• Re: Energy Use of Individual Water Heaters

    From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Dec 12 10:30:56 2023
    On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 05:57:04 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    This is kinda ridiculous, but there's no getting around it:

    https://energycodeace.com/site/custom/public/reference-ace-2019/index.html#!Documents/b7energyuseofindividualwaterheaters.htm


    No getting around it? Just don't do it!

    Let people buy as much energy as they want to. Markets are better at
    managing markets than bureaucrats are.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Dec 12 15:32:47 2023
    On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 11:45:42 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 1:31:51?PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 05:57:04 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    This is kinda ridiculous, but there's no getting around it:

    https://energycodeace.com/site/custom/public/reference-ace-2019/index.html#!Documents/b7energyuseofindividualwaterheaters.htm
    No getting around it? Just don't do it!

    Let people buy as much energy as they want to. Markets are better at
    managing markets than bureaucrats are.

    Federal government is giving big tax credits of 30% total cost for purchase and installation of super high efficiency water heaters ( as in heat pump heater). That's a lot since even a low end one is $1500.

    "There are lots of ways to save on energy bills around the home by upgrading your appliances. Water heaters, air conditioners, and certain stoves qualify for a 30 percent tax credit when you upgrade to newer, more-efficient models."

    https://www.energy.gov/articles/5-ways-save-2023-home-energy-tax-credits

    One potential drawback of the heat pump heaters is the requirement of air space. Anything less than a roomy 10x10 sf installation will require a fully/partial louvered door and/or ducting for air intake and/or exhaust, about $300 additional parts.

    Various government policies will eventually collapse the electric grid
    and make our houses too hot or too cold, and then we'll get new
    policies.

    Women tend to be Democrats, but women like to be warm.

    (I have some friends in the cabin in Truckee and I can see the
    thermostat war on the Nest. It is set to either 68, or 72.)

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