• Re: Trident missile test fails for second time in a row

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Feb 22 07:29:24 2024
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 09:24:50 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:29:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in ><64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Quite possibly. The only thing British about those missiles is the
    warheads. All the guidance and propulsion systems are from America
    IIRC.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Feb 22 10:07:53 2024
    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is
    unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Thu Feb 22 10:26:50 2024
    On 22/02/2024 10:07, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened
    Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...

    Luckily, it didn't hit our aircraft carrier.

    --
    Cheers
    Clive

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to cd@notformail.com on Thu Feb 22 12:40:58 2024
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:24:50 +0000) it happened Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote in <sk4etidlo9hqf7fohaqcfqkpq9ip0jvkmh@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:29:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in >><64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Quite possibly. The only thing British about those missiles is the
    warheads. All the guidance and propulsion systems are from America
    IIRC.

    The older generations worked on that, bit the same problem
    as they now have few people with deep knowledge to fix that voyager spacecraft:
    https://www.space.com/voyager-1-flight-data-system-glitch

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Thu Feb 22 12:35:34 2024
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 10:07:53 +0000) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <ur76e1$3q9bq$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is >unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...

    Worst is when those things land in the wrong place, maybe a shot in the own goal!
    US had one close to its coast in 1968 when some bomber carrying it crashed:
    https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/left-nuclear-warhead-bottom-ocean-128125
    I do seem to remeber that bomb was recently found.
    And:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Clive Arthur on Thu Feb 22 16:53:55 2024
    On 22/02/2024 10:26, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 10:07, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened
    Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is
    unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...

    Luckily, it didn't hit our aircraft carrier.

    You mean the ornamental target ones with almost no aircraft on?
    It looks quite impressive at sea and has an odd profile.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4f0ed77f-d68d-4aa1-8322-fa87184feae3

    State of the art can also mean edge of unreliability. ISTR our Type 45 destroyers engines sound like a bag of spanners and will overheat if
    used in the tropics (apart from that "minor defect" they are excellent).

    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/09/europe/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.html

    Being plunged into total darkness because the designers never imagined
    that they would deploy to warm tropical seas. You couldn't make it up!

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Thu Feb 22 12:36:13 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:53:55 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 10:26, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 10:07, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened
    Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is
    unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...

    Luckily, it didn't hit our aircraft carrier.

    You mean the ornamental target ones with almost no aircraft on?
    It looks quite impressive at sea and has an odd profile.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4f0ed77f-d68d-4aa1-8322-fa87184feae3

    State of the art can also mean edge of unreliability. ISTR our Type 45 >destroyers engines sound like a bag of spanners and will overheat if
    used in the tropics (apart from that "minor defect" they are excellent).

    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/09/europe/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.html

    Being plunged into total darkness because the designers never imagined
    that they would deploy to warm tropical seas. You couldn't make it up!

    The original use case was to confront the Warsaw Pact in the North
    Atlantic.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Thu Feb 22 21:19:28 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:53:55 +0000, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 22/02/2024 10:26, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 10:07, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened
    Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is
    unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...

    Luckily, it didn't hit our aircraft carrier.

    You mean the ornamental target ones with almost no aircraft on?
    It looks quite impressive at sea and has an odd profile.

    https://www.ft.com/content/4f0ed77f-d68d-4aa1-8322-fa87184feae3

    State of the art can also mean edge of unreliability. ISTR our Type 45 >destroyers engines sound like a bag of spanners and will overheat if
    used in the tropics (apart from that "minor defect" they are excellent).

    https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/09/europe/britain-royal-navy-warships/index.html

    Being plunged into total darkness because the designers never imagined
    that they would deploy to warm tropical seas. You couldn't make it up!

    They've got no legitimate business in "warm tropical seas" anyway. No legitimate business anywhere near Ukraine, either.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 21:41:28 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:29:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in ><64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Does anyone know why the Royal Navy keeps re-cycling the *same old
    names* for their vessels over and over and over and over again? How
    many Arc Royals have there been? How many HMS Vengeances?? The list
    just goes on and on and on and on. How about some more modern names
    like - I don't know - HMS Lee Mack or HMS Elton John?

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Thu Feb 22 21:47:41 2024
    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    ...How
    many Arc Royals have there been?

    None that I know of.

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Feb 22 18:21:22 2024
    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Hah, yes it would be fitting punishment for the world's "leaders" if
    after going and pushing all the buttons they find out they've been
    sitting on a bunch of duds all this time.

    Then they'd only have _us_ to worry about while sitting in their
    bunkers.."Hey remember that time you tried to destroy the world? We'd
    like to talk to you about that..."

    Hope they got a lot of supplies stored because it sounds like a classic
    The Cask of Amontillado situation for them at that point.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Thu Feb 22 18:15:35 2024
    On 2/22/2024 5:07 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 22/02/2024 07:29, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened
    Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    We likely got the end of line Walmart rejects for our "independent"
    nuclear deterrent. To lose one Trident missile on a test launch is unfortunate but to lose two in a row looks like carelessness.

    I wonder what proportion of them will actually work as designed...


    Hopefully nobody's do

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Thu Feb 22 23:45:46 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:47:41 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    ...How
    many Arc Royals have there been?

    None that I know of.

    Alright smart arse. *Ark Royal*s then. A typo. Big fucking deal. I
    really thought better of you. What a fool I was.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Fri Feb 23 14:33:08 2024
    On 23/02/2024 10:45 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:47:41 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    ...How
    many Arc Royals have there been?

    None that I know of.

    Alright smart arse. *Ark Royal*s then. A typo. Big fucking deal. I
    really thought better of you. What a fool I was.

    Cursitor Doom has always been a fool. It's hard to get him to recognise
    this indisputable fact. His persistent passion for the most improbable conspiracy theories suggests that there may be some underlying
    psychopathology, but while that may partially explain the foolishness,
    he's still addicted to fatuous nonsense.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to user@example.net on Fri Feb 23 06:29:29 2024
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:21:22 -0500) it happened bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in <SFQBN.55536$Wbff.7572@fx37.iad>:

    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Hah, yes it would be fitting punishment for the world's "leaders" if
    after going and pushing all the buttons they find out they've been
    sitting on a bunch of duds all this time.

    Then they'd only have _us_ to worry about while sitting in their >bunkers.."Hey remember that time you tried to destroy the world? We'd
    like to talk to you about that..."

    Hope they got a lot of supplies stored because it sounds like a classic
    The Cask of Amontillado situation for them at that point.

    Well I had to look that up:-)

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to cd@notformail.com on Fri Feb 23 06:29:08 2024
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:41:28 +0000) it happened Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote in <pjfftiptaubqlrf1cu5e7kur74u5k76ahg@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 07:29:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in >><64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Does anyone know why the Royal Navy keeps re-cycling the *same old
    names* for their vessels over and over and over and over again? How
    many Arc Royals have there been? How many HMS Vengeances?? The list
    just goes on and on and on and on. How about some more modern names
    like - I don't know - HMS Lee Mack or HMS Elton John?

    Yea Elton is a very good piano player, I look at him
    playing (video) and try to learn from it.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Feb 23 02:53:07 2024
    On 2/23/2024 1:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:21:22 -0500) it happened bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in <SFQBN.55536$Wbff.7572@fx37.iad>:

    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Hah, yes it would be fitting punishment for the world's "leaders" if
    after going and pushing all the buttons they find out they've been
    sitting on a bunch of duds all this time.

    Then they'd only have _us_ to worry about while sitting in their
    bunkers.."Hey remember that time you tried to destroy the world? We'd
    like to talk to you about that..."

    Hope they got a lot of supplies stored because it sounds like a classic
    The Cask of Amontillado situation for them at that point.

    Well I had to look that up:-)

    Yeah, they had us reading that charming stuff in 7th-8th grade in the US
    (12-13 y/o) 30 years ago. but meanwhile we've got citizens walking
    around in 2024 saying a story with gays in it is going to cause too much psychological harm to children.

    But hey sure just give us a story about a guy murdering a guy by walling
    him up in a dungeon and call it "classic literature" yeah that's fine
    for kids to read. that's cool.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 09:57:18 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 14:33:08 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 23/02/2024 10:45 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:47:41 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    ...How
    many Arc Royals have there been?

    None that I know of.

    Alright smart arse. *Ark Royal*s then. A typo. Big fucking deal. I
    really thought better of you. What a fool I was.

    Cursitor Doom has always been a fool. It's hard to get him to recognise
    this indisputable fact. His persistent passion for the most improbable >conspiracy theories suggests that there may be some underlying >psychopathology, but while that may partially explain the foolishness,
    he's still addicted to fatuous nonsense.

    Bill Sloman: Usenet's Voice of Reason.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Feb 25 10:16:22 2024
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 02:53:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

    On 2/23/2024 1:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:21:22 -0500) it happened bitrex
    <user@example.net> wrote in <SFQBN.55536$Wbff.7572@fx37.iad>:

    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    Hard to believe this is accidental after two consecutive tests.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68355395

    US nukes likely do not work either :-)

    Hah, yes it would be fitting punishment for the world's "leaders" if
    after going and pushing all the buttons they find out they've been
    sitting on a bunch of duds all this time.

    Then they'd only have _us_ to worry about while sitting in their
    bunkers.."Hey remember that time you tried to destroy the world? We'd
    like to talk to you about that..."

    Hope they got a lot of supplies stored because it sounds like a classic
    The Cask of Amontillado situation for them at that point.

    Well I had to look that up:-)

    Yeah, they had us reading that charming stuff in 7th-8th grade in the US >(12-13 y/o) 30 years ago. but meanwhile we've got citizens walking
    around in 2024 saying a story with gays in it is going to cause too much >psychological harm to children.

    But hey sure just give us a story about a guy murdering a guy by walling
    him up in a dungeon and call it "classic literature" yeah that's fine
    for kids to read. that's cool.


    Well, you should have been instructed to read *English* literature
    rather than some silly American nonsense. It was Thomas Hardy when I
    was at school (rather a long time ago).

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Feb 26 00:46:03 2024
    On 25/02/2024 9:16 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 02:53:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 2/23/2024 1:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:21:22 -0500) it happened bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in <SFQBN.55536$Wbff.7572@fx37.iad>:
    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    <snip>

    Well, you should have been instructed to read *English* literature
    rather than some silly American nonsense. It was Thomas Hardy when I
    was at school (rather a long time ago).

    Trollope is rather better on moral questions. Thomas Love Peacock is
    more fun. Hardy wasn't much more interesting than Barbara Cartland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Cartland

    Jane Austen is infinitely better than either of them. John Larkin likes
    her, but that's not her fault.

    At secondary school I got stuck with

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_Under_Arms

    which was pure Australian nationalism, or silly Australian nonsense if
    you prefer. Edgar Allan Poe was American, and the impulse to get
    Americans to read his novels is unedifying American nationalism of a
    similar sort.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 25 17:41:51 2024
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 00:46:03 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 25/02/2024 9:16 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 02:53:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 2/23/2024 1:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:21:22 -0500) it happened bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in <SFQBN.55536$Wbff.7572@fx37.iad>:
    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    <snip>

    Well, you should have been instructed to read *English* literature
    rather than some silly American nonsense. It was Thomas Hardy when I
    was at school (rather a long time ago).

    Trollope is rather better on moral questions. Thomas Love Peacock is
    more fun. Hardy wasn't much more interesting than Barbara Cartland.

    You astonish me, Bill! Have you actually read any Trollope? His
    writing's dripping with anti-Semitism. I'd have thought as a Jewish
    man you would have found him repulsive. As far as Barbara Cartland is concerned, there is simply no comparison with Hardy; not remotely.
    Have you actually *read* any fiction at all??

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Cartland

    Jane Austen is infinitely better than either of them. John Larkin likes
    her, but that's not her fault.

    At secondary school I got stuck with

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_Under_Arms

    which was pure Australian nationalism, or silly Australian nonsense if
    you prefer. Edgar Allan Poe was American, and the impulse to get
    Americans to read his novels is unedifying American nationalism of a
    similar sort.

    Sounds awful. I'd have thought if they must inflict Australian
    "literature" on school children they'd have been better of with Nevil
    Shute. He was still garbage, but at least more suitable for kids. Or
    should I say, a bit less unsuitable.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Feb 26 15:14:24 2024
    On 25/02/2024 8:57 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 14:33:08 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 23/02/2024 10:45 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:47:41 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

    ...How
    many Arc Royals have there been?

    None that I know of.

    Alright smart arse. *Ark Royal*s then. A typo. Big fucking deal. I
    really thought better of you. What a fool I was.

    Cursitor Doom has always been a fool. It's hard to get him to recognise
    this indisputable fact. His persistent passion for the most improbable
    conspiracy theories suggests that there may be some underlying
    psychopathology, but while that may partially explain the foolishness,
    he's still addicted to fatuous nonsense.

    Bill Sloman: Usenet's Voice of Reason.

    Cursitor Doom thinks he is being satirical.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Mon Feb 26 15:35:21 2024
    On 26/02/2024 4:41 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 00:46:03 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 25/02/2024 9:16 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 02:53:07 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 2/23/2024 1:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:21:22 -0500) it happened bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in <SFQBN.55536$Wbff.7572@fx37.iad>:
    On 2/22/2024 2:29 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2024 06:35:48 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <64e05753-9950-4c18-b51f-b5f00e94b67bn@googlegroups.com>:

    <snip>

    Well, you should have been instructed to read *English* literature
    rather than some silly American nonsense. It was Thomas Hardy when I
    was at school (rather a long time ago).

    Trollope is rather better on moral questions. Thomas Love Peacock is
    more fun. Hardy wasn't much more interesting than Barbara Cartland.

    You astonish me, Bill! Have you actually read any Trollope? His
    writing's dripping with anti-Semitism. I'd have thought as a Jewish
    man you would have found him repulsive. As far as Barbara Cartland is concerned, there is simply no comparison with Hardy; not remotely.
    Have you actually *read* any fiction at all??

    Since I'm not Jewish - Sloman is a west country name and shows up a lot
    in Taunton, and my great-grandfather sailed out of Bristol around 1850 -
    I can be excused for not noticing. England as a whole was pretty
    anti-semitic at the time, which didn't stop Disraeli from doing well.
    And I have read quite a lot of Trollope. He sold into the same market as Charles Dickens and is less sentimental

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Cartland

    Jane Austen is infinitely better than either of them. John Larkin likes
    her, but that's not her fault.

    At secondary school I got stuck with

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbery_Under_Arms

    which was pure Australian nationalism, or silly Australian nonsense if
    you prefer. Edgar Allan Poe was American, and the impulse to get
    Americans to read his novels is unedifying American nationalism of a
    similar sort.

    Sounds awful.

    It was pretty bad. I was reading much better books than that when I got
    stuck with that at secondary school.

    I'd have thought if they must inflict Australian
    "literature" on school children they'd have been better of with Nevil
    Shute. He was still garbage, but at least more suitable for kids. Or
    should I say, a bit less unsuitable.

    Nevil Shute Norway was British. He did emigrate to Australia after the
    WW2 and died there, but he never became an Australian citizen, and he
    was never seen as an Australian novelist, and his books weren't seen as literature. A cut above Barbara Cartland, but still commercial.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevil_Shute

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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