Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Your pal,
CD.
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Your pal,
CD.
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Your pal,--
CD.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48?PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makeThank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
I'm celebrating the--
holiday by moving and restacking a cord of firewood up 50 stairs (with
some hired assistance).
Have a great holiday, everyone!Likewise and may your 2023 tax deductions eventually be accepted by
your taxing authority.
Your pal,
CD.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/ >> >
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48?PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makeThank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
Ron Zacapa 23
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 09:33:46 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:
Ron Zacapa 23
John, you can't seriously expect me to drink *rum* over Christmas. I'm >flabbergasted by such a suggestion , quite frankly. In any event, this >concoction is, it would appear, not what it claims to be:
"Ron Zacapa Centenario Sistema Solera 23 is a versatile sweetened rum
that can be enjoyed neat or in cocktails. But if you care about the
source of your spirits, there are better options: Zacapas packaging
misleads consumers into believing its aged longer than it is, and it >includes additives like sugar and artificial coloring. "
See the whole review here: >https://www.liquor.com/ron-zacapa-centenario-23-review-5218869
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote: >> >> >> Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makehttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >> >> >> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not >> >> >> - and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization.
wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> >> >> Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makehttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>> >> >> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >>> >> >> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>> >> >> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization.
wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars
can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing
to learn.
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 19:38:26 -0800 (PST), John Smiht
<utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48?PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makeThank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
Hanukkah finished on the 15th of Decemeber as well.
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 17:57:49 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 19:38:26 -0800 (PST), John Smiht
<utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48?PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> >>>> wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makeThank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >>>>> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not >>>>> - and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
Hanukkah finished on the 15th of Decemeber as well.
Which calendar would you trust? The 12 or 13 month Hebrew calendar,
which has been functional since the creating of the world (5784 years)
with little maintenance beyond adding an extra month 7 times every 19
years?
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/jewish-leap-year.html> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar>
<https://www.hebcal.com>
The calendar is also luni-solar, which means it handles both the lunar
and solar cycles.
Or, are you going to believe in the Gregorian patch to the Julian
calendar, which ran off the rails in 1582, after functioning for only
about 1800 years? It only supports the solar cycles? How are
werewolves going to predict the night of the full moon? My guess(tm)
is that Pope Gregory couldn't handle the math and simply discarded the
lunar calendar.
The Hebrew calendar is also indecisive about holidays, which are often celebrated for two or more days instead of just one. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_holidays> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_tov_sheni_shel_galuyot>
I haven't counted, but I suspect that if I included leap months and
minor holidays, every other day of the year will be a Jewish holiday,
which might be a good thing.
It's not too late to depricate the Gregorian calendar and adopt the
Hebrew calendar in its place.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 17:57:49 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 19:38:26 -0800 (PST), John Smiht
<utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48?PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makeThank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >>>>>> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not >>>>>> - and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
Hanukkah finished on the 15th of Decemeber as well.
Which calendar would you trust? The 12 or 13 month Hebrew calendar,
which has been functional since the creating of the world (5784 years)
with little maintenance beyond adding an extra month 7 times every 19
years?
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/jewish-leap-year.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar>
<https://www.hebcal.com>
The calendar is also luni-solar, which means it handles both the lunar
and solar cycles.
Or, are you going to believe in the Gregorian patch to the Julian
calendar, which ran off the rails in 1582, after functioning for only
about 1800 years? It only supports the solar cycles? How are
werewolves going to predict the night of the full moon? My guess(tm)
is that Pope Gregory couldn't handle the math and simply discarded the
lunar calendar.
The Hebrew calendar is also indecisive about holidays, which are often
celebrated for two or more days instead of just one.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_holidays>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_tov_sheni_shel_galuyot>
I haven't counted, but I suspect that if I included leap months and
minor holidays, every other day of the year will be a Jewish holiday,
which might be a good thing.
It's not too late to depricate the Gregorian calendar and adopt the
Hebrew calendar in its place.
Well, do keep in mind the old saw that all Jewish holidays are basically, >They tried to kill us, we won, lets eat. Doing that every day would >involve buying new clothes a lot. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Which calendar would you trust? The 12 or 13 month Hebrew calendar,
which has been functional since the creating of the world (5784 years)
with little maintenance beyond adding an extra month 7 times every 19
years?
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/jewish-leap-year.html> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar>
<https://www.hebcal.com>
The calendar is also luni-solar, which means it handles both the lunar
and solar cycles.
Or, are you going to believe in the Gregorian patch to the Julian
calendar, which ran off the rails in 1582, after functioning for only
about 1800 years? It only supports the solar cycles? How are
werewolves going to predict the night of the full moon? My guess(tm)
is that Pope Gregory couldn't handle the math and simply discarded the
lunar calendar.
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 21:49:14 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs ><pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 17:57:49 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 19:38:26 -0800 (PST), John Smiht
<utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48?PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>> themselves known)...Thank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >>>>>>> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not >>>>>>> - and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
Hanukkah finished on the 15th of Decemeber as well.
Which calendar would you trust? The 12 or 13 month Hebrew calendar,
which has been functional since the creating of the world (5784 years)
with little maintenance beyond adding an extra month 7 times every 19
years?
<https://www.timeanddate.com/date/jewish-leap-year.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar>
<https://www.hebcal.com>
The calendar is also luni-solar, which means it handles both the lunar
and solar cycles.
Or, are you going to believe in the Gregorian patch to the Julian
calendar, which ran off the rails in 1582, after functioning for only
about 1800 years? It only supports the solar cycles? How are
werewolves going to predict the night of the full moon? My guess(tm)
is that Pope Gregory couldn't handle the math and simply discarded the
lunar calendar.
The Hebrew calendar is also indecisive about holidays, which are often
celebrated for two or more days instead of just one.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_holidays>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_tov_sheni_shel_galuyot>
I haven't counted, but I suspect that if I included leap months and
minor holidays, every other day of the year will be a Jewish holiday,
which might be a good thing.
It's not too late to depricate the Gregorian calendar and adopt the
Hebrew calendar in its place.
Well, do keep in mind the old saw that all Jewish holidays are basically, >>They tried to kill us, we won, lets eat. Doing that every day would >>involve buying new clothes a lot. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Yessir. So there'll be a new holiday to commemorate the seizing of
Gaza and its absorbtion into 'greater Israel.'
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred BloggsRead the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>>>>>>> Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>> themselves known)...https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >>>>>>>> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not >>>>>>>> - and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization.
wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars
can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing
to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol consumption!
On 27/12/2023 6:54 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>>> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill >>>>>>>>> - and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars
can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing
to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for
example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred
individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol
consumption!
People who drink a little live longer than those who don't.
The move we learn about the physiological effects of alcohol, the more >surprising this gets.
The psychological effect of a small dose of alcohol seems to be to make >people slightly more relaxed and sociable, which makes social events
work better. My wife noticed that her lectures went over better if the >audience had been given a glass of wine before the lecture got under way.
My suspicion is that very moderate drinking correlates with a better
social life, which does have health advantages.
We probably need a better drug to create that effect. Canabis doesn't
seem to be a promising candidate - ethanol is very simple chemical
(C2H5OH) and anything better is going to be much more complicated and >expensive.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 6:58:48 PM UTC-6, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:44:40 +0000, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com>
wrote:
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to makeThank you. Bah Humbug and a merry winter solstice to you. Winter
themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who
can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
solstice is the shortest day of the year and is perfect for those
things that must be done under cover of darkness.
Your wish is belated. Winter solstice occurred on the 21st.
I'm celebrating the--
holiday by moving and restacking a cord of firewood up 50 stairs (with
some hired assistance).
Have a great holiday, everyone!Likewise and may your 2023 tax deductions eventually be accepted by
your taxing authority.
Your pal,--
CD.
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:59:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2023 6:54 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>>>> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars >>>> can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing
to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for
example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred
individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol
consumption!
People who drink a little live longer than those who don't.
The move we learn about the physiological effects of alcohol, the more >>surprising this gets.
The psychological effect of a small dose of alcohol seems to be to make >>people slightly more relaxed and sociable, which makes social events
work better. My wife noticed that her lectures went over better if the >>audience had been given a glass of wine before the lecture got under way.
My suspicion is that very moderate drinking correlates with a better
social life, which does have health advantages.
We probably need a better drug to create that effect. Canabis doesn't
seem to be a promising candidate - ethanol is very simple chemical
(C2H5OH) and anything better is going to be much more complicated and >>expensive.
Whatever they may come up with in the future it's hard to see how it
can ever overcome the twin perils of tolerance and dependence. We've
seen this time and time again in the development of drugs intended to
treat anxiety. Despite all the grand claims from the pharmacutical
companies over the course of decades, nothing has yet come on the
market which is both efficacious *and* free from the adverse
consequences of long-term use.
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>> >> >> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>> >> >> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>> >> >> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>> >> >> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy
Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization.
wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars
can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing
to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east.
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for >example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration.
In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred >individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol >consumption!
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 19:54:34 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs >>><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>> >> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>> >> >> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>> >> >> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>> >> >> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>> >> >> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>> >> >> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival. >>>Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars >>>can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing
to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
I noticed that. His life centers on fear.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east.
Read the book maybe.
The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for >>example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration.
My Irish ancestors seem to be dominated by their wives. I'm Irish and
have never struck or deliberatly hurt a woman. Have you?
In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred >>individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol >>consumption!
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country
Harp is darned fine beer.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:56:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:59:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:
On 27/12/2023 6:54 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>>>>> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>>>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>>>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars >>>>> can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing >>>>> to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for >>>> example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred >>>> individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol
consumption!
People who drink a little live longer than those who don't.
The move we learn about the physiological effects of alcohol, the more >>>surprising this gets.
The psychological effect of a small dose of alcohol seems to be to make >>>people slightly more relaxed and sociable, which makes social events
work better. My wife noticed that her lectures went over better if the >>>audience had been given a glass of wine before the lecture got under way. >>>
My suspicion is that very moderate drinking correlates with a better >>>social life, which does have health advantages.
We probably need a better drug to create that effect. Canabis doesn't >>>seem to be a promising candidate - ethanol is very simple chemical >>>(C2H5OH) and anything better is going to be much more complicated and >>>expensive.
Whatever they may come up with in the future it's hard to see how it
can ever overcome the twin perils of tolerance and dependence. We've
seen this time and time again in the development of drugs intended to
treat anxiety. Despite all the grand claims from the pharmacutical >>companies over the course of decades, nothing has yet come on the
market which is both efficacious *and* free from the adverse
consequences of long-term use.
Coffee. Chocolate. Both have materially advanced science and math and >politics.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 08:17:12 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:56:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:59:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>wrote:
On 27/12/2023 6:54 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>>>>>> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase >>>>>>>>>>>
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival. >>>>>> Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars >>>>>> can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing >>>>>> to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a >>>>> bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in >>>>> the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of >>>>> the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for >>>>> example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred >>>>> individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol
consumption!
People who drink a little live longer than those who don't.
The move we learn about the physiological effects of alcohol, the more >>>>surprising this gets.
The psychological effect of a small dose of alcohol seems to be to make >>>>people slightly more relaxed and sociable, which makes social events >>>>work better. My wife noticed that her lectures went over better if the >>>>audience had been given a glass of wine before the lecture got under way. >>>>
My suspicion is that very moderate drinking correlates with a better >>>>social life, which does have health advantages.
We probably need a better drug to create that effect. Canabis doesn't >>>>seem to be a promising candidate - ethanol is very simple chemical >>>>(C2H5OH) and anything better is going to be much more complicated and >>>>expensive.
Whatever they may come up with in the future it's hard to see how it
can ever overcome the twin perils of tolerance and dependence. We've
seen this time and time again in the development of drugs intended to >>>treat anxiety. Despite all the grand claims from the pharmacutical >>>companies over the course of decades, nothing has yet come on the
market which is both efficacious *and* free from the adverse
consequences of long-term use.
Coffee. Chocolate. Both have materially advanced science and math and >>politics.
Coffee, yes. Chocolate no.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 08:14:44 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 19:54:34 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>wrote:
[...]
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
I noticed that. His life centers on fear.
He buys into any and all MSM catastrophe porn going; becomes infected
by the meme and dutifully performs the useful idiot task of
re-broadcasting it here. His programming is 100% rock solid and a
credit to his brainwashers.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:56:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:59:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2023 6:54 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>>>>> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of >>>>>>>>>>> goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our >>>>>>>>>>> contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival.
Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars >>>>> can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing >>>>> to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a
bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in
the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of
the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for >>>> example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred >>>> individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol
consumption!
People who drink a little live longer than those who don't.
The move we learn about the physiological effects of alcohol, the more
surprising this gets.
The psychological effect of a small dose of alcohol seems to be to make
people slightly more relaxed and sociable, which makes social events
work better. My wife noticed that her lectures went over better if the
audience had been given a glass of wine before the lecture got under way. >>>
My suspicion is that very moderate drinking correlates with a better
social life, which does have health advantages.
We probably need a better drug to create that effect. Canabis doesn't
seem to be a promising candidate - ethanol is very simple chemical
(C2H5OH) and anything better is going to be much more complicated and
expensive.
Whatever they may come up with in the future it's hard to see how it
can ever overcome the twin perils of tolerance and dependence. We've
seen this time and time again in the development of drugs intended to
treat anxiety. Despite all the grand claims from the pharmacutical
companies over the course of decades, nothing has yet come on the
market which is both efficacious *and* free from the adverse
consequences of long-term use.
Coffee. Chocolate. Both have materially advanced science and math and politics.
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 08:17:12 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:56:22 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 15:59:54 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 27/12/2023 6:54 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:21:37 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>>
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:35:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:12:40?AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 04:18:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 4:22:31?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:09:25 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 12:44:48?PM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
Gentlemen (and any ladies who might lurk here, too timid to make >>>>>>>>>>>> themselves known)...
As we all know, it's that special time of year again; the season of
goodwill to all men (and of course women and those in between who >>>>>>>>>>>> can't make their minds up). Brimming over with the spirit of goodwill
- and plenty of XO cognac - I find myself compelled to wish all our
contributors a very Happy Christmas, whether I get on with them or not
- and in the spirit of inclusivity and plurality, a very happy >>>>>>>>>>>> Hanukkah to Jeff Lieberman and Bill Sloman.
Have a great holiday, everyone!
Alcohol is an anesthetic popular since the Stone Age, a time when people were lucky to live 30 years.
Acetaldehyde is a bad one:
https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2018/04/02/3-weird-things-about-acetaldehyde/
Then there is the 'Asian Flush':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction
You need a healthy liver to clear the acetaldehyde with enzyme acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, which isn't going to work too well when the liver is damaged by alcohol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase >>>>>>>>>>>
That's all part of the entrenchment of the poison into civilization. >>>>>>>> Read the book. Alcohol has been a net benefit to civilization. If it >>>>>>>> wasn't, we would have not evolved to tolerate and like it.
Book was written by a drunk obviously. Mankind doesn't seem to be tolerating it very well either. Class 1 carcinogen doesn't sound like much tolerance.
There's a tradeoff between individual survival and tribal survival. >>>>>> Killing off older people isn't so bad for the tribe, but avoiding wars >>>>>> can be.
Read the book. Or if you perfer, keep believing that you have nothing >>>>>> to learn.
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
When you say alcohol's been a "net benefit" to civilization, that's a >>>>> bit like saying that the atom bomb was a net benefit to ending WW2 in >>>>> the far east. The cost of alcoholism to families where one or both of >>>>> the parents are sufferers can be catastrophic. The stereotype of - for >>>>> example - Irishmen being perpetually drunk wife-beaters is no
exaggeration. In fact is was virtually the norm and extremely
widespread in Ireland for much of the 20th century. I think you'd
struggle to get the relatives of such violent and utterly self-centred >>>>> individuals to accept there was any benefit whatsoever to alcohol
consumption!
People who drink a little live longer than those who don't.
The move we learn about the physiological effects of alcohol, the more >>>> surprising this gets.
The psychological effect of a small dose of alcohol seems to be to make >>>> people slightly more relaxed and sociable, which makes social events
work better. My wife noticed that her lectures went over better if the >>>> audience had been given a glass of wine before the lecture got under way. >>>>
My suspicion is that very moderate drinking correlates with a better
social life, which does have health advantages.
We probably need a better drug to create that effect. Canabis doesn't
seem to be a promising candidate - ethanol is very simple chemical
(C2H5OH) and anything better is going to be much more complicated and
expensive.
Whatever they may come up with in the future it's hard to see how it
can ever overcome the twin perils of tolerance and dependence. We've
seen this time and time again in the development of drugs intended to
treat anxiety. Despite all the grand claims from the pharmacutical
companies over the course of decades, nothing has yet come on the
market which is both efficacious *and* free from the adverse
consequences of long-term use.
Coffee. Chocolate. Both have materially advanced science and math and
politics.
Coffee, yes. Chocolate no. ITYM *donuts* and coffee. We'd still be at sub-Saharan levels of development if we were relying on chocolate.
Donuts have been shown to create an explosion of creativity in the
brain, especially when consumed with strong coffee. OTOH, brain scans
of test subjects given chocolate in place of the donuts showed no
brain activity whatsoever. IOW, clinical death.
On 2023-12-27, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 08:14:44 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 19:54:34 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>wrote:
[...]
Fred thinks *everything* is calamitous to mankind.
I noticed that. His life centers on fear.
He buys into any and all MSM catastrophe porn going; becomes infected
by the meme and dutifully performs the useful idiot task of
re-broadcasting it here. His programming is 100% rock solid and a
credit to his brainwashers.
Good news, GOOG will fix the problem in February.
Shame I don't drink, I guess:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382
People who can trace their ancestry back to certain places like
Scotland and Ireland will have some enhanced level of built-in
protection against the booze. Not so the Japanese. When I visited
Japan some years ago, I was astonished by all these prostrate bodies
on the streets and pavements where drinkers had passed out from over indulgence. No one seemed the least bit bothered about it and car
drivers would just drive around them!
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