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I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot fasterrunning Spice.But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursorbecomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy alreadyexists, I have to go through asecondary dialog to compare fileattributes.If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are asecondary operation!So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back tosimple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that,
onsdag den 11. oktober 2023 kl. 00.05.15 UTC+2 skrev john larkin:
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a
secondary operation!
select and hit delete ?
click name to highlight and type new name?
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a secondary operation!
john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:rsecondary dialog to compare fileattributes.If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are asecondary operation!So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back tosimple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that,
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot fasterrunning Spice.But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursorbecomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy alreadyexists, I have to go through a
I use Classic shell on 10 with out any issues. But I dont know
about 11, cs was out of dev, dunno if they are actively back in
development.
Cheers
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:55:08 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen <lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:
onsdag den 11. oktober 2023 kl. 00.05.15 UTC+2 skrev john larkin:
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a
secondary operation!
select and hit delete ?Grumble. I'll have to re-train all my instincts.
click name to highlight and type new name?
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a secondary operation!
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john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor
becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a
secondary operation!
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restores the familiar <right click> popup menu, for the current user.
The popup menu adjustment and additional alterations are available at:
<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/worst-windows-11-features-fix-them>
Danke,
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I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:11:10?PM UTC-5, a a wrote:
The idiot john larkin <j...@650pot.com> persisting in being an Off-topic troll...
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Who or what is this a a SOB? It appears that his only purpose is to waste bandwith and air, and annoy everyone. Could someone get his location and send Vito to, er, have a little talk with him?
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:05:15?PM UTC-7, john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor
becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a
secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to
simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
REALLY? Win SEVEN?? I think you need to upgrade your computers more than once a decade!
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A new PC is a traumatic life event.
REALLY? Win SEVEN?? I think you need to upgrade your computers more than once a decade!
They finally started breaking. Otherwise, my old Win7 machines worked
fine. I'm typing this on the last one, at home. After, whenever, I get
one Win11 machine properly set up, we'll clone three copies.
Win11 is really a horror.
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to
simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:04:57 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to >>simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
Got my mother's W7 to W11 'upgrade' to fairly resemble
previous GUI prefs using the shell and other powershell
manipulations, last October.
I thought that Edge had been expunged, only to find it
has self-reinstalled itself almost exactly 12 months later.
Previous uninstall work still exist and uninstall mthod finds
later version (117.0.2045.60) doesn't seem to want to
cooperate.
While present, it nobbles all non-MS browser activity.
Perhaps I should take out Chrome too - left it in as a
last resort in negotiating chrome-only web sites.
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In article <0rpeiid4qmutj96f8...@4ax.com>, jl@
997PotHill.com says...
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
REALLY? Win SEVEN?? I think you need to upgrade your computers more than once a decade!
They finally started breaking. Otherwise, my old Win7 machines worked
fine. I'm typing this on the last one, at home. After, whenever, I get
one Win11 machine properly set up, we'll clone three copies.
Win11 is really a horror.
For many users the only need to upgrade from the win XT is because
programs will not run on the older system. Main reason I first went to
win 10 was Turbo Tax needed it. Now just what real feature of TT would
be needed that it takes win 10 ? Same as for older software for many
users. Office 98 will do for most home users. Then win 10 'broke' some
of my older programs so I had to buy newer versions of them. So now to
do things I have to have old laptops and desk tops with win 98, xt and
win 10 on them. I just bought a used win 11 computer off ebay as an
older computer quit on me and I feel that in a year or two win 10 will
not run TT.
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no such thing as windows XT you must mean XP, and you must be joking
to think that they are a usable option, support ended almost 20 years ago
if connected to the internet you'll be hijacked in hours
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:24:40 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor
becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a
secondary operation!
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restores the familiar <right click> popup menu, for the current user.
The popup menu adjustment and additional alterations are available at:
<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/worst-windows-11-features-fix-them>
Danke,
The registry patch worked!
1e6 thanks.
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torsdag den 12. oktober 2023 kl. 16.37.44 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <0rpeiid4qmutj96f8...@4ax.com>, jl@
997PotHill.com says...
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
REALLY? Win SEVEN?? I think you need to upgrade your computers more than once a decade!
They finally started breaking. Otherwise, my old Win7 machines worked
fine. I'm typing this on the last one, at home. After, whenever, I get
one Win11 machine properly set up, we'll clone three copies.
Win11 is really a horror.
For many users the only need to upgrade from the win XT is because
programs will not run on the older system. Main reason I first went to
win 10 was Turbo Tax needed it. Now just what real feature of TT would
be needed that it takes win 10 ? Same as for older software for many
users. Office 98 will do for most home users. Then win 10 'broke' some
of my older programs so I had to buy newer versions of them. So now to
do things I have to have old laptops and desk tops with win 98, xt and
win 10 on them. I just bought a used win 11 computer off ebay as an
older computer quit on me and I feel that in a year or two win 10 will
not run TT.
no such thing as windows XT you must mean XP, and you must be joking
to think that they are a usable option, support ended almost 20 years ago
if connected to the internet you'll be hijacked in hours
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On 11/10/2023 22:13, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:24:40 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>> becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>> secondary operation!
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restores the familiar <right click> popup menu, for the current user.
The popup menu adjustment and additional alterations are available at:
<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/worst-windows-11-features-fix-them> >>>
Danke,
The registry patch worked!
1e6 thanks.
It is a bit sad that you have to attack the registry with a flint axe to
make Win11 more comfortable to use though. Some of their "improvements"
make things much harder to do and for no good reason.
My pet hate was the ribbon interface on Office 2007 it drove experienced >users nuts! Give me that annoying "clippy" thing back any day!
There is still plenty of big scientific kit (20 year lifetime) running
on XP era PCs some of them with bespoke hardware that doesn't get on
with modern faster CPUs so certain machines have higher than book value.
(as do certain memory upgrades used in particular kit)
Manufacturers almost never release drivers for such old equipment when
new OS's are released so the poor users are stuck in a time warp.
It annoys the hell out of corporate IT because the laboratory network containing a mix of modern kit and antiques has to be very carefully firewalled from the rest of the enterprise. Old and unsupported OS's are
very vulnerable if connected to the internet.
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For many users the only need to upgrade from the win XT is because
programs will not run on the older system.
Main reason I first went to
win 10 was Turbo Tax needed it. Now just what real feature of TT would
be needed that it takes win 10 ?
Same as for older software for many users. Office 98 will do for most home users.
Then win 10 'broke' some
of my older programs so I had to buy newer versions of them.
So now to
do things I have to have old laptops and desk tops with win 98, xt and
win 10 on them. I just bought a used win 11 computer off ebay as an
older computer quit on me and I feel that in a year or two win 10 will
not run TT.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 20:23:28 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/10/2023 22:13, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:24:40 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>>> becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>>> secondary operation!
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restores the familiar <right click> popup menu, for the current user.
The popup menu adjustment and additional alterations are available at: >>>>
<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/worst-windows-11-features-fix-them> >>>>
Danke,
The registry patch worked!
1e6 thanks.
It is a bit sad that you have to attack the registry with a flint axe to >>make Win11 more comfortable to use though. Some of their "improvements" >>make things much harder to do and for no good reason.
Clearly some of the old ui stuff is still there. They just make them
hard to enable.
My pet hate was the ribbon interface on Office 2007 it drove experienced >>users nuts! Give me that annoying "clippy" thing back any day!
I can't get W11 to associate Jpegs with Irfanview. Microsoft insists
that I use their ugly viewer.
I can drag/drop a jpeg onto the Irfanview icon, now that I actually
have an Irfanview icon.
But not from a pic on a phone.
All too weird.
I don't find it that bad actually and the support for performance core scheduling is much better than in Win7. I got a Win11 machine because it was blisteringly fast and I really needed the speed up.
I have a Win8.x (bad OS version think Picasso on a bad acid trip) portable for
testing on that OS (bought for that very purpose). And I managed to skip Win10
entirely.
Throughout my working life I have only ever upgraded when a new machine would be 3x faster at handling the workload than its predecessor. That used to be roughly every 3 years for decades.
Now it is more like once a decade if that! My normal office machine is just over a decade old hardware now and apart from replacing the spinning rust with
an SSD and adding more ram when prices fell has been more than adequate for all
but the most demanding tasks.
win 10 was Turbo Tax needed it. Now just what real feature of TT would
be needed that it takes win 10 ? Same as for older software for many
users. Office 98 will do for most home users. Then win 10 'broke' some
Office 97 was a fairly good vintage, the next decent one after that was 2002/2003. Then there was the abortion of 2007 which out of the box had so many
bugs it was unusable. Launched about the same time as Vista Office 2007 never took all the flak that it deserved and Vista did.
of my older programs so I had to buy newer versions of them. So now to
do things I have to have old laptops and desk tops with win 98, xt and
win 10 on them. I just bought a used win 11 computer off ebay as an
older computer quit on me and I feel that in a year or two win 10 will
not run TT.
The pro version of the OS will let you run a convincing enough virtual machine
for most of XP onwards to be satisfied with their lot. The only ting you can't
do is run legacy code in the x64 environment (for obvious reasons). Right click, Properties, Compatibility usually works.
The things that don't work tend to be doing naughty things in code.
There is still plenty of big scientific kit (20 year lifetime) running on XP era PCs some of them with bespoke hardware that doesn't get on with modern faster CPUs so certain machines have higher than book value.
(as do certain memory upgrades used in particular kit)
Manufacturers almost never release drivers for such old equipment when new OS's
are released so the poor users are stuck in a time warp.
It annoys the hell out of corporate IT because the laboratory network containing a mix of modern kit and antiques has to be very carefully firewalled
from the rest of the enterprise. Old and unsupported OS's are very vulnerable if connected to the internet.
Then win 10 'broke' some
of my older programs so I had to buy newer versions of them.
I have been perpetually assured that my old tools will continue to
work on some new MS OS. Nope. You always "lose" something.
So, there's a lot of effort required to reinstall (and relicense!)
all that software -- only to discover which no longer work -- and
this is offset by what OS-related gains, exactly?
The monetary cost of application updates is usually not an issue.
But, the time required to install, the risk that something won't
work "properly", AND the learning curve as they inevitably dick
with things that already worked (why?) is just not worth the
cost of installing them.
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 20:23:28 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 11/10/2023 22:13, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:24:40 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g...@crcomp.net> wrote: >>
john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>> becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>> secondary operation!
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restores the familiar <right click> popup menu, for the current user. >>> The popup menu adjustment and additional alterations are available at: >>>
<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/worst-windows-11-features-fix-them> >>>
Danke,
The registry patch worked!
1e6 thanks.
It is a bit sad that you have to attack the registry with a flint axe to >make Win11 more comfortable to use though. Some of their "improvements" >make things much harder to do and for no good reason.Clearly some of the old ui stuff is still there. They just make them
hard to enable.
My pet hate was the ribbon interface on Office 2007 it drove experienced >users nuts! Give me that annoying "clippy" thing back any day!I can't get W11 to associate Jpegs with Irfanview. Microsoft insists
that I use their ugly viewer.
I can drag/drop a jpeg onto the Irfanview icon, now that I actually
have an Irfanview icon.
But not from a pic on a phone.
All too weird.
I can't get W11 to associate Jpegs with Irfanview. Microsoft insists
that I use their ugly viewer.
I can drag/drop a jpeg onto the Irfanview icon, now that I actually
have an Irfanview icon.
But not from a pic on a phone.
torsdag den 12. oktober 2023 kl. 22.43.36 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
There is still plenty of big scientific kit (20 year lifetime) running
on XP era PCs some of them with bespoke hardware that doesn't get on
with modern faster CPUs so certain machines have higher than book value.
(as do certain memory upgrades used in particular kit)
Manufacturers almost never release drivers for such old equipment when
new OS's are released so the poor users are stuck in a time warp.
It annoys the hell out of corporate IT because the laboratory network
containing a mix of modern kit and antiques has to be very carefully
firewalled from the rest of the enterprise. Old and unsupported OS's are
very vulnerable if connected to the internet.
that is a special case, no ones doing that for a home/office computer and it would be pointless
You want settings apps>default apps
Change windows naff viewer to the one you prefer.
Likewise for any other file types you want.
I use VLC instead of Meeja viewer
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On 10/13/2023 1:57 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
You want settings apps>default apps
Change windows naff viewer to the one you prefer.
Likewise for any other file types you want.
I use VLC instead of Meeja viewer
"Open with" from the context menu.
"Choose default program"
"Browse..." to the application of choice (if not PREVIOUSLY
having been associated with the application)
Enable "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file"
This approach has the advantage of ADDING an association
to the Registry so that subsequent use of "Open with"
will enumerate all such prior associations as a reminder
of the apps that you have previously considered compatible
with that file "type" (poor choice of term given that
it's only the file EXTENSION that is being checked)
NOT enabling the "Always use..." option leaves the current DEFAULT >association in place but ADDS the new selection.
E.g., there are many different apps that I may want to use to process
a .JPG/JPEG, .TIFF, .DOC, .M, .PS, etc. This provides an easy way
to remember which are capable of that.
[This on W7; I don't run 11 but assume the open-with verb
has been preserved]
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:40:22 -0700, Don Y
<blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/13/2023 1:57 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
You want settings apps>default apps
Change windows naff viewer to the one you prefer.
Likewise for any other file types you want.
I use VLC instead of Meeja viewer
"Open with" from the context menu.
"Choose default program"
"Browse..." to the application of choice (if not PREVIOUSLY
having been associated with the application)
Enable "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file"
This approach has the advantage of ADDING an association
to the Registry so that subsequent use of "Open with"
will enumerate all such prior associations as a reminder
of the apps that you have previously considered compatible
with that file "type" (poor choice of term given that
it's only the file EXTENSION that is being checked)
NOT enabling the "Always use..." option leaves the current DEFAULT >association in place but ADDS the new selection.
E.g., there are many different apps that I may want to use to process
a .JPG/JPEG, .TIFF, .DOC, .M, .PS, etc. This provides an easy way
to remember which are capable of that.
[This on W7; I don't run 11 but assume the open-with verbI can't find a way in Win11, or in the latest Irfanview, to associate
has been preserved]
jpeg with an app. It always uses their ugly viewer.
The file association function in Irfanview says "use the system file associatons."
Maybe there is a registry edit.
fredag den 13. oktober 2023 kl. 18.48.15 UTC+2 skrev john larkin:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:40:22 -0700, Don Y
<blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/13/2023 1:57 AM, Martin Brown wrote:I can't find a way in Win11, or in the latest Irfanview, to associate
You want settings apps>default apps
Change windows naff viewer to the one you prefer.
Likewise for any other file types you want.
I use VLC instead of Meeja viewer
"Open with" from the context menu.
"Choose default program"
"Browse..." to the application of choice (if not PREVIOUSLY
having been associated with the application)
Enable "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file"
This approach has the advantage of ADDING an association
to the Registry so that subsequent use of "Open with"
will enumerate all such prior associations as a reminder
of the apps that you have previously considered compatible
with that file "type" (poor choice of term given that
it's only the file EXTENSION that is being checked)
NOT enabling the "Always use..." option leaves the current DEFAULT
association in place but ADDS the new selection.
E.g., there are many different apps that I may want to use to process
a .JPG/JPEG, .TIFF, .DOC, .M, .PS, etc. This provides an easy way
to remember which are capable of that.
[This on W7; I don't run 11 but assume the open-with verb
has been preserved]
jpeg with an app. It always uses their ugly viewer.
The file association function in Irfanview says "use the system file
associatons."
Maybe there is a registry edit.
right click a jpeg file, select "open with"- >"Choose another app"
pick an app and tick the box that says "Always use this app to open JPG files"
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 09:56:01 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen ><langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
fredag den 13. oktober 2023 kl. 18.48.15 UTC+2 skrev john larkin:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:40:22 -0700, Don Y
<blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 10/13/2023 1:57 AM, Martin Brown wrote:I can't find a way in Win11, or in the latest Irfanview, to associate
You want settings apps>default apps
Change windows naff viewer to the one you prefer.
Likewise for any other file types you want.
I use VLC instead of Meeja viewer
"Open with" from the context menu.
"Choose default program"
"Browse..." to the application of choice (if not PREVIOUSLY
having been associated with the application)
Enable "Always use the selected program to open this kind of file"
This approach has the advantage of ADDING an association
to the Registry so that subsequent use of "Open with"
will enumerate all such prior associations as a reminder
of the apps that you have previously considered compatible
with that file "type" (poor choice of term given that
it's only the file EXTENSION that is being checked)
NOT enabling the "Always use..." option leaves the current DEFAULT
association in place but ADDS the new selection.
E.g., there are many different apps that I may want to use to process
a .JPG/JPEG, .TIFF, .DOC, .M, .PS, etc. This provides an easy way
to remember which are capable of that.
[This on W7; I don't run 11 but assume the open-with verb
has been preserved]
jpeg with an app. It always uses their ugly viewer.
The file association function in Irfanview says "use the system file
associatons."
Maybe there is a registry edit.
right click a jpeg file, select "open with"- >"Choose another app"
That works.
pick an app and tick the box that says "Always use this app to open JPG files"
That doesn't.
Manufacturers almost never release drivers for such old equipment when
new OS's are released so the poor users are stuck in a time warp.
It annoys the hell out of corporate IT because the laboratory network containing a mix of modern kit and antiques has to be very carefully firewalled from the rest of the enterprise. Old and unsupported OS's are
very vulnerable if connected to the internet.
I can't get W11 to associate Jpegs with Irfanview. Microsoft insists
that I use their ugly viewer.
Didn't Irfanview offer you the option to make it the default viewer for various file types as it installed?
In article <ugb0ov$330j2$1...@dont-email.me>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk says...
I can't get W11 to associate Jpegs with Irfanview. Microsoft insists that I use their ugly viewer.
Didn't Irfanview offer you the option to make it the default viewer for various file types as it installed?
I do not know about that, just got a win 11 machine 2 days ago. It will
not let me set Google as the default broser. Every time I start Google
it ask me if I want to set it as the default.
Don't those idiots at Microsoft use their own OS? Masybe not!
I have had to replace many things like printers and scanners because the
next operating system or software did not support them.
Where I worked we had over 100 computers on a network divided over about
10 different area needs. Every few years they were all replaced at the
same general time over a week or so.
Real headache for the areas that needed certain programs that did not
port over and new but different software had to be installed.
If you've got thousands of seats, you're likely a BIG company.
If the vendors youwork with refuse to support your "legacy" tools,
find new vendors! Chances are, you will discover them all but eager
to maintain some legacy tools JUST to interface to your business!
In article <ugcj2i$3f3rh$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid says...
If you've got thousands of seats, you're likely a BIG company.
If the vendors youwork with refuse to support your "legacy" tools,
find new vendors! Chances are, you will discover them all but eager
to maintain some legacy tools JUST to interface to your business!
Hard to switch venders when they are the only one making the equipment.
On 10/13/2023 5:05 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <ugcj2i$3f3rh$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...
If you've got thousands of seats, you're likely a BIG company.
If the vendors youwork with refuse to support your "legacy" tools,
find new vendors! Chances are, you will discover them all but eager
to maintain some legacy tools JUST to interface to your business!
Hard to switch venders when they are the only one making the equipment.
Very few people, in an organization, need to interface to outside
vendors who can "call their own shots". Why force the entire
enterprise to upgrade when you can limit that to a few folks in purchasing/accounting?
OTOH, there are undoubtedly many "little vendors" who rely
heavily on YOUR business. Coerce them into supporting YOUR
legacy tools under implied threat that you'll find someone
else who is more than willing to make that commitment for your
business!
In article <vc0hii1s47kre0ogubj2goieh6dlvq0869@4ax.com>, jl@650pot.com >says...
Don't those idiots at Microsoft use their own OS? Masybe not!
They use Linux or something like that instead of Windows.
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In article <ug9lpg$2ms8k$1@dont-email.me>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk
says...
Manufacturers almost never release drivers for such old equipment when
new OS's are released so the poor users are stuck in a time warp.
It annoys the hell out of corporate IT because the laboratory network
containing a mix of modern kit and antiques has to be very carefully
firewalled from the rest of the enterprise. Old and unsupported OS's are
very vulnerable if connected to the internet.
I have had to replace many things like printers and scanners because the
next operating system or software did not support them.
Where I worked we had over 100 computers on a network divided over about
10 different area needs. Every few years they were all replaced at the
same general time over a week or so.
Real headache for the areas that needed certain programs that did not
port over and new but different software had to be installed.
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:43:39 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:04:57 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster >>>running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already >>>exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file >>>attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to >>>simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
Got my mother's W7 to W11 'upgrade' to fairly resemble
previous GUI prefs using the shell and other powershell
manipulations, last October.
I'd be interested in what all you did. My new W11 machine is getting
to be mostly usable, after a lot of work.
After twelve months of neglect, there seems to be an inordinant
neglect of the OS in monitoring simple keystrokes or mouse
clicks - with an annoying circular 'wait' icon marking the
delays, that wasn't there previously.
Not being able to react to user keystrokes immediately is
a major fault in any GUI - it takes so little machine code
discipline to enforce.
After twelve months of neglect, there seems to be an inordinant
neglect of the OS in monitoring simple keystrokes or mouse
clicks - with an annoying circular 'wait' icon marking the
delays, that wasn't there previously.
Not being able to react to user keystrokes immediately is
a major fault in any GUI - it takes so little machine code
discipline to enforce.
On 14/10/2023 23:09, legg wrote:
After twelve months of neglect, there seems to be an inordinantIt is a side effect of every damn programmer thinking that their task is *the* most important one on the system. Upwards priority creep leaves
neglect of the OS in monitoring simple keystrokes or mouse
clicks - with an annoying circular 'wait' icon marking the
delays, that wasn't there previously.
little room to handle mere user keyboard and mouse input.
I agree that at times Win11 is less responsive than if should be.
FWIW I almost never see the wait icon apart from when it is updating OS.
Not being able to react to user keystrokes immediately isThe problem is that it does require discipline. :(
a major fault in any GUI - it takes so little machine code
discipline to enforce.
My pet hate is the damned "progress bar" for updates. Yesterday it did a small one - a mere 0.5GB and it took ages. The progress bar went from 0
to 95% in just 3s and then it spent 2 minutes between each successive 1% step. That is a ridiculous waste of my time. If had known it was going
to take ten minutes at the outset I could go off for a coffee.
Heaven knows how long it would have taken on a slower machine with
spinning rust.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know
approximately how long each component install will take +/-10% from the moment that the installer code begins to run on the system.
The idiot Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> persisting in being an Off-topic troll...
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I have had to replace many things like printers and scanners because the
next operating system or software did not support them.
For scanners and the like there were third party fixes by users who wanted to use their old printers on newer OS's. It has become progressively harder to do
this with more recent somewhat more secure ones. This requires a certain amount
of reverse engineering and hacking of the new official drivers to get them to work with OS's. Sometimes it was as simple as disabling the test to see if OS version is >N.nn !
On 14/10/2023 23:09, legg wrote:
After twelve months of neglect, there seems to be an inordinant
neglect of the OS in monitoring simple keystrokes or mouse
clicks - with an annoying circular 'wait' icon marking the
delays, that wasn't there previously.
It is a side effect of every damn programmer thinking that their task is *the*
most important one on the system. Upwards priority creep leaves little room to
handle mere user keyboard and mouse input.
I agree that at times Win11 is less responsive than if should be.
FWIW I almost never see the wait icon apart from when it is updating OS.
Not being able to react to user keystrokes immediately is
a major fault in any GUI - it takes so little machine code
discipline to enforce.
The problem is that it does require discipline. :(
My pet hate is the damned "progress bar" for updates. Yesterday it did a small
one - a mere 0.5GB and it took ages. The progress bar went from 0 to 95% in just 3s and then it spent 2 minutes between each successive 1% step. That is a
ridiculous waste of my time. If had known it was going to take ten minutes at the outset I could go off for a coffee.
Heaven knows how long it would have taken on a slower machine with spinning rust.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know approximately how long each component install will take +/-10% from the moment that the installer
code begins to run on the system.
On 10/15/2023 4:00 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2023 23:09, legg wrote:is *the*
After twelve months of neglect, there seems to be an inordinant
neglect of the OS in monitoring simple keystrokes or mouse
clicks - with an annoying circular 'wait' icon marking the
delays, that wasn't there previously.
It is a side effect of every damn programmer thinking that their task
most important one on the system. Upwards priority creep leaves littleroom to
handle mere user keyboard and mouse input.
Do Windows processes even HAVE direct control over their current priority? >All scheduling decisions in my RTOS are driven by deadline specifications
and value functions. So, to boost your priority, you have to declare a >*hard* deadline -- and "soon".
This imposes a self-regulating mechanism: if the OS decides it CAN'T
meet your (hard!) deadline, it simply kills off your process (invokes
your deadline handler) -- why bother working on something that can't
be met?
So, a wise developer specifies realistic (and soft) deadlines to
ensure his code gets a chance to run!
I agree that at times Win11 is less responsive than if should be.
FWIW I almost never see the wait icon apart from when it is updating OS.
Not being able to react to user keystrokes immediately is
a major fault in any GUI - it takes so little machine code
discipline to enforce.
The problem is that it does require discipline. :(
There are actions that inherently can't provide a (valid) "updated context" to >the user for some time after the most recent user action. Without such a >valid context, the user's "future" actions are ambiguous. E.g., trying to open
a file that APPEARS to be in one place yet is actually in the process of >being moved or deleted -- which file will APPEAR in that spot in the >directory listing when the enqueued action is eventually processed?
My pet hate is the damned "progress bar" for updates. Yesterday it dida small
one - a mere 0.5GB and it took ages. The progress bar went from 0 to 95% in >> just 3s and then it spent 2 minutes between each successive 1% step.That is a
ridiculous waste of my time. If had known it was going to take ten minutes at
the outset I could go off for a coffee.
I researched this some time ago, for exactly that reason. There's no closed >form solution to the problem -- unless you can control the other activities >in the machine at the same time (because you don't know what the process may >end up waiting on).
E.g., I have an app that I use, heavily, to compare portions of local
and remote file systems. It, naively, assumes that the bandwidth of
each is approximately equivalent. But, there may be inherent differences
(in some cases, accessing a remote share at wire speed can be quicker
than a local store on a slow disk -- or, one behind a slow i/f).
And, if something else is competing for bandwidth to one of those
stores (local or remote), the estimated time remaining (H:MM:SS!)
can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
Worst are progress indications that are just "activity indicators".
E.g., Sun starts a separate process to reassure you that things are still >running -- but, there is no interconnect between the indicator
process and the worker process other than an explicit signal from the
worker to th4e indicator WHEN IT IS COMPLETE. (so, you can kill off
the worker process and the indicator will gleefully continue "please
wait")
Heaven knows how long it would have taken on a slower machine withspinning rust.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know approximately how
long each component install will take +/-10% from the moment that the >installer
code begins to run on the system.
Only if you know (or can control) what else is happening in the machine.
It is particularly difficult when you have to predict performance
of interelated processes that can execute on different hosts from
one invocation to the next. (how heavily loaded is the update
server, NOW? How fat is the pipe you are using to access it?
are there other processes competing for resources on YOUR host?
on your network segment? etc.)
And, even if you know "how far we've come", that just gives
you a means of saying "from THIS point, we are X% done" -- but,
no way of predicting when you will GET to that point.
The solution is to come up with processes/policies that don't
interfere with the user's other activities. MS is notorious
for thinking they "own" the machine instead of acting as
a friendlier playmate.
The solution is to come up with processes/policies that don't
interfere with the user's other activities. MS is notorious
for thinking they "own" the machine instead of acting as
a friendlier playmate.
It boils to the truth that user interface is a real time system.
Programmers that are actually capable of making real time systems
work, are never assigned to such a low level job.
On 10/15/2023 4:00 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 14/10/2023 23:09, legg wrote:
After twelve months of neglect, there seems to be an inordinant
neglect of the OS in monitoring simple keystrokes or mouse
clicks - with an annoying circular 'wait' icon marking the
delays, that wasn't there previously.
It is a side effect of every damn programmer thinking that their task is *the*
most important one on the system. Upwards priority creep leaves little room to
handle mere user keyboard and mouse input.
Do Windows processes even HAVE direct control over their current priority? >All scheduling decisions in my RTOS are driven by deadline specifications
and value functions. So, to boost your priority, you have to declare a >*hard* deadline -- and "soon".
This imposes a self-regulating mechanism: if the OS decides it CAN'T
meet your (hard!) deadline, it simply kills off your process (invokes
your deadline handler) -- why bother working on something that can't
be met?
So, a wise developer specifies realistic (and soft) deadlines to
ensure his code gets a chance to run!
I agree that at times Win11 is less responsive than if should be.
FWIW I almost never see the wait icon apart from when it is updating OS.
Not being able to react to user keystrokes immediately is
a major fault in any GUI - it takes so little machine code
discipline to enforce.
The problem is that it does require discipline. :(
There are actions that inherently can't provide a (valid) "updated context" to >the user for some time after the most recent user action. Without such a >valid context, the user's "future" actions are ambiguous. E.g., trying to open
a file that APPEARS to be in one place yet is actually in the process of >being moved or deleted -- which file will APPEAR in that spot in the >directory listing when the enqueued action is eventually processed?
My pet hate is the damned "progress bar" for updates. Yesterday it did a small
one - a mere 0.5GB and it took ages. The progress bar went from 0 to 95% in >> just 3s and then it spent 2 minutes between each successive 1% step. That is a
ridiculous waste of my time. If had known it was going to take ten minutes at
the outset I could go off for a coffee.
I researched this some time ago, for exactly that reason. There's no closed >form solution to the problem -- unless you can control the other activities >in the machine at the same time (because you don't know what the process may >end up waiting on).
E.g., I have an app that I use, heavily, to compare portions of local
and remote file systems. It, naively, assumes that the bandwidth of
each is approximately equivalent. But, there may be inherent differences
(in some cases, accessing a remote share at wire speed can be quicker
than a local store on a slow disk -- or, one behind a slow i/f).
And, if something else is competing for bandwidth to one of those
stores (local or remote), the estimated time remaining (H:MM:SS!)
can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
Worst are progress indications that are just "activity indicators".
E.g., Sun starts a separate process to reassure you that things are still >running -- but, there is no interconnect between the indicator
process and the worker process other than an explicit signal from the
worker to th4e indicator WHEN IT IS COMPLETE. (so, you can kill off
the worker process and the indicator will gleefully continue "please
wait")
Heaven knows how long it would have taken on a slower machine with spinning rust.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know approximately how
long each component install will take +/-10% from the moment that the installer
code begins to run on the system.
Only if you know (or can control) what else is happening in the machine.
It is particularly difficult when you have to predict performance
of interelated processes that can execute on different hosts from
one invocation to the next. (how heavily loaded is the update
server, NOW? How fat is the pipe you are using to access it?
are there other processes competing for resources on YOUR host?
on your network segment? etc.)
And, even if you know "how far we've come", that just gives
you a means of saying "from THIS point, we are X% done" -- but,
no way of predicting when you will GET to that point.
The solution is to come up with processes/policies that don't
interfere with the user's other activities. MS is notorious
for thinking they "own" the machine instead of acting as
a friendlier playmate.
The solution is to come up with processes/policies that don't
interfere with the user's other activities. MS is notorious
for thinking they "own" the machine instead of acting as
a friendlier playmate.
Wasn't having multiplr processors supposed to provide some
kind of order in process queue issues?
TaskInfo - my goto process monitor - is confused by W11 reporting
on CPU activity. Running four separate crunching tasks for World
Community Grid (BOINC)at 20-25% CPU occupancy each nets a 6$
CPU summarey occupancy on a quad processor. This doesn't add
up no matter what justifications are put forward.
Same program and quad processor on W7 could at least add.
No trouble recognizing keystrokes until an MS Office or
other MS programmes are attempted - then they and anything
else running is at the mercy of some nincompoop in wherever.
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On 10/15/2023 4:00 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
My pet hate is the damned "progress bar" for updates. Yesterday it did
a small one - a mere 0.5GB and it took ages. The progress bar went
from 0 to 95% in just 3s and then it spent 2 minutes between each
successive 1% step. That is a ridiculous waste of my time. If had
known it was going to take ten minutes at the outset I could go off
for a coffee.
I researched this some time ago, for exactly that reason. There's no
closed
form solution to the problem -- unless you can control the other activities in the machine at the same time (because you don't know what the process
may
end up waiting on).
E.g., I have an app that I use, heavily, to compare portions of local
and remote file systems. It, naively, assumes that the bandwidth of
each is approximately equivalent. But, there may be inherent differences (in some cases, accessing a remote share at wire speed can be quicker
than a local store on a slow disk -- or, one behind a slow i/f).
And, if something else is competing for bandwidth to one of those
stores (local or remote), the estimated time remaining (H:MM:SS!)
can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
Heaven knows how long it would have taken on a slower machine with
spinning rust.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know
approximately how long each component install will take +/-10% from
the moment that the installer code begins to run on the system.
Only if you know (or can control) what else is happening in the machine.
The solution is to come up with processes/policies that don't
interfere with the user's other activities. MS is notorious
for thinking they "own" the machine instead of acting as
a friendlier playmate.
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can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
If there is resource competition then time to execute code can be very
tricky particularly if it messes up assumptions about cache. It is particularly bad for code with big data that only just fits in main memory.
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In article <ugjckn$1e0a2$1...@dont-email.me>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk says...
can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
If there is resource competition then time to execute code can be very tricky particularly if it messes up assumptions about cache. It is particularly bad for code with big data that only just fits in main memory.
I bought a cheep wireless keyboard and mouse for a win 11 computer I
just bought. Is it win 11 that the mouse is jerkey moving around on the screen and the keyboard sometime takes a few seconds to respond ? Or is
it the cheep keyboard and mouse ?
On 15/10/2023 19:19, Don Y wrote:
On 10/15/2023 4:00 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
My pet hate is the damned "progress bar" for updates. Yesterday it did a >>> small one - a mere 0.5GB and it took ages. The progress bar went from 0 to >>> 95% in just 3s and then it spent 2 minutes between each successive 1% step. >>> That is a ridiculous waste of my time. If had known it was going to take ten
minutes at the outset I could go off for a coffee.
I researched this some time ago, for exactly that reason. There's no closed
form solution to the problem -- unless you can control the other activities >> in the machine at the same time (because you don't know what the process may >> end up waiting on).
But the big annoying Win11 OS updates are applied after a cold boot so there is
nothing but their &*@$&%£~* updater running and it still gives utterly meaningless answers for % complete.
E.g., I have an app that I use, heavily, to compare portions of local
and remote file systems. It, naively, assumes that the bandwidth of
each is approximately equivalent. But, there may be inherent differences >> (in some cases, accessing a remote share at wire speed can be quicker
than a local store on a slow disk -- or, one behind a slow i/f).
And, if something else is competing for bandwidth to one of those
stores (local or remote), the estimated time remaining (H:MM:SS!)
can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
If there is resource competition then time to execute code can be very tricky particularly if it messes up assumptions about cache. It is particularly bad for code with big data that only just fits in main memory.
Heaven knows how long it would have taken on a slower machine with spinning >>> rust.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know approximately >>> how long each component install will take +/-10% from the moment that the >>> installer code begins to run on the system.
Only if you know (or can control) what else is happening in the machine.
But at boot time that is a given for the OS updater.
The solution is to come up with processes/policies that don't
interfere with the user's other activities. MS is notorious
for thinking they "own" the machine instead of acting as
a friendlier playmate.
I think it is a throwback to the sysmodal priority of OS/2.
The other pet hate I have is when there is an email server glitch on some email
clients the OAuth2 password challenge popup window appears *behind* all other open windows where you can't even see it!
No more emails will flow until you find the damn window and respond to it. This
can be when you next reboot.
I bought a cheep wireless keyboard and mouse for a win 11 computer I
just bought. Is it win 11 that the mouse is jerkey moving around on the screen and the keyboard sometime takes a few seconds to respond ? Or is
it the cheep keyboard and mouse ?
In article <ugjckn$1e0a2$1...@dont-email.me>, '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk says...
can change wildly -- whereas normally it is incredibly linear.
If there is resource competition then time to execute code can be very tricky particularly if it messes up assumptions about cache. It is particularly bad for code with big data that only just fits in main memory.
I bought a cheep wireless keyboard and mouse for a win 11 computer I
just bought. Is it win 11 that the mouse is jerkey moving around on the screen and the keyboard sometime takes a few seconds to respond ? Or is
it the cheep keyboard and mouse ?
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:24:40 -0000 (UTC), "Don" <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
john larkin wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor
becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a
secondary operation!
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restores the familiar <right click> popup menu, for the current user.
The popup menu adjustment and additional alterations are available at:
<https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/worst-windows-11-features-fix-them>
Danke,
The registry patch worked!
1e6 thanks.
WTF can't they get something so basic right? They must know approximately >>>> how long each component install will take +/-10% from the moment that the >>>> installer code begins to run on the system.
Only if you know (or can control) what else is happening in the machine.
But at boot time that is a given for the OS updater.
Still dependent on the hardware being updated. Look at how long
it takes to boot into "safe mode"; I *think* one difference is
that modules are discretely loaded.
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Does it exist with a *wired* keyboard/mouse?
I have a variety of wireless (logitech and other) pointing
devices, motion controllers and keyboards that all are
well-behaved (assuming their batteries are charged and there
is nothing else competing for RF)
In article <ugka14$2f6rv$2@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid says...
Does it exist with a *wired* keyboard/mouse?
I have a variety of wireless (logitech and other) pointing
devices, motion controllers and keyboards that all are
well-behaved (assuming their batteries are charged and there
is nothing else competing for RF)
Have not tried it with a wired mouse. My win 10 cmputers work fine with other mice. I thought I was getting a Logitech but looking at it see
it is a similar looking off brand.
Going to try a real Logitech when I get to the store.
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:12:15 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com><snip>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:43:39 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:04:57 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster >>>>running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>>becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already >>>>exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file >>>>attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>>secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to >>>>simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
Got my mother's W7 to W11 'upgrade' to fairly resemble
previous GUI prefs using the shell and other powershell
manipulations, last October.
I'd be interested in what all you did. My new W11 machine is getting
to be mostly usable, after a lot of work.
No list, just had to chip away at it, one 'feature' at a time.
Powershell was first used, I think, to get rid of Cortana.
Was required later for Edge and other bumph.
Then start menu and desktop could be rebuilt, without the
built-in flash.
On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 18:09:47 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:12:15 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com><snip>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:43:39 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:04:57 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: >>>>
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster
running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>>> becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already
exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file
attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>>> secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to >>>>> simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
Got my mother's W7 to W11 'upgrade' to fairly resemble
previous GUI prefs using the shell and other powershell
manipulations, last October.
I'd be interested in what all you did. My new W11 machine is getting
to be mostly usable, after a lot of work.
No list, just had to chip away at it, one 'feature' at a time.
Powershell was first used, I think, to get rid of Cortana.
Was required later for Edge and other bumph.
Then start menu and desktop could be rebuilt, without the
built-in flash.
Edge reinstalled itself after six days with a later version.
Trying to terminate active processes is just an exercise
in wack-a-mole.
Attempts to remove Edge 'Appx' features using powershell
(three were listed by getAppx ) just return reports of
incorrect command syntax.
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 18:09:47 -0400, legg <le...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:12:15 -0700, John Larkin <j...@997PotHill.com> >wrote:
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:43:39 -0400, legg <le...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:04:57 -0700, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote: >>>
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster >>>>running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>>becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already >>>>exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file >>>>attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>>secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to >>>>simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11 >>>>stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
Got my mother's W7 to W11 'upgrade' to fairly resemble
previous GUI prefs using the shell and other powershell
manipulations, last October.
I'd be interested in what all you did. My new W11 machine is getting
to be mostly usable, after a lot of work.
No list, just had to chip away at it, one 'feature' at a time.
Powershell was first used, I think, to get rid of Cortana.
Was required later for Edge and other bumph.
Then start menu and desktop could be rebuilt, without the<snip>
built-in flash.
Edge reinstalled itself after six days with a later version.
Trying to terminate active processes is just an exercise
in wack-a-mole.
Attempts to remove Edge 'Appx' features using powershell
(three were listed by getAppx ) just return reports of
incorrect command syntax.
RL
There are plenty of utils to "debloat" windows. Try this:- https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil
The fact that someone would NEED to develop such a tool
speaks volumes about the OS!
[It's also amusing how "OS" has morphed into referring to
EVERYTHING on the machine (before "user-installed apps").
I guess "games" are considered "services"? <rolls eyes>]
In article <ugs0qp$havb$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...
The fact that someone would NEED to develop such a tool
speaks volumes about the OS!
[It's also amusing how "OS" has morphed into referring to
EVERYTHING on the machine (before "user-installed apps").
I guess "games" are considered "services"? <rolls eyes>]
There has been a 'need' for utility tools by others as far back as the
old Radio Shack computers ( TRS 80 ) and the first computers using
Microsoft. Seems that in over 45 years that has not changed.
"Utilities" aren't part of the OS. How is Solitaire a tool in any
sense of the word? How essential is Sound Recorder to the
use and operation of the system? Or Paint? Why isn't MSOffice
part of the OS?
In article <ugs7c3$iu76$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...
"Utilities" aren't part of the OS. How is Solitaire a tool in any
sense of the word? How essential is Sound Recorder to the
use and operation of the system? Or Paint? Why isn't MSOffice
part of the OS?
Paint or solitary is not, but a copy command should be and some other
things that are used only to work with the disk.
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 18:54:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery
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In article <vc0hii1s47kre0ogu...@4ax.com>, j...@650pot.com
says...
Don't those idiots at Microsoft use their own OS? Masybe not!
They use Linux or something like that instead of Windows.
Probably. NT was developed using VMS.
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:43:39 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 15:04:57 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
I just "upgraded" from Windows 7 to 11. The new PC is a lot faster >>>running Spice.
But the File Explorer is a horror. When I drag/drop a file, the cursor >>>becomes a giant ugly icon. When I copy a file where a copy already >>>exists, I have to go through a secondary dialog to compare file >>>attributes.
If I right-click on a file, simple things like delete and rename are a >>>secondary operation!
So, does anyone use a Classic Shell type add-on to get things back to >>>simple? Our IT consultant doesn't want me to do that, but the W11
stuff is a horror.
A new PC is a traumatic life event.
Got my mother's W7 to W11 'upgrade' to fairly resemble
previous GUI prefs using the shell and other powershell
manipulations, last October.
I'd be interested in what all you did. My new W11 machine is getting
to be mostly usable, after a lot of work.
I thought that Edge had been expunged, only to find it
has self-reinstalled itself almost exactly 12 months later.
Previous uninstall work still exist and uninstall mthod finds
later version (117.0.2045.60) doesn't seem to want to
cooperate.
It is tempting to turn off updates. I hate Microsoft.
While present, it nobbles all non-MS browser activity.
Perhaps I should take out Chrome too - left it in as a
last resort in negotiating chrome-only web sites.
I'm running Firefox and it works. I have enough RAM on my new machines
to handle the 30ish processes that it runs.
Irfanview works, but I can't associate it to jpeg files. Windows has
some dreadful jpeg viewer that it won't give up.
I installed Foxit as a rational pdf viewer.
Edrawings, useful bloatware, works fine.
PADS works!
LT Spice works fine. It got a little buggy on the Win7 boxes.
My homebrew compiled PowerBasic engineering apps work, once I found
the proper console emulation choice. Out of the box, they were really
weird.
Image files on cameras are somehow locked to not allow any
unauthorized viewers to open them. Did I mention that I hate
Microsoft?
lørdag den 14. oktober 2023 kl. 06.27.22 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 18:54:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
In article <vc0hii1s47kre0ogu...@4ax.com>, j...@650pot.comProbably. NT was developed using VMS.
says...
Don't those idiots at Microsoft use their own OS? Masybe not!
They use Linux or something like that instead of Windows.
nope, on OS/2
https://youtu.be/9K3eMzF6x28?si=KOLYus0X3D7M7nWQ&t=499
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lørdag den 14. oktober 2023 kl. 06.27.22 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 18:54:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
In article <vc0hii1s47kre0ogu...@4ax.com>, j...@650pot.comProbably. NT was developed using VMS.
says...
Don't those idiots at Microsoft use their own OS? Masybe not!
They use Linux or something like that instead of Windows.
nope, on OS/2
https://youtu.be/9K3eMzF6x28?si=KOLYus0X3D7M7nWQ&t=499Zachary, the guy who designned VMS, was hired by Microsoft to design
NT. He wrote a clean, pure kernal which the microsoft idiots wrecked.
His book is "Showstopper." I recall that he used VMS and at some point started dogfooding, namely using NT to develop NT.
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legg <le...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
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Subject: Re: Win11 repair
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 16:49:08 -0400
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