Header message comes up on G-Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usen= >et content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content fro= >m Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data wi= >ll still be supported as it is done today."
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:57:54 -0800 (PST)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <3d4c172a-d478-4ee9-82ae-8ba75f1e1ed5n@googlegroups.com>:
Header message comes up on G-Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usen= >> et content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content fro= >> m Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data wi= >> ll still be supported as it is done today."
Usenet next?
On 15/12/2023 5:03 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:57:54 -0800 (PST)) it happened
Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<3d4c172a-d478-4ee9-82ae-8ba75f1e1ed5n@googlegroups.com>:
Header message comes up on G-Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usen=
et content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
content fro=
m Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical
data wi=
ll still be supported as it is done today."
Usenet next?
Probably not. Usenet has a range of hosts. Google supported the usenet
on its forums because it was a cheap service to offerand got a lot of
clicks. Now that the spammers have started to exploit it, it's cheaper
for them to walk away that it would to spend money on blocking the
spammers (not that they woukd need to spend much.
On 15/12/2023 06:57, Bill Sloman wrote:
On 15/12/2023 5:03 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Dec 2023 17:57:54 -0800 (PST)) it happened
Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<3d4c172a-d478-4ee9-82ae-8ba75f1e1ed5n@googlegroups.com>:
Header message comes up on G-Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new >>>> content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical
data will still be supported as it is done today."
Usenet next?
Probably not. Usenet has a range of hosts. Google supported the usenet
on its forums because it was a cheap service to offer and got a lot of
clicks. Now that the spammers have started to exploit it, it's cheaper
for them to walk away than it would to spend money on blocking the
spammers (not that they would need to spend much.
I am unclear: they don't say GG is ending, just that the link to usenet
is severed. Does that mean there will be a fork into two SEDs - one on
usenet and the other a GG?
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out >>
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
2 highwinds-media.com 45.390084
3 feed.usenet.farm 29.383398
4 weretis.net 28.524348
5 blueworldhosting.com 24.211346
6 feeder1.feed.usenet.farm 23.334285
7 erje.net 20.948683
8 neodome.net 20.735997
9 giganews.com 20.262217
10 as286.net 14.193707
How much of that is spam?
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened >dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in ><2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X?
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
An other alternative is groups.io
I am subscribed to one of their groups, but not active there ATM.
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 06:11:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
[...]
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I wonder if board-level circuit design (as opposed to IC design) is a
fading skill. I hope so... it's good for my business.
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 06:11:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened >>dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in >><2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>>largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X? >>I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead. >>Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I wonder if board-level circuit design (as opposed to IC design) is a
fading skill. I hope so... it's good for my business.
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Dec 2023 10:54:57 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <0fsrnitilu3u83hk5ce8jo7sgpu6e7cgso@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 06:11:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened >>>dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in >>><2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote: >>>>>If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET >>>>traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>>>largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X? >>>I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead. >>>Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I wonder if board-level circuit design (as opposed to IC design) is a >>fading skill. I hope so... it's good for my business.
Maybe board level will fade out when we can buy a 3D chip printer ??
But there will always need to be some interface that human sized enteties can connect to,
connectors, speakers, microphones, cameras, displays., sensors, buttons, much more
I sometimes use modules connected to a bigger module,
here a gamma spectrometer, human interface:
https://panteltje.online/pub/sc2_sideview_with_PC_connection_img_3267.jpg
As 'hat'; here compass, accelerometer and air pressure modules connected to a Raspberry Pi GPIO:
https://panteltje.online/panteltje/xgpspc/raspi_add_on_compass_accelerometer_pressure_GPS_interface_IMG_4949.JPG
Chips, modules, tubes ;-), what difference does it make...
https://panteltje.online/pub/raspi_nav_IMG_4931.JPG https://panteltje.online/pub/raspi_nav_1_IMG_4809.JPG
As to good audio amps, been using this TDA7294 chip almost 24/7 since 2006:
https://panteltje.online/panteltje/amplifier/index.html
used it to drive a big transformer to make 60 Hz 110 V at 75 W (to drive my cryo cooler), drives ultrasonic transducers too.
-3dB at 200 kHz? Maybe for that cable thing the other poster needed?
Not sure the chip is still made, best power amp chip I've seen so far.
Look at the datasheet page 2 for circuit diagram of the chip's MOSFET output:
https://panteltje.online/panteltje/amplifier/tda7294.pdf
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:38:50, Wanderer<dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out >>
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
2 highwinds-media.com 45.390084
3 feed.usenet.farm 29.383398
4 weretis.net 28.524348
5 blueworldhosting.com 24.211346
6 feeder1.feed.usenet.farm 23.334285
7 erje.net 20.948683
8 neodome.net 20.735997
9 giganews.com 20.262217
10 as286.net 14.193707
How much of that is spam?
Interesting to see that Google usenet servers weren't even
in the top30 in the previous few years and are heavily
influenced by northern hemisphere school attendance, by
month.
On Thursday 14 December 2023 at 20:57:59 UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:it is done today."
Header message comes up on G-Groups:
"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported as
Let's see who will be the last post on google groups.
MRM
It appears to me that IF usenet posts were no longer present, then
the google groups postings would be entirely composed of spam and
other crap.
(In Tagalog?).
RL
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
It appears to me that IF usenet posts were no longer present, then
the google groups postings would be entirely composed of spam and
other crap.
(In Tagalog?).
RL
The same as SED is now. I often load XNEWS and find 50 - 100 posts available. >After spam is removed, there may be zero to 1/2 dozen posts left to read - >including yours.
Thank God for PLONK files.
Thank God for PLONK files.
I don't see any of the tagalog posts on usenet and my plonk
file would bust if it had to deal with all those showing on
google groups.
Using Eternal-September.
RL
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Thank God for PLONK files.
I don't see any of the tagalog posts on usenet and my plonk
file would bust if it had to deal with all those showing on
google groups.
Using Eternal-September.
RL
My XNEWS plonk file is 13,907 bytes and has 350 entries. Plenty of room for >more.
Also using Eternal-September.
None of the google groups spam authors or subjects are
identified in the current list, but I don't see them posting
on usenet, either.
I'm using agent V4.2.
Maybe it's broken here, but in a good way.
RL
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 04:17:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spamme@not.com> wrote:
legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
Thank God for PLONK files.
I don't see any of the tagalog posts on usenet and my plonk
file would bust if it had to deal with all those showing on
google groups.
Using Eternal-September.
RL
My XNEWS plonk file is 13,907 bytes and has 350 entries. Plenty of room for >>more.
Also using Eternal-September.
For spam, a time-limited block usually suffices. There have
been times when a new kill filter wouldn't stick. I weeded
out old entries and it seemed to do the trick, hence my
guess at size limitations.
None of the google groups spam authors or subjects are
identified in the current list, but I don't see them posting
on usenet, either.
I'm using agent V4.2.
Maybe it's broken here, but in a good way.
RL
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out >>
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800, dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave
Platt) wrote:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's
largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
+1
Google: GFY. Usenet doesn't need you.
....
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X?
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
An other alternative is groups.io
I am subscribed to one of their groups, but not active there ATM.
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
<2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X?
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
On 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in >><2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>>largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X? >> I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how
to do it" ;)
On 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in >><2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will have, check out
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>>largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it on X? >> I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at >>>>circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how
to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
On a sunny day (Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:54:38 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <f5ohoi910tnr5vto16t4o466tcbin6l5nc@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at >>>>>circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
You need a real monitor and knowledge of electronics to read those :-)
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how
to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
On 12/24/2023 8:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>> to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
There may be genius hidden inside those schematics.
Who can tell? Someone with better eyesight than me. :-(
Ed
[...]
I still draw, which is a novelty these days.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb2wjsbzspgcw0c/Drafting_Dec_2022.jpg?raw=1
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:17:23 -0500, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2023 8:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>> wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>> to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
There may be genius hidden inside those schematics.
Who can tell? Someone with better eyesight than me. :-(
Ed
I like D-size grid paper, HB pencils, and electric erasers and pencil >sharpeners. That photographs well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nnzg7ei2pm4darz/DoubleTach.jpg?raw=1
I still draw, which is a novelty these days.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb2wjsbzspgcw0c/Drafting_Dec_2022.jpg?raw=1
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 07:01:49 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:54:38 -0800) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <f5ohoi910tnr5vto16t4o466tcbin6l5nc@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>> wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at >>>>>>circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>>to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
You need a real monitor and knowledge of electronics to read those :-)
I'm going to take up donations to buy you a pencil sharpener.
On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Dec 2023 07:57:30 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <fg9joih6aelfl7mgivno5sb4o904n8sfm3@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 07:01:49 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:54:38 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <f5ohoi910tnr5vto16t4o466tcbin6l5nc@4ax.com>: >>>
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>>> wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at >>>>>>>circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>>>to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
You need a real monitor and knowledge of electronics to read those :-)
I'm going to take up donations to buy you a pencil sharpener.
Cool!
Anyways, long time ago when I uploaded pictures of my pencil drawn circuit diagrams
the high resolution images were converted by the web hoster to low resolution ones.
I complained, then they changed that.
I now left US godaddy hosting altogether and use a Dutch hosting company.
The final straw was that godaddy stopped with pop email.
Everything OK so far.
On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Dec 2023 09:43:02 -0800) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <gafjoi54fvc277jar57ecqi4jli2kunkcj@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:17:23 -0500, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2023 8:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>>> wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>>> to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
There may be genius hidden inside those schematics.
Who can tell? Someone with better eyesight than me. :-(
Ed
I like D-size grid paper, HB pencils, and electric erasers and pencil >>sharpeners. That photographs well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nnzg7ei2pm4darz/DoubleTach.jpg?raw=1
That is ink? Does not edit well.
In such cases I use green markers:
https://panteltje.online/pub/LED_light_circuit_diagram_IMG_6925.JPG
I still draw, which is a novelty these days.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb2wjsbzspgcw0c/Drafting_Dec_2022.jpg?raw=1
Yea, I just have a pack of A4 paper, take one, draw a circuit on it,
punch holes in those and put those in an map.
I have close to a thousand circuits now,
Some time ago I photographed all of those and put those on a 1 TB USB stick. >The USB stick died after a few weeks, the maps and paper schematics still exist.
I _did_ make a backup of that USB stick on magnetic harddisks though :-)
Now I have the same problem with music, hard to read my own music..
But it works!! :-)
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:17:23 -0500, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2023 8:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>> wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>> to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
There may be genius hidden inside those schematics.
Who can tell? Someone with better eyesight than me. :-(
Ed
I like D-size grid paper, HB pencils, and electric erasers and pencil sharpeners. That photographs well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nnzg7ei2pm4darz/DoubleTach.jpg?raw=1
I still draw, which is a novelty these days.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb2wjsbzspgcw0c/Drafting_Dec_2022.jpg?raw=1
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 05:30:53 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Dec 2023 07:57:30 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <fg9joih6aelfl7mgivno5sb4o904n8sfm3@4ax.com>: >>
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 07:01:49 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 24 Dec 2023 17:54:38 -0800) it happened John Larkin >>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <f5ohoi910tnr5vto16t4o466tcbin6l5nc@4ax.com>: >>>>
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>> wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>>>> wrote:
Beautiful schematics work better. There's a good reason for that.
One thing that annoys me is that some people refuse to make a 4-way connection, and do ugly things to avoid it. They must use cheap
Chinese connection dots that fall off the paper onto the floor.
Another annoyance is a sch or sim that's 2-bag ugly and has no hint of author, date, or what the hell it is.
On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 05:53:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 25 Dec 2023 09:43:02 -0800) it happened John Larkin >><jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <gafjoi54fvc277jar57ecqi4jli2kunkcj@4ax.com>:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 12:17:23 -0500, ehsjr <ehsjr@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2023 8:54 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:44:37 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>> wrote:
On 2023-12-24, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> >>>>>>> wrote:
[...]
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at >>>>>>>> circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
I can definitely host stuff myself -- more thinking out loud of "hm, how >>>>>> to do it" ;)
Umm, don't do schematics like Jan.
There may be genius hidden inside those schematics.
Who can tell? Someone with better eyesight than me. :-(
Ed
I like D-size grid paper, HB pencils, and electric erasers and pencil >>>sharpeners. That photographs well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nnzg7ei2pm4darz/DoubleTach.jpg?raw=1
That is ink? Does not edit well.
Uniball Vision Needle roller pen. I like them for scribbling
subcircuits and ideas on letter-size grid pads. Real schematics, for
making PCBs, are HB pencil on D-size paper.
I prefer to draw on paper and give it to my PCB guy to enter into
PADS. Sometimes I enter the sch myself, but that really slows down the >process.
Long time ago I wrote technical manuals from lab reports by hand, in
English, for a very well known very big Dutch company.. Their secretary
would type those out and she would alert me of silly spelling mistakes :-)
Pencils work for me....
https://panteltje.online/pub/designing_with_pencil_and_paper_1.jpg
the dark spots are from soldering on the paper :-)
You can use ctrl + to enlarge in the webbrowser...
Was that not an SWR meter? (I see 'forward reflected'
The tool (I have a separate better eraser now):
https://panteltje.online/pub/the_pencil.jpg
So many SDcards these days; this helps:
https://panteltje.online/pub/SD_card_pencil_markins_IXIMG_0880.JPG
Sometimes I find a box I designed and build and really have to look for awhile to find what it was all about...
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Long time ago I wrote technical manuals from lab reports by hand, in
English, for a very well known very big Dutch company.. Their secretary
would type those out and she would alert me of silly spelling mistakes :-)
If that is the company I think it is, their technical manuals,
handbooks, applications notes and Technical Review set the highest
standards. They were a pleasure to read and so informative, so can I
take the opportunity of thanking you for your work.
Pencils work for me....
https://panteltje.online/pub/designing_with_pencil_and_paper_1.jpg
the dark spots are from soldering on the paper :-)
You can use ctrl + to enlarge in the webbrowser...
Was that not an SWR meter? (I see 'forward reflected'
The tool (I have a separate better eraser now):
https://panteltje.online/pub/the_pencil.jpg
So many SDcards these days; this helps:
https://panteltje.online/pub/SD_card_pencil_markins_IXIMG_0880.JPG
When I first used a computer, I took the time to construct a lot of >electronics symbols and put them in a library. They were designed on
the grid system which my drawing programme used, so they aligned with
each other and the lines joining them. I looked into the crossover
problem and decided that a gap and staggered '+' junctions removed all >possibility of misunderstandings, so that was the system I adopted.
The result is that quite complex diagrams are easy to draw and
understand:
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/250wAmp.gif >http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/500CylinderAudioAmplifier.gif
The result is that quite complex diagrams are easy to draw and
understand:
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/250wAmp.gif >http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/500CylinderAudioAmplifier.gif
Yes and we use rectangular symbols for resistors...
Took me a while.. You drive the transformers from the emitters... interesting.
100 V output, some power ...
Old TIP31A and 3055..
I have not seen the interrupted horizontal lines before much.
Crossings I just draw as a +
if it is supposed to make contact I offset the lines a bit:
|
-------
|
See the diodes on the left here:
https://panteltje.online/pub/SWR_bridge_OLED_circuit_diagram_IMG_5019.JPG
and the transistor on pin 1 of the PIC:
This is a nice amplifier, its playing now:
https://panteltje.online/panteltje/amplifier/index.html
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Long time ago I wrote technical manuals from lab reports by hand, in
English, for a very well known very big Dutch company.. Their secretary
would type those out and she would alert me of silly spelling mistakes :-)
If that is the company I think it is, their technical manuals,
handbooks, applications notes and Technical Review set the highest
standards. They were a pleasure to read and so informative, so can I
take the opportunity of thanking you for your work.
Pencils work for me....
https://panteltje.online/pub/designing_with_pencil_and_paper_1.jpg
the dark spots are from soldering on the paper :-)
You can use ctrl + to enlarge in the webbrowser...
Was that not an SWR meter? (I see 'forward reflected'
The tool (I have a separate better eraser now):
https://panteltje.online/pub/the_pencil.jpg
So many SDcards these days; this helps:
https://panteltje.online/pub/SD_card_pencil_markins_IXIMG_0880.JPG
When I first used a computer, I took the time to construct a lot of >electronics symbols and put them in a library. They were designed on
the grid system which my drawing programme used, so they aligned with
each other and the lines joining them. I looked into the crossover
problem and decided that a gap and staggered '+' junctions removed all >possibility of misunderstandings, so that was the system I adopted.
The result is that quite complex diagrams are easy to draw and
understand:
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/250wAmp.gif >http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/500CylinderAudioAmplifier.gif
Sometimes I find a box I designed and build and really have to look for a >while to find what it was all about...
Yes - sometimes I find a prototype board in the junk pile and can't even >remember making it or what it was supposed to be.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
The result is that quite complex diagrams are easy to draw and
understand:
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/250wAmp.gif
http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/500CylinderAudioAmplifier.gif
Yes and we use rectangular symbols for resistors...
When resistors are a box with text and capacitors are a box with text
and IC's are a box with text, the diagram becomes very difficult to read >quickly.
The old Dutch diagrams used a squared zigzag line as a resistor (the
symbol was later reserved for non-inductive resistors). I prefer the
old Dutch/German symbol for electrolytic capacitors, as it is not easy
to work out which way around the British Standard symbol is supposed to
be.
Took me a while.. You drive the transformers from the emitters...
interesting.
The drive voltage is relative to the induced voltage on the transformer >primaries (the yellow squares on the leftmost windings) so the TIP31A's
act as comparators with the voltage across the DC resistance of the >transformer winding in the emitters of the 2N3055's and ignore the
signal voltages across the inductance of the windings. They turn on
enough current to give a follower action, so each triple is effectively >*current* driving its output transformer winding and the triples can all
be connected in parallel.
This arrangement uses the DC resistance of the output transformer
winding as its current sensing, which avoids the losses of emitter
resistors. It also means that clipping the drive voltage (the red LEDs >marked "current clamp") automatically limits the peak current which the >triples are required to deliver.
The outer feedback loop then controls the output voltage, so it looks
like a low impedance source at the output terminals. Normally, having
two transformers inside a feedback loop is a bad thing because of the
phase shifts, but the quadrifilar 1:1 driver transformer with its
capacitors could also be regarded as two centre-tapped chokes; any HF
phase shifts are well outside the audio band. The feedback is therefore >mainly limited by the phase shifts in the output transformer, which are >minimised by interleaving.
100 V output, some power ...
Old TIP31A and 3055..
I have not seen the interrupted horizontal lines before much.
Crossings I just draw as a +
if it is supposed to make contact I offset the lines a bit:
|
-------
|
See the diodes on the left here:
https://panteltje.online/pub/SWR_bridge_OLED_circuit_diagram_IMG_5019.JPG >> and the transistor on pin 1 of the PIC:
The offsetting works very well but I still prefer a gap to make it quite >obvious whan the wires aren't touching each other. That is more
difficult to draw with a pencil but is easy with a library symbol. I
also like to put my transistors and valves inside an enclosure to make
them show up as anchor points when reading a large diagram (...and to
keep the vacuum in).
[...].
This is a nice amplifier, its playing now:
https://panteltje.online/panteltje/amplifier/index.html
I used some integrated amplifiers to drive individual loudspeaker units
in a big monitor speaker system. The data sheet said they did not need
Zobel networks on the loudspeaker connections, so I didn't provide any.
After a while there was the most terrible distortion and bursts of >oscillation. It turned out that the bandwidth of the amplifier was only
good enough for stability if you ran it on the highest possible supply
rails, I had de-rated it so the phase shifts had increased and it became >unstable. The second printing of the data sheet showed a Zobel network
was necessary.
For 100 V output even in the eighties there were nice high voltage MOSFETS.
I used some to directly drive 230 V light bulbs in a big theatre project.
This one is from 2006 or so and on almost all day for background music.
Used it to drive a mains transformer in reverse to make 110 V AC 60 Hz for
my cryo cooler. that needs to be driven in resonance (mechanical): https://panteltje.online/pub/cryocooler_vibration_damper_side_view_img_258 3.jpg https://www.panteltje.online/pub/cryo/
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
{...]
For 100 V output even in the eighties there were nice high voltage MOSFETS. >> I used some to directly drive 230 V light bulbs in a big theatre project.
But they needed a high voltage supply. This drove long overhead lines
from a 24v 60AH battery. An inverter would have to be very well
suppressed to avoid radiating interference from the output wiring. It
was designed for the utmost eceonomy so that it would run all day
unattended if only occasional speech was required.
The quiescent current of a few tens of milliamps was obtained by very
careful thermal design in the output triples, all the TIP31A's,
including the thermal reference, were mounted on an aluminium bar, well
away from the power transistors and heatsinks. The sound quality was
OK, although not up to the best hi-fi standards ...but that didn't
matter for outdoor P.A. operation. It was far more important that it
ran all day on one set of batteries, survived sustained overloads,
shorts and open-circuits on the output terminals and, if someone
connected the battery the wrong way around could be used again
immediately afterwards without the need to replace fuses (or whole
output stages)..
[...].
This one is from 2006 or so and on almost all day for background music.
Used it to drive a mains transformer in reverse to make 110 V AC 60 Hz for >> my cryo cooler. that needs to be driven in resonance (mechanical):
https://panteltje.online/pub/cryocooler_vibration_damper_side_view_img_258 >> 3.jpg https://www.panteltje.online/pub/cryo/
Was it just an experimental demonstrator or do you actually use it in
your kitchen?
On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 8:36:22 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 21:53:25 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spa...@not.com> wrote:
legg <le...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:I don't see any of the tagalog posts on usenet and my plonk
It appears to me that IF usenet posts were no longer present, then
the google groups postings would be entirely composed of spam and
other crap.
(In Tagalog?).
RL
The same as SED is now. I often load XNEWS and find 50 - 100 posts available.
After spam is removed, there may be zero to 1/2 dozen posts left to read - >>> including yours.
Thank God for PLONK files.
file would bust if it had to deal with all those showing on
google groups.
Using Eternal-September.
RL
So I'm a google groups lurker. External-September is free and my way to go then?
George H.
On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 8:36:22 PM UTC-5, legg wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 21:53:25 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spa...@not.com> wrote:
legg <le...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:I don't see any of the tagalog posts on usenet and my plonk
It appears to me that IF usenet posts were no longer present, then
the google groups postings would be entirely composed of spam and
other crap.
(In Tagalog?).
RL
The same as SED is now. I often load XNEWS and find 50 - 100 posts available.
After spam is removed, there may be zero to 1/2 dozen posts left to read - >>> including yours.
Thank God for PLONK files.
file would bust if it had to deal with all those showing on
google groups.
Using Eternal-September.
RL
So I'm a google groups lurker. External-September is free and my way to go then?
George H.
wrote:have, check out
On 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
<2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote:
If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will
it on X?
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's
largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
On 2023-12-24 18:10, John Larkin wrote:> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50
-0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:
have, check outOn 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
<2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote: >>>>> If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will
it on X?
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's
largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
Putting them on a website (even a private one) lets you make a permanent
copy on archive.org, so that stuff doesn't get lost as easily. Does
that work with Dropbox?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 17:09:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2023-12-24 18:10, John Larkin wrote:> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50
-0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:have, check out
On 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
<2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote: >>>>>>> If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will
it on X?
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode-
type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped
by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a
few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems
a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET
traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's
largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
Putting them on a website (even a private one) lets you make a permanent
copy on archive.org, so that stuff doesn't get lost as easily. Does
that work with Dropbox?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
I hope not. Most of my Dropbox files are private, unless I furnish a
public link.
John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 17:09:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2023-12-24 18:10, John Larkin wrote:> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50
-0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:have, check out
On 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
<2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will
it on X?
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all
messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode- >>>>>>> type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped >>>>>>> by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a >>>>>>> few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems >>>>>>> a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET >>>>>>> traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's
largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public
links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
Putting them on a website (even a private one) lets you make a permanent >>> copy on archive.org, so that stuff doesn't get lost as easily. Does
that work with Dropbox?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
I hope not. Most of my Dropbox files are private, unless I furnish a
public link.
;)
It’s the public links we’re discussing, unless of course you feel that the >traffic level here has fallen beneath notice.
Does archive.org save them if you ask them to? I do that routinely for
links that I want to see preserved (mine and others’).
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 23:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 17:09:06 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2023-12-24 18:10, John Larkin wrote:> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:34:50
-0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
wrote:have, check out
On 2023-12-16, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Fri, 15 Dec 2023 10:28:50 -0800) it happened
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote in
<2giu4k-mnpv.ln1@coop.radagast.org>:
In article <341656@dontemail.com>, Wanderer <dont@emailme.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> If you want an idea about what effect Google Groups exit will
it on X?
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/#stats
1 google.com 59.049068
How much of that is spam?
I recently became thoroughly fed up, and started filtering all >>>>>>>> messages originating from googlegroups out of my small leafnode- >>>>>>>> type feed.
The total traffic in most newgroups which still had any, dropped >>>>>>>> by about 90%.
I don't doubt I'm missing a few interesting messages posted by a >>>>>>>> few interesting humans... but the massive reduction in spam seems >>>>>>>> a worthwhile price to pay.
It will be interesting to see if the volume and quality of USENET >>>>>>>> traffic ever starts to recover from the damage done by Google's >>>>>>>> largely-unmanaged flooding from googlegroups.
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead. >>>>>>> Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
I mean, I'd be happy to show you lot my ham-fisted attempts at
circuitry (just gotta figure out how to do that, I guess)
Dropbox is free and a handy way to back up files, and to make public >>>>> links. Just take a pic of a schematic or a board.
Putting them on a website (even a private one) lets you make a permanent >>>> copy on archive.org, so that stuff doesn't get lost as easily. Does
that work with Dropbox?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
I hope not. Most of my Dropbox files are private, unless I furnish a
public link.
;)
ItÂ’s the public links weÂ’re discussing, unless of course you feel that the >> traffic level here has fallen beneath notice.
Agree, not much electronics happens here any more. But I doubt that archive.org opens my links and saves the files.
Does archive.org save them if you ask them to? I do that routinely for
links that I want to see preserved (mine and othersÂ’).
I never thought about that. Anyone who values my intellectual
treasures should download them while they can.
On 12/16/2023 8:11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
....
Well, John Larkin could start a conversation or whatever they call it
on X?
I left twitter years ago, but maybe I would follow it.
If Usenet dies...
Indeed many Usenet groups I used to read are dead or almost dead.
Downloading the group list is long, but many are empty.
Larkin is one of the few here that actually shows circuits.
An other alternative is groups.io
I am subscribed to one of their groups, but not active there ATM.
A possible replacement to a usenet group would be a mailing list.
Most of us do have a domain and could host it. It won't be as free
as usenet as the hosting person(s) will have control - and also
plenty of work on their hands to fend off the spammers who are trying
to kill this group (they tried CAE, too, saw no traffic there and
let it go).
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