• Microbes dominate Earth

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 08:39:01 2023
    '“We’re an aberration,” says Maureen O’Malley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes — protists among them — dominate
    the planet. Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earth’s protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold
    40 times the biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbe’s world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of life’s history, O’Malley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came
    from cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants’ ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know
    as chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sat Oct 7 08:53:08 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:39:07 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    '“We’re an aberration,” says Maureen O’Malley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes — protists among them — dominate
    the planet. Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earth’s protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold
    40 times the biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbe’s world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of life’s history, O’Malley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came
    from cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants’ ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know
    as chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    There are lots of them around, but they don't have a lot of volition. Dominion does involve getting other organisms to do what you want.

    dominion
    /dəˈmɪnɪən/
    noun
    noun: dominion; plural noun: dominions

    1.
    sovereignty or control.
    "man's attempt to establish dominion over nature"


    Single-celled organisms are numerous, and might count as the dominant species by number or mass, and exploit more resources than multicellular organism, but dominating the planet is probably not a good description of their role.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sat Oct 7 16:24:45 2023
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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to bill.sloman@ieee.org on Sat Oct 7 19:00:20 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:39:07?AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    'Were an aberration, says Maureen OMalley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes protists among them dominate the planet.
    Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earths protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold 40 times the
    biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbes world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of lifes history, OMalley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came from
    cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know as
    chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    There are lots of them around, but they don't have a lot of volition. Dominion does involve getting other organisms to do what you want.

    Yes, and when we look around us today we can see that agenda being
    actively pursued by those seeking to use the pretext of some 'climate emergency' to get the plebs to make huge and very costly sacrifices
    which will benefit them not one iota.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Sat Oct 7 11:35:35 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    'Were an aberration, says Maureen OMalley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes protists among them dominate the planet.
    Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earths protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold 40 times the
    biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbes world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of lifes history, OMalley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came from
    cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know as
    chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    Cool. Not so long ago biologists said that biological rotary motors
    were impossible. They are common, and I think one spins at 100,000
    RPM.

    The helicase gadget that splits our DNA strand during cell
    reproduction spins at about 10,000 RPM.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 15:02:18 2023
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:35:35 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    'Were an aberration, says Maureen OMalley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes protists among them dominate the planet.
    Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earths protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold 40 times the
    biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbes world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of lifes history, OMalley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came from
    cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know as
    chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    Cool. Not so long ago biologists said that biological rotary motors
    were impossible. They are common, and I think one spins at 100,000
    RPM.

    Flagella, I think.


    The helicase gadget that splits our DNA strand during cell
    reproduction spins at about 10,000 RPM.

    Or 30,000 rpm.

    My old rule on biological importance is that if you can see the
    critter by eye alone, it is not important.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 12:13:35 2023
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 15:02:18 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:35:35 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    'Were an aberration, says Maureen OMalley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes protists among them dominate the planet.
    Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earths protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold 40 times the
    biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbes world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of lifes history, OMalley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came from
    cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know as
    chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    Cool. Not so long ago biologists said that biological rotary motors
    were impossible. They are common, and I think one spins at 100,000
    RPM.

    Flagella, I think.


    The helicase gadget that splits our DNA strand during cell
    reproduction spins at about 10,000 RPM.

    Or 30,000 rpm.

    My old rule on biological importance is that if you can see the
    critter by eye alone, it is not important.

    Joe Gwinn

    Yeast is important. bread, beer, wine.

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 22:43:37 2023
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 15:02:18 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:35:35 -0700, John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    'Were an aberration, says Maureen OMalley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes protists among them dominate the planet.
    Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earths protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together they hold 40 times the
    biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbes world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of lifes history, OMalley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came from
    cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know as
    chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    Cool. Not so long ago biologists said that biological rotary motors
    were impossible. They are common, and I think one spins at 100,000
    RPM.

    Flagella, I think.


    The helicase gadget that splits our DNA strand during cell
    reproduction spins at about 10,000 RPM.

    Or 30,000 rpm.

    My old rule on biological importance is that if you can see the
    critter by eye alone, it is not important.

    Joe Gwinn

    Lyme disease much?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Oct 7 20:04:35 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:43:46 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 15:02:18 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net>
    wrote:
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:35:35 -0700, John Larkin <j...@997arbor.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    '“We’re an aberration,” says Maureen O’Malley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes — protists among them —
    dominate the planet. Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earth’s protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together
    they hold 40 times the biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbe’s world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of life’s history, O’Malley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere
    came from cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants’ ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we
    know as chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    Cool. Not so long ago biologists said that biological rotary motors were impossible.

    As in elephants on wheels and screw-propellor-driven whales.

    They are common, and I think one spins at 100,000 RPM.

    But you need very high resolution microscopy to see what's going on. which has only recently become available.

    Flagella, I think.

    The helicase gadget that splits our DNA strand during cellreproduction spins at about 10,000 RPM.

    Or 30,000 rpm.

    My old rule on biological importance is that if you can see the critter by eye alone, it is not important.

    Lyme disease much?

    Borellia is caused by a spirochete, very like the one that causes syphilis. The spiral shape that gives the spiochete its name isn't the only one it can adopt, and the alternative shapes are useful in evading the immune system, as in secondary and
    tertiary syphilis (and borellia).

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sat Oct 7 19:56:25 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:00:28 AM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:53:08 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:39:07?AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    '“We’re an aberration,” says Maureen O’Malley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes — protists among them —
    dominate the planet. Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earth’s protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together
    they hold 40 times the biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbe’s world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of life’s history, O’Malley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere
    came from cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants’ ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we
    know as chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth

    There are lots of them around, but they don't have a lot of volition. Dominion does involve getting other organisms to do what you want.

    Yes, and when we look around us today we can see that agenda being actively pursued by those seeking to use the pretext of some 'climate emergency' to get the plebs to make huge and very costly sacrifices which will benefit them not one iota.

    Of course the more obvious example is the agenda being pursued by the fossil carbon extraction industry. who appreciate that climate change is real and likely to hit their cash flow hard, so they spend a lot of money on climate change denial propaganda.
    It has to be aimed at idiots like Cursitor Doom who haven't got the sense (or inhis case the motivation) to understand the extensive evidence that demonstrates that climate change is real.

    Renewable energy is now cheaper than the energy you can get by burning fossil carbon so the switch to renewable sources will save money for the plebs, if not of the fossil carbon
    extraction industry, who will still have a respectable business supply coal and oil to the petro-chemical industry - just not as lucrative as what they've got now.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Oct 8 07:30:28 2023
    On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:39:01 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    '“We’re an aberration,” says Maureen O’Malley, a philosopher of microbiology at the University of Sydney, as one multicellular earthling talking to another. In the modern view of life, single-celled microbes — protists among them —
    dominate the planet. Big multicellular life-forms now look like the rare, outlier freaks. A 2018 comparison estimates that Earth’s protists account for twice the gigatons of carbon as all the animals put together. Add in other microbes, and together
    they hold 40 times the biomass.

    Earth was entirely a microbe’s world for some 2.5 billion years or more, the majority of life’s history, O’Malley points out. We big multicellulars evolved on the backs of microbe innovations. Just a few examples: The oxygenated atmosphere came
    from cyanobacteria photosynthesizing 2.7 billion years ago. Even today an estimated half of the oxygen we breathe comes from microbial sources, not from plants. And plants’ ability to generate oxygen came from engulfing the microbial technology we know
    as chloroplasts.'

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/watch-microbial-life-earth
    Cool. Not so long ago biologists said that biological rotary motors
    were impossible. They are common, and I think one spins at 100,000
    RPM.

    The helicase gadget that splits our DNA strand during cell
    reproduction spins at about 10,000 RPM.

    This is interesting:

    https://www.learnbiomimicry.com/blog/best-biomimicry-examples

    I had no idea slime mold could inform city planning. Very apropos.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Sun Oct 8 15:19:54 2023
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    The idiot Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> persisting in being an Off-topic troll...

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