• About 2 nm chips

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 12 05:48:22 2023
    The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Dec 12 10:03:03 2023
    On 12/12/23 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/


    Citation:
    "Today, terms such as “2 nanometer” and “3 nanometer” are
    widely used as shorthand for each new generation of chip,
    rather than a semiconductor’s actual physical dimensions."

    So I imagine we shall soon have 1nm, 0.5nm, 0.2nm and so on.

    Oh, well.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Mike Monett VE3BTI@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Tue Dec 12 13:50:57 2023
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 12/12/23 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-
    and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/


    Citation:
    "Today, terms such as “2 nanometer” and “3 nanometer” are
    widely used as shorthand for each new generation of chip,
    rather than a semiconductor’s actual physical dimensions."

    So I imagine we shall soon have 1nm, 0.5nm, 0.2nm and so on.

    Oh, well.

    Jeroen Belleman

    The size refers to the dimension of the smallest feature. Silicon's atomic
    size is about 0.2 nanometers. Today's transistors are about 70 silicon
    atoms wide, so the possibility of making them even smaller is itself
    shrinking. We're getting very close to the limit of how small we can make a transistor.




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    MRM

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to kraken.sankey@gmail.com on Wed Dec 13 05:34:29 2023
    On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:54:17 +0000) it happened TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote in <ulaoaq$3r8bn$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 12/12/2023 05:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/
    My first custom chip was 5 micron- by Ferranti

    Long ago somebody told me 'with the way ever more integration happens we will be able to store whole movies on a chip'.
    I was not so sure, that was before MPEG compression was invented.
    Then it really happened, now also without compression...
    What's next...?
    Indeed the limit is in the size of those Si atoms...

    OTOH after WW3 and big EMPs, maybe keep some old tubes for communication... Radiation effect on atom sized transistors? Chips?

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