• New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 05:12:58 2023
    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Nov 29 21:24:26 2023
    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    The novelty seems to be restricted to their using fracking techniques to get access to enough hot rock to let them collect a respectable amount of thermal power.

    That is new and does sound promising, but the chemical com,position of the water they circulate could get interesting. The stuff that dissolved in it deep underground might come out of solution after it has been cooled off in the generating plant.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Nov 29 23:45:37 2023
    On 11/29/23 23:12, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    Interesting.

    Thank you for sharing.



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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 30 05:53:43 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 30 13:56:55 2023
    John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?



    Zoning.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Thu Nov 30 06:12:55 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?



    Zoning.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    "There's a woman behind every tree, and the nearest tree is three
    hundred miles away."

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 30 09:11:12 2023
    On 11/30/23 07:53, John Larkin wrote:
    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible.

    It might be sub-optimal part of the time (day). But other parts of the
    time (night) it may be more optimal than elsewhere.

    Where does all that water come from?

    Piped / trucked in just like it would be for other things built in the area.

    I strongly suspect that some ~> most of the water is re-used for
    multiple cycles.

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    Not all holes in the ground are equal.

    I strongly suspect if a new hole could bring up oil or natural gas then
    it would already be doing so or on a list to start doing so soon.

    I suspect there are far more places that such a hole won't provide oil
    or natural gas but could provide hot water.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?

    Many deserts can get quite cold at night. Massive temperature swings
    between day and night.

    Land is probably significantly less expensive in the desert than many
    other places.

    Experiment to see if something is possible.



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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 30 15:20:04 2023
    John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?



    Zoning.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    "There's a woman behind every tree, and the nearest tree is three
    hundred miles away."



    Funny thing, instead of being an aquifer-desecrating environmental
    sacrilege, fracking becomes an excellent green energy idea as soon as it’s aligned with the ESG grift.

    This despite needing to do orders of magnitude more of it, due to the very low-density, low-quality energy produced.

    (Before the fanbois get started: yes, energy is energy, but how useful it
    is depends on how much entropy comes with it.)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jl@997PotHill.com on Thu Nov 30 15:42:49 2023
    On a sunny day (Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:53:43 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <a64hmi14fer9vcmjj763j792aku6t5g3ap@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    But it would make CO2 (a well known deadly poison gas I'v heard).


    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?

    The power plant is there because it is close to the power lines,
    The data center could be anywhere.
    As long as it is not a bitcoin mining plant ..:
    A single Bitcoin transaction could cost as much water as a backyard swimming pool:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231129112406.htm





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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Nov 30 17:13:13 2023
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 10:20:14 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    John Larkin <j...@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <j...@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> >>>>> wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert >>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/

    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate
    power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water >>>>> to 800c.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?



    Zoning.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    "There's a woman behind every tree, and the nearest tree is three
    hundred miles away."


    Funny thing, instead of being an aquifer-desecrating environmental
    sacrilege, fracking becomes an excellent green energy idea as soon as it’s >> aligned with the ESG grift.

    This despite needing to do orders of magnitude more of it, due to the very >> low-density, low-quality energy produced.

    (Before the fanbois get started: yes, energy is energy, but how useful it
    is depends on how much entropy comes with it.)

    This is not fracking- which I assume is a contraction of fluid-cracking
    of rock. Cracking is the last thing they want to do because it means loss
    of fluid. They've gone to great lengths to find rock free of fractures.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
    Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics


    Read the article.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Thu Nov 30 09:13:59 2023
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 15:20:04 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 13:56:55 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert >>>>> https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?



    Zoning.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    "There's a woman behind every tree, and the nearest tree is three
    hundred miles away."



    Funny thing, instead of being an aquifer-desecrating environmental
    sacrilege, fracking becomes an excellent green energy idea as soon as it’s >aligned with the ESG grift.

    Good point. I wonder if they are using the customary fracking
    chemicals... in their feed water.



    This despite needing to do orders of magnitude more of it, due to the very >low-density, low-quality energy produced.

    There you go, using numbers again.


    (Before the fanbois get started: yes, energy is energy, but how useful it
    is depends on how much entropy comes with it.)


    The critical parameter is delta-T, which sucks when the water is tepid
    and the cooling is from fans and evaporation in the Nevada desert.

    This sounds like another raise-a-lot-of-investment-money from people
    who can't do basic math. That's always fun while it lasts.

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Nov 30 23:56:39 2023
    On 11/30/23 16:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:53:43 -0800) it happened John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <a64hmi14fer9vcmjj763j792aku6t5g3ap@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:12:58 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    New type of geothermal power plant powers data centers in the desert
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/11/new-type-of-geothermal-power-plant-powers-data-centers-in-the-desert/
    Pilot plant in Nevada uses tech from fracking to generate power in arid landscape.

    I wonder what the cost per KWH is. Drilling holes into dry rock to
    heat a bit of pumped-down water to get 191 degrees c water sounds
    absurd to me. Look at those giant cooling towers blowing steam into
    the air in a desert; the thermodynamics is terrible. Where does all
    that water come from?

    If that same hole brought up oil or natural gas, it could heat water
    to 800c.

    But it would make CO2 (a well known deadly poison gas I'v heard).


    Why locate a data center in the Nevada desert?

    The power plant is there because it is close to the power lines,
    The data center could be anywhere.
    As long as it is not a bitcoin mining plant ..:
    A single Bitcoin transaction could cost as much water as a backyard swimming pool:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231129112406.htm

    Bitcoin should be terminated. It's criminally wasteful of real
    resources.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Mike Monett VE3BTI@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri Dec 1 11:42:33 2023
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    As long as it is not a bitcoin mining plant ..:
    A single Bitcoin transaction could cost as much water as a backyard
    swimming pool:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231129112406.htm

    Bitcoin should be terminated. It's criminally wasteful of real
    resources.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Bitcoin is on a roll, increasing at a linear rate of $3,600 per month. It
    is expected to be approved by the SEC, which will increase the price. The
    next halving is in April, when the price will jump. I will be very rich
    before any action is taken on Bitcoin.

    The claim of water usage is rediculous. It is not taken from areas that
    have little, but only where it is plentiful. Microsoft is planting data
    centers underwater in the ocean for cooling.

    Transportation is the most energy-intensive process on the planet. Energy wasted idling in stop-and-go traffic is huge. Private jets use a
    significant amount, and regular passenger jets burn an enormous amount.

    Talk to me about Bitcoin when you have addressed the rest of the far
    greater energy wasted on other processes.



    --
    MRM

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamme@not.com on Fri Dec 1 16:33:52 2023
    On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Dec 2023 11:42:33 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett VE3BTI <spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsB0CD443FD8658idtokenpost@135.181.20.170>:

    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    As long as it is not a bitcoin mining plant ..:
    A single Bitcoin transaction could cost as much water as a backyard
    swimming pool:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231129112406.htm

    Bitcoin should be terminated. It's criminally wasteful of real
    resources.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Bitcoin is on a roll, increasing at a linear rate of $3,600 per month. It
    is expected to be approved by the SEC, which will increase the price. The >next halving is in April, when the price will jump. I will be very rich >before any action is taken on Bitcoin.

    The claim of water usage is rediculous. It is not taken from areas that
    have little, but only where it is plentiful. Microsoft is planting data >centers underwater in the ocean for cooling.

    Transportation is the most energy-intensive process on the planet. Energy >wasted idling in stop-and-go traffic is huge. Private jets use a
    significant amount, and regular passenger jets burn an enormous amount.

    Talk to me about Bitcoin when you have addressed the rest of the far
    greater energy wasted on other processes.

    Bitcoin is a hoax, a way to white wash criminal money.
    Bitcoin will evaporate in WW3 as will other electronic stuff
    No more electrickety will do it.

    And that WW3 comes closer and closer now israel is killing kids in Gaza again that bunch of war criminals needs some adjustment ..

    Will adverizers now leave Usenet! Good!

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to spamme@not.com on Sat Dec 2 06:47:09 2023
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Dec 2023 11:42:33 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Mike Monett VE3BTI <spamme@not.com> wrote in <XnsB0CD443FD8658idtokenpost@135.181.20.170>:

    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    As long as it is not a bitcoin mining plant ..:
    A single Bitcoin transaction could cost as much water as a backyard
    swimming pool:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231129112406.htm

    Bitcoin should be terminated. It's criminally wasteful of real
    resources.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Bitcoin is on a roll, increasing at a linear rate of $3,600 per month. It
    is expected to be approved by the SEC, which will increase the price. The >next halving is in April, when the price will jump. I will be very rich >before any action is taken on Bitcoin.

    The claim of water usage is rediculous. It is not taken from areas that
    have little, but only where it is plentiful. Microsoft is planting data >centers underwater in the ocean for cooling.

    Transportation is the most energy-intensive process on the planet. Energy >wasted idling in stop-and-go traffic is huge. Private jets use a
    significant amount, and regular passenger jets burn an enormous amount.

    Talk to me about Bitcoin when you have addressed the rest of the far
    greater energy wasted on other processes.

    Bitcoin is a hoax, a way to white wash criminal money.
    Bitcoin will evaporate in WW3 as will other electronic stuff
    No more electrickety will do it.

    And that WW3 comes closer and closer now israel is killing kids in Gaza again that bunch of war criminals needs some adjustment ..

    Will adverizers now leave Usenet! Good!

    So, censoring X
    I now no longer will use products or work with these companies:
    Companies stopping advertizing on X after Musk remark.
    https://observer.com/2023/11/companies-suspend-ad-spending-x-elon-musk/
    The Walt Disney (DIS) Company
    Warner Bros. Discovery (WBD)
    Lionsgate
    Apple
    IBM
    Comcast (CMCSA) (the parent company of NBCUniversal, Yaccarino’s former employer)
    Paramount (PARA) Global
    Sony Pictures
    The Internet and Television Association
    Freedom of speech matters to me.
    I suggest everybody does.

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