• State of the Art engineering

    From Don Y@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 29 18:29:07 2024
    A friend brought me a laptop that is beeping, annoyingly
    (like set volume to max). Continuously.

    Google tells me this means "CMOS battery failure".

    Wow! What idiot engineer thought this was such a significant
    event that the laptop should beep FOREVER (before and after
    boot) instead of just:
    "CMOS battery failure; Press F1 to continue"
    If having the correct time is so important, perhaps he
    should have inhibited the boot process UNTIL the battery
    had been replaced! Wouldn't want some poor slob to
    have to work with a laptop that is displaying the wrong time!

    OK, cheap laptop so lets see how to get it apart:
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrPQDtoniA>

    TL;DR... completely disassemble the laptop to EXPOSE
    the battery for replacement. Likely the same idiot
    engineer who decided it should beep endlessly ALSO
    decided to locate the battery in such a place that
    it can only be accessed by complete disassembly
    (even though a little "access opening" BEHIND the
    removable service panel would have done the trick!

    Um, no.

    "Sorry, Bob. I don't plan on spending an hour just
    to replace a disposable battery! Maybe you can
    find the speaker wires and CUT those!"

    [Or, cut a hole through the case plastic so the
    battery IS exposed!]

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Apr 6 09:16:18 2024
    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
    A friend brought me a laptop that is beeping, annoyingly
    (like set volume to max). Continuously.

    Google tells me this means "CMOS battery failure".

    Wow! What idiot engineer thought this was such a significant
    event that the laptop should beep FOREVER (before and after
    boot) instead of just:
    "CMOS battery failure; Press F1 to continue"
    If having the correct time is so important, perhaps he
    should have inhibited the boot process UNTIL the battery
    had been replaced! Wouldn't want some poor slob to
    have to work with a laptop that is displaying the wrong time!

    There are some laptops that get their BIOS settings so wacky once
    the battery gets low that they become unstable and have weird
    crashes or boot errors. Thinkpads had that trouble (both IBM and
    Lenovo), a seemingly obvious hardware failure was actually just a
    dead battery. But at least IBM Thinkpads made them a pretty quick
    and easy job to replace.

    Once the BIOS has detected it though, it should be able to reset
    to sane defaults. The beeping is usually for when the CPU can't
    run (faulty RAM, etc.) and therefore can't display the errors on
    screen, so my guess would be that there's a bug in the BIOS code
    that triggered the wrong error reporting mode. Or maybe they were
    too lazy to have more than one error reporting mode.

    The real question is why manufacturers didn't switch to using
    rechargable batteries for this. Some laptop makers did in the 90s,
    but the trend reversed by the 2000s. For laptops as recent as the
    one in the video they could've used flash for the settings and a
    supercap to keep the time for the rare periods when the battery is
    removed or completely discharged. I suspect planned obsolescence.

    OK, cheap laptop so lets see how to get it apart:
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrPQDtoniA>

    TL;DR... completely disassemble the laptop to EXPOSE
    the battery for replacement. Likely the same idiot
    engineer who decided it should beep endlessly ALSO
    decided to locate the battery in such a place that
    it can only be accessed by complete disassembly
    (even though a little "access opening" BEHIND the
    removable service panel would have done the trick!

    Yes it's amazing how well some manufacturers burry the damn things.
    Sometimes there _is_ a service opening to the bottom of the laptop
    motherboard to access the RAM, but they decided not to make the
    battery accessible from there, so you have to pull out everything
    to access it from the top down. Again I suspect planned
    obsolescence.

    Um, no.

    "Sorry, Bob. I don't plan on spending an hour just
    to replace a disposable battery! Maybe you can
    find the speaker wires and CUT those!"

    That's a shame. I actually quite like replacing those batteries in
    laptops. It is also a good opportunity to clean it out and check
    for corroded connections. I bought a small tray of solder-tab
    CR2032s and I'm getting near the end of them now.

    Mind you I prefer to do it on laptops of my own, that I want to use
    or sell on Ebay, because it can be very hard to get some of the
    clip-together cases apart without visibly damaging them. Especially
    those where the manufacturers keep their service manuals top
    secret.

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