• Re: explain the physics

    From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to RichD on Mon Dec 11 10:46:19 2023
    On 11/12/2023 01:31, RichD wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

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    Rich

    Gyroscope combined with a fan/rotor?

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    Cheers
    Clive

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to RichD on Mon Dec 11 12:18:31 2023
    On 11/12/2023 01:31, RichD wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    Simple enough. It is a gyro stabilised fan and it will fly horizontally
    in roughly the direction that you lean it towards. Quite ingenious.

    Not unlike a model autogyro.


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    Martin Brown

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to utube.jocjo@xoxy.net on Tue Dec 12 06:15:40 2023
    On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Dec 2023 10:44:21 -0800 (PST)) it happened John Smiht <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote in <d31cfb0b-6b9b-4c0d-b454-02a1df68a9e3n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 7:32:01 PM UTC-6, RichD wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

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    Rich

    You can get one for about 30 bucks and take it apart. Then you can explain = >it to yourself
    and others. Called Wonder Sphere.

    Is this < 5 dollar ball the same thing?
    ebay.com/itm/235266308381
    free shipping!

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  • From brian@21:1/5 to RichD on Tue Dec 12 06:58:41 2023
    In message <0f4c25de-5d83-43f3-97b0-006a09cb0d63n@googlegroups.com>,
    RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> writes >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

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    Rich

    The Galaspheres featured in Space Patrol operate on this principle .
    They use Yobba Rays to achieve escape velocity.

    Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX1l7J2OMGU

    Brian



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    Brian Howie

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to RichD on Wed Dec 13 13:25:15 2023
    On 13/12/2023 00:13, RichD wrote:
    On December 11, Martin Brown wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    Simple enough. It is a gyro stabilised fan and it will fly horizontally
    in roughly the direction that you lean it towards. Quite ingenious.

    It looks like a single propeller. How does it perform tricks in
    3 dimensions? The gyro is a separate device, which directs the
    tilt, something like that?

    No it is all one thing - except that there is a circular bar inside the
    frame that spins up with the fan and is probably where most of the gyro
    effect comes from. The whole spinning part provides gyro stabilisation
    and the angle you set it off from determines the trajectory.

    The propeller itself is also a gyro, which complicates things.

    Not really it is one distributed mass gyro but the gyro contribution is dominated by the parts that are furthest from the axis of rotation
    whilst the lift is mainly generated by the fan. There is also a little
    bit of lift from the spinning ball effect so beloved of cricketers.

    https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/beginners-guide-to-aeronautics/ideal-lift-of-a-spinning-ball/

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    Martin Brown

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  • From Clive Arthur@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Wed Dec 13 16:07:48 2023
    On 13/12/2023 13:25, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 00:13, RichD wrote:
    On December 11, Martin Brown wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    Simple enough. It is a gyro stabilised fan and it will fly horizontally
    in roughly the direction that you lean it towards. Quite ingenious.

    It looks like a single propeller.  How does it perform tricks in
    3 dimensions?  The gyro is a separate device, which directs the
    tilt, something like that?

    No it is all one thing - except that there is a circular bar inside the
    frame that spins up with the fan and is probably where most of the gyro effect comes from. The whole spinning part provides gyro stabilisation
    and the angle you set it off from determines the trajectory.

    The propeller itself is also a gyro, which complicates things.

    Not really it is one distributed mass gyro but the gyro contribution is dominated by the parts that are furthest from the axis of rotation
    whilst the lift is mainly generated by the fan. There is also a little
    bit of lift from the spinning ball effect so beloved of cricketers.

    https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/beginners-guide-to-aeronautics/ideal-lift-of-a-spinning-ball/


    And worth adding that it relies on the inertia of the frame to give it a
    few seconds of lift before the frame starts rotating and effectively
    slowing down the fan.

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    Cheers
    Clive

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Clive Arthur on Thu Dec 14 11:00:03 2023
    On 13/12/2023 16:07, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 13:25, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 00:13, RichD wrote:
    On December 11, Martin Brown wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    Simple enough. It is a gyro stabilised fan and it will fly horizontally >>>> in roughly the direction that you lean it towards. Quite ingenious.

    It looks like a single propeller.  How does it perform tricks in
    3 dimensions?  The gyro is a separate device, which directs the
    tilt, something like that?

    No it is all one thing - except that there is a circular bar inside
    the frame that spins up with the fan and is probably where most of the
    gyro effect comes from. The whole spinning part provides gyro
    stabilisation and the angle you set it off from determines the
    trajectory.

    The propeller itself is also a gyro, which complicates things.

    Not really it is one distributed mass gyro but the gyro contribution
    is dominated by the parts that are furthest from the axis of rotation
    whilst the lift is mainly generated by the fan. There is also a little
    bit of lift from the spinning ball effect so beloved of cricketers.

    https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/beginners-guide-to-aeronautics/ideal-lift-of-a-spinning-ball/


    And worth adding that it relies on the inertia of the frame to give it a
    few seconds of lift before the frame starts rotating and effectively
    slowing down the fan.

    It is still a cute physics toy - I want one!

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    Martin Brown

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Thu Dec 14 11:31:35 2023
    On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:00:03 +0000) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <ulen7s$1bn2e$1@dont-email.me>:

    On 13/12/2023 16:07, Clive Arthur wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 13:25, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 00:13, RichD wrote:
    On December 11, Martin Brown wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    Simple enough. It is a gyro stabilised fan and it will fly horizontally >>>>> in roughly the direction that you lean it towards. Quite ingenious.

    It looks like a single propeller.  How does it perform tricks in
    3 dimensions?  The gyro is a separate device, which directs the
    tilt, something like that?

    No it is all one thing - except that there is a circular bar inside
    the frame that spins up with the fan and is probably where most of the
    gyro effect comes from. The whole spinning part provides gyro
    stabilisation and the angle you set it off from determines the
    trajectory.

    The propeller itself is also a gyro, which complicates things.

    Not really it is one distributed mass gyro but the gyro contribution
    is dominated by the parts that are furthest from the axis of rotation
    whilst the lift is mainly generated by the fan. There is also a little
    bit of lift from the spinning ball effect so beloved of cricketers.

    https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/beginners-guide-to-aeronautics/ideal-lift-of-a-spinning-ball/


    And worth adding that it relies on the inertia of the frame to give it a
    few seconds of lift before the frame starts rotating and effectively
    slowing down the fan.

    It is still a cute physics toy - I want one!

    I already ordered one from ebay
    Has been shipped, expected arrival end of January.

    Now as to what will fly on it and what will control it
    https://panteltje.online/panteltje/quadcopter/index.html

    I seem to also have the domain panteltje.online these days...
    That distances me from .nl politics supporting israeli genocide on Palestinian

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to r_delaney2001@yahoo.com on Thu Dec 21 20:07:17 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:50:20 -0800 (PST), RichD
    <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On December 11, John Smiht wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    You can get one for about 30 bucks and take it apart. Then you can explain it to yourself
    and others. Called Wonder Sphere.

    I'm not sure about that - I recall as a youngun, taking apart a coffee >percolator, remember those? >https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.32COhd4K0iOkWcR4YXzT-AHaJJ

    What the hey, just a tube and a basket, how does this thing work?
    It violates the laws of chemistry!

    So you see, reverse engineering doesn't always go as planned -

    PS I have a little quiz of science, math, and economics, which I
    spring on unsuspecting victims. This percolator is one. No one
    has yet answered correctly. Either they claim it's magic, or guess
    the water boils and bubbles up the tube.

    .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosiphon>

    Joe

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to joegwinn@comcast.net on Fri Dec 22 06:24:46 2023
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:07:17 -0500) it happened Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <89o9oip1empu30inmjqarfotitc2oi6pcv@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 15:50:20 -0800 (PST), RichD
    <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On December 11, John Smiht wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx49fCw1lk

    You can get one for about 30 bucks and take it apart. Then you can explain it to yourself
    and others. Called Wonder Sphere.

    I'm not sure about that - I recall as a youngun, taking apart a coffee >>percolator, remember those? >>https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.32COhd4K0iOkWcR4YXzT-AHaJJ

    What the hey, just a tube and a basket, how does this thing work?
    It violates the laws of chemistry!

    So you see, reverse engineering doesn't always go as planned -

    PS I have a little quiz of science, math, and economics, which I
    spring on unsuspecting victims. This percolator is one. No one
    has yet answered correctly. Either they claim it's magic, or guess
    the water boils and bubbles up the tube.

    .<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosiphon>


    Yesterday my magic ball arrived :-)
    Been playing with it, has VERY bright LEDs, needs sunglasses ..
    and outside a heavy storm with rain and hail,
    Anyways had it floating above my hand, comes back too if you throw it the right way..
    but will try later outside when weather improves as there is too much - like monitor screens - here that can be damaged
    if something goes wrong.
    Fun toy

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