• Linear Actuators and Positioning

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 11:20:15 2023
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators. Seems like a strange characteristic.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Fri Nov 17 20:27:36 2023
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so
    common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators.
    Seems like a strange characteristic.


    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)

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    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Fri Nov 17 16:19:02 2023
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so
    common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators. Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Fri Nov 17 19:58:17 2023
    On 2023-11-17 19:19, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so
    common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators.
    Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)


    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators


    Using an SPDT (Form C) relay makes sense for that. With the pole going
    to the motor, NC to ground, and NO to battery, the motor will get
    shorted out when the power is removed.

    You'd need something a bit more complicated with a servo, obviously.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

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    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 17:13:07 2023
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 01.58.35 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:
    On 2023-11-17 19:19, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so
    common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators. >>> Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)


    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators

    Using an SPDT (Form C) relay makes sense for that. With the pole going
    to the motor, NC to ground, and NO to battery, the motor will get
    shorted out when the power is removed.

    and they usually have an NC switch in parallel with a diode at each end
    once it reaches an end the switch opens stopping the motor from moving past the switch and the diode still lets it move away from the switch

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Lasse Langwadt Christensen on Sat Nov 18 07:24:40 2023
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 01.58.35 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:
    On 2023-11-17 19:19, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so >>> common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators. >>> Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)


    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators

    Using an SPDT (Form C) relay makes sense for that. With the pole going
    to the motor, NC to ground, and NO to battery, the motor will get
    shorted out when the power is removed.
    and they usually have an NC switch in parallel with a diode at each end
    once it reaches an end the switch opens stopping the motor from moving past the switch and the diode still lets it move away from the switch

    Why would they want to move 'away' from a limit position?

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 18 07:29:25 2023
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 16.24.45 UTC+1 skrev Fred Bloggs:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 01.58.35 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:
    On 2023-11-17 19:19, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so >>> common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators.
    Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)


    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators

    Using an SPDT (Form C) relay makes sense for that. With the pole going to the motor, NC to ground, and NO to battery, the motor will get shorted out when the power is removed.
    and they usually have an NC switch in parallel with a diode at each end once it reaches an end the switch opens stopping the motor from moving past
    the switch and the diode still lets it move away from the switch
    Why would they want to move 'away' from a limit position?

    so it is not one time use...

    you feed it one polarity to go one direction, the opposite polarity to go the other direction
    when you hit a switch it stops going any further in that direction, but the diode lets you
    move it in the opposite direction

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Lasse Langwadt Christensen on Sat Nov 18 16:07:27 2023
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 16.24.45 UTC+1 skrev Fred Bloggs:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 01.58.35 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:
    On 2023-11-17 19:19, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so
    common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators.
    Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)


    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators

    Using an SPDT (Form C) relay makes sense for that. With the pole going to the motor, NC to ground, and NO to battery, the motor will get shorted out when the power is removed.
    and they usually have an NC switch in parallel with a diode at each end once it reaches an end the switch opens stopping the motor from moving past
    the switch and the diode still lets it move away from the switch
    Why would they want to move 'away' from a limit position?
    so it is not one time use...

    you feed it one polarity to go one direction, the opposite polarity to go the other direction
    when you hit a switch it stops going any further in that direction, but the diode lets you
    move it in the opposite direction

    Right, it finally dawned on me that be 'away' you meant 'reverse'.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 18 16:31:41 2023
    søndag den 19. november 2023 kl. 01.07.32 UTC+1 skrev Fred Bloggs:
    On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 16.24.45 UTC+1 skrev Fred Bloggs:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-5, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    lørdag den 18. november 2023 kl. 01.58.35 UTC+1 skrev Phil Hobbs:
    On 2023-11-17 19:19, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Some manufacturers are saying the 12-24 VDC operating voltage is so
    common because it makes for more precise positioning of the actuators.
    Seems like a strange characteristic.

    I have a nanometer piezo stage that uses 0-3 kV. ;)


    Most people use these more industrial grade components:

    https://www.progressiveautomations.com/collections/linear-actuators

    Nutty circuit used to brake the actuator with too much loading. I suppose they know what they're doing but it makes no sense to me.

    https://www.firgelliauto.com/blogs/tutorials/preventing-backdrive-in-linear-actuators

    Using an SPDT (Form C) relay makes sense for that. With the pole going
    to the motor, NC to ground, and NO to battery, the motor will get shorted out when the power is removed.
    and they usually have an NC switch in parallel with a diode at each end
    once it reaches an end the switch opens stopping the motor from moving past
    the switch and the diode still lets it move away from the switch
    Why would they want to move 'away' from a limit position?
    so it is not one time use...

    you feed it one polarity to go one direction, the opposite polarity to go the other direction
    when you hit a switch it stops going any further in that direction, but the diode lets you
    move it in the opposite direction
    Right, it finally dawned on me that be 'away' you meant 'reverse'.

    'away' from the switch works at either end, is 'reverse' extend or retract?

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