• The Quest for Speed - Book Recommendation

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 21 10:23:28 2024
    Gentlemen,

    I'm trying to source a book specifically on this subject. Almost from
    the day the EM sine wave was discovered, ingenious people have been
    striving to convey ever increasing dv/dt signals over networks as the
    demand for higher and higher frequencies arose. I'm interested in how
    the early pioneers in this field were able to overcome the speed
    issues they faced with the clunky and primitive components they had to
    work with in the early days. Suggestions for any books which are
    reasonably easy to find on this subject would be welcome.

    Thanks,
    CD.

    PS - I'm old enough to remember the days when we would disassemble
    xtals (they *were* disassemble-able many years ago) and abrade them
    down to diaphanous wafers using a glass sheet and scouring powder in
    the quest for a few more Khz!

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 21 09:45:25 2024
    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:23:28 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Gentlemen,

    I'm trying to source a book specifically on this subject. Almost from
    the day the EM sine wave was discovered, ingenious people have been
    striving to convey ever increasing dv/dt signals over networks as the
    demand for higher and higher frequencies arose. I'm interested in how
    the early pioneers in this field were able to overcome the speed
    issues they faced with the clunky and primitive components they had to
    work with in the early days. Suggestions for any books which are
    reasonably easy to find on this subject would be welcome.

    Thanks,
    CD.

    PS - I'm old enough to remember the days when we would disassemble
    xtals (they *were* disassemble-able many years ago) and abrade them
    down to diaphanous wafers using a glass sheet and scouring powder in
    the quest for a few more Khz!

    The people who built telegraphs didn't understand transmission lines.
    The first transatlantic telegraph cable was crazy slow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_telegraph_cable#Communication_speeds

    Some equilization helped.

    The first long-distance telephone lines had a similar problem.
    Periodic "loading coils" improved bandwidth. When I was a kid, used 88
    mH toroidal loading coils could be had cheap, so I played with them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_coil

    Fast modern busses, like PCIe, wouldn't work without massive adaptive equilization. The signals look like noise after a few inches of pcb
    trace and connectors.

    I remember the big WWII surplus crystals that you could take apart
    with a screwdriver. I had access to a shed full of stolen WWII radio
    gear, and they were mysterious to me.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 22 17:36:33 2024
    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:45:25 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:23:28 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    Gentlemen,

    I'm trying to source a book specifically on this subject. Almost from
    the day the EM sine wave was discovered, ingenious people have been >>striving to convey ever increasing dv/dt signals over networks as the >>demand for higher and higher frequencies arose. I'm interested in how
    the early pioneers in this field were able to overcome the speed
    issues they faced with the clunky and primitive components they had to
    work with in the early days. Suggestions for any books which are
    reasonably easy to find on this subject would be welcome.

    Thanks,
    CD.

    PS - I'm old enough to remember the days when we would disassemble
    xtals (they *were* disassemble-able many years ago) and abrade them
    down to diaphanous wafers using a glass sheet and scouring powder in
    the quest for a few more Khz!

    The people who built telegraphs didn't understand transmission lines.
    The first transatlantic telegraph cable was crazy slow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_telegraph_cable#Communication_speeds

    Some equilization helped.

    The first long-distance telephone lines had a similar problem.
    Periodic "loading coils" improved bandwidth. When I was a kid, used 88
    mH toroidal loading coils could be had cheap, so I played with them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_coil

    Fast modern busses, like PCIe, wouldn't work without massive adaptive >equilization. The signals look like noise after a few inches of pcb
    trace and connectors.

    I remember the big WWII surplus crystals that you could take apart
    with a screwdriver. I had access to a shed full of stolen WWII radio
    gear, and they were mysterious to me.


    Those *were* interesting articles for sure. I'm just looking for a
    book on the subject, though. Planar Microwave Engineering does have a
    fair bit of historical context and development in it, but isn't
    specifically devoted to the historical aspects. The search goes on....

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 22 11:44:16 2024
    On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 17:36:33 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:45:25 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:23:28 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>wrote:

    Gentlemen,

    I'm trying to source a book specifically on this subject. Almost from
    the day the EM sine wave was discovered, ingenious people have been >>>striving to convey ever increasing dv/dt signals over networks as the >>>demand for higher and higher frequencies arose. I'm interested in how
    the early pioneers in this field were able to overcome the speed
    issues they faced with the clunky and primitive components they had to >>>work with in the early days. Suggestions for any books which are >>>reasonably easy to find on this subject would be welcome.

    Thanks,
    CD.

    PS - I'm old enough to remember the days when we would disassemble
    xtals (they *were* disassemble-able many years ago) and abrade them
    down to diaphanous wafers using a glass sheet and scouring powder in
    the quest for a few more Khz!

    The people who built telegraphs didn't understand transmission lines.
    The first transatlantic telegraph cable was crazy slow.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_telegraph_cable#Communication_speeds

    Some equilization helped.

    The first long-distance telephone lines had a similar problem.
    Periodic "loading coils" improved bandwidth. When I was a kid, used 88
    mH toroidal loading coils could be had cheap, so I played with them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loading_coil

    Fast modern busses, like PCIe, wouldn't work without massive adaptive >>equilization. The signals look like noise after a few inches of pcb
    trace and connectors.

    I remember the big WWII surplus crystals that you could take apart
    with a screwdriver. I had access to a shed full of stolen WWII radio
    gear, and they were mysterious to me.


    Those *were* interesting articles for sure. I'm just looking for a
    book on the subject, though. Planar Microwave Engineering does have a
    fair bit of historical context and development in it, but isn't
    specifically devoted to the historical aspects. The search goes on....

    HoJo's Black Magic book would have been great. But it's half nonsense,
    and if you can tell which half is silly, you don't need the book.

    The old Motorola ECL handbook is at least helpful. Don't believe the
    trace impedance equations. Use the Saturn software.

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