• grrrrrr

    From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 13 15:35:54 2024
    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to john larkin on Thu Mar 14 07:54:19 2024
    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:35:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein


    A lot of mfrs don't want anyone distributing their data sheets
    for them, hence the links or altered forms. Copyright or rev/doc
    control issues?

    Docs for north american market aren't a priority, when 80% of
    product is designed, made (and repaired?)off-shore.

    Publications? $ or lack of.

    I've had EDN and EPD reps on the phone three times in seven
    days, verifying mailing address, though they haven't delivered
    a hard copy to any of my addresses in the last 30yrs.
    Everyone else and their dog got one. Boohoohoo.

    You figure they'd be able to recognize a return from direct
    email solicitation and just cough up the article. Could be
    the browser, but hey . . . .

    Bodo Power keeps re-publishing stuff with illegible illustrations.
    You have to ask for a 'good' one.

    RL

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to legg on Thu Mar 14 08:07:46 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:54:19 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:35:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein


    A lot of mfrs don't want anyone distributing their data sheets
    for them, hence the links or altered forms. Copyright or rev/doc
    control issues?

    Easy not to sell. Another grrrr is data sheets with no rev or date ID.



    Docs for north american market aren't a priority, when 80% of
    product is designed, made (and repaired?)off-shore.

    English is pretty much universal for data sheets and appnotes.



    Publications? $ or lack of.

    I've had EDN and EPD reps on the phone three times in seven
    days, verifying mailing address, though they haven't delivered
    a hard copy to any of my addresses in the last 30yrs.
    Everyone else and their dog got one. Boohoohoo.

    I haven't ever had a rep call to verify email. Nobody calls about
    parts, either.


    You figure they'd be able to recognize a return from direct
    email solicitation and just cough up the article. Could be
    the browser, but hey . . . .

    Bodo Power keeps re-publishing stuff with illegible illustrations.
    You have to ask for a 'good' one.

    RL

    Data sheets used to have a regular format, bullet features and a
    summary with block diagram first (what IS this thing, anyhow?) and
    then abs max, then detailed specs, then appnotes, then mechanical
    diagrams. Now the sequence tends to be random.

    I hate when a datasheet covers a number of different part numbers but
    doesn't exactly tell what the differences are, or how to order which.

    I guess semi companies use interns to make data sheets.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to john larkin on Thu Mar 14 12:42:22 2024
    On 3/13/2024 6:35 PM, john larkin wrote:
    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein




    Hey there's an idea for an AI/large language model amenable task, a data sheet-renamer.

    LLMs can be pretty good at generating summaries of text, seems like it
    should be possible to train one on some app notes to generate summaries
    pithy enough for a file name.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Mar 14 14:10:16 2024
    On 3/14/2024 12:42 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 3/13/2024 6:35 PM, john larkin wrote:
    Why do people have online data sheet files called   media.pdf   or
    mfr.pdf  ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like  sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein




    Hey there's an idea for an AI/large language model amenable task, a data sheet-renamer.

    LLMs can be pretty good at generating summaries of text, seems like it
    should be possible to train one on some app notes to generate summaries
    pithy enough for a file name.

    Sometimes it might be able to just pull from document titles, but an auto-categorizer could be a helpful feature, also

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Mar 14 14:39:00 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:07 AM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:54:19 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:35:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein


    A lot of mfrs don't want anyone distributing their data sheets
    for them, hence the links or altered forms. Copyright or rev/doc
    control issues?

    Easy not to sell. Another grrrr is data sheets with no rev or date ID.

    They also seem to like to host them on the slowest servers imaginable
    and still use FTP like it's the 90s.

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  • From jim whitby@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 14 19:17:09 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:07 AM, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:54:19 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:35:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein


    A lot of mfrs don't want anyone distributing their data sheets for
    them, hence the links or altered forms. Copyright or rev/doc control
    issues?

    Easy not to sell. Another grrrr is data sheets with no rev or date ID.

    They also seem to like to host them on the slowest servers imaginable
    and still use FTP like it's the 90s.

    gopher would work better.



    --
    Jim Whitby


    Well, I'm a classic ANAL RETENTIVE!! And I'm looking for a way to
    VICARIOUSLY experience some reason to LIVE!!
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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu Mar 14 15:43:59 2024
    On 3/14/2024 11:39 AM, bitrex wrote:
    They also seem to like to host them on the slowest servers imaginable and still
    use FTP like it's the 90s.

    FTP would require each asset to have a unique file name.
    AND, would let a client peruse the list of ALL available
    assets -- scrape the server in one shot!

    Many sites deliver a "document.pdf" after you have clicked
    through a set of pages (including an acceptance of license).

    For "true PDFs", a simpler strategy is to scrape the site
    and store the entire set of documents indexed for FTS.

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  • From boB@21:1/5 to legg on Fri Mar 15 15:18:42 2024
    On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 07:54:19 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 15:35:54 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

    Why do people have online data sheet files called media.pdf or
    mfr.pdf ?

    Why does TI have app notes and eval board manuals like sluubo1.pdf?

    Why do I have to fill out a form to see a data sheet or an online
    magazine? It's easier to not.

    Why are a lot of Digikey's datasheet links broken or useless?

    Why do some data sheets not even name the manufacturer?


    "The easiest thing in the world is not to sell'"
    - Melvin Goldstein


    A lot of mfrs don't want anyone distributing their data sheets
    for them, hence the links or altered forms. Copyright or rev/doc
    control issues?

    Docs for north american market aren't a priority, when 80% of
    product is designed, made (and repaired?)off-shore.

    Publications? $ or lack of.

    I've had EDN and EPD reps on the phone three times in seven
    days, verifying mailing address, though they haven't delivered
    a hard copy to any of my addresses in the last 30yrs.
    Everyone else and their dog got one. Boohoohoo.

    You figure they'd be able to recognize a return from direct
    email solicitation and just cough up the article. Could be
    the browser, but hey . . . .

    Bodo Power keeps re-publishing stuff with illegible illustrations.
    You have to ask for a 'good' one.

    I always notice that. I asked Bodo and they said just ask for the
    legible drawing. Makes a larger file I'm sure

    boB


    RL

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