And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.pumps, defame EVs.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:07:43?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
old 50-year almanac is thrown out the window. They can't begin to take these huge hits. It really doesn't sound like excess CO2 is good for anybody.The US accounts for 14% of world CO2 and that will decline greatly as
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
developing countries keep developing. China and India build a coal
power plant every few days, and people in Africa want electricity and
trucks.
There is no giant plastic dome over the USA, or Berkeley CA, that
makes our emissions control our weather.
And CO2 is good for the planet. We need more and, fortunately, will
get it.
The damage tally for the NOAA list for 2023 is just shy of 60 Bn$, who do you think is paying for that? Then the insurance industry is bailing left and right in disaster prone areas, that would be as indicated by more recent short term statistics, the
Hey, I found a web site that you will love:
https://endtimeheadlines.org/
That doesn't look very scientific.
On Thu Jan 11 05:48:45 2024 Fred Bloggs wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
others. Quoting justthenews:
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
There's at least one report, not peer reviewed yet, that severely criticizes that report. See https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/study-finds-problems-noaas-scientific-integrity-reporting-billion-dollar for one article, I'm sure there are
The studys author, Dr. Roger Pielke Jr., professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder, has done extensive research over nearly three decades into the trends of disaster costs over time, which show the trends are actuallydeclining.
Pielkes research normalizes the disaster costs, which means he adjusts for differences in wealth over time. Pielke explains why this is important in an article on his The Honest Broker Substack. If a category 3 hurricane hit Miami Beach in 1926, itwould impact far less development than a storm of equal intensity hitting the beach today. Without controlling for these differences, Pielke writes, its impossible to reliably determine trends.
In a preprint released last week, Pielke evaluates the methods NOAA uses to calculate billion-dollar disasters. He finds that the data NOAA publishes lacks transparency that would allow the sources of the data to be verified. This doesnt follow theagencys own guidelines for scientific integrity, the study notes. Likewise, the cost figures are not normalized, which produces misleading results. The agency is also, according to the study, incorrectly attributing the trends to changes in climate over
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.pumps, defame EVs.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
Tell it like it is Rush!
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <jim@afraid.org> wrote:
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
Tell it like it is Rush!
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
Then we'd die of heat exhaustion. They have hedged their "science" to be "climate
change" now so that whatever happens, they were right.
That's the story when predicting future states of strongly chaotic
systems. Most any predictions are eventually true.
It's nice day here. We finally had a bunch of rain and I expect thatGlobal warming science needs to integrate a few more observations than that.
our seasonal creek is running again. And there's snow in the
mountains.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:07:43 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggsas possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new >technologies, such as cold weather heat pumps, defame EVs.
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as >possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much
people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for
as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
The US accounts for 14% of world CO2 and that will decline greatly as
developing countries keep developing.
The US accounts for just 4% of the world's population.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=table
At 14.9 tonnes per head it is just behind Australia (15.0 tonnes per head).
China and India build a coal power plant every few days, and peoplein Africa want electricity and trucks.
China is also building solar farms at a huge rate - it's got more
renewable energy generation capacity than the rest of the world put
together. Their new coal-fired power stations are around 40% efficient
and replace old 8% efficient coal fired generators, and are as much a
back up for renewables as they are base-line generators. Battery and
pumped storage are coming on, but they haven't got it a lot of it yet.
Africa wants energy - and it no longer has to burn fossil carbon to get
it. Renewables are a cheaper source, and you can buy renewablle
generating capacity in much smaller chunks, and skip the nation-wdie
grid to distribute it.
There is no giant plastic dome over the USA, or Berkeley CA, thatmakes our emissions control our weather.
But your emissions still control your weather, and everybody else's.
And CO2 is good for the planet. We need more and, fortunately, will get it.
It isn't. More CO2 may help weeds, but it creates other problems that
don't help the plants that we grow for food.,
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:22:57?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
tropospheric base of the vortex have pinched it in two. It was so severe this year they were expecting the tropospheric jet stream to come to a complete halt and possibly even reverse direction. The major end result is this fragmented dual polar vortexGlobal Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
That sounds sarcastic but it's actually scientifically factual. The exceedingly warm atmospheric temperatures and their accompanying high pressure have produced a sudden warming of the stratospheric polar vortex. The high pressure regions acting on the
So, yep, you're right, global warming has in fact produced exceedingly cold winter weather across the U.S.increase nonlinearly. Best estimates are that the current level of energy imbalance is equivalent to atmospheric CO2 concentration of 500 ppm.
Global warming is much more involved than just high temperatures. It is mainly high climate energy, and with that comes highly erratic and extreme weather. And there's an added bonus: the sensitivity of climate response to the Earth energy imbalance
2023 was an example of 1.5oC temperature rise, it's here to stay, and the climate is accelerating to 10oC.
Enjoy watching your children die, because there's nothing that can be done to save them.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 05:15:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:22:57?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
the tropospheric base of the vortex have pinched it in two. It was so severe this year they were expecting the tropospheric jet stream to come to a complete halt and possibly even reverse direction. The major end result is this fragmented dual polarGlobal Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
That sounds sarcastic but it's actually scientifically factual. The exceedingly warm atmospheric temperatures and their accompanying high pressure have produced a sudden warming of the stratospheric polar vortex. The high pressure regions acting on
increase nonlinearly. Best estimates are that the current level of energy imbalance is equivalent to atmospheric CO2 concentration of 500 ppm.
So, yep, you're right, global warming has in fact produced exceedingly cold winter weather across the U.S.
Global warming is much more involved than just high temperatures. It is mainly high climate energy, and with that comes highly erratic and extreme weather. And there's an added bonus: the sensitivity of climate response to the Earth energy imbalance
I'd vote for 800.
Climate Change is more a social+political thing than a physical event.
The public is bored with it already.
2023 was an example of 1.5oC temperature rise, it's here to stay, and the climate is accelerating to 10oC.
Enjoy watching your children die, because there's nothing that can be done to save them.
Absurd. People are healthier and living longer than in past times, and
the trend is still up. I expect some serious advances in disease and
cancer treatment in this century, and of course better lives for the
billions now in extreme poverty.
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:26:44 PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <j...@afraid.org> wrote:
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
The warming is seen in the world temperature map.
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/nasa-scientist-on-2023-temperatures-were-frankly-astonished/>
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
That's a lie. We've heard it before, and it doesn't pass factchecking.
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:07:43 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:pumps, defame EVs.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 05:48:45 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
And these estimates by NOAA are considered conservative.
All the while U.S. is racing to produce as much gas and petroleum as possible. Manmade GHG emissions are increasing. Morons are doing as much as possible to obstruct conversion to renewable energy, defame new technologies, such as cold weather heat
Democracy is clearly not working, or, maybe it is if you allow for people getting their just deserts as a benefit, some kind of correction as the finance industry describes disaster.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2023?disasters[]=all-disasters
The US accounts for 14% of world CO2 and that will decline greatly as
developing countries keep developing. China and India build a coal
power plant every few days, and people in Africa want electricity and
trucks.
There is no giant plastic dome over the USA, or Berkeley CA, that
makes our emissions control our weather.
Excellent observation. It won't be necessary to address a dome problem
in those regions.
On 1/14/24 10:39, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:26:44?PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <j...@afraid.org> wrote:
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
The warming is seen in the world temperature map.
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/nasa-scientist-on-2023-temperatures-were-frankly-astonished/>
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
That's a lie. We've heard it before, and it doesn't pass factchecking.
I don't agree. I remember it well. In the 1960's we had a
spade of very cold winters and the scare of the time was that
it would get worse. It didn't.
Today's climatologists will deny it, of course, but it was
really what they told us at the time. And of course, there
were dissidents then too.
Jeroen Belleman
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:08:27 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 1/14/24 10:39, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:26:44?PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <j...@afraid.org> wrote: >>>>
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
The warming is seen in the world temperature map.
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/nasa-scientist-on-2023-temperatures-were-frankly-astonished/>
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
That's a lie. We've heard it before, and it doesn't pass factchecking.
I don't agree. I remember it well. In the 1960's we had a
spade of very cold winters and the scare of the time was that
it would get worse. It didn't.
Today's climatologists will deny it, of course, but it was
really what they told us at the time. And of course, there
were dissidents then too.
Jeroen Belleman
Yes, my wife and I remember it as well.
"The Cooling World", Newsweek, April 28, 1975, page 64.
It was called Global Cooling, and peaked in the 1970s or so, giving
way to Global Warming. The following describes the transition:
"Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing", by Walter Sullivan,
NWT May 21, 1975, page 45.
Later still, it transitioned to Climate Change when the heating did
not proceed as predicted.
Joe Gwinn
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:08:27 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 1/14/24 10:39, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:26:44?PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <j...@afraid.org> wrote: >>>>
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
The warming is seen in the world temperature map.
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/nasa-scientist-on-2023-temperatures-were-frankly-astonished/>
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
That's a lie. We've heard it before, and it doesn't pass factchecking.
I don't agree. I remember it well. In the 1960's we had a
spade of very cold winters and the scare of the time was that
it would get worse. It didn't.
Today's climatologists will deny it, of course, but it was
really what they told us at the time. And of course, there
were dissidents then too.
Jeroen Belleman
Yes, my wife and I remember it as well.
"The Cooling World", Newsweek, April 28, 1975, page 64.
It was called Global Cooling, and peaked in the 1970s or so, giving
way to Global Warming. The following describes the transition:
"Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing", by Walter Sullivan,
NWT May 21, 1975, page 45.
Later still, it transitioned to Climate Change when the heating did
not proceed as predicted.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 11:23:10 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:08:27 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 1/14/24 10:39, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:26:44?PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:I don't agree. I remember it well. In the 1960's we had a
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <j...@afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
The warming is seen in the world temperature map.
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/nasa-scientist-on-2023-temperatures-were-frankly-astonished/>
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
That's a lie. We've heard it before, and it doesn't pass factchecking. >>>
spade of very cold winters and the scare of the time was that
it would get worse. It didn't.
Today's climatologists will deny it, of course, but it was
really what they told us at the time. And of course, there
were dissidents then too.
Jeroen Belleman
Yes, my wife and I remember it as well.
"The Cooling World", Newsweek, April 28, 1975, page 64.
It was called Global Cooling, and peaked in the 1970s or so, giving
way to Global Warming. The following describes the transition:
"Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing", by Walter Sullivan,
NWT May 21, 1975, page 45.
Later still, it transitioned to Climate Change when the heating did
not proceed as predicted.
Everything is about on schedule.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/MilankovitchCyclesOrbitandCores.png/660px-MilankovitchCyclesOrbitandCores.png
We can probably geoegineer away the worst of the coming ice age.
On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:23:28?AM UTC-8, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:08:27 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
<jer...@nospam.please> wrote:
On 1/14/24 10:39, whit3rd wrote:
On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 2:26:44?PM UTC-8, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 15:34:51 -0500, jim whitby <j...@afraid.org> wrote: >> >>>
On 1/12/24 12:21, John Larkin wrote:
<snip>
Global Warming is now "life threatening cold" in mid-USA.
The warming is seen in the world temperature map.
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/nasa-scientist-on-2023-temperatures-were-frankly-astonished/>
Once the climate experts said we'd all freeze to death.
That's a lie. We've heard it before, and it doesn't pass factchecking.
I don't agree. I remember it well. In the 1960's we had a
spade of very cold winters and the scare of the time was that
it would get worse. It didn't.
Today's climatologists will deny it, of course, but it was
really what they told us at the time. And of course, there
were dissidents then too.
No denial is necessary. Science makes progress, and
peer review (looks like dissident activity) happens.
No news there, it was just another add-a-piece to the
big spreadsheet full of climate effects.
Sometimes the piece is UP, sometimes DOWN, sometimes
oscillatory. Until greenhouse gas changes, there was no
'scare of the time' happening.
Yes, my wife and I remember it as well.
"The Cooling World", Newsweek, April 28, 1975, page 64.
It was called Global Cooling, and peaked in the 1970s or so, giving
way to Global Warming. The following describes the transition:
"Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing", by Walter Sullivan,
NYT May 21, 1975, page 45.
Later still, it transitioned to Climate Change when the heating did
not proceed as predicted.
Nonsense. The 1970s story was about smog (and subsequent air-quality >improvements killed the effect). Entirely different issues and solutions, and
more importantly, NEVER a prediction of long term deviation
from normality.
Here's an account you can read without a trip to a library ><https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/>
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 9:30:19 AM UTC-8, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:19:30 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:23:28?AM UTC-8, Joe Gwinn wrote:
Easier isn't necessarily better. This ScAm article was written in"Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing", by Walter Sullivan,
NYT May 21, 1975, page 45.
Later still, it transitioned to Climate Change when the heating did
not proceed as predicted.
Nonsense. ...
Here's an account you can read without a trip to a library
<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/>
2014, but it actually doesn't matter if the author changed his mind
forty years after the fact.
Oh, facts as the author relates are also the facts I recall. NO ONE
thought there was a scare, just a bit if extra-dramatic headline composition.
We are talking about what people believed in the 1970s, when it was in
fact Global Cooling that people worried about.
No, not in fact. That's a fiction. It was a news blip, no one was scared. The connection to our current concerns is a fabrication with no merit.
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 9:30:19?AM UTC-8, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:19:30 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:23:28?AM UTC-8, Joe Gwinn wrote:
Easier isn't necessarily better. This ScAm article was written in"Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing", by Walter Sullivan,
NYT May 21, 1975, page 45.
Later still, it transitioned to Climate Change when the heating did
not proceed as predicted.
Nonsense. ...
Here's an account you can read without a trip to a library
<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/>
2014, but it actually doesn't matter if the author changed his mind
forty years after the fact.
Oh, facts as the author relates are also the facts I recall. NO ONE
thought there was a scare, just a bit if extra-dramatic headline composition.
We are talking about what people believed in the 1970s, when it was in
fact Global Cooling that people worried about.
No, not in fact. That's a fiction. It was a news blip, no one was scared. >The connection to our current concerns is a fabrication with no merit.
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