• Re: The Cop28 president has claimed there is “no science” behind calls

    From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 00:40:42 2023
    On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:11:32 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:32:07?PM UTC-5, a a wrote:
    The Cop28 president has claimed there is “no science” behind calls to phase-out fossil fuels as a way of limiting global heating to 1.5C. The remarks by Sultan Ahmed al Jaber, the United Arab Emirate’s designated leader of the summit in Dubai,
    resurfaced on Sunday, sparking a backlash from some experts.
    Cop28 chief says there is ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-…
    www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/sultan-al-jaber-cop28-fossil-phase-out-b2457663.html

    That story has been repeated all over the place and it's a mistranslation of what the Sultan said. He meant there is an absence of scientific guidance on just exactly how a phase-out should occur in order to avoid a global economic collapse.

    That's what a spokesperson tried to rephrase.

    He clearly said that phasing out fossil fuels would return us to
    living in caves.

    That would of course have to be warm caves, when we can find one.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Mon Dec 4 10:38:12 2023
    On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 09:35:50 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:16:37?PM UTC-5, a a wrote:
    On Monday, 4 December 2023 at 02:11:37 UTC+1, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:32:07?PM UTC-5, a a wrote:
    The Cop28 president has claimed there is “no science” behind calls to phase-out fossil fuels as a way of limiting global heating to 1.5C. The remarks by Sultan Ahmed al Jaber, the United Arab Emirate’s designated leader of the summit in Dubai,
    resurfaced on Sunday, sparking a backlash from some experts.
    Cop28 chief says there is ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-…
    www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/sultan-al-jaber-cop28-fossil-phase-out-b2457663.html
    That story has been repeated all over the place and it's a mistranslation of what the Sultan said. He meant there is an absence of scientific guidance on just exactly how a phase-out should occur in order to avoid a global economic collapse.
    You are not correct

    "During an online event alongside former Irish president Mary Robinson last month, Mr Jaber insisted a phase-out of oil would not allow sustainable development “unless you want to take the world back into caves”.

    You need to 'de-confuse' your purpose in reading news reports as to whether you're going to do a superficial document analysis, or, alternatively, actually comprehend the information broadcast. These COPxx things are ALL about the economics of
    transitioning to clean fuels, and not to discuss the merits or demerits of the science.

    But that's what he did. Somebody has to question orthodoxy, especially
    when so much is at stake.

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