https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

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On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:22:44 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

All those wankers that bought electric cars.

Imagine
all electric cars
all electric house and hot water heating
no nukes
no coal
no ng
destroy hydro dams

Imagine lots of darkness.

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On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

All those wankers that bought electric cars.




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On 8/03/2024 8:37 am, john larkin wrote:

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:22:44 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

All those wankers that bought electric cars.

Imagine
all electric cars

Would mean that the US would need 30% more generating capacity than it
has now.

all electric house and hot water heating

Sounds sensible.

no nukes

Very sensible - they take ages to build and produce very expensive
electricity.

no coal

Equally sensible. Wind and solar both produce electricity at a lower
price per kilowatt hour.

no ng

Less sensible. Burning natural gas doesn't produce cheap electricity
either, but you can turn on a natural gas fired turbine generator in a
few minutes, on those rare occasions when you need it. Grid scale
storage is a better solution, but it may take a while to install enough
of it. Even longer if the fossil carbon extraction industry can slow it
down.

destroy hydro dams

Why would you do that?

Imagine lots of darkness.

The fossil carbon extraction industry does a lot of that. They imagine a smaller market for their product, and smaller cash flows, and lie like
fury to delay the inevitable.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

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On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Jeroen Belleman

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On 8/03/2024 8:22 pm, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in
<h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new
nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Except that they don't exist yet. The technology that could create small modular reactors does exist. The production lines that could churn them
out in months doesn't and would have to be built, and only after the
modular reactors themselves had been designed.

The small reactors that go into nuclear submarines and nuclear powered
aircraft carriers were designed a long time ago under very different constraints.

If they really were going to produce cheaper electric power than wind
turbines and solar cells, somebody probably would have designed them by
now. In fact a few people have, but the designs haven't been attractive
enough get the kind of start-up capital required, and probably never
will be.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

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On 8/03/2024 9:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Not exactly.

"By design, our SMR is focused on attracting all forms of private
capital to support the build out of global SMR demand. With a proven
factory built commoditised approach, our SMR will offer investors and
lenders a degree of confidence that will enable future customers to
access a range of capital options to finance their SMR purchase."

They've got as far as having a proposition that they hope will attract
private capital. There's no suggestion that they have attracted any yet,
let along enough to cover the cost of building a whole production line.

It's a pipe-dream.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.

Jeroen Belleman

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Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??

Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?



--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:23:16 +0000) it happened liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in <1qq3oyk.wpq4jr3mtoe8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:

Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >> >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??

Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?

Good question
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/03/mps-back-call-to-build-four-new-nuclear-power-plants-in-nl/
there is risk of flooding all over this country, dikes with pumps protect it. OTOH things have been working with ups and downs since 1960 or so..
The one in Petten is mainly used for radioisotope creation for cancer treatment,
and a few MW for electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petten_nuclear_reactor

The one in Borsele has about 485 MW:
https://www.borsele.nl/kerncentrale-borssele

I am used to radioactive fallout, we had some from Tjernobyl here..
my radiation meter logs 24/7 and has an alarm function....

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On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.

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On 8/03/2024 11:23 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >>> s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??

Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?

There's plenty of the Netherlands that is actually above sea level.

Where I used to live in Nijmegen was 30 metres above the sea level at Amsterdam. Admittedly, when I lived there, the Rhine did flood, and some
of my colleagues were thinking about moving stuff into my basement, but
you wouldn't put a nuclear reactor on a site that was susceptible to
flooding, and the Dutch do know which sites are susceptible to flooding.

Their current minister for science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbert_Dijkgraaf

has a surname which means that one of his ancestors was responsible for
making sure that the dikes in his area were up to snuff. The title
"graaf" is roughly equivalent to "count" or "earl", but a dijkgraaf was
more a functional title than an aristocratic rank.

The man himself is something of an intellectual aristocrat, but didn't
act like one when I met him. Perfectly agreeable.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 06:40:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

Pick a region and tell the locals that they can have a reactor or no electricity. Let them vote.

Near the ocean would be good for cooling.

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.

Jeroen Belleman

It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by
private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.

You can elect to not invest.

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Nukes work fine in France. Actually, they work fine most everywhere
else.

SMRs sound cool, but need to be hardened against greenie saboteurs.

They should be supported by a good fuel recycling/disposal
infrastructure, which, again, is not really a technical problem.

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman ><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.

Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally,
quickly, where and when needed.

The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.

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Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:23:16 +0000) it happened liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in <1qq3oyk.wpq4jr3mtoe8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:

Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >> >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??

Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?

Good question https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/03/mps-back-call-to-build-four-new-nuclear-p ower-plants-in-nl/ there is risk of flooding all over this country, dikes with pumps protect it. OTOH things have been working with ups and downs
since 1960 or so..

Unfortunately the possibility of some malevolent power flooding the
country (or at least using the threat of that as a way of holding Europe
to ransom) is no longer the negligible risk we once thought it was.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:23:16 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >> >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??

Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?

There are places in the Netherlands that are over a hundred feet above
sea level! There is even a ski area!

https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resort/snowworld-landgraaf/

Check out the webcam. Not much danger of wandering off track and
freezing to death in the woods, which sometimes happens here.

ASML is only 62 feet above sea level.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:24:46 +0000) it happened liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in <1qq3x9g.1qopcx31ybd9guN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:

Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:23:16 +0000) it happened
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1qq3oyk.wpq4jr3mtoe8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:

Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >> >> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i
s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear
power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??

Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?

Good question
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/03/mps-back-call-to-build-four-new-nuclear-p >> ower-plants-in-nl/ there is risk of flooding all over this country, dikes
with pumps protect it. OTOH things have been working with ups and downs
since 1960 or so..

Unfortunately the possibility of some malevolent power flooding the
country (or at least using the threat of that as a way of holding Europe
to ransom) is no longer the negligible risk we once thought it was.

Indeed, and flooding was used in WW2 against German invasion at some point.

I do think nuking Leeuwarden mil airport (12 km or so from where I live) where F35 is stationed now
and maybe stores some nukes, could be a target for say Russia (or America ;-) ).
https://panteltje.nl/pub/first_F35_lands_at_Leeuwarden_airport_IXIMG_0212.JPG I used to bike there and watch the planes.... F16s at that time, takeoff and land,
many people there, air-shows too sometimes... 2 F16 crashed over the years close to here.
some people with radios there follow air traffic and tower conversation.
The water level in the canals and fields in and around Amsterdam is controlled by a central computer,
did some design for something there years ago.
I am sure it can be hacked or if power goes....

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On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.

Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally,
quickly, where and when needed.

The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.

The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html

It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.

Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>quickly, where and when needed.

The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.

The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html

It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?

So far, fusion doesn't look like it will work in anything smaller than
a star.

Cars work fine on gasoline, or almost even on batteries. It doesn't
make sense for a 100lb person to move 3 tons of steel with them to the drugstore, but market forces will fix that.

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.

Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>quickly, where and when needed.

The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.

The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html

It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?

That might appease the Greenies, but the Watermellons would still try
to sabotage them.
In the UK at least, nuclear power plants are guarded by armed police.
They're keen to ensure no fuel is stolen and subsequently enriched.
The same would have to be done for small reactors anyway, so that
should give the 'mellons something to think about.

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On 3/8/24 18:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>: >>

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense. >>>

Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally,
quickly, where and when needed.

The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.

The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html >>
It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?

That might appease the Greenies, but the Watermellons would still try
to sabotage them.
In the UK at least, nuclear power plants are guarded by armed police.
They're keen to ensure no fuel is stolen and subsequently enriched.
The same would have to be done for small reactors anyway, so that
should give the 'mellons something to think about.

It would be nice if we could make nuclear energy on the scale
required for a single household economically viable. Everyone
has his own little self-contained nuclear device in a hole in
the cellar, producing heat and electricity enough to provide
for the needs of the home and the means of transport over 30
years or so, each unit providing something like 10 to 50 kilowatts,
heat and electricity combined. When it's worn, it gets replaced by
a new one. I'm just dreaming. It's not likely to ever happen.
Even if it'd be technically possible, the economy wouldn't work.

Jeroen Belleman

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On 2024-03-08 16:06, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.

Jeroen Belleman

It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.

You can elect to not invest.

All?

Not so, many were funded by governments one way or another.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Nukes work fine in France. Actually, they work fine most everywhere
else.

SMRs sound cool, but need to be hardened against greenie saboteurs.

They should be supported by a good fuel recycling/disposal
infrastructure, which, again, is not really a technical problem.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:55:17 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:06, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.

Jeroen Belleman

It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by
private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.

You can elect to not invest.

All?

Not so, many were funded by governments one way or another.

Governments usually waste public money, and pour more in when things
go wrong.

Funding research is good. Funding industries is usually boondoogles;
let the market invest and pick the winners.

The best thing government can do for industry is to do less. Less
regulation, less taxation, less support for unions. Business is mobile
via various mechanisms, easy to chase away.

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On 2024-03-08 21:06, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.

I don't. I love flying and mountains. Not a problem. I also eat potatoes frequently.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:17:19 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 21:06, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear >>>> of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.

I don't. I love flying and mountains. Not a problem. I also eat potatoes >frequently.

The number of cancers caused by non-Russian reactors is about zero.

Coal power plants emit maybe 10x the radiation per KWH compared to
nukes. Plus a lot of other nasty stuff.

What's shocking is that cigarettes are legal. They kill about half a
million peope in the US every year. A deal was cut to keep them legal,
with the states and feds getting a lot of tax revenue to kill people.

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On 3/7/24 7:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

Like the scouts say, be prepared. For me that means a wood stove for
heating, a generator, a LiFePO4 battery, a solar panel for that, and a
swamp cooler that runs on very little power. Plus lots of rechargeable
lights with exchangeable 19650 cells.

Oh, and ham radio. When the power goes the cell service usually knocks
off 15-200mins later. Landlines drop immediately due to that wonderful
VoIP stuff. That's when I hope neighbors will remember the house with
the strange antennas in case someone has a heart attack, a stroke, a
fire or something else that requires help.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:32:47 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

On 3/7/24 7:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

Like the scouts say, be prepared. For me that means a wood stove for
heating, a generator, a LiFePO4 battery, a solar panel for that, and a
swamp cooler that runs on very little power. Plus lots of rechargeable
lights with exchangeable 19650 cells.

Oh, and ham radio. When the power goes the cell service usually knocks
off 15-200mins later. Landlines drop immediately due to that wonderful
VoIP stuff. That's when I hope neighbors will remember the house with
the strange antennas in case someone has a heart attack, a stroke, a
fire or something else that requires help.

Indeed. A shortwave radio may be the only means of exchanging
information over long distances when TSHTF.

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On 9/03/2024 6:53 am, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:55:17 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:06, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.

Jeroen Belleman

It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by
private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.

You can elect to not invest.

All?

Not so, many were funded by governments one way or another.

Governments usually waste public money, and pour more in when things
go wrong.

It happens, but it isn't usual.

Funding research is good. Funding industries is usually boondoogles;
let the market invest and pick the winners.

Until there's a product to sell, the market doesn't have anything to buy.

The best thing government can do for industry is to do less. Less
regulation, less taxation, less support for unions. Business is mobile
via various mechanisms, easy to chase away.

John Larkin is a gullible sucker for propaganda spread by very rich
Americans.

https://www.bloomsbury.com/au/big-myth-9781635573572/

The book is written by the same authors who wrote "Merchants of Doubt". Business likes to have a monopoly on investing in new and profitable
ideas. People who are investing primarily to make their voters happier
can cut the profit margins of people who are investing purely to make money.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/03/2024 2:06 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.

Jeroen Belleman

It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.

You can elect to not invest.

It would probably be a wise choice.

if there were real money to be made, somebody would have got in early.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/03/2024 7:06 am, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.

Nuclear waste is a lot more radioactive than bananas and potatoes.
If you've got radon in your cellar, you should put a fan to move it out.

https://www.epa.gov/radon/health-risk-radon

Smoking causes about 160,000 lung cancer deaths a year in the US. but
radon cause about 21,000 - it's worth worrying about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/03/2024 2:01 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Nukes work fine in France. Actually, they work fine most everywhere
else.

But nobody has found a good long term solution for storing nuclear waste
for the 100,000 odd years it takes before it stops being dangerous

SMRs sound cool, but need to be hardened against greenie saboteurs.

Non-existent greenie saboteurs. We've had nuclear reactors since the
late 1940's but no greenie has ever sabotaged one, or shown any desire
to do so.

They should be supported by a good fuel recycling/disposal
infrastructure, which, again, is not really a technical problem.

We've had 70 years to solve that particular problem, and nobody has yet
come up with a solution that they can sell to the public. The technical problems may not be insoluble, but solutions that have been found so far
don't seem to be socially acceptable.

And why should they be? Nuclear power isn't cheaper that renewable power.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/03/2024 1:48 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 06:40:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

Pick a region and tell the locals that they can have a reactor or no electricity. Let them vote.

The Dutch are pretty technically literate. Roof-top solar is pretty
popular there, and Dutch have been into windmills for a very long time -
there were plenty of wind turbines around when I lived there.

They'd know that they could get cheaper electricity in smaller chunks.

Near the ocean would be good for cooling.

It's hard to get all that far from the ocean anywhere in the
Netherlands. Putting pipes through the dikes to circulate cooling sea
water wouldn't be difficult, and the return flow would probably be
circulated through industrial scale green-houses to exploit the low
level heat.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 9/03/2024 9:56 am, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:17:19 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 21:06, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ?? >>>>>>>

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/ >>>>>

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear >>>>> of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.

I don't. I love flying and mountains. Not a problem. I also eat potatoes
frequently.

The number of cancers caused by non-Russian reactors is about zero.

Coal power plants emit maybe 10x the radiation per KWH compared to
nukes. Plus a lot of other nasty stuff.

Wind turbines and solar cells are a lot less dangerous.

What's shocking is that cigarettes are legal. They kill about half a
million peope in the US every year. A deal was cut to keep them legal,
with the states and feds getting a lot of tax revenue to kill people.

America tried prohibition of ethanol in the great experiment. It didn't
work, any more than the war on drugs has. Taxing tobacco heavily has set
up a lively trade in smuggling the stuff, but the tax rate can be
adjusted to make smuggling less profitable, so it doesn't kill all that
many extra people.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100) it happened "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in <gk3sbkx527.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Yes and no, wildlife around Chernobyl is flourishing
mainly because there are no people there to kill it, all evacuated.
The body has a DNA correction mechanism.
If you look at he amount of people killed by nuclear accidents (bombs apart) maybe a few hundred, to the thousands killed each year in coal mining,
by air pollution, etc, nuclear is very safe.
A nuclear power plant accident may cause some areas to be evacuated for while. But earth is big, times moves, radioactive elements decay.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki: people are living there again these days after it got nuked:
japantimes.co.jp/2023/01/14/special-supplements/hiroshimas-rebound-atomic-bomb-prosperous-regional-hub/

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On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 08:13:42 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <n2emui9ms7puul8i5k829l4batsd0bb08r@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>>><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse >>>>>design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense. >>>

Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>>quickly, where and when needed.

The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.

The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html >>
It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?

So far, fusion doesn't look like it will work in anything smaller than
a star.

I am not sure, I have written here many times:
"If you cannot do it with those tiny particles on the desktop,
then you cannot do it with a machine the size of the universe"
Example, look up Farnsworth fusor:
https://www.tue.nl/faculteit-technische-natuurkunde/onderzoek/onderzoeksgroepen/science-and-technology-of-nuclear-fusion-fusion/fusion-facilities/fusor

build one yourself:
https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Build-a-Fusion-Reactor-and-Become-Part-of-t/

Highschool kids have done it too.
Fusion is not the problem, it is the break-even that needs to be improved factor 10^6 too low for that Farnsworth fusor IIRC.
But who knows, I do see opportunities here to increase it
many have worked on that, I wanted to build one but its low efficiency, radiation, lack of space I have, kept me.

Cars work fine on gasoline, or almost even on batteries. It doesn't
make sense for a 100lb person to move 3 tons of steel with them to the >drugstore, but market forces will fix that.

Yes..

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On 3/8/24 19:56, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John
Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in
<h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new
nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

No it isn't. The general public has no idea of the real level of
danger. They're just afraid of the unknown. The real problem is
information and education. That, and the various groups of scare-
mongers that prey on the ignorant masses.

Natural radiation is everywhere. We all get ballpark 10uSv a day,
no matter what. Except in a few cases, the contribution of the global
nuclear industry to that is *very* small. Some medical procedures
can subject you to several *years* worth of extra dose in an instant,
yet hardly anybody seems to worry about that.

Having spent my career at a physics research lab, I myself was
classed as a 'nuclear worker', regularly working in radioactive
areas and with activated materials. Even so, the average additional
dose I got was still much less than 1% of the natural dose.

Jeroen Belleman

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Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:

On 3/7/24 7:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america- is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.

Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.

Like the scouts say, be prepared. For me that means a wood stove for
heating, a generator, a LiFePO4 battery, a solar panel for that, and a
swamp cooler that runs on very little power. Plus lots of rechargeable
lights with exchangeable 19650 cells.

Oh, and ham radio. When the power goes the cell service usually knocks
off 15-200mins later. Landlines drop immediately due to that wonderful
VoIP stuff. That's when I hope neighbors will remember the house with
the strange antennas in case someone has a heart attack, a stroke, a
fire or something else that requires help.

Until they realise that the emergency services have lost all their communicaitons too, so there is no one who can receive your message.

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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On 9/03/2024 4:54 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100) it happened "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in <gk3sbkx527.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>:

On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69

Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.

Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??

These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.

Already in development!

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/

It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.

Gosh, it is a very rational fear.

Yes and no, wildlife around Chernobyl is flourishing
mainly because there are no people there to kill it, all evacuated.

But there are a lot of mutations in the surviving wildlife.

The body has a DNA correction mechanism.

It doesn't. Breaks in the DNA do get glommed back together again, but
there's mo guarantee that the right broken bits get tied back together

If you look at he amount of people killed by nuclear accidents (bombs apart) maybe a few hundred, to the thousands killed each year in coal mining,
by air pollution, etc, nuclear is very safe.

Mainly because we are properly careful. Coal mining got started long
before people were all that careful about avoiding accidents, and while
we've got better, lots of dangerous habits have persisted.

A nuclear power plant accident may cause some areas to be evacuated for while.
But earth is big, times moves, radioactive elements decay.

Over up to about 100,000 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission_product

Hiroshima and Nagasaki: people are living there again these days after it got nuked:
japantimes.co.jp/2023/01/14/special-supplements/hiroshimas-rebound-atomic-bomb-prosperous-regional-hub/

They got blasted by an air-burst. Lots of radiation from bomb blast, but
the fission products got widely spread by the blast.

Drop a nuclear weapon on a nuclear reactor and you could make a country
the size of Belgium or the Netherlands uninhabitable for generations.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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