Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars would be lethal. Living on the moon
would be bad too.
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon
would be bad too.
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin ><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon
would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution. >>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon
would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution. >>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon
would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you
and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way >(circular reasoning).
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution. >>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you
and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way >>(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex
to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe
have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that
Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >project. I give it a B-.
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>: >>>
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>: >>>>>
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you
and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex
to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe
have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that
Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin ><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon
would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex
to have evolved from inorganics.
Other civiizations in the universe have probably advanced for billions of years.
So it's likely that Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science
project.
I give it a B-.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote: >>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
RNA World is a religious belief.
Concensus and faith without evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
This is
https://www.barrons.com/news/protect-earth-instead-of-colonising-mars-obama-says-1df83940
the most sensible thing I can recall Obama ever saying.
Let's feed and educate a billion kids instead of putting victims on
the moon or on Mars.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>: >>>>>>
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you
and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex
to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe
have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that
Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin ><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>: >>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>: >>>>>
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you
and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that
Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a >>>working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable
Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>> inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>> would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you
and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>> to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe
have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that
Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>> project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
On 3/15/24 10:35, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>> Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>> inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>> would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>> and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>> to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>> have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that
Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>> project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence. >>>>
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
And we are skeptical of your intelligent design stance. For that
matter, there are quite a few blunders in living beings that an
intelligent designer wouldn't have made.
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:35:27 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <eb58vidh7uivropd4lb3tjbf5iam87cid2@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>: >>>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>: >>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>>to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't >>>>attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a >>>>working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and >>>>quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
Did you actually READ the
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
link?
It is all very simple.
Life is everywhere buzzing
just like electrons around atoms
The religious leaders have various routines to keep their power and palaces, >suck your money and wash you brain and force you into obedience
Take a step back.
The rain-dances ended when rain-radar was more accurate
Our lifeform has evolved something called 'ego' to protect ourself.
We are not that more complex than that sunshade with photo sensor that has a voice added
so when the sun shines it says 'sun', I am closing, and if no sun, I am opening.
That, in short, is all consciousness is.
Never the less we are all connected, these days via radio and teefee too. >Drop the mystics
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:42:50 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:35:27 -0700) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <eb58vidh7uivropd4lb3tjbf5iam87cid2@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>>Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little. >>>>>>>>>>
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination. >>>>>>>>So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>>and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>>>to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>>have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>>Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>>>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't >>>>>attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence. >>>>>
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a >>>>>working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and >>>>>quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
Did you actually READ the
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
link?
It is all very simple.
Too simple. It's not DNA, not cells, it's unlikely to continue
replicating outside the lab, and, being a lab experiment, is
"intelligent design." Well, moderately intelligent.
Lots of chemical reactions can be forced to replicate in the lab.
Life is everywhere buzzing
just like electrons around atoms
The religious leaders have various routines to keep their power and palaces, >>suck your money and wash you brain and force you into obedience
Take a step back.
The rain-dances ended when rain-radar was more accurate
Our lifeform has evolved something called 'ego' to protect ourself.
We are not that more complex than that sunshade with photo sensor that has a voice added
so when the sun shines it says 'sun', I am closing, and if no sun, I am opening.
That, in short, is all consciousness is.
Never the less we are all connected, these days via radio and teefee too. >>Drop the mystics
Blind faith hand-waving about random mutation and selection is mystic. >Conjecturing about an actual, unlikely but plausible, origin of life
is not.
One big problem with accounting for DNA life is that an entire class
of possible mechanisms is sneered at because considering them invokes
the fear of drifting even slightly towards religion, and we can't
allow that. You do that, mocking anything that you think might drift
in that direction. Dawkins said that he was a capital-A Atheist first,
and everything else flowed from that.
He was capital-B Boring too, as compulsive believers tend to be.
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 08:04:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <lun8vido07cnl5t4n7t7gl08e3sbinqpr3@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:42:50 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:35:27 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <eb58vidh7uivropd4lb3tjbf5iam87cid2@4ax.com>: >>>
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>><jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>: >>>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>>>>inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>>>>would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination. >>>>>>>>>So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>>>and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>>>>to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>>>have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>>>Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>>>>project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't >>>>>>attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence. >>>>>>
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a >>>>>>working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and >>>>>>quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that >>>>if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection >>>>as our origin.
Did you actually READ the
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
link?
It is all very simple.
Too simple. It's not DNA, not cells, it's unlikely to continue
replicating outside the lab, and, being a lab experiment, is
"intelligent design." Well, moderately intelligent.
Lots of chemical reactions can be forced to replicate in the lab.
Life is everywhere buzzing
just like electrons around atoms
The religious leaders have various routines to keep their power and palaces, >>>suck your money and wash you brain and force you into obedience
Take a step back.
The rain-dances ended when rain-radar was more accurate
Our lifeform has evolved something called 'ego' to protect ourself.
We are not that more complex than that sunshade with photo sensor that has a voice added
so when the sun shines it says 'sun', I am closing, and if no sun, I am opening.
That, in short, is all consciousness is.
Never the less we are all connected, these days via radio and teefee too. >>>Drop the mystics
Blind faith hand-waving about random mutation and selection is mystic. >>Conjecturing about an actual, unlikely but plausible, origin of life
is not.
One big problem with accounting for DNA life is that an entire class
of possible mechanisms is sneered at because considering them invokes
the fear of drifting even slightly towards religion, and we can't
allow that. You do that, mocking anything that you think might drift
in that direction. Dawkins said that he was a capital-A Atheist first,
and everything else flowed from that.
He was capital-B Boring too, as compulsive believers tend to be.
Well no use educting the brain washed.
Best of luck special heap of cells.
It is not bad that 'I' do not know what you babble about., much worse is that 'you' do not know.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:11:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/15/24 10:35, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>> Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>>> inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>>> would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>> and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>>> to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>> have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>> Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>>> project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence. >>>>>
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
And we are skeptical of your intelligent design stance. For that
matter, there are quite a few blunders in living beings that an
intelligent designer wouldn't have made.
What you call my "stance" is one conjecture. I have others that you'd
approve of even less.
Our cells are extraordinary, so their creation might have been an extraordinary process. Refuse to think about possibilities if that's
your style.
There are youtube videos about cell replication that are mind
boggling. It doesn't work until a zillion fiendshly complex things all
work, and the cell defines them for itself.
Thinking about possibilities helps electronic design too.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:42:50 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:35:27 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <eb58vidh7uivropd4lb3tjbf5iam87cid2@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>wrote: >>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid wrote:
Blind faith hand-waving about random mutation and selection is mystic.
Conjecturing about an actual, unlikely but plausible, origin of life
is not.
One big problem with accounting for DNA life is that an entire class
of possible mechanisms is sneered at because considering them invokes
the fear of drifting even slightly towards religion, and we can't
allow that.
You do that, mocking anything that you think might drift
in that direction. Dawkins said that he was a capital-A Atheist first,
and everything else flowed from that.
He was capital-B Boring too, as compulsive believers tend to be.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:11:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/15/24 10:35, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>> Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep >>>>>>>>>>> inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>>> would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination.
So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>> and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>>> to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>> have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>> Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science >>>>>>> project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence. >>>>>
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a
working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that
if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
And we are skeptical of your intelligent design stance. For that
matter, there are quite a few blunders in living beings that an
intelligent designer wouldn't have made.
What you call my "stance" is one conjecture. I have others that you'd
approve of even less.
Our cells are extraordinary, so their creation might have been an extraordinary process. Refuse to think about possibilities if that's
your style.
There are youtube videos about cell replication that are mind
boggling. It doesn't work until a zillion fiendshly complex things all
work, and the cell defines them for itself.
Thinking about possibilities helps electronic design too.
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 15:52:57 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 08:04:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <lun8vido07cnl5t4n7t7gl08e3sbinqpr3@4ax.com>: >>
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:42:50 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Mar 2024 02:35:27 -0700) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <eb58vidh7uivropd4lb3tjbf5iam87cid2@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened john larkin >>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>: >>>>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the moon >>>>>>>>>>>>> would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel: >>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination. >>>>>>>>>> So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>>>> and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too complex >>>>>>>>> to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>>>> have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>>>> Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school science
project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't >>>>>>> attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without evidence. >>>>>>>
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a >>>>>>> working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and >>>>>>> quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating RNA (check)
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding. >>>>>
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that >>>>> if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection >>>>> as our origin.
Did you actually READ the
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
link?
It is all very simple.
Too simple. It's not DNA, not cells, it's unlikely to continue
replicating outside the lab, and, being a lab experiment, is
"intelligent design." Well, moderately intelligent.
Lots of chemical reactions can be forced to replicate in the lab.
Life is everywhere buzzing
just like electrons around atoms
The religious leaders have various routines to keep their power and palaces,
suck your money and wash you brain and force you into obedience
Take a step back.
The rain-dances ended when rain-radar was more accurate
Our lifeform has evolved something called 'ego' to protect ourself.
We are not that more complex than that sunshade with photo sensor that has a voice added
so when the sun shines it says 'sun', I am closing, and if no sun, I am opening.
That, in short, is all consciousness is.
Never the less we are all connected, these days via radio and teefee too. >>>> Drop the mystics
Blind faith hand-waving about random mutation and selection is mystic.
Conjecturing about an actual, unlikely but plausible, origin of life
is not.
One big problem with accounting for DNA life is that an entire class
of possible mechanisms is sneered at because considering them invokes
the fear of drifting even slightly towards religion, and we can't
allow that. You do that, mocking anything that you think might drift
in that direction. Dawkins said that he was a capital-A Atheist first,
and everything else flowed from that.
He was capital-B Boring too, as compulsive believers tend to be.
Well no use educating the brain washed.
Best of luck special heap of cells.
It is not bad that 'I' do not know what you babble about., much worse is that 'you' do not know.
As one rich and famous person said, "Don't be a jerk. Nobody likes
jerks."
On 3/15/24 16:11, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:11:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/15/24 10:35, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:28:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 10:38:47 -0700) it happened johnRNA (check)
larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in <s3d6vi95gfrbs6omoula55soaktalpggru@4ax.com>: >>>>>
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:46:07 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:13:31 -0700) it happened John >>>>>>> Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in
<in46vipa7a3eb6q7au6alobve5vfmv5jso@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2024 06:13:43 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:54:24 -0700) it happened >>>>>>>>> John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in
<ae13viptr1sskaqq1h2ru1j9i85sdecfrd@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 07:09:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Mar 2024 14:18:18 -0700) it happened >>>>>>>>>>> john larkin
<jl@650pot.com> wrote in
<34h1vihp32geb2olkcscfksbr8k0bdgdmu@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 06:22:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Shields up: New ideas might make active shielding viable >>>>>>>>>>>>> Active shielding was first proposed in the '60s. We’re >>>>>>>>>>>>> finally close to making it work.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/shields-up-new-ideas-might-make-active-shielding-viable/
bit of static oelectricity, 1 MV ?
That's all absurd, cramming a crew into a tiny dark
cylinder, deep
inside tons of magnets, to reduce their radiation exposure a >>>>>>>>>>>> little.
Yes that may be more dangerus, tha tI why I like the
elctrostatic solution.
Space is not people-friendly. Earth is.
Traveling to or living on Mars woud be lethal. Living on the >>>>>>>>>>>> moon
would be bad too.
Maybe we could convert some comet, live inside it,
use its material for power water and shelter
and put an engine on it and start interstellar travel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BBOumuamua
You go first.
Oh I would not mind flying the comet thing, would want to have >>>>>>>>> a say in the design and food chosen though.
but it will take generations to reach any target destination. >>>>>>>>> So you have to bring whole families ,
or as things go now, just some skin and have a computah hatch you >>>>>>>>> and teach you when growing up near the destination.
Makes you wonder if the first life on earth was brought here in >>>>>>>>> a similar way
(circular reasoning).
Earth is too good to be an accident, and our life form is too
complex
to have evolved from inorganics. Other civiizations in the universe >>>>>>>> have probably advanced for billions of years. So it's likely that >>>>>>>> Earth and DNA-based life were designed, maybe as a high school >>>>>>>> science
project. I give it a B-.
Well I won't attack your religious beliefs
I expressed no religious beliefs, and it's good that you wouldn't
attack any.
RNA World is a religious belief. Concensus and faith without
evidence.
Just watched some news story where a sort of computer robot was
teaching kids...
Again, an other science program today on TV about planets: all
sort of basic chemistry was found
on some moons and asteroids.
Sure. Chemicals are not life, as a junk box full of parts is not a >>>>>> working electronic instrument.
They did a testing in the lab and made RNA from just basic
chemicals added some heat cycling and dry soak cycle
like you will find on planets (sun, tides):
https://phys.org/news/2022-03-insight-life.html
we are just a chemical reaction really.
We are an astoundingly complex structure that uses chemicals and
quantum mechanics. At least I am.
from elementary particles to atoms to molecules to self-replicating
from RNA to DNA and ever more complex forms like us (check)
Readup on Darwin
:-)
Read up on the ways our cells operate and reproduce. It's astounding.
Darwin was very smart, but he had no idea how cells work. I think that >>>> if he had, he'd have been skeptical of random evolution and selection
as our origin.
And we are skeptical of your intelligent design stance. For that
matter, there are quite a few blunders in living beings that an
intelligent designer wouldn't have made.
What you call my "stance" is one conjecture. I have others that you'd
approve of even less.
Our cells are extraordinary, so their creation might have been an
extraordinary process. Refuse to think about possibilities if that's
your style.
There are youtube videos about cell replication that are mind
boggling. It doesn't work until a zillion fiendshly complex things all
work, and the cell defines them for itself.
Thinking about possibilities helps electronic design too.
There are lots of chemists and biologists who think that self-
replicating RNA is a credible step on the path towards evolving
life. There is no need for the seeds of life to have come from
elsewhere than earth, although that possibility is not excluded.
It's remarkable that the reproduction of RNA and DNA still today
can be made to work simply by cycling the temperature of the right
mixture of chemicals, much like day and night cycles, as may well
have happened on a young earth.
To our current knowledge, actual intelligent designers are even
less probable than random mutations producing a working cell. How
did the intelligent designers come to be? They would have been
subject to the same kind of constraints as life on earth, the
right conditions and enough time.
In fact, as long as we haven't found evidence of life elsewhere
in the universe, we can't have any real idea of how common or rare
it is. However, we *can* be pretty confident that *intelligent*
life is at least a few million times less likely than just any
life. On those grounds, I have less trouble believing in evolution
than in intelligent design.
Darwin's evolution provides a plausible path to the complex life
we see today, without requiring intelligent or divine intervention.
That's its strength. Postulating such intervention is superstition
unless direct convincing evidence is found.
As for the possible existence of alien civilisations with billions
of years advance on us, I'm skeptical. Based on what we see on earth,
I tend to think that technically advanced civilisations are unstable.
I think they'll blow themselves up rather quickly, on cosmic time
scales.
There are lots of chemists and biologists who think that self-
replicating RNA is a credible step on the path towards evolving
life. There is no need for the seeds of life to have come from
elsewhere than earth, although that possibility is not excluded.
It's remarkable that the reproduction of RNA and DNA still today
can be made to work simply by cycling the temperature of the right
mixture of chemicals, much like day and night cycles, as may well
have happened on a young earth.
To our current knowledge, actual intelligent designers are even
less probable than random mutations producing a working cell. How
did the intelligent designers come to be? They would have been
subject to the same kind of constraints as life on earth, the
right conditions and enough time.
In fact, as long as we haven't found evidence of life elsewhere
in the universe, we can't have any real idea of how common or rare
it is.
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