• Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 05:16:24 2023
    Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231103141443.htm

    Summary:
    Physicists have started the countdown on developing a new generation of timepieces capable of shattering records by providing accuracy of up to one second in 300 billion years, or about 22 times the age of the universe.

    About
    scandium-45 and ultra-bright X-ray pulses

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Mon Nov 6 22:18:21 2023
    On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 4:16:34 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231103141443.htm

    Summary:
    Physicists have started the countdown on developing a new generation of timepieces capable of shattering records by providing accuracy of up to one second in 300 billion years, or about 22 times the age of the universe.

    About
    scandium-45 and ultra-bright X-ray pulses

    But how do you count the ticks of clock that that is ticking at X-ray frequencies?

    There's a somewhat more practical low jitter clock that depends on whispering gallery modes in a big chunk of synthetic sapphire in liquid helium at 6K but that seems to run at 10GHz, and I'm not sure that I know where to buy logic that could count
    synchronously at 10GHz.

    The stability isn't as good as an atomic clock, but at least you can count ticks, and each one equally spaced from the next, as opposed to have the right number of ticks in a give time interval.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 7 15:37:14 2023
    On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 05:16:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231103141443.htm

    Summary:
    Physicists have started the countdown on developing a new generation of timepieces capable of shattering records by providing accuracy of up to one second in 300 billion years, or about 22 times the age of the universe.

    About
    scandium-45 and ultra-bright X-ray pulses

    How does one phase-lock to a gamma ray absorption line?

    And even caesium clocks change frequency with altitude because of
    gravity and relativity effects... a few feet matter! Gravitational
    noise will trash a super-good clock. [1]

    I worked on a Mössbauer experiment once. Gamma absorption lines are so
    narrow that slow velocity changes - mm per second- affect absorption.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6ssbauer_effect

    [1] a better gravity detector than LIGO?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Tue Nov 7 19:36:30 2023
    On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 10:37:32 AM UTC+11, john larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 05:16:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid>
    wrote:
    Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231103141443.htm

    Summary:
    Physicists have started the countdown on developing a new generation of timepieces capable of shattering records by providing accuracy of up to one second in 300 billion years, or about 22 times the age of the universe.

    About
    scandium-45 and ultra-bright X-ray pulses
    How does one phase-lock to a gamma ray absorption line?

    And even caesium clocks change frequency with altitude because of
    gravity and relativity effects... a few feet matter! Gravitational
    noise will trash a super-good clock. [1]

    I worked on a Mössbauer experiment once. Gamma absorption lines are so narrow that slow velocity changes - mm per second- affect absorption.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6ssbauer_effect

    [1] a better gravity detector than LIGO?

    Obviously not, " Pound and Rebka in 1960 exploited the Mossbauer effect with only about h = 20 meters height difference, to demonstrate gravitational redshift which is is only (GM/(Rc2))(h/R)∼10^−15", This precedes LIGO by about 50 years.

    LIGO detects gravitational waves, not a gravity as such. If you could build a interferometer that worked with a coherent X-rays/gamma-ray source rather than a visible light laser it would beat the pants off LIGO, but that doesn't seem to be on offer.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jl@650pot.com on Wed Nov 8 06:04:59 2023
    On a sunny day (Tue, 07 Nov 2023 15:37:14 -0800) it happened john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <quflki1oa5h242obgrv0re412iql2rv6rg@4ax.com>:

    On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 05:16:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
    wrote:

    Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231103141443.htm

    Summary:
    Physicists have started the countdown on developing a new generation of timepieces capable of shattering records by
    providing accuracy of up to one second in 300 billion years, or about 22 times the age of the universe.

    About
    scandium-45 and ultra-bright X-ray pulses

    How does one phase-lock to a gamma ray absorption line?

    And even caesium clocks change frequency with altitude because of
    gravity and relativity effects... a few feet matter! Gravitational
    noise will trash a super-good clock. [1]

    I worked on a Mössbauer experiment once. Gamma absorption lines are so
    narrow that slow velocity changes - mm per second- affect absorption.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6ssbauer_effect

    [1] a better gravity detector than LIGO?

    Perhaps it could be
    Ligo looks for signals with really low amplitude...
    I still have an old alarm clock that you need to wind up every day...
    If gravity changes a lot it may float away :-)
    I do have a 10 MHz Rubidium reference.
    And a desktop clock and a Casio watch that automatically syncs to DCF77 radio time:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77
    there are other worldwide stations like that, you can select a place in the watch's menu.
    Gravity waves, of course you should be able to detect gravity changes caused by remote masses.
    Moon-tides an example, nothing mysterious about that.

    One second in 300 billion years, earth will not exist that long..

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Nov 7 23:25:11 2023
    On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 5:05:09 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 07 Nov 2023 15:37:14 -0800) it happened john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote in <quflki1oa5h242obg...@4ax.com>:
    On Tue, 07 Nov 2023 05:16:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> >wrote:

    Milestone moment toward development of nuclear clock
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231103141443.htm

    Summary:
    Physicists have started the countdown on developing a new generation of timepieces capable of shattering records by
    providing accuracy of up to one second in 300 billion years, or about 22 times the age of the universe.

    About
    scandium-45 and ultra-bright X-ray pulses

    How does one phase-lock to a gamma ray absorption line?

    And even caesium clocks change frequency with altitude because of
    gravity and relativity effects... a few feet matter! Gravitational
    noise will trash a super-good clock. [1]

    I worked on a Mössbauer experiment once. Gamma absorption lines are so >narrow that slow velocity changes - mm per second- affect absorption.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6ssbauer_effect

    [1] a better gravity detector than LIGO?

    Perhaps it could be
    Ligo looks for signals with really low amplitude...

    But periodic - ripples in space-time, not DC off-sets.

    I still have an old alarm clock that you need to wind up every day...
    If gravity changes a lot it may float away :-)

    It won't.'
    I do have a 10 MHz Rubidium reference.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubidium_standard\

    The standard frequency is 6834682610.904 Hz - it has to be divided down to let it discipline the 10MHz reference output.

    And a desktop clock and a Casio watch that automatically syncs to DCF77 radio time:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCF77
    there are other worldwide stations like that, you can select a place in the watch's menu.

    Gravity waves, of course you should be able to detect gravity changes caused by remote masses.
    Moon-tides an example, nothing mysterious about that.

    Those a very slow - and very long wavelength - low amplitude gravity waves. LIGO won't detect them.

    One second in 300 billion years, earth will not exist that long.

    Only if nobody bothers to move it into higher orbit when the sun goes red giant in about 5 billion years. If it gets moved down into a lower orbit after the sun has shrunk down into a white dwarf, it could have very long subsequent career.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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