On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.
All those wankers that bought electric cars.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.
On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:22:44 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>Imagine
wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.
All those wankers that bought electric cars.
all electric cars
all electric house and hot water heating
no nukes
no coal
no ng
destroy hydro dams
Imagine lots of darkness.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in
<h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new
nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >> >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??
Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >>> s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??
Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.
Jeroen Belleman
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman ><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:23:16 +0000) it happened liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in <1qq3oyk.wpq4jr3mtoe8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >> >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??
Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?
Good question https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/03/mps-back-call-to-build-four-new-nuclear-p ower-plants-in-nl/ there is risk of flooding all over this country, dikes with pumps protect it. OTOH things have been working with ups and downs
since 1960 or so..
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i >> >s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear >> power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??
Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:23:16 +0000) it happened
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote in
<1qq3oyk.wpq4jr3mtoe8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >> >> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-i
s-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear
power plants. They still have to find locations for 3, what if next
doors?? ??
Can they find enough high ground to keep them clear of flooding if
things go badly wrong?
Good question
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/03/mps-back-call-to-build-four-new-nuclear-p >> ower-plants-in-nl/ there is risk of flooding all over this country, dikes
with pumps protect it. OTOH things have been working with ups and downs
since 1960 or so..
Unfortunately the possibility of some malevolent power flooding the
country (or at least using the threat of that as a way of holding Europe
to ransom) is no longer the negligible risk we once thought it was.
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.
Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally,
quickly, where and when needed.
The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.
On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.
Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>quickly, where and when needed.
The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.
The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html
It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?
On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.
Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>quickly, where and when needed.
The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.
The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html
It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>: >>
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen BellemanWhy not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally,
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense. >>>
quickly, where and when needed.
The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.
The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html >>
It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?
That might appease the Greenies, but the Watermellons would still try
to sabotage them.
In the UK at least, nuclear power plants are guarded by armed police.
They're keen to ensure no fuel is stolen and subsequently enriched.
The same would have to be done for small reactors anyway, so that
should give the 'mellons something to think about.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.
Jeroen Belleman
It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.
You can elect to not invest.
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Nukes work fine in France. Actually, they work fine most everywhere
else.
SMRs sound cool, but need to be hardened against greenie saboteurs.
They should be supported by a good fuel recycling/disposal
infrastructure, which, again, is not really a technical problem.
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
On 2024-03-08 16:06, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.
Jeroen Belleman
It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by
private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.
You can elect to not invest.
All?
Not so, many were funded by governments one way or another.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.
On 2024-03-08 21:06, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear >>>> of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.
I don't. I love flying and mountains. Not a problem. I also eat potatoes >frequently.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.
On 3/7/24 7:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.
Like the scouts say, be prepared. For me that means a wood stove for
heating, a generator, a LiFePO4 battery, a solar panel for that, and a
swamp cooler that runs on very little power. Plus lots of rechargeable
lights with exchangeable 19650 cells.
Oh, and ham radio. When the power goes the cell service usually knocks
off 15-200mins later. Landlines drop immediately due to that wonderful
VoIP stuff. That's when I hope neighbors will remember the house with
the strange antennas in case someone has a heart attack, a stroke, a
fire or something else that requires help.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:55:17 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 16:06, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.
Jeroen Belleman
It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by
private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.
You can elect to not invest.
All?
Not so, many were funded by governments one way or another.
Governments usually waste public money, and pour more in when things
go wrong.
Funding research is good. Funding industries is usually boondoogles;
let the market invest and pick the winners.
The best thing government can do for industry is to do less. Less
regulation, less taxation, less support for unions. Business is mobile
via various mechanisms, easy to chase away.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:26:01 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 11:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
Hmm, This comes across as an attempt to seduce investors and
greenies. Not much substance there.
Jeroen Belleman
It's inherent that nearly all useful industries were and are funded by private investment. And I wouldn't expect RR to post their detailed
reactor drawings online.
You can elect to not invest.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>>>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Nukes work fine in France. Actually, they work fine most everywhere
else.
SMRs sound cool, but need to be hardened against greenie saboteurs.
They should be supported by a good fuel recycling/disposal
infrastructure, which, again, is not really a technical problem.
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 06:40:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>: >>
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
Pick a region and tell the locals that they can have a reactor or no electricity. Let them vote.
Near the ocean would be good for cooling.
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:17:19 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 21:06, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen BellemanIt's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear >>>>> of radiation.
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John LarkinThese are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ?? >>>>>>>
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/ >>>>>
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
Stay away from mountains and airplanes and your own cellar. Don't ever
eat bananas or potatoes.
I don't. I love flying and mountains. Not a problem. I also eat potatoes
frequently.
The number of cancers caused by non-Russian reactors is about zero.
Coal power plants emit maybe 10x the radiation per KWH compared to
nukes. Plus a lot of other nasty stuff.
What's shocking is that cigarettes are legal. They kill about half a
million peope in the US every year. A deal was cut to keep them legal,
with the states and feds getting a lot of tax revenue to kill people.
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman >>>><jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally, >>>quickly, where and when needed.
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse >>>>>design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds, >>>>>Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
no risk of flooding then :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station >>>>OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense. >>>
The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
for an SMR.
The more the harder security is.
Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html >>
It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
One for in each car?
So far, fusion doesn't look like it will work in anything smaller than
a star.
Cars work fine on gasoline, or almost even on batteries. It doesn't
make sense for a 100lb person to move 3 tons of steel with them to the >drugstore, but market forces will fix that.
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John
Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in
<h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new
nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
On 3/7/24 7:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america- is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
the dark.
Bitcoin mining is insane. AI, probably, too.
Like the scouts say, be prepared. For me that means a wood stove for
heating, a generator, a LiFePO4 battery, a solar panel for that, and a
swamp cooler that runs on very little power. Plus lots of rechargeable
lights with exchangeable 19650 cells.
Oh, and ham radio. When the power goes the cell service usually knocks
off 15-200mins later. Landlines drop immediately due to that wonderful
VoIP stuff. That's when I hope neighbors will remember the house with
the strange antennas in case someone has a heart attack, a stroke, a
fire or something else that requires help.
On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:56:48 +0100) it happened "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in <gk3sbkx527.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>:
On 2024-03-08 16:01, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 10:40:26 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in >>>>>>> the dark.
Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
years.
Already in development!
https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovation/small-modular-reactors.aspx#/
It's really not a technical problem. The public has an irrational fear
of radiation.
Gosh, it is a very rational fear.
Yes and no, wildlife around Chernobyl is flourishing
mainly because there are no people there to kill it, all evacuated.
The body has a DNA correction mechanism.
If you look at he amount of people killed by nuclear accidents (bombs apart) maybe a few hundred, to the thousands killed each year in coal mining,
by air pollution, etc, nuclear is very safe.
A nuclear power plant accident may cause some areas to be evacuated for while.
But earth is big, times moves, radioactive elements decay.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki: people are living there again these days after it got nuked:
japantimes.co.jp/2023/01/14/special-supplements/hiroshimas-rebound-atomic-bomb-prosperous-regional-hub/
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