• Breakthrough Research Unveils True Cause of Battery Degradation

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 19 06:37:11 2023
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html

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  • From John Smiht@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sun Nov 19 09:50:09 2023
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html

    Sloman Rating: "on-topic" - science, 0

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Smiht on Sun Nov 19 12:58:37 2023
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, John Smiht wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html
    Sloman Rating: "on-topic" - science, 0

    It's out of PNNL and is MAJOR news for battery researchers and manufacturers and OEMs who use them.

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  • From John Smiht@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sun Nov 19 18:37:51 2023
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:58:42 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, John Smiht wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html
    Sloman Rating: "on-topic" - science, 0
    It's out of PNNL and is MAJOR news for battery researchers and manufacturers and OEMs who use them.

    How would _you_ rate it?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sun Nov 19 20:58:46 2023
    On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 7:58:42 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, John Smiht wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html
    Sloman Rating: "on-topic" - science, 0

    It's out of PNNL and is MAJOR news for battery researchers and manufacturers and OEMs who use them.

    It's not major news - nobody has used it to make better batteries yet, and while the inventors are hopeful that it might be exploited to do that, it may just be a much of an irrelevant distraction as the interest in dendritic lithium deposits was before
    it.

    It is science - rather than electronicis - so less "on-topic" and helpful rather than useful, so +1.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Nov 20 09:23:16 2023
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:58:51 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 7:58:42 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, John Smiht wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html
    Sloman Rating: "on-topic" - science, 0

    It's out of PNNL and is MAJOR news for battery researchers and manufacturers and OEMs who use them.
    It's not major news - nobody has used it to make better batteries yet, and while the inventors are hopeful that it might be exploited to do that, it may just be a much of an irrelevant distraction as the interest in dendritic lithium deposits was
    before it.

    Characterizing and quantifying the conductance of the SEI has been an open question for over a decade. Since a more complete understanding contributes directly to battery performance, the lab finally cut loose about a million bucks for the reported
    research. You can get an idea of what's going on by scoping out 'references' in the sidebar. You don't need a subscription to see them.

    I'm assuming the myriad of people interested in this SEI are not doing it as an avocation, but because they're actually designing batteries.



    It is science - rather than electronicis - so less "on-topic" and helpful rather than useful, so +1.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Mon Nov 20 18:53:03 2023
    On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 4:23:22 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:58:51 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 7:58:42 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, John Smiht wrote:
    On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    The study shows that the buildup on battery electrodes is a side effect, not the root cause, of performance loss.

    Researchers found that the solid electrolyte interphase layer is semi-conductive, allowing electron leakage and impacting battery life.

    This research could lead to the development of better batteries with extended lifecycles and minimized capacity losses.

    “Even slight variations of the rate of conduction through the SEI can result in dramatic differences in efficiency and battery cycling stability,” Wang added.

    I take it the leakage means increased self-discharge?

    And the 'efficiency' referred to is ratio of stored charge to Ampere-hours recharging current?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Breakthrough-Research-Unveils-True-Cause-of-Battery-Degradation.html
    Sloman Rating: "on-topic" - science, 0

    It's out of PNNL and is MAJOR news for battery researchers and manufacturers and OEMs who use them.

    It's not major news - nobody has used it to make better batteries yet, and while the inventors are hopeful that it might be exploited to do that, it may just be a much of an irrelevant distraction as the interest in dendritic lithium deposits was
    before it.

    Characterizing and quantifying the conductance of the SEI has been an open question for over a decade. Since a more complete understanding contributes directly to battery performance, the lab finally cut loose about a million bucks for the reported
    research. You can get an idea of what's going on by scoping out 'references' in the sidebar. You don't need a subscription to see them.

    The whole point of the paper was to boast about a technique that finally let them do it.

    I'm assuming the myriad of people interested in this SEI are not doing it as an avocation, but because they're actually designing batteries.

    Of course they are, but nobody has used it to improve the solid electrolyte interphase layer yet.

    It is science - rather than electronics - so less "on-topic" and helpful rather than useful, so +1.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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