• ping Phil Hobbs

    From Chris Jones@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 15 13:31:42 2024
    Hi Phil,

    You might find this interesting:

    Design of a low-cost, open source, condensation particle
    counter("OpenCPC") - EAC 2023

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mmV81vFGys

    Any ideas on ways to make it easier to build, or to count a higher
    fraction of the incoming particles?

    The end application is fit-testing of respirators, similar to the TSI Portacount but cheaper.

    BTW I already recommended your book to them, and pointed out that you do consulting...

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Chris Jones on Fri Mar 15 19:09:55 2024
    Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Hi Phil,

    You might find this interesting:

    Design of a low-cost, open source, condensation particle
    counter("OpenCPC") - EAC 2023

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mmV81vFGys

    Any ideas on ways to make it easier to build, or to count a higher
    fraction of the incoming particles?

    The end application is fit-testing of respirators, similar to the TSI Portacount but cheaper.

    BTW I already recommended your book to them, and pointed out that you do consulting...




    Condensation nucleus counters are old friends from my crud detection days
    30 years back.

    They work by pulling air through a saturated vapor of n-butanol and then
    into a regular dark field particle counter. That’s why the sample volume is smaller—you have to limit the alcohol consumption.

    The cool thing about them is that the particle radius grows linearly with
    time, up to a micron or so. The rate of collection per area is constant
    until the growing droplet starts depleting the local concentration of
    butanol.

    That lets you detect particles down to 10 nm or so, but obliterates any
    size information.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Chris Jones@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Sun Mar 17 00:03:28 2024
    On 16/03/2024 6:09 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Hi Phil,

    You might find this interesting:

    Design of a low-cost, open source, condensation particle
    counter("OpenCPC") - EAC 2023

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mmV81vFGys

    Any ideas on ways to make it easier to build, or to count a higher
    fraction of the incoming particles?

    The end application is fit-testing of respirators, similar to the TSI
    Portacount but cheaper.

    BTW I already recommended your book to them, and pointed out that you do
    consulting...




    Condensation nucleus counters are old friends from my crud detection days
    30 years back.

    They work by pulling air through a saturated vapor of n-butanol and then
    into a regular dark field particle counter. That’s why the sample volume is smaller—you have to limit the alcohol consumption.

    The cool thing about them is that the particle radius grows linearly with time, up to a micron or so. The rate of collection per area is constant
    until the growing droplet starts depleting the local concentration of butanol.

    That lets you detect particles down to 10 nm or so, but obliterates any
    size information.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    Their design is a bit unusual in that they do not illuminate the whole
    stream of particles, the laser beam is smaller, and this means that they
    miss some particles and the fraction that they miss is size-dependent.

    I think they are using isopropanol, I guess because it is more widely available.

    I'm pleasantly surprised that they are getting a huge signal compared to
    the background and noise.

    I'm waiting (and pestering them gently) until they upload their design
    files, as it's meant to be open-source.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Chris Jones on Sun Mar 17 20:34:01 2024
    Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 16/03/2024 6:09 am, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Hi Phil,

    You might find this interesting:

    Design of a low-cost, open source, condensation particle
    counter("OpenCPC") - EAC 2023

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mmV81vFGys

    Any ideas on ways to make it easier to build, or to count a higher
    fraction of the incoming particles?

    The end application is fit-testing of respirators, similar to the TSI
    Portacount but cheaper.

    BTW I already recommended your book to them, and pointed out that you do >>> consulting...




    Condensation nucleus counters are old friends from my crud detection days
    30 years back.

    They work by pulling air through a saturated vapor of n-butanol and then
    into a regular dark field particle counter. That’s why the sample volume is
    smaller—you have to limit the alcohol consumption.

    The cool thing about them is that the particle radius grows linearly with
    time, up to a micron or so. The rate of collection per area is constant
    until the growing droplet starts depleting the local concentration of
    butanol.

    That lets you detect particles down to 10 nm or so, but obliterates any
    size information.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    Their design is a bit unusual in that they do not illuminate the whole
    stream of particles, the laser beam is smaller, and this means that they
    miss some particles and the fraction that they miss is size-dependent.

    All laser particle counters are like that. For a given particle size,
    operating in the shot noise limit, you can interrogate a fixed volume per
    joule of laser energy.

    You can apportion that as a big beam and slow motion, or a smaller beam and higher air speed, but you get the same volumetric rate until you find
    yourself limited by some other noise source. Johnson, amplifier, and 1/f
    are the usual culprits.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    I think they are using isopropanol, I guess because it is more widely available.

    Dunno how well that would work.


    I'm pleasantly surprised that they are getting a huge signal compared to
    the background and noise.

    CNCs turn everything into 1-2 micron boulders, which is the point of the exercise.


    I'm waiting (and pestering them gently) until they upload their design
    files, as it's meant to be open-source.





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    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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