These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:33:10 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being charged.
Engineers are supposed to have that kind of imagination. John Larkin may just have confessed to not being an engineer.
In this case, the problem of fast charging a a solid state battery could be solved by fast charging from a big static solid state battery at the charging station.
The grid could recharge the static battery between recharges.
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being
charged.
Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:33:10?AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being charged.
Engineers are supposed to have that kind of imagination. John Larkin may just have confessed to not being an engineer.
In this case, the problem of fast charging a a solid state battery could be solved by fast charging from a big static solid state battery at the charging station.
The grid could recharge the static battery between recharges.
Yup. And that "big battery" will be charging one car per day so it could >recharge to provide that megawatt fast charge.
Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:33:10?AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being charged.
Engineers are supposed to have that kind of imagination. John Larkin may just have confessed to not being an engineer.
In this case, the problem of fast charging a a solid state battery could be solved by fast charging from a big static solid state battery at the charging station.
The grid could recharge the static battery between recharges.
Yup. And that "big battery" will be charging one car per day so it could >recharge to provide that megawatt fast charge.
On 2024/01/27 7:31 a.m., John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being
charged.
The story is from 2021...nothing has been added to it apparently.
It would be nice if it worked out, but we all know manufacturers have >marketing departments that don't always know what they are talking about.
As for a megawatt charging, this might make short term storage options
useful - something that takes a while to charge but could release it
quickly under load.
John :-#)#
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 5:54:25?AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 06:13:50 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn
<k...@koi8.net> wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:Indeed! So who'd be stupid enough to invest big buxx in installing
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:33:10?AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred BloggsEngineers are supposed to have that kind of imagination. John Larkin may just have confessed to not being an engineer.
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being charged. >> >>
In this case, the problem of fast charging a a solid state battery could be solved by fast charging from a big static solid state battery at the charging station.
The grid could recharge the static battery between recharges.
Yup. And that "big battery" will be charging one car per day so it could
recharge to provide that megawatt fast charge.
that "big battery" with its accompanying infrastructure for such an
insignificant clientele?
Somebody with enough industry and foresight to know a profit making venture, especially one that will eventually become huge, and soon, should be pursued?
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:33:10?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being
charged.
There's this Megawatt Charging System that's been in the works to provide for the long haul electric trucks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System
It's already being built out in places like Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 03:32:17 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 5:54:25?AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 06:13:50 -0000 (UTC), Sergey Kubushyn
<k...@koi8.net> wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:Indeed! So who'd be stupid enough to invest big buxx in installing
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:33:10?AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred BloggsEngineers are supposed to have that kind of imagination. John Larkin may just have confessed to not being an engineer.
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.
Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being charged. >>> >>
In this case, the problem of fast charging a a solid state battery could be solved by fast charging from a big static solid state battery at the charging station.
The grid could recharge the static battery between recharges.
Yup. And that "big battery" will be charging one car per day so it could >>> >recharge to provide that megawatt fast charge.
that "big battery" with its accompanying infrastructure for such an
insignificant clientele?
Somebody with enough industry and foresight to know a profit making venture, especially one that will eventually become huge, and soon, should be pursued?
Enthusiasm for electric cars may have peaked.
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 05:02:40 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:33:10?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 07:18:29 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
These may be fielded as soon as 2025. Whenever it happens, it's game over for just about everybody else in the industry. Hard to imagine 10-minute charging of battery banks with this capacity.Yes, that's hard to imagine. Ballpark a megawatt per car being
charged.
There's this Megawatt Charging System that's been in the works to provide for the long haul electric trucks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System
It's already being built out in places like Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt_Charging_System
The charging cable will be awesome. Definitely not for self-service
charging of Honda Fits.
I wonder if the charging cable will become part of the car. It would be like plugging in a household fan or whatever.
Could some creative soul rig up some sort of cable reel for them? It would take up a lot of space, though.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:49:54 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
On 1/28/2024 2:25 PM, Dean wrote:
I wonder if the charging cable will become part of the car. It would be like plugging in a household fan or whatever.Why not a (standardized) "dock" that the car drives up-to/on-to and
Could some creative soul rig up some sort of cable reel for them? It would take up a lot of space, though.
honking big contacts connect to plates on the underside of the vehicle?
(isn't that how the robot vacuum cleaners take on charge?)
What to do about the dirt, gravel, etc. that gets on vehicles? The bad connections would create heat. I live in a rural area. Gravel roads are common.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:21:19?PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:that cause for the spring loading?
On 1/28/2024 3:47 PM, Dean wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:49:54?PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:The contacts could be behind spring-loaded (or otherwise secured) "doors", >> opened as part of the mating "ritual". This would also ensure they
On 1/28/2024 2:25 PM, Dean wrote:
I wonder if the charging cable will become part of the car. It would be like plugging in a household fan or whatever.Why not a (standardized) "dock" that the car drives up-to/on-to and
Could some creative soul rig up some sort of cable reel for them? It would take up a lot of space, though.
honking big contacts connect to plates on the underside of the vehicle? >> >> (isn't that how the robot vacuum cleaners take on charge?)
What to do about the dirt, gravel, etc. that gets on vehicles? The bad connections would create heat. I live in a rural area. Gravel roads are common.
weren't casually accessible by worker-bees...
I wonder how that would work in snowy places. Nighttime freezing and daytime thawing. The moisture/dirt gets to the charging area during the day when someone is driving then freezes at night when the vehicle is parked. What problems would
Differing vehicle heights? How to get drivers to properly align the charging components on the bottom of the vehicle with the actual charger?
I used to fix things for a living so I'm a pessimist.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:21:19 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
On 1/28/2024 3:47 PM, Dean wrote:
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 3:49:54 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:The contacts could be behind spring-loaded (or otherwise secured) "doors", >> opened as part of the mating "ritual". This would also ensure they
On 1/28/2024 2:25 PM, Dean wrote:
I wonder if the charging cable will become part of the car. It would be like plugging in a household fan or whatever.Why not a (standardized) "dock" that the car drives up-to/on-to and
Could some creative soul rig up some sort of cable reel for them? It would take up a lot of space, though.
honking big contacts connect to plates on the underside of the vehicle? >>>> (isn't that how the robot vacuum cleaners take on charge?)
What to do about the dirt, gravel, etc. that gets on vehicles? The bad connections would create heat. I live in a rural area. Gravel roads are common.
weren't casually accessible by worker-bees...
I wonder how that would work in snowy places. Nighttime freezing and daytime thawing.
The moisture/dirt gets to the charging area during the day when someone is driving then
freezes at night when the vehicle is parked. What problems would that cause for the
spring loading?
Differing vehicle heights? How to get drivers to properly align the charging components
on the bottom of the vehicle with the actual charger?
I used to fix things for a living so I'm a pessimist.
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