• MIT 3D printed key components of mass-spectrometer

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 8 04:47:04 2024
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass spectrometer
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable, in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Apr 8 10:23:24 2024
    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass spectrometer
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable, in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to move
    freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the sample
    into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation if
    your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are really
    messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples (I
    suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence somehow).

    --
    Martin Brown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Mon Apr 8 07:28:16 2024
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:23:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass spectrometer
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable, in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to move >freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the sample
    into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation if
    your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are really
    messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples (I >suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence somehow).

    I'd expect 3D printed stuff to outgas forever.

    3D is super slow, too. I've heard of modestly complex parts taking
    days to fab. The upside is that it can make things that are impossible
    to machine or mold.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Apr 8 10:49:34 2024
    On 2024-04-08 10:28, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:23:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass spectrometer >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable, in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to move
    freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the sample
    into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation if
    your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are really
    messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples (I
    suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence somehow).

    I'd expect 3D printed stuff to outgas forever.

    3D is super slow, too. I've heard of modestly complex parts taking
    days to fab. The upside is that it can make things that are impossible
    to machine or mold.

    3D resin printers are super cheap nowadays, and can do beautiful things.
    They're basically contact printers made with 8k display LCDs and UV
    LEDs, and give you nice repeatable 17-micron voxels.

    It doesn't matter so much that something takes a day to print, if you
    can have a shelf full of printers for $2k.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Tue Apr 9 01:17:21 2024
    On 9/04/2024 12:28 am, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:23:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass spectrometer >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable, in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to move
    freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the sample
    into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation if
    your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are really
    messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples (I
    suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence somehow).

    I'd expect 3D printed stuff to outgas forever.

    It wouldn't be much use in a mass spectrometer if it did.
    Out-gassing vaccuum systems always involves getting them hot for quite a
    while and pumping them hard. Maybe you have to laser fuse a thin layer
    over the entire surface while maintaining a high vaccuum.

    3D is super slow, too. I've heard of modestly complex parts taking
    days to fab. The upside is that it can make things that are impossible
    to machine or mold.

    As Phil Hobbs says, the printers are cheap so you can put a lot in
    parallel. The post-processing to get the outgassing down might not be so
    easily paralleled.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Glen Walpert@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Tue Apr 9 00:21:43 2024
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:49:34 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:

    On 2024-04-08 10:28, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:23:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass
    spectrometer
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass
    spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable,
    in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to
    move freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the
    sample into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't
    go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation
    if your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are
    really messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples
    (I suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence
    somehow).

    I'd expect 3D printed stuff to outgas forever.

    3D is super slow, too. I've heard of modestly complex parts taking days
    to fab. The upside is that it can make things that are impossible to
    machine or mold.

    3D resin printers are super cheap nowadays, and can do beautiful things.
    They're basically contact printers made with 8k display LCDs and UV
    LEDs, and give you nice repeatable 17-micron voxels.

    It doesn't matter so much that something takes a day to print, if you
    can have a shelf full of printers for $2k.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Not all 3D printers use resin, for instance:

    <https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/nasa-tests-3-d-printed-rocket-part- to-reduce-future-sls-engine-costs/>

    This isn't the first 3D printed part in the RS-25 engine (evolved from the SSME), just the largest so far. The printer for beach-ball size titanium
    parts might cost a bit more than $2k and probably won't fit on a shelf,
    but I bet those helium-tight components don't outgas much :-).

    (I did the detail, process and tooling designs for the HP oxidizer
    turbopump shaft seals for the original SSME ~1980, per proposal design and design rules by the late Dr. Philip Stein, PhD in metallurgy from MIT 1927 IIRC. LOX on one side, hot H2 and steam on the other, lube oil mist and bearings in between, ~28k RPM shaft with play and significant thermal
    movement, engines shut down automatically if either seal fails. So I
    check now and then to make sure none of my parts have failed :-).

    Glen

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Glen Walpert on Tue Apr 9 00:38:59 2024
    Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void> wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:49:34 -0400, Phil Hobbs wrote:

    On 2024-04-08 10:28, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:23:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass
    spectrometer
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass >>>>> spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable,
    in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to
    move freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the
    sample into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't >>>> go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation
    if your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are
    really messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples
    (I suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence
    somehow).

    I'd expect 3D printed stuff to outgas forever.

    3D is super slow, too. I've heard of modestly complex parts taking days
    to fab. The upside is that it can make things that are impossible to
    machine or mold.

    3D resin printers are super cheap nowadays, and can do beautiful things.
    They're basically contact printers made with 8k display LCDs and UV
    LEDs, and give you nice repeatable 17-micron voxels.

    It doesn't matter so much that something takes a day to print, if you
    can have a shelf full of printers for $2k.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Not all 3D printers use resin, for instance:

    <https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/nasa-tests-3-d-printed-rocket-part- to-reduce-future-sls-engine-costs/>

    This isn't the first 3D printed part in the RS-25 engine (evolved from the SSME), just the largest so far. The printer for beach-ball size titanium parts might cost a bit more than $2k and probably won't fit on a shelf,
    but I bet those helium-tight components don't outgas much :-).


    Fun. The resin printers start at around $100, though. I’m very willing to trade off the ability to print titanium for that. ;)

    (I did the detail, process and tooling designs for the HP oxidizer
    turbopump shaft seals for the original SSME ~1980, per proposal design and design rules by the late Dr. Philip Stein, PhD in metallurgy from MIT 1927 IIRC. LOX on one side, hot H2 and steam on the other, lube oil mist and bearings in between, ~28k RPM shaft with play and significant thermal movement, engines shut down automatically if either seal fails. So I
    check now and then to make sure none of my parts have failed :-).

    An excellent idea.
    I do the same with my body parts. ;)

    Glen



    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Tue Apr 9 12:47:38 2024
    On 08/04/2024 15:28, John Larkin wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 10:23:24 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 08/04/2024 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Researchers 3D print key components for a point-of-care mass spectrometer >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/04/240404113429.htm
    pdf:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jasms.3c00409

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    Summary:
    Researchers 3D printed a miniature ionizer, a key component of a mass spectrometer. Their device could someday enable an affordable, in-home mass spectrometer for health monitoring.

    It is complete nonsense. Making the hard vacuum needed for ions to move
    freely in mass spectrometry and sample handling to introduce the sample
    into the unit without losing vacuum are fundamentals that won't go away.

    The closest to a quick dirt cheap MS is time of flight laser ablation if
    your sample is a solid or can be put on one. Liquid samples are really
    messy and water vapour is the bane of vacuum systems.

    Selective ion probes offer a much better alternative for bio samples (I
    suppose the MIT PR department has to justify its existence somehow).

    I'd expect 3D printed stuff to outgas forever.

    Some of the exotic very crosslinked UV polymers from resin baths might
    not outgas but the sintered stuff would be very problematic. Using 3D
    printing for a variant of lost wax metal casting would be OK though.

    Back when I was involved the only polymers allowed in hard vacuum were
    PTFE (which creeps) and PEEK (which is a good engineering plastic).
    Nothing else could stand up to the aggressive baking procedures needed
    to dry them out to hard vacuum.

    3D is super slow, too. I've heard of modestly complex parts taking
    days to fab. The upside is that it can make things that are impossible
    to machine or mold.

    My favourite toy demo on 3D printers is a digital sundial which shows
    the time in a 7 segment style display with 10 minute resolution.
    Adjusting it for summertime is a trivial rotation.

    --
    Martin Brown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)