• Answering longstanding questions about jets from black holes

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 15 05:09:46 2023
    Answering longstanding questions about jets from black holes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231114143652.htm
    The one thing everyone knows about black holes is that absolutely everything nearby gets sucked into them. Almost everything, it turns out. Astrophysicists have now determined conclusively that energy close to the event horizon of black hole M87* is
    pushing outward, not inward.

    Told you so

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Nov 14 21:54:43 2023
    On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 4:09:56 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Answering longstanding questions about jets from black holes https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231114143652.htm
    The one thing everyone knows about black holes is that absolutely everything nearby gets sucked into them. Almost everything, it turns out. Astrophysicists have now determined conclusively that energy close to the event horizon of black hole M87* is
    pushing outward, not inward.

    Told you so

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    A black hole is absolutely closed off from the rest of the universe, but it still has a gravitational field, and that field can rotate and influence nearby masses outside the black hole - frame dragging. The rotational energy embedded in a rotating black
    can thus escape.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_black_hole

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Nov 15 11:18:11 2023
    On 15/11/2023 05:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Answering longstanding questions about jets from black holes
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231114143652.htm
    The one thing everyone knows about black holes is that absolutely everything nearby gets sucked into them.

    That is the Disneyfied world view of things. but completely wrong and
    always has been. If the sun turned into a BH plantary orbits would be
    largely unaffected. The main difference would be that whereas the sun is slightly oblate due to its rotation the BH would be spinning so much
    faster and be to all intents an purposes a gravitational point source.

    Dr Who got it more nearly right with a prison set up inside the
    innermost stable orbit around a BH with a power source to keep it there. Working title "The Impossible Planet".

    https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/K37_Gem_5

    Almost everything, it turns out. Astrophysicists have now determined conclusively that energy close to the event horizon of black hole M87* is pushing outward, not inward.

    Told you so

    Actually they are misrepresenting current knowledge woefully and failing
    to acknowledge some very important and much earlier work on the subject.

    The mechanism that powers BH jets was first explained in the late 1970's
    by Blandford & Znajeck (1977). It also works in a similar but smaller
    way on stellar mass BH the likes of SS433 and most recently observed
    during star formation in molecular clouds. Intro level here

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blandford–Znajek_process

    Original paper:

    https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/179/3/433/962905

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_433

    star formation

    https://science.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/hubble-litho-hh24-jets.pdf

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    Martin Brown

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