The BUF602 is a very well controlled part, 1 GHz bw,
low output impedance, closed-loop gain = 1.00. So I expect
the real oscillator to match the sim very well.

This is a sort-of-Colpitts.


Version 4
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WIRE 912 64 912 32
WIRE 48 80 -32 80
WIRE 176 80 128 80
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WIRE 368 80 304 80
WIRE 432 80 368 80
WIRE 576 80 432 80
WIRE 704 80 576 80
WIRE 864 80 704 80
WIRE 704 112 704 80
WIRE -32 128 -32 80
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WIRE 432 144 432 80
WIRE 576 144 576 80
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WIRE 736 224 704 224
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WIRE 896 224 864 224
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WINDOW 3 -76 61 Left 2
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SYMATTR SpiceLine Rser=0.9
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WINDOW 0 -43 17 Left 2
WINDOW 3 -47 45 Left 2
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WINDOW 3 -44 57 Left 2
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WINDOW 0 -54 20 Left 2
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TEXT 288 -64 Left 2 !.tran 0 500n 0 500f
TEXT 0 -64 Left 2 ;JL Feb 24 2024
TEXT -32 -104 Left 2 ;BUF602 50 MHz Oscillator
TEXT 200 224 Left 2 ;0.9R dc
TEXT 792 40 Left 2 ;BUF602
TEXT 576 -104 Left 2 ;L2 100n F = 50.012
TEXT 576 -72 Left 2 ;L2 120n F = 49.405
TEXT 576 -8 Left 2 ;F ratio 1.012
TEXT 576 -40 Left 2 ;L ratio 1.2
TEXT 600 -136 Left 2 ;L2 Sensitivity
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On 25/02/2024 4:12 am, John Larkin wrote:

The BUF602 is a very well controlled part, 1 GHz bw,
low output impedance, closed-loop gain = 1.00. So I expect
the real oscillator to match the sim very well.

Perhaps. Neither inductor has any parallel capacitance, and L2 hasn't
got any series resistance either.

Replacing L1 with a 150n Wurth ferrite bead, which does come with full
set of data - the part I picked was 742794 WE-CBF 1806 - stopped it from working.

A YAGEO company - Pulse sells a 150nH part you can buy from Mouser

PE-0603CD151GTT 150 @ 250MHz 28 @ 150MHz 990 0.92 2

The 990 number is the series resonant frequency of 990MHz which implies
a parallel capacitance of 17pF. The Q was 28 at 150MHz

Plugging that in, and dropping C1 to 25pF did give a working circuit
with a oscillation frequncy of 50.483012MHz.

The second harmonic was 22dB below the fundamental, and the third was
32db down.

A sim is only as good as the component data you plug in.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:58:13 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 25/02/2024 4:12 am, John Larkin wrote:

The BUF602 is a very well controlled part, 1 GHz bw,
low output impedance, closed-loop gain = 1.00. So I expect
the real oscillator to match the sim very well.

Perhaps. Neither inductor has any parallel capacitance, and L2 hasn't
got any series resistance either.

Stray c will change the frequency slightly, less than component
tolerances.

There's already 40 ohms in series with L2 so a bit more doesn't
matter. About 8 ohms of the 40 is the output impedance of the BUF502.

Replacing L1 with a 150n Wurth ferrite bead, which does come with full
set of data - the part I picked was 742794 WE-CBF 1806 - stopped it from >working.

Sure, oscillators are easy to break if you really want to.

A YAGEO company - Pulse sells a 150nH part you can buy from Mouser

PE-0603CD151GTT 150 @ 250MHz 28 @ 150MHz 990 0.92 2

The 990 number is the series resonant frequency of 990MHz which implies
a parallel capacitance of 17pF. The Q was 28 at 150MHz

Series resonant frequency? 17 pF resonates with 150n at 100 MHz. You
slipped a couple of decimal points. You could use my LC7.exe program.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/h7l4bkx07fjo78rj83na4/LC7.EXE?rlkey=9cpwpna4begf1u8lfdawibwrl&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yio6yl26ag6wqliafeahc/LC7.txt?rlkey=ncfyzyiav8majni507dgc8qzg&dl=0

I'm using a Coilcraft part, 1812SMS-R15GLB. Q is about 100 at 50 MHz.
SRF 750 MHz, so c=0.3 pF, less than the PCB pads and traces. Tempco is
only 40 PPM.

Plugging that in, and dropping C1 to 25pF did give a working circuit
with a oscillation frequncy of 50.483012MHz.

The second harmonic was 22dB below the fundamental, and the third was
32db down.

A sim is only as good as the component data you plug in.

One thing that expedites engineering is knowing which possible effects
don't matter, so can be ignored.

And, I suppose, which people don't matter and can be ignored.

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On 26/02/2024 5:11 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 14:58:13 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 25/02/2024 4:12 am, John Larkin wrote:

The BUF602 is a very well controlled part, 1 GHz bw,
low output impedance, closed-loop gain = 1.00. So I expect
the real oscillator to match the sim very well.

Perhaps. Neither inductor has any parallel capacitance, and L2 hasn't
got any series resistance either.

Stray c will change the frequency slightly, less than component
tolerances.

There's already 40 ohms in series with L2 so a bit more doesn't
matter. About 8 ohms of the 40 is the output impedance of the BUF502.

Replacing L1 with a 150n Wurth ferrite bead, which does come with full
set of data - the part I picked was 742794 WE-CBF 1806 - stopped it from
working.

Sure, oscillators are easy to break if you really want to.

That wasn't the point. The Wurth ferrite bead is on offer in the LTSpice program with all the parameters you need to model it more or less
accurately. There were two other 150nH parts, which I didn't bother
trying - ferrite beads are actually intended to kill oscillations
(though they don't always succeed ).>

A YAGEO company - Pulse sells a 150nH part you can buy from Mouser

PE-0603CD151GTT 150 @ 250MHz 28 @ 150MHz 990 0.92 2

The 990 number is the series resonant frequency of 990MHz which implies
a parallel capacitance of 17pF. The Q was 28 at 150MHz

Series resonant frequency? 17 pF resonates with 150n at 100 MHz. You
slipped a couple of decimal points. You could use my LC7.exe program.

Just one - 99.7MHz. The correct answer is 0.17pF which is remarkably
low. It's about the parallel capacitance of an axial resistor.>

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/h7l4bkx07fjo78rj83na4/LC7.EXE?rlkey=9cpwpna4begf1u8lfdawibwrl&dl=0

Posting an executable program on the web is anti-social. Posting the
code which can be compiled into an executable program is more
respectable, if the code is properly and accurately commented.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yio6yl26ag6wqliafeahc/LC7.txt?rlkey=ncfyzyiav8majni507dgc8qzg&dl=0

It's a trivial program. I should have checked my calculation before I
posted it, but getting it right wouldn't have changed anything.

I'm using a Coilcraft part, 1812SMS-R15GLB. Q is about 100 at 50 MHz.
SRF 750 MHz, so c=0.3 pF, less than the PCB pads and traces. Tempco is
only 40 PPM.

So why didn't you say so, and plug in the parameters you did have for
that part.

Plugging that in, and dropping C1 to 25pF did give a working circuit
with a oscillation frequency of 50.483012MHz.

The second harmonic was 22dB below the fundamental, and the third was
32db down.

I reran the simulation for 35usec - it took ages - and got a much
sharper looking Fourier transform, but with the same harmonics.>>

A sim is only as good as the component data you plug in.

One thing that expedites engineering is knowing which possible effects
don't matter, so can be ignored.

And one thing that screws up engineering really badly is thinking you
know what they are, and getting it wrong.

And, I suppose, which people don't matter and can be ignored.

Which can also get you into trouble if you get it wrong.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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