• OT: More Nails in the Global Warming Scam's Coffin

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 22 23:14:18 2024
    XPost: uk.diy

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous
    notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Fri Mar 22 20:40:07 2024
    XPost: uk.diy

    On 3/22/2024 7:14 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x


    "[Martin Durkin] is a libertarian and was formerly connected to the now
    defunct Revolutionary Communist Party"

    Ah, the red to brown pipeline, I believe it's called.

    Probably part of why the question as usually posed is "Are you, _or have
    you ever been_, a member of the Communist party?"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Mar 23 12:57:30 2024
    XPost: uk.diy

    On 23/03/2024 10:14 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    The actual climate change scam is the proposition that it isn't
    happening, and the scammers are the fossil carbon extraction industry,
    who want to keep on selling as much of the stuff as they can for as long
    as possible.

    Cursitor Doom may be being subsidised by the Heartlands Institute or one
    of the other merchants of doubt who were set up to cast doubt on
    inconvenient scientific facts, but it's more likely that he is just
    letting his enthusiasm for grossly implausible conspiracy theories run
    away with him.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 23 10:45:43 2024
    XPost: uk.diy

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the
    message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    I see tons of Teslas in San Francisco. It reminds me of the Miata
    infestation. Up here in the mountains, at a mere 7000 feet and 20
    degees F, I have seen none so far this trip.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sat Mar 23 20:43:15 2024
    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their
    support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights
    ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had
    reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so
    it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by comparison.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sat Mar 23 20:33:31 2024
    XPost: uk.diy

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:45:43 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >>ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    I see tons of Teslas in San Francisco. It reminds me of the Miata >infestation. Up here in the mountains, at a mere 7000 feet and 20
    degees F, I have seen none so far this trip.

    There does seem to be some return to sanity. BMW have said they're
    dropping their plans to go all-electric and will continue to develop
    new ICE cars. That is wonderful news and something we really *should*
    be celebrating, rather than some old nonsense about women getting
    better paid jobs.
    Fred Bloggs - are you paying attention?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Mar 23 21:23:24 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous
    notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the
    message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights
    ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so
    it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by >comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from
    all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Mar 23 18:00:53 2024
    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the
    message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their
    support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out
    timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights
    ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had
    reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the
    difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so
    it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by
    comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from
    all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!"
    owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    <https://www.instagram.com/krazykarens2020/reel/C4mb8m3LLO8/>

    I expect they're going to take a heart-warming bath, alright. "Them
    dirty poors are stealing our hard-earned money! Taxation is theft by the
    state! Ack here comes the sea, come save us mommy state! Glub, glub,
    glub..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Mar 23 16:14:12 2024
    On 3/23/2024 3:00 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" owners
    of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to pitch in to save
    their property from the rising sea:

    <https://www.instagram.com/krazykarens2020/reel/C4mb8m3LLO8/>

    I expect they're going to take a heart-warming bath, alright. "Them dirty poors
    are stealing our hard-earned money! Taxation is theft by the state! Ack here comes the sea, come save us mommy state! Glub, glub, glub..."

    I suspect even the farmers in the flyover states are starting to realize
    that their primary asset (acreage) can't be relocated if the local climate makes it "unproductive" ("Hey! Let's put up a WINDFARM!!")

    [Latest surveys continue to show increasing (US) belief in climate change... the differences seem to be who/how to deal with it: "MY assets should be protected but why should *I* have to bear that cost?"]

    Disney will be the Florida property to watch. Far enough from the coast to
    not be immediately threatened (and, able -- at some expense -- to move
    their "attractions" elsewhere) yet likely keenly aware that the long
    term play doesn't seem to be to remain in place...

    Insurers (folks whose money is where their mouth is) have already made
    that decision!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Mar 23 16:53:17 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their
    support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out
    timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights
    ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had
    reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the
    difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so
    it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by
    comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from
    all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Mar 23 16:16:09 2024
    On 3/23/2024 1:43 PM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights
    ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so
    it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by comparison.

    Considerably easier to machine a casting than to design and manufacture
    hi-tech electronic components and software systems.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sat Mar 23 22:07:28 2024
    On 3/23/2024 7:53 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be >>>>>> shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >>>> support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >>>> timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights >>>> ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >>>> reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >>>> difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so >>>> it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by
    comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from
    all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!"
    owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!


    The sea seems to be coming in their front doors regardless, it seems
    immune to right-wing talking points! Have they tried shouting at it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Sat Mar 23 18:31:25 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:14:12 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 3:00 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" owners
    of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to pitch in to save
    their property from the rising sea:

    <https://www.instagram.com/krazykarens2020/reel/C4mb8m3LLO8/>

    I expect they're going to take a heart-warming bath, alright. "Them dirty poors
    are stealing our hard-earned money! Taxation is theft by the state! Ack here >> comes the sea, come save us mommy state! Glub, glub, glub..."

    I suspect even the farmers in the flyover states are starting to realize
    that their primary asset (acreage) can't be relocated if the local climate >makes it "unproductive" ("Hey! Let's put up a WINDFARM!!")

    https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/fig1.jpeg

    This pattern extends over many crops and many countries.


    [Latest surveys continue to show increasing (US) belief in climate change... >the differences seem to be who/how to deal with it: "MY assets should be >protected but why should *I* have to bear that cost?"]

    Disney will be the Florida property to watch. Far enough from the coast to >not be immediately threatened (and, able -- at some expense -- to move
    their "attractions" elsewhere) yet likely keenly aware that the long
    term play doesn't seem to be to remain in place...

    Disney World is about 160 feet above sea level. At the current sea
    level rise, it will get wet in about 20,000 years. But of course,
    we'll have another ice age well before that, and sea level will drop.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Mar 23 19:32:07 2024
    On 3/23/2024 7:07 PM, bitrex wrote:
    The sea seems to be coming in their front doors regardless, it seems immune to
    right-wing talking points! Have they tried shouting at it?

    Ah! So THAT's the obsession with firearms! All this
    "self protection" is just a red herring to hide their
    TRUE FEARS! :>

    We're 100+ miles from the nearest "large body of water".
    And, some 2500 ft above sea level.
    And, live in a desert.

    Yet, there's a fair bit of real estate that no longer
    exists just a few blocks from where I sit (it's on a
    long trek out to sea).

    Insurers don't care about "long term" beyond the predictive
    value for NEXT year's profits.

    "Don't worry, stockholders. We expect to be losing money
    due to excessive claims for the next N years as we are in a
    'solar cycle'. But, rest assured that we will return to
    profitability thereafter!"

    I wonder how many california homeowners have had their
    cliff-side homes washed away despite NOT having ocean-front
    properties?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Mar 24 14:33:45 2024
    On 24/03/2024 8:23 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the
    message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their
    support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out
    timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights
    ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had
    reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the
    difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so
    it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by
    comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from
    all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Cursitor Doom hasn't noticed that electricity is a cheaper fuel than
    gasoline. Anybody who buys an electric car is going to keep on
    benefiting from paying less for each mile travelled.

    Of course the main cost of keeping a car is depreciation on the sum
    invested in buying the car, and it's too soon to say how that is going
    to pan out. Electric motors do last better than internal combustion
    engines, but batteries age faster than fuel tanks.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to blockedofcourse@foo.invalid on Sat Mar 23 20:23:21 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:32:07 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 7:07 PM, bitrex wrote:
    The sea seems to be coming in their front doors regardless, it seems immune to
    right-wing talking points! Have they tried shouting at it?

    Ah! So THAT's the obsession with firearms! All this
    "self protection" is just a red herring to hide their
    TRUE FEARS! :>

    We're 100+ miles from the nearest "large body of water".
    And, some 2500 ft above sea level.
    And, live in a desert.

    Yet, there's a fair bit of real estate that no longer
    exists just a few blocks from where I sit (it's on a
    long trek out to sea).

    Insurers don't care about "long term" beyond the predictive
    value for NEXT year's profits.

    "Don't worry, stockholders. We expect to be losing money
    due to excessive claims for the next N years as we are in a
    'solar cycle'. But, rest assured that we will return to
    profitability thereafter!"

    I wonder how many california homeowners have had their
    cliff-side homes washed away despite NOT having ocean-front
    properties?

    Check Youtube for Pacifica Drone

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Mar 24 14:24:38 2024
    XPost: uk.diy

    On 24/03/2024 4:45 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous
    notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be
    shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    When it manifests itself as extreme weather, people stop being bored.
    Record floods have a way of capturing the attention.

    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    The numbers sold may be rising less rapidly. but they still seem to be
    going up,

    https://www.ev-volumes.com/

    I see tons of Teslas in San Francisco. It reminds me of the Miata infestation. Up here in the mountains, at a mere 7000 feet and 20
    degees F, I have seen none so far this trip.

    You've also seen a lot fewer cars.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sat Mar 23 20:21:39 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 22:07:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 7:53 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >>>>>>> ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>>>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be >>>>>>> shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >>>>> support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >>>>> timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how* >>>>> they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights >>>>> ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >>>>> reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford >>>>> factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >>>>> difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so >>>>> it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by >>>>> comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from >>>> all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >>> owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!


    The sea seems to be coming in their front doors regardless, it seems
    immune to right-wing talking points! Have they tried shouting at it?

    When you build a house on a beach in hurricane territory, it helps to
    have cheap federal flood insurance.

    Some really bad floods were the great Galveston storm of 1900 and the
    giant nor-easter in New England in 1938. Both in September.

    https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/deadliest-us-hurricanes

    I remember being in the eye of Betsy, and drove through Gulfport soon
    after Camille.

    Storms are less deadly now because we have satellite warnings.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Mar 24 14:47:00 2024
    On 24/03/2024 12:31 pm, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:14:12 -0700, Don Y
    <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 3:00 PM, bitrex wrote:
    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" owners
    of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to pitch in to save
    their property from the rising sea:

    <https://www.instagram.com/krazykarens2020/reel/C4mb8m3LLO8/>

    I expect they're going to take a heart-warming bath, alright. "Them dirty poors
    are stealing our hard-earned money! Taxation is theft by the state! Ack here
    comes the sea, come save us mommy state! Glub, glub, glub..."

    I suspect even the farmers in the flyover states are starting to realize
    that their primary asset (acreage) can't be relocated if the local climate >> makes it "unproductive" ("Hey! Let's put up a WINDFARM!!")

    https://extension.entm.purdue.edu/newsletters/pestandcrop/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/fig1.jpeg

    This pattern extends over many crops and many countries.

    But it's unlikely to persist as global warming gets worse. Pest control
    isn't much help if the crop isn't growing any more.

    [Latest surveys continue to show increasing (US) belief in climate change... >> the differences seem to be who/how to deal with it: "MY assets should be
    protected but why should *I* have to bear that cost?"]

    Disney will be the Florida property to watch. Far enough from the coast to >> not be immediately threatened (and, able -- at some expense -- to move
    their "attractions" elsewhere) yet likely keenly aware that the long
    term play doesn't seem to be to remain in place...

    Disney World is about 160 feet above sea level. At the current sea
    level rise, it will get wet in about 20,000 years. But of course,
    we'll have another ice age well before that, and sea level will drop.


    There's about 10 metres - 30 feet - of sea level rise in the Greenland
    and West Antarctic ice sheets.They aren't melting all that fast at the
    moment, but when they start sliding off into the ocean thing will move
    a lot faster, as James Hansen has pointed out.

    We aren't going to have another ice age in 20,000 years - we've already
    had enough global warming to make that impossible.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Mar 24 17:04:04 2024
    On 24/03/2024 2:21 pm, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 22:07:28 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 7:53 PM, john larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    <snip>


    Storms are less deadly now because we have satellite warnings.

    But they put more people at risk because they are more energetic.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Mar 24 10:19:24 2024
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:53:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an
    ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be >>>>>> shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >>>> support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >>>> timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how*
    they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights >>>> ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >>>> reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford
    factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >>>> difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so >>>> it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by
    comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from
    all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >>owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!

    For god's sake, if we don't start paying much higher taxes right away,
    we're all gonna die!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Mar 25 00:53:35 2024
    On 24/03/2024 9:19 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:53:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >>> owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!

    For god's sake, if we don't start paying much higher taxes right away,
    we're all gonna die!

    Higher taxes don't come into it. Electricity from renewable sources -
    solar cells and wind turbines - is cheaper than it is from any other
    source, even after you pay for the pumped storage and grid-scale
    batteries that you need to keep it flowing when the sun is down or the
    wind isn't blowing.

    Keeping the fossil fuel extraction industry as well paid as they like to
    be is expensive, and the taxpayers don't actually need to keep on doing
    it any more.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 24 08:19:57 2024
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:19:24 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:53:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >>>>>>> ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>>>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be >>>>>>> shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >>>>> support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >>>>> timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how* >>>>> they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights >>>>> ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >>>>> reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford >>>>> factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >>>>> difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so >>>>> it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by >>>>> comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production
    were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from >>>> all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them
    take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no
    end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >>>owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to >>>pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!

    For god's sake, if we don't start paying much higher taxes right away,
    we're all gonna die!

    We need an army of five-year olds to show up on summer weekends with
    tiny plastic shovels and pails, to add sand to the beaches before the millionaires summer homes are ruined.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Mar 24 21:06:38 2024
    On 3/24/24 16:19, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:19:24 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:53:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >>>>>>>> ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous >>>>>>>> notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be >>>>>>>> shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>>>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >>>>>> support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >>>>>> timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how* >>>>>> they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights >>>>>> ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >>>>>> reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford >>>>>> factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >>>>>> difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so >>>>>> it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by >>>>>> comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production >>>>> were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from >>>>> all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them >>>>> take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no >>>>> end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >>>> owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to
    pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!

    For god's sake, if we don't start paying much higher taxes right away,
    we're all gonna die!

    We need an army of five-year olds to show up on summer weekends with
    tiny plastic shovels and pails, to add sand to the beaches before the millionaires summer homes are ruined.


    As I said before, it doesn't work like that. Instead, nothing much
    happens for many years, and then, helped by some freak storm, suddenly
    the water comes and washes everything away. And much wailing ensues.
    And *then* measures will be taken, not before.

    I should know: I'm Dutch. We've been there, and we've done that.

    Jeroen Belleman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Sun Mar 24 16:32:07 2024
    On 3/24/2024 4:06 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

    We need an army of five-year olds to show up on summer weekends with
    tiny plastic shovels and pails, to add sand to the beaches before the
    millionaires summer homes are ruined.


    As I said before, it doesn't work like that. Instead, nothing much
    happens for many years, and then, helped by some freak storm, suddenly
    the water comes and washes everything away. And much wailing ensues.
    And *then* measures will be taken, not before.

    I should know: I'm Dutch. We've been there, and we've done that.

    Jeroen Belleman


    One of the homeowners in the video I posted seems adamant that climate
    change isn't the reason for the sea regularly knocking at his front door
    at this time, so speaking as a state taxpayer I'll gladly chip in for
    some imaginary truckloads of sand to help with the effects of his
    imaginary climate change.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Sun Mar 24 15:01:40 2024
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:06:38 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 3/24/24 16:19, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 10:19:24 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:53:17 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 18:00:53 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 3/23/2024 5:23 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 20:43:15 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid >>>>>> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 23:14:18 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    Awareness of the Climate Change scam continues to spread - at an >>>>>>>>> ever-increasing rate. As more and more people reject this preposterous
    notion, only the most die-hard Marxists will stick with it - and be >>>>>>>>> shown up for what they are.

    https://tinyurl.com/e9wkbz8x

    Most people are bored with it already, and politicians are getting the >>>>>>>> message, and don't want to be blamed for unrelible, expensive
    electricity and for job losses.

    Unfortunately for many politicians, they have pubilcly proclaimed their >>>>>>> support for the scams and mirages of the 'activists' and even laid out >>>>>>> timetables for *when* they are going to achieve them, though not*how* >>>>>>> they are going to achieve them.


    Electric car sales seem to have peaked.

    In the news bulletin on Radio Romania International a couple of nights >>>>>>> ago they proudly proclaimed that sales of electric cars in Romania had >>>>>>> reached 12,000 last year. A little leter the mentioned that the Ford >>>>>>> factory was turning out 1,000 engines per day. I assume they know the >>>>>>> difference between 'engines' (petrol or diesel) and electric motors, so >>>>>>> it looks as though electric car production is absolutely miniscule by >>>>>>> comparison.

    Long may it remain so. Almost all the early adopters of EV production >>>>>> were the well-in crowd who knew they were going to benefit hugely from >>>>>> all the subsidies they would enjoy at taxpayers' expense. Seeing them >>>>>> take a bath on their investment would warm the cockles of my heart no >>>>>> end.

    Meanwhile, cranky wingnut "I don't believe in dat climate change stuff!" >>>>> owners of beachfront property (naturally!) want the state/taxpayer to >>>>> pitch in to save their property from the rising sea:

    2 mm per year! Panic!

    For god's sake, if we don't start paying much higher taxes right away,
    we're all gonna die!

    We need an army of five-year olds to show up on summer weekends with
    tiny plastic shovels and pails, to add sand to the beaches before the
    millionaires summer homes are ruined.


    As I said before, it doesn't work like that. Instead, nothing much
    happens for many years, and then, helped by some freak storm, suddenly
    the water comes and washes everything away. And much wailing ensues.
    And *then* measures will be taken, not before.

    I should know: I'm Dutch. We've been there, and we've done that.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Oceans move sand around from place to place. That's why we have
    beaches.

    The city of San Francisco used to pay contractors to haul away the
    sand that blows in and blocks The Great Highway. Until they realized
    they can sell it.

    This is a cool book. It has a chapter about sand.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0593534344

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)