• Survivor!

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 09:03:02 2024
    Hi all,

    Just a quick one. But first, I'd just like to reiterate that I'm
    noting your comments on the ripple thread and will deal with them in
    due course when i have a couple of hours to spare next Sunday.
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic
    capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop* but
    no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had blown spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested fine for
    capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just wondering
    how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    CD.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed Mar 20 09:45:50 2024
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    Hi all,

    Just a quick one. But first, I'd just like to reiterate that I'm
    noting your comments on the ripple thread and will deal with them in
    due course when i have a couple of hours to spare next Sunday.
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop* but
    no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had blown spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested fine for capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just wondering
    how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    It's only doing it to annoy you. Make sure it is run well within its
    ratings and put it on a board that has to be buried several layers deep
    in some complicated equipment and is rivetted in place. It will fail
    in no time at all and probably take several other valuable components
    with it.


    --
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  • From Bertrand Sindri@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Wed Mar 20 15:22:17 2024
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop*
    but no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had
    blown spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested
    fine for capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just wondering how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    Obviously it was able to survive the overcurrent situation for long
    enough to blow the fuse in the variac. Since, as usual, you've left
    off all useful information (i.e., make and model of cap) we can't
    comment any further.

    The fuse also did it's job, which is to protect downstream components
    from overcurrent situations by blowing before the downstream items
    themselves blow up.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Wed Mar 20 08:19:52 2024
    On 2024/03/20 2:45 a.m., Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    Hi all,

    Just a quick one. But first, I'd just like to reiterate that I'm
    noting your comments on the ripple thread and will deal with them in
    due course when i have a couple of hours to spare next Sunday.
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic
    capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop* but
    no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had blown
    spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested fine for
    capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just wondering
    how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    It's only doing it to annoy you. Make sure it is run well within its
    ratings and put it on a board that has to be buried several layers deep
    in some complicated equipment and is rivetted in place. It will fail
    in no time at all and probably take several other valuable components
    with it.



    Lots of parts can be forced way past their rated maximums and suffer
    internal damage that won't then show for a period of time in normal use.

    That's why we have fuses, TSVs, MOVs, etc to help protect against spikes
    and their aftereffects.

    The only way to find what happened to the cap is to take the capacitor
    apart and study the elements under a microscope for punctures and do a
    chemical analysis on the electrolyte.

    This is just A-Waste-Of-Time experiment and I can't believe I am
    commenting on it...

    John :-#(#
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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 11:28:02 2024
    In article <JaDKN.646227$xHn7.292649@fx14.iad>,
    bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com says...

    The fuse also did it's job, which is to protect downstream components
    from overcurrent situations by blowing before the downstream items
    themselves blow up.





    Fuses are really to protect the power source. They do usually protect
    the wiring in the down stream device from a total meltdown.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 18:08:32 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 08:19:52 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024/03/20 2:45 a.m., Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    Hi all,

    Just a quick one. But first, I'd just like to reiterate that I'm
    noting your comments on the ripple thread and will deal with them in
    due course when i have a couple of hours to spare next Sunday.
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic
    capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop* but
    no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had blown
    spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested fine for
    capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just wondering
    how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    It's only doing it to annoy you. Make sure it is run well within its
    ratings and put it on a board that has to be buried several layers deep
    in some complicated equipment and is rivetted in place. It will fail
    in no time at all and probably take several other valuable components
    with it.



    Lots of parts can be forced way past their rated maximums and suffer
    internal damage that won't then show for a period of time in normal use.

    That's why we have fuses, TSVs, MOVs, etc to help protect against spikes
    and their aftereffects.

    The only way to find what happened to the cap is to take the capacitor
    apart and study the elements under a microscope for punctures and do a >chemical analysis on the electrolyte.

    This is just A-Waste-Of-Time experiment and I can't believe I am
    commenting on it...

    Yeah, well you did. Incidentally, why are you Canadians so desperately
    *dull*? It's like you have no sense of fun at all. You remind me of
    that fellow Paul Carlson (Youtube, 'Mr. Carlson's Lab' is his
    channel). Never seen him smile once in all the videos he's ever
    released.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Wed Mar 20 18:04:59 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:45:50 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    Hi all,

    Just a quick one. But first, I'd just like to reiterate that I'm
    noting your comments on the ripple thread and will deal with them in
    due course when i have a couple of hours to spare next Sunday.
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic
    capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop* but
    no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had blown
    spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested fine for
    capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just wondering
    how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    It's only doing it to annoy you. Make sure it is run well within its
    ratings and put it on a board that has to be buried several layers deep
    in some complicated equipment and is rivetted in place. It will fail
    in no time at all and probably take several other valuable components
    with it.

    LOL! Yeah, you got that 100% right I reckon, Liz. I realise I've
    probably curtailed the service life of this cap by some considerable
    amount, but nevertheless it's still remarkable it wasn't totally
    destroyed. Vintage NOS parts for you: none of your Chinese rubbish.
    :-)

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to John R Walliker on Fri Mar 22 11:52:29 2024
    John R Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 20/03/2024 15:22, Bertrand Sindri wrote:
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
    Yesterday I had 2 minutes to waste so I blew up another electrolytic
    capacitor - or rather I *tried* to. A 10uF 10V cap across the output
    of a variac with Vo set to 240VAC. There was a considerable *pop*
    but no bang and it turned out the T3.15 Amp fuse in the variac had
    blown spectacularly - but the cap had survived unscathed! Tested
    fine for capacitance and ESR! I never would have believed it. Just
    wondering how the hell it didn't get destroyed...

    Obviously it was able to survive the overcurrent situation for long
    enough to blow the fuse in the variac. Since, as usual, you've left
    off all useful information (i.e., make and model of cap) we can't
    comment any further.

    The fuse also did it's job, which is to protect downstream components
    from overcurrent situations by blowing before the downstream items themselves blow up.


    More importantly the fuse protected the variac. They are
    very intolerant of even quite modest overloads.

    I have successfully protected one with a thermal cutout which has low
    thermal inertia and has always operated before any damage can occur. It
    is in a bench power supply that is often used to test faulty equipment,
    so fuses would not give a quick and easy reset facility.

    It suffered a lot of nuisance tripping on loads well below the variac's
    rating until I realised that the isolation transformer, which it fed,
    was drawing a large magnetising current. I have corrected the power
    factor of the transformer with a capacitor and the nuisance tripping has
    now ceased.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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