• Geometric Mean

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 22 11:39:51 2023
    Very nice wiki article on the subject, one of three Pythagorean means.

    The overview of the applications is interesting. Things like:

    The geometric mean is more appropriate than the arithmetic mean for describing proportional growth, both exponential growth (constant proportional growth) and varying growth; in business the geometric mean of growth rates is known as the compound annual
    growth rate (CAGR). The geometric mean of growth over periods yields the equivalent constant growth rate that would yield the same final amount.

    The geometric mean has from time to time been used to calculate financial indices (the averaging is over the components of the index). For example, in the past the FT 30 index used a geometric mean.[8] It is also used in the CPI calculation[9] and
    recently introduced "RPIJ" measure of inflation in the United Kingdom and in the European Union.

    Although the geometric mean has been relatively rare in computing social statistics, starting from 2010 the United Nations Human Development Index did switch to this mode of calculation, on the grounds that it better reflected the non-substitutable
    nature of the statistics being compiled and compared:

    The geometric mean decreases the level of substitutability between dimensions [being compared] and at the same time ensures that a 1 percent decline in say life expectancy at birth has the same impact on the HDI as a 1 percent decline in education or
    income. Thus, as a basis for comparisons of achievements, this method is also more respectful of the intrinsic differences across the dimensions than a simple average.[10]

    Distance to the horizon of a sphere (ignoring the effect of atmospheric refraction when atmosphere is present) is equal to the geometric mean of the distance to the closest point of the sphere and the distance to the farthest point of the sphere.

    The geometric mean has been used in choosing a compromise aspect ratio in film and video: given two aspect ratios, the geometric mean of them provides a compromise between them, distorting or cropping both in some sense equally.

    The geometric mean is also used to calculate B and C series paper formats.

    More:

    Spectral flatness: in signal processing, spectral flatness, a measure of how flat or spiky a spectrum is, is defined as the ratio of the geometric mean of the power spectrum to its arithmetic mean.

    Anti-reflective coatings: In optical coatings, where reflection needs to be minimised between two media of refractive indices n0 and n2, the optimum refractive index n1 of the anti-reflective coating is given by the geometric mean:
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    1
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    n_{1}={\sqrt {n_{0}n_{2}}}.

    Subtractive color mixing: The spectral reflectance curve for paint mixtures (of equal tinting strength, opacity and dilution) is approximately the geometric mean of the paints' individual reflectance curves computed at each wavelength of their spectra.[
    15]

    Image processing: The geometric mean filter is used as a noise filter in image processing.

    Labor compensation: The geometric mean of a subsistence wage and market value of the labor using capital of employer was suggested as the natural wage by Johann von Thünen in 1875.[16]

    What is it about the geometric of the geometric mean making it so appropriate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Nov 22 15:33:53 2023
    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:39:58 AM UTC-8, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Very nice wiki article on the subject, one of three Pythagorean means.

    The overview of the applications is interesting. Things like: ...

    Labor compensation: The geometric mean of a subsistence wage and market value of the labor using capital of employer was suggested as the natural wage by Johann von Thünen in 1875.[16]

    What is it about the geometric of the geometric mean making it so appropriate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean

    Yeah, once, on jury duty doing a compensation calculation, I noted that
    the square root of the product of the plaintiff's and defendant's suggested numbers was very close to what our tabulation yielded.

    After being laughed off, one of the other jurors (a professional at accounting) made the same observation, using percentage scaling figures...

    So, there's a lot of geometric mean applications, and I wonder if the defendant's lawyer
    expected X and low-balled by a percentage while the plaintiff's lawyer expected X and
    high-balled by the same percentage. Who knows? Not me.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 07:59:13 2023
    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:33:58 PM UTC-5, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:39:58 AM UTC-8, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Very nice wiki article on the subject, one of three Pythagorean means.

    The overview of the applications is interesting. Things like: ...
    Labor compensation: The geometric mean of a subsistence wage and market value of the labor using capital of employer was suggested as the natural wage by Johann von Thünen in 1875.[16]

    What is it about the geometric of the geometric mean making it so appropriate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean
    Yeah, once, on jury duty doing a compensation calculation, I noted that
    the square root of the product of the plaintiff's and defendant's suggested numbers was very close to what our tabulation yielded.

    After being laughed off, one of the other jurors (a professional at accounting)
    made the same observation, using percentage scaling figures...

    So, there's a lot of geometric mean applications, and I wonder if the defendant's lawyer
    expected X and low-balled by a percentage while the plaintiff's lawyer expected X and
    high-balled by the same percentage. Who knows? Not me.

    The answer is "it's complicated." Link to ultra-simplified description of the kind of thing that goes on behind the scenes is below. The part he glosses over is settling on the 50% probability estimates, and there may even be cases where they can't even
    get that much. In critically important cases, one side or another may bring a behavioral psychoanalyst to the courtroom where he/she critically observes members of the jury looking at such things as how they're dressed, their posture, reactive
    expressions, manner of speaking, their profession, social/economic status, educational background, literacy, and probably a hundred other traits. Main thing is to eliminate a juror who will probably not be very receptive to their side, but they can also
    use the info to customize maximally persuasive arguments. For example, a prosecutor will want to remove from a hate crime trial a prospective juror with a history of posting neo-Nazi diatribes online, and a civil case involving corporate will want to
    remove a union organizing reprobate.

    https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=290e059f-21db-4873-af13-4e28bd3d2fad

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Nov 23 09:22:14 2023
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:39:51 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Very nice wiki article on the subject, one of three Pythagorean means.

    The overview of the applications is interesting. Things like:

    The geometric mean is more appropriate than the arithmetic mean for describing proportional growth, both exponential growth (constant proportional growth) and varying growth; in business the geometric mean of growth rates is known as the compound annual
    growth rate (CAGR). The geometric mean of growth over periods yields the equivalent constant growth rate that would yield the same final amount.

    The geometric mean has from time to time been used to calculate financial indices (the averaging is over the components of the index). For example, in the past the FT 30 index used a geometric mean.[8] It is also used in the CPI calculation[9] and
    recently introduced "RPIJ" measure of inflation in the United Kingdom and in the European Union.

    Although the geometric mean has been relatively rare in computing social statistics, starting from 2010 the United Nations Human Development Index did switch to this mode of calculation, on the grounds that it better reflected the non-substitutable
    nature of the statistics being compiled and compared:

    The geometric mean decreases the level of substitutability between dimensions [being compared] and at the same time ensures that a 1 percent decline in say life expectancy at birth has the same impact on the HDI as a 1 percent decline in education or
    income. Thus, as a basis for comparisons of achievements, this method is also more respectful of the intrinsic differences across the dimensions than a simple average.[10]

    Distance to the horizon of a sphere (ignoring the effect of atmospheric refraction when atmosphere is present) is equal to the geometric mean of the distance to the closest point of the sphere and the distance to the farthest point of the sphere.

    The geometric mean has been used in choosing a compromise aspect ratio in film and video: given two aspect ratios, the geometric mean of them provides a compromise between them, distorting or cropping both in some sense equally.

    The geometric mean is also used to calculate B and C series paper formats.

    More:

    Spectral flatness: in signal processing, spectral flatness, a measure of how flat or spiky a spectrum is, is defined as the ratio of the geometric mean of the power spectrum to its arithmetic mean.

    Anti-reflective coatings: In optical coatings, where reflection needs to be minimised between two media of refractive indices n0 and n2, the optimum refractive index n1 of the anti-reflective coating is given by the geometric mean:
    ?
    1
    =
    ?
    0
    ?
    2
    n_{1}={\sqrt {n_{0}n_{2}}}.

    Subtractive color mixing: The spectral reflectance curve for paint mixtures (of equal tinting strength, opacity and dilution) is approximately the geometric mean of the paints' individual reflectance curves computed at each wavelength of their spectra.[
    15]

    Image processing: The geometric mean filter is used as a noise filter in image processing.

    Labor compensation: The geometric mean of a subsistence wage and market value of the labor using capital of employer was suggested as the natural wage by Johann von Thünen in 1875.[16]

    What is it about the geometric of the geometric mean making it so appropriate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean

    Given two wild guesses that are far apart, like 4:1 for instance, the
    gm is the safest guess. It's only off by 2:1 worst case in either
    direction and is probably better.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Nov 23 09:29:47 2023
    On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:23:06 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 11:39:51 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Very nice wiki article on the subject, one of three Pythagorean means.

    The overview of the applications is interesting. Things like:

    The geometric mean is more appropriate than the arithmetic mean for describing proportional growth, both exponential growth (constant proportional growth) and varying growth; in business the geometric mean of growth rates is known as the compound
    annual growth rate (CAGR). The geometric mean of growth over periods yields the equivalent constant growth rate that would yield the same final amount.

    The geometric mean has from time to time been used to calculate financial indices (the averaging is over the components of the index). For example, in the past the FT 30 index used a geometric mean.[8] It is also used in the CPI calculation[9] and
    recently introduced "RPIJ" measure of inflation in the United Kingdom and in the European Union.

    Although the geometric mean has been relatively rare in computing social statistics, starting from 2010 the United Nations Human Development Index did switch to this mode of calculation, on the grounds that it better reflected the non-substitutable
    nature of the statistics being compiled and compared:

    The geometric mean decreases the level of substitutability between dimensions [being compared] and at the same time ensures that a 1 percent decline in say life expectancy at birth has the same impact on the HDI as a 1 percent decline in education or
    income. Thus, as a basis for comparisons of achievements, this method is also more respectful of the intrinsic differences across the dimensions than a simple average.[10]

    Distance to the horizon of a sphere (ignoring the effect of atmospheric refraction when atmosphere is present) is equal to the geometric mean of the distance to the closest point of the sphere and the distance to the farthest point of the sphere.

    The geometric mean has been used in choosing a compromise aspect ratio in film and video: given two aspect ratios, the geometric mean of them provides a compromise between them, distorting or cropping both in some sense equally.

    The geometric mean is also used to calculate B and C series paper formats.

    More:

    Spectral flatness: in signal processing, spectral flatness, a measure of how flat or spiky a spectrum is, is defined as the ratio of the geometric mean of the power spectrum to its arithmetic mean.

    Anti-reflective coatings: In optical coatings, where reflection needs to be minimised between two media of refractive indices n0 and n2, the optimum refractive index n1 of the anti-reflective coating is given by the geometric mean:
    ?
    1
    =
    ?
    0
    ?
    2
    n_{1}={\sqrt {n_{0}n_{2}}}.

    Subtractive color mixing: The spectral reflectance curve for paint mixtures (of equal tinting strength, opacity and dilution) is approximately the geometric mean of the paints' individual reflectance curves computed at each wavelength of their spectra.
    [15]

    Image processing: The geometric mean filter is used as a noise filter in image processing.

    Labor compensation: The geometric mean of a subsistence wage and market value of the labor using capital of employer was suggested as the natural wage by Johann von Thünen in 1875.[16]

    What is it about the geometric of the geometric mean making it so appropriate?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_mean
    Given two wild guesses that are far apart, like 4:1 for instance, the
    gm is the safest guess. It's only off by 2:1 worst case in either
    direction and is probably better.

    That's a very reasonable assumption given the log nature of the g.mean.

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    The arsehole Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> persisting in being an Off-topic troll...

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    The arsehole John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com> persisting in being an Off-topic troll...

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