• Adolphe Quetelet Brilliant Scientist

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 09:35:30 2023
    Invented the BMI.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Nov 23 11:42:11 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    A simple chart or graph of statistically healthy and unhealthy weights
    vs height would be just as good as BMI, probably better.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 15:01:31 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:42:11 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index>

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet>

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    A simple chart or graph of statistically healthy and unhealthy weights
    vs height would be just as good as BMI, probably better.

    That's exactly what is underneath the standard BMI curve.

    Look at reference 32 in the BMI Wiki cited above, where the full
    dataset is documented.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 12:16:00 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:31 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:42:11 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index>

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet>

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    A simple chart or graph of statistically healthy and unhealthy weights
    vs height would be just as good as BMI, probably better.

    That's exactly what is underneath the standard BMI curve.

    Look at reference 32 in the BMI Wiki cited above, where the full
    dataset is documented.

    Joe Gwinn

    Sure. The BMI calculation is just a way to make a simple thing more
    complex. That happens a lot.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Thu Nov 23 23:27:59 2023
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 23 23:28:05 2023
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 23 23:27:52 2023
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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 18:37:33 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 12:16:00 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:31 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:42:11 -0800, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs >>><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index>

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet>

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    A simple chart or graph of statistically healthy and unhealthy weights
    vs height would be just as good as BMI, probably better.

    That's exactly what is underneath the standard BMI curve.

    Look at reference 32 in the BMI Wiki cited above, where the full
    dataset is documented.

    Joe Gwinn

    Sure. The BMI calculation is just a way to make a simple thing more
    complex. That happens a lot.

    Actually, the medical intent was and still is to summarize a large
    space of body sizes and shapes into a single score number that does a reasonable albeit imperfect job of predicting prognosis probabilities,
    so the doctors will know where to focus, what to worry about first.

    But BMI has gone from a rule of thumb to holy writ, which it isn't.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Fri Nov 24 02:48:09 2023
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 23 20:19:44 2023
    On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:16:52 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:31 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote: >On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:42:11 -0800, John Larkin <j...@997PotHill.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index>

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet>

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    A simple chart or graph of statistically healthy and unhealthy weights >>vs height would be just as good as BMI, probably better.

    That's exactly what is underneath the standard BMI curve.

    Look at reference 32 in the BMI Wiki cited above, where the full
    dataset is documented.

    Sure. The BMI calculation is just a way to make a simple thing more complex. That happens a lot.

    The BMI is the simplest way of taking out the influence of height on body weight. If you know a simpler one, tell us about it.

    --
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  • From legg@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Fri Nov 24 08:00:11 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    I'm wondering why a professor of mathematics considers the
    uses of such an arbitrary measurement to be within his own
    bailiwick, or why its 19th century developer should be
    considered 'brilliant'.

    RL

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to legg on Fri Nov 24 08:17:23 2023
    On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 8:00:04 AM UTC-5, legg wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Invented the BMI.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.
    I'm wondering why a professor of mathematics considers the
    uses of such an arbitrary measurement to be within his own
    bailiwick, or why its 19th century developer should be
    considered 'brilliant'.

    This was so long ago that just about all of probability and mathematical statistics was cutting edge and distributed across a disorganized mess of unorganized literature, if at all. Michael Faraday was just getting started at this time.





    RL

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Nov 24 08:27:22 2023
    On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 3:16:52 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:01:31 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:42:11 -0800, John Larkin <j...@997PotHill.com> >wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:35:30 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Invented the BMI.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index>

    It's not perfect but to this day nothing better has been found.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet>

    There's a YT video made by a mathematics full professor at Stanford calling Quetelet's BMI a 'hack'. Just goes to show, credentials don't cover for ignorance and stupidity.

    A simple chart or graph of statistically healthy and unhealthy weights >>vs height would be just as good as BMI, probably better.

    That's exactly what is underneath the standard BMI curve.

    Look at reference 32 in the BMI Wiki cited above, where the full
    dataset is documented.

    Joe Gwinn
    Sure. The BMI calculation is just a way to make a simple thing more
    complex. That happens a lot.

    Quetelet took his cue from 'BMI' on trees to conclude BMI is mass divided by height squared. You would think it would be height x width or some correlation thereof. But his analysis of the data was height encapsulates the width-effect, if any, in its
    measurement.

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