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Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
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On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculations https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/They've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculations
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 1:52:40?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote: >> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17?PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:have 50X the proficiency of the better studied '-penes'.
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculationsThey've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/
Scientists are learning more about sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is such a thing as actually reading the research report. The sesquiterpenes oxidize and contribute to the formation of ULVOCs which are 'highly efficient nucleators'- and very efficient at NPF, with which the clouds are seeded, The sesquiterpenes
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi5297
Problem is all the forests are dying due to drought and heat, a one-two punch that is looking less and less survivable in the long term.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:sesquiterpenes have 50X the proficiency of the better studied '-penes'.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 1:52:40?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17?PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculationsThey've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is such a thing as actually reading the research report. The sesquiterpenes oxidize and contribute to the formation of ULVOCs which are 'highly efficient nucleators'- and very efficient at NPF, with which the clouds are seeded, The
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi5297
Problem is all the forests are dying due to drought and heat, a one-two punch that is looking less and less survivable in the long term.
Sorry to disappoint your chronic disappointment:
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 1:52:40 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:have 50X the proficiency of the better studied '-penes'.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculations https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/They've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is such a thing as actually reading the research report. The sesquiterpenes oxidize and contribute to the formation of ULVOCs which are 'highly efficient nucleators'- and very efficient at NPF, with which the clouds are seeded, The sesquiterpenes
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi5297
Problem is all the forests are dying due to drought and heat, a one-two punch that is looking less and less survivable in the long term.
A lengthy read:
https://knowablemagazine.org/article/food-environment/2023/dead-trees-shocking-scientists
It's great the treeless apes are getting around to developing a workable understanding of how trees actually grow, but it's a century too late and a dollar short. They won't need to worry about all these sequiterpenes much longer.
Which might be just as well because some of these naturally derived NPFs have been implicated in mesothelioma.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:sesquiterpenes have 50X the proficiency of the better studied '-penes'.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 1:52:40?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17?PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculationsThey've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is such a thing as actually reading the research report. The sesquiterpenes oxidize and contribute to the formation of ULVOCs which are 'highly efficient nucleators'- and very efficient at NPF, with which the clouds are seeded, The
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi5297
Problem is all the forests are dying due to drought and heat, a one-two punch that is looking less and less survivable in the long term.Sorry to disappoint your chronic disappointment:
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:46:45 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:sesquiterpenes have 50X the proficiency of the better studied '-penes'.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 1:52:40?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17?PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> > A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculations
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/They've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is such a thing as actually reading the research report. The sesquiterpenes oxidize and contribute to the formation of ULVOCs which are 'highly efficient nucleators'- and very efficient at NPF, with which the clouds are seeded, The
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi5297
Problem is all the forests are dying due to drought and heat, a one-two punch that is looking less and less survivable in the long term.Sorry to disappoint your chronic disappointment:
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/That page is dated 2016. Obsolete.
Long term drought and heat waves are killing forests worldwide, and that's a fact. Because this kind of destructive weather is brought on by warming due to excessive atmospheric CO2, the ultimate conclusion is CO2 is killing them, not greening them.
On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 05:18:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculations
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/
Scientists are learning more about “sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
People mocked Ronald Reagan when he said that trees cause smog.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 8:46:45?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:sesquiterpenes have 50X the proficiency of the better studied '-penes'.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 1:52:40?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:18:17?PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
A revelation about trees is messing with climate calculationsThey've always known about sequiterpenes - my organic chemistry courses from the early 1960's were excessively informative about the subject, which is why I can still remember the name.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/09/this-cloud-particle-is-making-climate-calculations-hazy/
Scientists are learning more about sesquiterpenes," vapors made from trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesquiterpene
There wasn't any suggestion at the time that they were particularly good nucleation centres for atmospheric moisture - the cloud seeding trials of the period relied on the rather more expensive silver iodide for that.
As usual, Jan Panteltje doesn't know what he is talking about.
There is such a thing as actually reading the research report. The sesquiterpenes oxidize and contribute to the formation of ULVOCs which are 'highly efficient nucleators'- and very efficient at NPF, with which the clouds are seeded, The
Sorry to disappoint your chronic disappointment:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adi5297
Problem is all the forests are dying due to drought and heat, a one-two punch that is looking less and less survivable in the long term.
https://www.nasa.gov/technology/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/
That page is dated 2016. Obsolete.
Long term drought and heat waves are killing forests worldwide, and that's a fact. Because this kind of destructive weather is brought on by warming due to excessive atmospheric CO2, the ultimate conclusion is CO2 is killing them, not greening them.
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 07:29:00 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
Long term drought and heat waves are killing forests worldwide, and that's a fact. Because this kind of destructive weather is brought on by warming due to excessive atmospheric CO2, the ultimate conclusion is CO2 is killing them, not greening them.Keep hoping for the worst.
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On a sunny day (Tue, 03 Oct 2023 05:42:08 -0700) it happened John Larkin <j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <kt2ohi116sid3bcp1...@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2023 05:18:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> wrote:
People mocked Ronald Reagan when he said that trees cause smog.
Reagan was OK.
I am glad now aid to Ukraine is no longer part of the US taxpayer robbery.
Today I was wondering if a species that makes weapons just to be able to sell those so they can eat and makes war in places far from its home for just that reason, is allowed in the universe of things.
Biden with NATO is just a US weapon sales agency.
Biden is just eating human flesh that way.
So I won't cry if the Biden species gets some of its own medicine.
Biden is a cannibal.
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