This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:12:58 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer >>
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners >>
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
Laughable. Put up a few sticks and some wire in your back yard and
raise a lot of money.
The offshore version will be extra funny. Maybe put the sticks on
floating inner tubes.
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
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On 11/9/23 23:48, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:12:58 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer >>>
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners >>>
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
Laughable. Put up a few sticks and some wire in your back yard and
raise a lot of money.
The offshore version will be extra funny. Maybe put the sticks on
floating inner tubes.
A bunch of slats, driven by wind to ride around on a closed-circuit
track. A ridiculous contraption indeed. It'd be funny if it wasn't
so sad that the general public has no idea about what energy is, and
no notion of the scales involved.
Jeroen Belleman
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:12:58 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store. Laughable. Put up a few sticks and some wire in your back yard andraise a lot of money.
The offshore version will be extra funny. Maybe put the sticks on
floating inner tubes.
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
The idiot Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> persisting in being an Off-topic troll...
--
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.
Gut feel is you can't make something powerful out of flimsy parts. There should be some kind of general finding by now of the per component withstanding power as a function of power delivered by the generator.
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.Gut feel is you can't make something powerful out of flimsy parts.
On Saturday, 11 November 2023 at 00:00:23 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.
Gut feel is you can't make something powerful out of flimsy parts.
1. it distributes power handling over a large number of blades
2. I expect that high winds cause the blades to move away from vertical, reducing wind load.
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 5:48:55?PM UTC-5, john larkin wrote:and the state of Wyoming. US and international patents have been issued and more are in process.'
On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 09:12:58 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].Laughable. Put up a few sticks and some wire in your back yard and
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer >> >
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners >> >
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
raise a lot of money.
The offshore version will be extra funny. Maybe put the sticks on
floating inner tubes.
'Inspired by mathematics, optimization modeling, and kiteboarding, Mr. Lumley conceived of the Airloom one evening in a pub in Berlin after a wind energy conference. The Airloom has since been awarded numerous grants from the National Science Foundation
See Lumley under the 'Team' tab. He's obviously on a different plane.
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 11 November 2023 at 00:00:23 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.
Gut feel is you can't make something powerful out of flimsy parts.
1. it distributes power handling over a large number of bladesSo does an array of wind turbines.
2. I expect that high winds cause the blades to move away from vertical, reducing wind load.Not enough.
Wind turbine feather their blades, which is an active response.
I proposed parking the slats in a shelter elsewhere in this thread, which is a similalry active response
On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 07:14:06 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 11 November 2023 at 00:00:23 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.
Gut feel is you can't make something powerful out of flimsy parts.
1. it distributes power handling over a large number of blades
So does an array of wind turbines.
turbines handle much more power & windspeed per blade than this thing.
2. I expect that high winds cause the blades to move away from vertical, reducing wind load.
Not enough.
I would not assume that
Wind turbine feather their blades, which is an active response.
yup, which is less wind avoiding than letting vertical blades lift up to possibly 90 degrees max.
I proposed parking the slats in a shelter elsewhere in this thread, which is a similary active response.
We don't know the inventor's decisions. We can only propose options, yours and mine should both work.
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 5:14:25 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 07:14:06 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 11 November 2023 at 00:00:23 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
This looks like a kluge, but they seem to have convinced big money known for investing in innovation [Gates].
Less than 1/10 the cost of a turbine
Under 1/4 the cost to build a windfarm
1/3 the LCOE [levelized cost of electricity] compared to traditional wind energy
Can be built vertically or horizontally, either onshore or offshore
Easy to transport: a 2.5 MW Airloom fits inside a standard tractor trailer
Quickly manufactured: uses readily sourced materials and parts
Better for viewplanes: less mass, lower profile - preeliminates the whiners
https://airloomenergy.com/
They're slow to scale up, probably don't want to know what's in store.
A single track? Running the wings around a pair of track would make their positions a lot more stable and predictable.
I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I've hung about with them from time to time and some of their reactions are predictable. This looks like a scam.
Gut feel is you can't make something powerful out of flimsy parts.
1. it distributes power handling over a large number of blades
So does an array of wind turbines.
turbines handle much more power & windspeed per blade than this thing.
How do you know that? And does it matter?
2. I expect that high winds cause the blades to move away from vertical, reducing wind load.
Not enough.
I would not assume thatI would. As drawn, the trackway looked flimsy.
Wind turbine feather their blades, which is an active response.
yup, which is less wind avoiding than letting vertical blades lift up to possibly 90 degrees max.
Or letting them break off and get blown away.
I proposed parking the slats in a shelter elsewhere in this thread, which is a similary active response.
We don't know the inventor's decisions. We can only propose options, yours and mine should both work.My contention was that it is more likely to be a scam than an invention and shouldn't be expected to work.
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On Thursday, 16 November 2023 at 07:22:07 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 5:14:25 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 07:14:06 UTC, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 6:32:28 AM UTC+11, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 11 November 2023 at 00:00:23 UTC, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:59:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:13:03 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
We don't know the inventor's decisions. We can only propose options, yours and mine should both work.
My contention was that it is more likely to be a scam than an invention and shouldn't be expected to work.
It's fairly obvious it can work, the main question is the cost vs output.
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