On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> earths-gravity/>





--
Jim Whitby


HAIR TONICS, please!!
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Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive- that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- earths-gravity/>





--
Jim Whitby


HAIR TONICS, please!!
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jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> earths-gravity/>

I wouldn’t invest if I were you.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat->
earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

I wouldn�t invest if I were you.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

It's fun to look at older thedebrief miracles that, so far, haven't
happened.

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John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-> >>> that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat->

earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

There’s no gravity gravy train if it gets debunked on the first day.
What’s the use of that?

I wouldn’t invest if I were you.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

It's fun to look at older thedebrief miracles that, so far, haven't
happened.

I prefer to keep my briefs, thanks. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:53:35 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-

drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-

earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

I wouldn’t invest if I were you.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

It's fun to look at older thedebrief miracles that, so far, haven't
happened.

I don't have (and wouldn't anyway ) anything to invest.

You've answered my question. For that I say,
THANKS!

I'm sure that one day, sometime, it'll work.



--
Jim Whitby


I don't even call it violence when it's in self defense; I call it intelligence.
-- Malcolm X
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Jim Whitby


The past has no power to stop you from being present now. Only your
grievance about the past can do that.
- Eckhart Tolle
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--
Jim Whitby


The past has no power to stop you from being present now. Only your
grievance about the past can do that.
- Eckhart Tolle
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On 21/04/2024 01:47, jim whitby wrote:

I'm sure that one day, sometime, it'll work.

Powered by cold fusion, no doubt...

--
Jeff

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On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-> >>>> that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> >>>> earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

To avoid embarrassment when it doesn't actually work as claimed!

There’s no gravity gravy train if it gets debunked on the first day. What’s the use of that?

Surely it is yet another standard pump and dump models for dodgy fringe
science IPOs much like the LENR scams that have been around for decades.

Some genuine engineers who didn't properly understand the physics of
gyroscopes have famously announced their anti gravity machines.

Most notably one Eric Laithwaite who once gave the Royal Institution
Xmas Lectures in 1966 on magnetic levitation and linear motors before he
quite literally went off the rails in 1974.

https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/blog/gyroscope-engineer-and-christmas-lectures

Great communicator with the public but not very good at physics.

--
Martin Brown

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On 21/04/2024 5:16 pm, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:47, jim whitby wrote:

I'm sure that one day, sometime, it'll work.

Powered by cold fusion, no doubt...

I'm not sure that that is piling Pelion on Ossa. Anti-gravity is even
more unlikely than cold fusion.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:35:27 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

.<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive- that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

Vacuum to get rid of corona.

Space (orbit really) so tiny forces can be detected and measured.

A steady one G acceleration would be pretty impressive, and would
settle the issue.

To avoid embarrassment when it doesn't actually work as claimed!

There�s no gravity gravy train if it gets debunked on the first day.
What�s the use of that?

Surely it is yet another standard pump and dump models for dodgy fringe >science IPOs much like the LENR scams that have been around for decades.

Some genuine engineers who didn't properly understand the physics of >gyroscopes have famously announced their anti gravity machines.

Most notably one Eric Laithwaite who once gave the Royal Institution
Xmas Lectures in 1966 on magnetic levitation and linear motors before he >quite literally went off the rails in 1974.

<https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/blog/gyroscope-engineer-and-christmas-lectures>

Great communicator with the public but not very good at physics.

Yeah. Investment not recommended.

As for our asymmetrical capacitor fellow, there has to be some big
errors in the derivation. I watched part of his lecture, where he did
note that this force endured even when the HV was turned off, and that
it should therefore accelerate continuously. Which it doesn't,
despite his theory. He knew that this was a problem, but figured that
it was fixable. Hmm.

That fellow reminds me of the inventor I met, described in the SED
thread "Non-Inertial Navigation Technology" (July 2020). That company
still exists, and he still toils away. I don't know where the money
comes from.

Joe Gwinn

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Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:35:27 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

.<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

Vacuum to get rid of corona.

Space (orbit really) so tiny forces can be detected and measured.

A steady one G acceleration would be pretty impressive, and would
settle the issue.

To avoid embarrassment when it doesn't actually work as claimed!

There’s no gravity gravy train if it gets debunked on the first day.
What’s the use of that?

Surely it is yet another standard pump and dump models for dodgy fringe
science IPOs much like the LENR scams that have been around for decades.

Some genuine engineers who didn't properly understand the physics of
gyroscopes have famously announced their anti gravity machines.

Most notably one Eric Laithwaite who once gave the Royal Institution
Xmas Lectures in 1966 on magnetic levitation and linear motors before he
quite literally went off the rails in 1974.

<https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/blog/gyroscope-engineer-and-christmas-lectures>

Great communicator with the public but not very good at physics.

Yeah. Investment not recommended.

As for our asymmetrical capacitor fellow, there has to be some big
errors in the derivation. I watched part of his lecture, where he did
note that this force endured even when the HV was turned off, and that
it should therefore accelerate continuously. Which it doesn't,
despite his theory. He knew that this was a problem, but figured that
it was fixable. Hmm.

That fellow reminds me of the inventor I met, described in the SED
thread "Non-Inertial Navigation Technology" (July 2020). That company
still exists, and he still toils away. I don't know where the money
comes from.

Joe Gwinn

And then there was the Dean drive, which worked by rattling a mass back and forth inside a vehicle.

The tabletop demo went perfectly. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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On 4/20/2024 7:19 PM, jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive- that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- earths-gravity/>

Right month. Wrong day.
Ed

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 19:31:17 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:35:27 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

.<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-
earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it >>>>> need to be tested in space?

Vacuum to get rid of corona.

Space (orbit really) so tiny forces can be detected and measured.

A steady one G acceleration would be pretty impressive, and would
settle the issue.

To avoid embarrassment when it doesn't actually work as claimed!

There's no gravity gravy train if it gets debunked on the first day.
What?s the use of that?

Surely it is yet another standard pump and dump models for dodgy fringe
science IPOs much like the LENR scams that have been around for decades. >>>
Some genuine engineers who didn't properly understand the physics of
gyroscopes have famously announced their anti gravity machines.

Most notably one Eric Laithwaite who once gave the Royal Institution
Xmas Lectures in 1966 on magnetic levitation and linear motors before he >>> quite literally went off the rails in 1974.

<https://www.rigb.org/explore-science/explore/blog/gyroscope-engineer-and-christmas-lectures>

Great communicator with the public but not very good at physics.

Yeah. Investment not recommended.

As for our asymmetrical capacitor fellow, there has to be some big
errors in the derivation. I watched part of his lecture, where he did
note that this force endured even when the HV was turned off, and that
it should therefore accelerate continuously. Which it doesn't,
despite his theory. He knew that this was a problem, but figured that
it was fixable. Hmm.

That fellow reminds me of the inventor I met, described in the SED
thread "Non-Inertial Navigation Technology" (July 2020). That company
still exists, and he still toils away. I don't know where the money
comes from.

Joe Gwinn

And then there was the Dean drive, which worked by rattling a mass back and >forth inside a vehicle.

The tabletop demo went perfectly. ;)

Yeah, I remember that story. I bet that if one simply suspended the
dean drive assembly from a rafter using a long spring, no net motion
would be seen.

I will say that with Non-Inertial Navigation, after talking with the
inventor on a video conference, my instinct was that he was sincere
but misguided.

After watching the asymmetrical capacitor video presentation, my
instinct is that the inventor is a complete huckster, and does know
better, as I watched him deftly include everything likely to impress
the relevant audience, up to and including perpetual motion, free
energy, and alien technology. But no warp drive.

As for Dean, I have no idea, but tend towards pure huckster.

Joe Gwinn

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:20:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:35:27 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

.<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive- >that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- >earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

Vacuum to get rid of corona.

So the failure can be blamed on the Farnsworth multipactor effect.

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On 21/04/2024 00:27, jim whitby wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> earths-gravity/>

Powered by an inexhaustible supply of flying pigs this invention will revolutionise world transport and sales of heavy duty umbrellas!

--
Martin Brown

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On 21/04/2024 16:20, Joe Gwinn wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:35:27 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

.<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it
need to be tested in space?

Vacuum to get rid of corona.

There are space vehicle qualifying hard vacuum facilities on the ground.
If this thing can generate 1g it could levitate inside there.

Space (orbit really) so tiny forces can be detected and measured.

The guy claims 1g acceleration. 1g of continuous acceleration is enough
to reach the centre of our galaxy in about 20 years if memory serves.

A steady one G acceleration would be pretty impressive, and would
settle the issue.

I might believe 1 G (as in the gravitational constant ie thermal noise)
but not 1g acceleration due to gravity at the Earth's surface.

That fellow reminds me of the inventor I met, described in the SED
thread "Non-Inertial Navigation Technology" (July 2020). That company
still exists, and he still toils away. I don't know where the money
comes from.

As always from gullible suckers with more money than sense. The most
successful recent high profile scam took in a lot of experienced
investors who should have known better or employed people who did.
Elizabeth Holmes at Theranos managed to almost pull it off too.

https://news.sky.com/story/elizabeth-holmes-former-chief-executive-of-blood-testing-startup-theranos-found-guilty-of-fraud-12508609

But if you want a real example of how to do it big time then the
vanishing OneCoin crypto queen has to be it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-64407723 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/cryptoqueen-ruja-ignatova-fugitive-greenwood-b2414415.html

A successful $4bn scam is very impressive! FOMO drives these bubbles.

--
Martin Brown

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:06:19 -0700, John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:20:53 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:35:27 +0100, Martin Brown >><'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/2024 01:11, Phil Hobbs wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:31:19 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

.<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat- >>earths-gravity/>

Then it should float in mid-air, or accelerate upward. So why does it >>>>> need to be tested in space?

Vacuum to get rid of corona.

So the failure can be blamed on the Farnsworth multipactor effect.

I suppose so, but he was talking of corona in much higher air
pressures than multipactors require. Think corona as seen around HV
lines.

Joe Gwinn

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On 4/22/24 02:20, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2024 00:27, jim whitby wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat->
earths-gravity/>

Powered by an inexhaustible supply of flying pigs this invention will revolutionise world transport and sales of heavy duty umbrellas!

Oh no, think of the methane emissions! Well if it gets hot enough, it
will be bacon from the sky, not manna...

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:12:32 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

On 4/22/24 02:20, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2024 00:27, jim whitby wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-> >>> that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat->

earths-gravity/>

Powered by an inexhaustible supply of flying pigs this invention will
revolutionise world transport and sales of heavy duty umbrellas!

Oh no, think of the methane emissions! Well if it gets hot enough, it
will be bacon from the sky, not manna...

What is manna? Our Safeway doesn't seem to have it.

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On 22/04/2024 13:07, Martin Brown wrote:

The guy claims 1g acceleration. 1g of continuous acceleration is enough
to reach the centre of our galaxy in about 20 years if memory serves.

20 years?! I think there's a "k" missing. According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun's_location_and_neighborhood>,
the sun is 26 - 27 kly from the centre of the galaxy.

Or are you proposing FTL speeds?

--
Jeff

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On 21/04/2024 00:31, Phil Hobbs wrote:

jim whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive->

that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat->
earths-gravity/>

I wouldn’t invest if I were you.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Gravitational repulsion is easy. The hard bit is reversing time.

--
Cheers
Clive

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John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:12:32 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

On 4/22/24 02:20, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2024 00:27, jim whitby wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-> >>>> that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> >>>> earths-gravity/>

Powered by an inexhaustible supply of flying pigs this invention will
revolutionise world transport and sales of heavy duty umbrellas!

Oh no, think of the methane emissions! Well if it gets hot enough, it
will be bacon from the sky, not manna...

What is manna? Our Safeway doesn't seem to have it.

Exactly. (*)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) “manna” translates as “what is it?”

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 21:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:12:32 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

On 4/22/24 02:20, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2024 00:27, jim whitby wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-> >>>>> that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> >>>>> earths-gravity/>

Powered by an inexhaustible supply of flying pigs this invention will
revolutionise world transport and sales of heavy duty umbrellas!

Oh no, think of the methane emissions! Well if it gets hot enough, it
will be bacon from the sky, not manna...

What is manna? Our Safeway doesn't seem to have it.

Exactly. (*)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) �manna� translates as �what is it?�

I did find New Orleans CDM Coffee and Chicory in the Asian foods
section at our Safeway. Mo loves it.

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On 22/04/2024 22:20, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 22/04/2024 13:07, Martin Brown wrote:

The guy claims 1g acceleration. 1g of continuous acceleration is enough
to reach the centre of our galaxy in about 20 years if memory serves.

20 years?! I think there's a "k" missing. According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun's_location_and_neighborhood>, the sun is 26 - 27 kly from the centre of the galaxy.

Or are you proposing FTL speeds?

20 years in the rest frame of the individual travelling there with
continuous acceleration of 1g.

Obviously the stay at home twin will be long dead by then.

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Martin Brown

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On 22/04/2024 20:20, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:12:32 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

On 4/22/24 02:20, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2024 00:27, jim whitby wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:19:30 -0000 (UTC), jim whitby wrote:

Looking for opinion of persons better educatrd than myself.

I do know how to spell... most of the time. educatded

<https://thedebrief.org/nasa-veterans-propellantless-propulsion-drive-> >>>> that-physics-says-shouldnt-work-just-produced-enough-thrust-to-defeat-> >>>> earths-gravity/>

Powered by an inexhaustible supply of flying pigs this invention will
revolutionise world transport and sales of heavy duty umbrellas!

Oh no, think of the methane emissions! Well if it gets hot enough, it
will be bacon from the sky, not manna...

What is manna? Our Safeway doesn't seem to have it.

Probably mealy bug or scale insect excreta.
Desert equivalent of honeydew from aphids.

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Martin Brown

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On a sunny day (Tue, 23 Apr 2024 09:59:13 +0100) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <v07t91$1hhhe$1@dont-email.me>:

On 22/04/2024 22:20, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 22/04/2024 13:07, Martin Brown wrote:

The guy claims 1g acceleration. 1g of continuous acceleration is enough
to reach the centre of our galaxy in about 20 years if memory serves.

20 years?! I think there's a "k" missing. According to
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun's_location_and_neighborhood>, the sun is 26 - 27 kly from the centre of the
galaxy.

Or are you proposing FTL speeds?

20 years in the rest frame of the individual travelling there with
continuous acceleration of 1g.

Obviously the stay at home twin will be long dead by then.

I think that whole relatitvitty shit is wrong
Onestone likely got this from his wife it seems she was a mamatician

Without a mechanism it is all mamamatical crap.
Just like Ohm's law without electrons.
Broke down in a bad way when Fleming came up with a current in a vacuum tube.

Onestone is the hero of the jewish genocide committing club.
A bunch of brainwashed kids that are now brainwashing science.

In a Le Sage theory if you go ever faster at one point the particles from behind have zero speed
and the ones you face in front hit you with double light speed.
That leads to assymetry in 3 D (even in 2D)
and to state clocks / time changes in the way relatitvitty math says it does, is wrong.

Your nose gets shorter and your ears keep the same distance from each other? Seems to me things cancel to a point, past lightspeed it get even more interesting.
Come on, ditch Onestone and try reasoning from a particle POV for a change.

Spectral spreading! Electron orbits not round but flattened in one direction... Simple

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PS
as to all that stuff, if you want a simple example of how 'length contraction' works:
Take a balloon, fill it with some air.
hold it in your hand, now push it forward fast
It will get flattened by the air pressure, BUT will also get wider (air must go somewhere)

Space is NOT empty.,
Searches for 'dark matter',. while Le Sage has it and predicts all we see.
Same for galaxies, crap about Modified Newtonian Dynamics
while the galaxy arms as NOT in orbit
Some thing spitting out 2 opposite arms and rotating,
that forms the galaxy arms, again not in empty space
but space filled with Le Sage particles that than compress stuff into stars etc..
Like a garden sprinkler in air.

Get a life idiots
How Long Will It take For The Blind to See?

Brain dead hammered club by their teachers and peers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrxX9TBj2zY
Mamaticians doing divide by zero and selling it as the ultimate fishsicks truth.

There is an other interesting thing about length contraction in a Le Sage model When moving forward faster you get increasing pressure from the LS particles coming at you
and less from the ones coming from behind you, but past light speed you overtake the ones behind you and face extra pressure from those..
:-)

maaz
who needs it.
hehe :-)

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On 24/04/2024 06:19, Jan Panteltje wrote:

PS
as to all that stuff, if you want a simple example of how 'length contraction' works:
Take a balloon, fill it with some air.
hold it in your hand, now push it forward fast
It will get flattened by the air pressure, BUT will also get wider (air must go somewhere)

This is exactly why mathematics is used to describe science. It is way
to easy to concoct some handwaving non-quantitative sounds right to me
cock and bull story and use sophistry to sell it to the credulous.

Space is NOT empty.,

On that we can agree. It is a very thin plasma of ordinary matter with a smattering of virtual particles hopping in and out of existence on
borrowed energy from the quantum mechanics uncertainty principle. The
Casimir effect was measured back in 1997 to within 5% of the prediction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

Natural language is not adequate for discussing these topics. The
equations are clear and unambiguous even if you refuse to accept them.


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Martin Brown

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On a sunny day (Wed, 24 Apr 2024 11:04:01 +0100) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <v0aleh$28j7f$1@dont-email.me>:

On 24/04/2024 06:19, Jan Panteltje wrote:

PS
as to all that stuff, if you want a simple example of how 'length contraction' works:
Take a balloon, fill it with some air.
hold it in your hand, now push it forward fast
It will get flattened by the air pressure, BUT will also get wider (air must go somewhere)

This is exactly why mathematics is used to describe science. It is way
to easy to concoct some handwaving non-quantitative sounds right to me
cock and bull story and use sophistry to sell it to the credulous.

Simple example, simple experiment, simple conclusion
If that is too much for you then keep dreaming up numbers.

Space is NOT empty.,

On that we can agree. It is a very thin plasma of ordinary matter with a >smattering of virtual particles hopping in and out of existence on
borrowed energy from the quantum mechanics uncertainty principle. The
Casimir effect was measured back in 1997 to within 5% of the prediction.

I hope you see that does away with reality.
Neurons hopping in an out of existence?
Virtual particles? Oh man, you mean you did dream them up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

Natural language is not adequate for discussing these topics.

Rule is simple:
'If you cannot describe your theory on a simple A4 format piece of paper it is likely crap.'

The equations are clear and unambiguous even if you refuse to accept them.

You can write equations for anything, those will NEVER describe nature in all detail.
Parroting Albert stonecounter is a dead end road, and has been for a long time. His vote-on particle is crap :-)

Do not see that as personal attack.
Maaz is just about quantities for those who have not the neural net programmed to see beyond say 'abstractions'.


mamaticians claim anything
The guy who did see the lid of the kettle move when it was heated and decided to make it move some wheel did give us the steam engine
Not the endless mamamatics that came later.

I have a nice every day explanation for quantum action at a distance too...

SEE what happens, Connect what happens.
Forget the endless brainwash..

Math is just a game played by a small subset of neurons in the brain.

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