On 3/25/2024 12:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16

Bizarre, when I clicked on it said I had bought it at one time, I did
several years back for the lab PC. Definitely didn't pay that for it, it
was maybe $40.

Garbage keyboard, it started mis-firing within about 8 months and the
key-caps are very difficult to remove without breaking them. All of my
$4.99 surplus HP keyboards from the Goodwill have lasted way longer.

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16

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On 3/25/2024 1:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:04:40 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/25/2024 12:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16

Bizarre, when I clicked on it said I had bought it at one time, I did
several years back for the lab PC. Definitely didn't pay that for it, it
was maybe $40.

Garbage keyboard, it started mis-firing within about 8 months and the
key-caps are very difficult to remove without breaking them. All of my
$4.99 surplus HP keyboards from the Goodwill have lasted way longer.

I'm typing on one now. It's OK. I definitely didn't pay $400 for it. I
need two new keyboards, but not Logitech.

I think some people (Amazon, ebay, Digikey) have some insanely priced
stuff, assuming that someone will buy them for some reason.

<https://www.amazon.com/NTE-ELECTRONICS-NTE27-TRANSISTOR-BJT/dp/B011OWMO1U/>

I do like to remove keycaps and add some glue or something to disable
them. Caps lock, insert.

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:04:40 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/25/2024 12:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16

Bizarre, when I clicked on it said I had bought it at one time, I did
several years back for the lab PC. Definitely didn't pay that for it, it
was maybe $40.

Garbage keyboard, it started mis-firing within about 8 months and the >key-caps are very difficult to remove without breaking them. All of my
$4.99 surplus HP keyboards from the Goodwill have lasted way longer.

I'm typing on one now. It's OK. I definitely didn't pay $400 for it. I
need two new keyboards, but not Logitech.

I think some people (Amazon, ebay, Digikey) have some insanely priced
stuff, assuming that someone will buy them for some reason.

I do like to remove keycaps and add some glue or something to disable
them. Caps lock, insert.

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:29:37 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/25/2024 1:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:04:40 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/25/2024 12:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16

Bizarre, when I clicked on it said I had bought it at one time, I did
several years back for the lab PC. Definitely didn't pay that for it, it >>> was maybe $40.

Garbage keyboard, it started mis-firing within about 8 months and the
key-caps are very difficult to remove without breaking them. All of my
$4.99 surplus HP keyboards from the Goodwill have lasted way longer.

I'm typing on one now. It's OK. I definitely didn't pay $400 for it. I
need two new keyboards, but not Logitech.

I think some people (Amazon, ebay, Digikey) have some insanely priced
stuff, assuming that someone will buy them for some reason.

<https://www.amazon.com/NTE-ELECTRONICS-NTE27-TRANSISTOR-BJT/dp/B011OWMO1U/>

I do like to remove keycaps and add some glue or something to disable
them. Caps lock, insert.

On the other hand,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWCFH57N

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On 3/25/2024 19:20, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 13:04:40 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 3/25/2024 12:59 PM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16

Bizarre, when I clicked on it said I had bought it at one time, I did
several years back for the lab PC. Definitely didn't pay that for it, it
was maybe $40.

Garbage keyboard, it started mis-firing within about 8 months and the
key-caps are very difficult to remove without breaking them. All of my
$4.99 surplus HP keyboards from the Goodwill have lasted way longer.

I'm typing on one now. It's OK. I definitely didn't pay $400 for it. I
need two new keyboards, but not Logitech.

I think some people (Amazon, ebay, Digikey) have some insanely priced
stuff, assuming that someone will buy them for some reason.

I do like to remove keycaps and add some glue or something to disable
them. Caps lock, insert.

I got this one about a year ago. Only tested (not in everyday use yet)
but feels as good as it could feel.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001377016222.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.124.3fcb1802RILlAS

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On John Larkin wrote:

On the other hand,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWCFH57N

Do you actually use protoboard like this? I usually went directly to PCBs.
If I used protoboard, I would use the no copper perfboard and just bend
leads and use jumper wire. The copper on the boards just got in the way.
For surface mount I liked the 'surfboards' without the leads. Double stick
tape them to copper clad and use that as a ground plane. I always believed
I could of designed the surfboards better. For one, they should have had
copper clad on the back so I could use that as the power plane and then
double stick tape it to the ground plane.

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On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 11:52:43, Wanderer<dont@emailme.com> wrote:

On John Larkin wrote:

On the other hand,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWCFH57N

But I was impressed by the price.

Do you actually use protoboard like this?

No. It's ugly and confusing. I dremel copperclad and use surface-mount adapters, or quick-turn 4-layer PCBs.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k41hgzd9j20ucey/Z482_PCB_Top.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2uoeruouhcoz6al/Z482_Can.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yur6uuhytc7cfcn/D200_BB_4.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5nlhqy7c8mt2xv3/LDP2.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zaftysxtgclxj82/Z412_Proto.JPG?raw=1

I usually went directly to PCBs.
If I used protoboard, I would use the no copper perfboard and just bend
leads and use jumper wire. The copper on the boards just got in the way.
For surface mount I liked the 'surfboards' without the leads. Double stick >tape them to copper clad and use that as a ground plane. I always believed
I could of designed the surfboards better. For one, they should have had >copper clad on the back so I could use that as the power plane and then >double stick tape it to the ground plane.

I had a few square feet of copperclad gold plated both sides. I shear
it up into rectangles to make protos. It's beautiful.

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