I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with
one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based onseeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something Imight find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather thansomething I get paid for).Looked it up, and seemsltspice is a windows/mac application, whereasthe native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting withone and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone usedngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice? -- |_|O|_||_|_|O|
The difficulty with the LTspice interface is that it uses "verb" mode instead of "noun" mode. In other words, you need to select the action and then the object, instead of the object and then the action. This differs from how a lot of other programswork. Also LTspice doesn't do schematics for PCB Layout, so you are concurrently using another schematic layout program which is a pain. I had changed LTspice's hotkeys to match Altium's to avoid hitting the wrong keys.
The difficulty with the LTspice interface is that it uses "verb" mode instead of "noun" mode. In other words, you need to select the action and then the object, instead of the object and then the action. This differs from how a lot of other programswork. Also LTspice doesn't do schematics for PCB Layout, so you are concurrently using another schematic layout program which is a pain. I had changed LTspice's hotkeys to match Altium's to avoid hitting the wrong keys.
Wanderer wrote:
The difficulty with the LTspice interface is that it uses "verb" mode instead
"noun" mode. In other words, you need to select the action and then the object,
instead of the object and then the action. This differs from how a lot of other
programs work. Also LTspice doesn't do schematics for PCB Layout, so you are >> concurrently using another schematic layout program which is a pain. I had >> changed LTspice's hotkeys to match Altium's to avoid hitting the wrong keys.
Schematics for PCB layout have requirements so different from
schematics for simulations that I don't even *want* to use the
same tool for both.
I have KiCad for one and LTspice for the other, both on a Linux
machine. I never simulate complete designs; only sections that
need closer attention.
It appears KiCads's eeschema can be used as a schematic entry
front-end for ngspice. I never yet bothered.
On 12/21/23 03:14, Wanderer wrote:work. Also LTspice doesn't do schematics for PCB Layout, so you are concurrently using another schematic layout program which is a pain. I had changed LTspice's hotkeys to match Altium's to avoid hitting the wrong keys.
The difficulty with the LTspice interface is that it uses "verb" mode instead of "noun" mode. In other words, you need to select the action and then the object, instead of the object and then the action. This differs from how a lot of other programs
Schematics for PCB layout have requirements so different from
schematics for simulations that I don't even *want* to use the
same tool for both.
I have KiCad for one and LTspice for the other, both on a Linux
machine. I never simulate complete designs; only sections that
need closer attention.
It appears KiCads's eeschema can be used as a schematic entry
front-end for ngspice. I never yet bothered.
Jeroen Belleman
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Use Spectrum Software's Micro-Cap (latest version is 12.2.05) instead
of either of the above. Although popular, unless you want to simulate
Linear Technology's controller IC's, I cannot see any reason why
anyone with any sense would use it.
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:33:42 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:01:13 +0000, JM <sunaecoNoSpam@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on >>>>seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I >>>>might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than >>>>something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas >>>>the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>>>one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Use Spectrum Software's Micro-Cap (latest version is 12.2.05) instead
of either of the above. Although popular, unless you want to simulate >>>Linear Technology's controller IC's, I cannot see any reason why
anyone with any sense would use it.
I have 1616 LT Spice sim files in my project folders on this PC. I
must be really dumb.
You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 5:47:31?PM UTC-6, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:41:28 +0000, JM <sunaec...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:33:42 -0800, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote:I don't mind being dumb, but do I have to give all the money back?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:01:13 +0000, JM <sunaec...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <d...@djph.net>
wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >> >>>>one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Use Spectrum Software's Micro-Cap (latest version is 12.2.05) instead
of either of the above. Although popular, unless you want to simulate
Linear Technology's controller IC's, I cannot see any reason why
anyone with any sense would use it.
I have 1616 LT Spice sim files in my project folders on this PC. I
must be really dumb.
You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
HeHe....pretty good! I like it. Can I have it?
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with
one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Use Spectrum Software's Micro-Cap (latest version is 12.2.05) instead
of either of the above. Although popular, unless you want to simulate
Linear Technology's controller IC's, I cannot see any reason why
anyone with any sense would use it.
On 12/21/23 03:14, Wanderer wrote:
The difficulty with the LTspice interface is that it uses "verb" mode
instead of "noun" mode. In other words, you need to select the action
and then the object, instead of the object and then the action. This
differs from how a lot of other programs work. Also LTspice doesn't
do schematics for PCB Layout, so you are concurrently using another
schematic layout program which is a pain. I had changed LTspice's
hotkeys to match Altium's to avoid hitting the wrong keys.
Schematics for PCB layout have requirements so different from
schematics for simulations that I don't even *want* to use the
same tool for both.
I have KiCad for one and LTspice for the other, both on a Linux
machine. I never simulate complete designs; only sections that
need closer attention.
It appears KiCads's eeschema can be used as a schematic entry
front-end for ngspice. I never yet bothered.
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
[...]
LTspice installs and runs well under wine in linux. (Use winetricks. )
I’ve been using it that way for years and years.
On 2023-12-21, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
[...]
LTspice installs and runs well under wine in linux. (Use winetricks. )
I’ve been using it that way for years and years.
Thanks Phil, google was hinting that LTspice via wine "might" be the way
to go ... but then again, search results can be misleading, especially
when one doesn't know any better.
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
On 2023-12-21, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
[...]
LTspice installs and runs well under wine in linux. (Use winetricks. )
I’ve been using it that way for years and years.
Thanks Phil, google was hinting that LTspice via wine "might" be the way
to go ... but then again, search results can be misleading, especially
when one doesn't know any better.
For a while I happily used LT spice in a vm box on Linux then acting on advice of folk here found it was even easier under wine. Went down a rabbit hole on first attempt using wrong repo of wine but within an hour had
sorted. Since then l use LTS under wine on most of my machines with no problems.
On 2023-12-21, JM wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on >>>seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I >>>might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than >>>something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>>one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Use Spectrum Software's Micro-Cap (latest version is 12.2.05) instead
of either of the above. Although popular, unless you want to simulate
Linear Technology's controller IC's, I cannot see any reason why
anyone with any sense would use it.
Seems this one's abandoned now? Which I guess isn't necessarily a
problem, unless the "download" links at archive.org don't work...
Thanks for the alternative suggestion too!
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Dan Purgert ><dan@djph.net> wrote in <slrnuo8m8s.clb.dan@djph.net>:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
I have LTsice running in Linux in 'wine' windows simulator on some old PC. >Not that I use it much..
I have used it to draw filter curves, that is useful,
avoids lots of maaz or what was it matzs? anyways....
On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 06:44:26 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Dan Purgert
<dan@djph.net> wrote in <slrnuo8m8s.clb.dan@djph.net>:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>> one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
I have LTsice running in Linux in 'wine' windows simulator on some old PC. >> Not that I use it much..
I have used it to draw filter curves, that is useful,
avoids lots of maaz or what was it matzs? anyways....
Yesterday I designed a 3rd order LC filter by just guessing and
tweaking in LT Spice. It's actual funtion is to generate a clean
CMOS-logic 1 ns time delay, for a guy who wants a ns of timing margin.
I can guess and tweak higher order filters. 5th order is my record,
but that's tough. You can diverge, get lost in space.
John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 06:44:26 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Dan Purgert
<dan@djph.net> wrote in <slrnuo8m8s.clb.dan@djph.net>:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>>> one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
I have LTsice running in Linux in 'wine' windows simulator on some old PC. >>> Not that I use it much..
I have used it to draw filter curves, that is useful,
avoids lots of maaz or what was it matzs? anyways....
Yesterday I designed a 3rd order LC filter by just guessing and
tweaking in LT Spice. It's actual funtion is to generate a clean
CMOS-logic 1 ns time delay, for a guy who wants a ns of timing margin.
I can guess and tweak higher order filters. 5th order is my record,
but that's tough. You can diverge, get lost in space.
It’s much easier if you parameterize each section in terms of f_0 and Q, >rather than L and C directly. That’s what makes dip meters so useful for >hacking together filter protos.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 06:44:26 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:24:34 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Dan Purgert
<dan@djph.net> wrote in <slrnuo8m8s.clb.dan@djph.net>:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>>> one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
I have LTsice running in Linux in 'wine' windows simulator on some old PC. >>> Not that I use it much..
I have used it to draw filter curves, that is useful,
avoids lots of maaz or what was it matzs? anyways....
Yesterday I designed a 3rd order LC filter by just guessing and
tweaking in LT Spice. It's actual funtion is to generate a clean
CMOS-logic 1 ns time delay, for a guy who wants a ns of timing margin.
I can guess and tweak higher order filters. 5th order is my record,
but that's tough. You can diverge, get lost in space.
It’s much easier if you parameterize each section in terms of f_0 and Q, >rather than L and C directly. That’s what makes dip meters so useful for >hacking together filter protos.
Jeroen Belleman wrote:
Wanderer wrote:
The difficulty with the LTspice interface is that it uses "verb" mode
instead of "noun" mode. In other words, you need to select the action
and then the object, instead of the object and then the action. This
differs from how a lot of other programs work. Also LTspice doesn't
do schematics for PCB Layout, so you are concurrently using another
schematic layout program which is a pain. I had changed LTspice's
hotkeys to match Altium's to avoid hitting the wrong keys.
Schematics for PCB layout have requirements so different from
schematics for simulations that I don't even *want* to use the
same tool for both.
I have KiCad for one and LTspice for the other, both on a Linux
machine. I never simulate complete designs; only sections that
need closer attention.
It appears KiCads's eeschema can be used as a schematic entry
front-end for ngspice. I never yet bothered.
I ran across that myself yesterday evening, but not going to touch it
until I have a better handle on what rabbit hole I'm falling into here (although it does seem that one "must" use ngspice to work with KiCAD,
if I'm read and understood the brief overview properly).
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with
one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
On 2023-12-21, Dan Purgert wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with
one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Just following-up to myself to tie up the loose ends a bit -- thanks to everyone giving their input; sounds like the general consensus is LTSpice-on-WINE, so that's the route I'm gonna attempt to take post-Christmas.
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
On 2023-12-21, Dan Purgert wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>> one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Just following-up to myself to tie up the loose ends a bit -- thanks to
everyone giving their input; sounds like the general consensus is
LTSpice-on-WINE, so that's the route I'm gonna attempt to take
post-Christmas.
While I use Ltspice with wine, input windows, e.g. to change the value
of some device, often loose focus. Simple clicking the input
windows does not bring back focus. To get back focus, I must click
some window unrelated to Wine/Ltspice and then click the iput
windows. This happens on several system.
Anybody else has this problem?
Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
On 2023-12-21, Dan Purgert wrote:
I've never used ltspice / circuit simulators before; though based on
seeing posts to the group from various people seems it's something I
might find useful (noting, of course, this is a hobby rather than
something I get paid for).
Looked it up, and seems ltspice is a windows/mac application, whereas
the native equivalent on linux would be ngspice. To avoid starting with >>> one and switching because it's "bad" later on; has anyone used
ngspice and found it a decent alternative to ltspice?
Just following-up to myself to tie up the loose ends a bit -- thanks to
everyone giving their input; sounds like the general consensus is
LTSpice-on-WINE, so that's the route I'm gonna attempt to take
post-Christmas.
While I use Ltspice with wine, input windows, e.g. to change the value
of some device, often loose focus. Simple clicking the input
windows does not bring back focus. To get back focus, I must click
some window unrelated to Wine/Ltspice and then click the iput
windows. This happens on several system.
Anybody else has this problem?
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