This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
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Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
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Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free SuperchargingWas that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMng
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
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Rick C.
You didn't read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse "brand new" with "first built". Go back and read/listen to them again.- Get 1,000 miles of free SuperchargingWas that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.
--
Rick C.
+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal
The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can bemonitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.
Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region wherethermal runaway is likely.
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal
The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can bemonitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.
Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region wherethermal runaway is likely.
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo's Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
--
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
--
Rick C.
You didn't read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse "brand new" with "first built". Go back and read/listen to them again.- Get 1,000 miles of free SuperchargingWas that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.
--
Rick C.
+ Get 1,000 miles of free SuperchargingSounds like "brand new" to me - are you claiming that Tesla sold them USED power banks?
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:12:44 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:bought the batter backup which not only provides power during outages, it helps prevent outages and makes money by electrical arbitrage.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:24:17 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:52:41 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote: \
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
You didn't read that in any of the links you provided. You seem to confuse "brand new" with "first built". Go back and read/listen to them again.
Not sure how that matters anyway, but whatever.
Sounds like "brand new" to me - are you claiming that Tesla sold them USED power banks?
I'm trying to explain the English language. They are saying this is the first unit built in that country. I think that was some years ago. There had been a large power outage which shut everything in that part of Australia for a couple of days. So they
Bill probably can point you to some links about it if you are too lazy to look it up yourself.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal
We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a "lightning strike."
monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be
LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!
thermal runaway is likely.Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region where
So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a "decent battery monitoring system"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo's Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
Call Lyin' Biden or yourself "senile", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.
And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheap
imports.
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal
We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a "lightning strike."
Sewage Sweeper doesn't want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he's happy to claim that it wasn't. More objective information may exist but he won't bother looking for it;
monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be
a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!If it had monitoring, as I've sure it did, it wouldn't have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that because
thermal runaway is likely.Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region where
So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a "decent battery monitoring system"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?It was in Queensland - Australia's deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of the fire.
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo's Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
Call Lyin' Biden or yourself "senile", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.Your "report" starts with "This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: " which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.
You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.
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Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney
John Larkin <j...@997pothill.com> wrote:
And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheapSpeaking of failure rates, surprisingly nobody's mentioned here
imports.
that it's not the first time this has happened to a Tesla battery
in Aus. There was this fire at another end of the country in 2021: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-battery-fire-moorabool-geelong/100337488
That fire has been investigated and found to be most likely caused
a coolant leak, which created a short-circuit even though the
battery was "offline": https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/fire-at-tesla-giant-battery-project-near-geelong-investigation/100496688
A later report is here: https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/2022/01/31/independent-report-released/
Except they've impressively managed to break the PDF download link
there already, so it's here: http://web.archive.org/web/20230608103018if_/https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/VBB-Fire-Independent-Report-of-Technical-Findings.pdf
"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause of
the fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1
causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack's battery
modules. This resulted in heating of the battery module's
lithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event
and the fire."
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On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from normal
We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a "lightning strike."
Sewage Sweeper doesn't want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he's happy to claim that it wasn't. More objective information may exist but he won't bother looking for it;
Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical.
monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can be
because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!
If it had monitoring, as I've sure it did, it wouldn't have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that
thermal runaway is likely.Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region where
fire.So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a "decent battery monitoring system"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?
It was in Queensland - Australia's deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of the
Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! "The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of the fire" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo's Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
Call Lyin' Biden or yourself "senile", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.
Your "report" starts with "This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: " which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.
What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.
You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:14:44 PM UTC-7, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:module's lithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire."
John Larkin <j...@997pothill.com> wrote: ]
And that was a real Tesla bank. Imagine the failure rate of cheap imports.Speaking of failure rates, surprisingly nobody's mentioned here that it's not the first time this has happened to a Tesla battery in Australia. There was this fire at another end of the country in 2021:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/tesla-battery-fire-moorabool-geelong/100337488
That fire has been investigated and found to be most likely caused a coolant leak, which created a short-circuit even though the battery was "offline":
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/fire-at-tesla-giant-battery-project-near-geelong-investigation/100496688
A later report is here: https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/2022/01/31/independent-report-released/
Except they've impressively managed to break the PDF download link
there already, so it's here: http://web.archive.org/web/20230608103018if_/https://victorianbigbattery.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/VBB-Fire-Independent-Report-of-Technical-Findings.pdf
"The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause of the fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1 causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack's battery modules. This resulted in heating of the battery
Bill didn't bother to read the news article:
"When the project first went live in July, the Queensland government spruiked the 50MW/100MWH battery as being able to power 4,000 homes."
This facility was, indeed, BRAND NEW - not sure what "spruiked" should have been, but probably was "touted".
The owner of the facility called it a "minor incident" while at the same time advising residents to “stay indoors and keep respiratory medication close by”. That doesn't sound like a "minor" incident to me.
https://www.energy-storage.news/tesla-megapack-on-fire-in-minor-incident-at-battery-storage-site-in-australia/
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from
be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a "lightning strike."
Sewage Sweeper doesn't want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he's happy to claim that it wasn't. More objective information may exist but he won't bother looking for it;Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical.
I didn't say it was. I said it might have been. This is Sewage Sweeper lying, as he does repeatedly.
The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can
because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!
If it had monitoring, as I've sure it did, it wouldn't have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that
<snipped more of sewage Sweepoer's meanaingless rhetoric>where thermal runaway is likely.
Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region
fire.So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a "decent battery monitoring system"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?
It was in Queensland - Australia's deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of the
Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! "The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of the fire" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.I didn't do any guessing. I just pointed out that there were alternative explanations for the fire beyond the one you were touting as your preferred explanation (even though there was no evidence to support your preference.
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo's Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
Call Lyin' Biden or yourself "senile", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.
Your "report" starts with "This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: " which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.
What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.But you did imply that a "safer" battery wouldn't have caught fire.
<snipped more of Sewage Sweeper's predictable - thus content-free - rhetoric.>You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.
if Sewage Sweeper had bothered to read the thread before he posted his latest stream of pointless abuse he'd have co,me across this report about an earlier fire in a similar installation
""The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause ofthe fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack's battermodules. This resulted in heating of the battery module'slithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire."
Not exactly a lightning strike, but a fault that created a similar sort of local heating
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On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:12:49 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:normal operation to thermal runaway at any moment,
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:15:34 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 2:10:56 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:37:31 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 1:52:41 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:29:02 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:30:02 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/27/tesla-lithium-battery-fire-bouldercombe-energy-storage-site-project-rockhampton
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/tesla-battery-fire-at-queensland-renewable-energy-project/102905302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2UOC2TMngThey can be pretty bad, huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-seam_fire
Was that a BRAND NEW coal seam, dude?
Since we haven't got as clue what caused the fire - for all Sewage Sweeper knows it might have been struck by lightning - the fuss about "brand new" is just Sewage Sweeper airing his deluded idea that lithium ion batteries can proceed from
be monitored by keeping track of the battery core temperature versus it's surface temperature.We can pretty much say it WAS NOT the result of a "lightning strike."
Sewage Sweeper doesn't want it to have have been caused by a lightning strike, so he's happy to claim that it wasn't. More objective information may exist but he won't bother looking for it;
Bill makes a FALSE CLAIM that it was caused by lightning w/o ANY PROOF - typical.
I didn't say it was. I said it might have been. This is Sewage Sweeper lying, as he does repeatedly.
The process by which a battery can move from normal, operation to increasing self-discharge (and sell-heating) to a state when the self-heating can get the core temperature up to 120C where thermal; run-away can set in does take time, and can
because a battery fire makes people anxious in a way that sells newspapers.LOL! Are you saying that they DID NOT have said monitoring? I truly THINK NOT!
If it had monitoring, as I've sure it did, it wouldn't have blown up because it went into thermal runaway. My hypothesis us that some external event - a lightning strike, a truck hitting it or the like - caused the problem. Nobody dug into that
where thermal runaway is likely.<snipped more of sewage Sweepoer's meaningless rhetoric>
Any decent battery monitoring system can do that continuously. If the battery shows early signs of distress, you can make is safe by completely discharging it - limiting the discharge rate to one that won't overheat the cells to the region
the fire.So, are you saying that they DID NOT have a "decent battery monitoring system"? If so, how could OZ be so DERELICT in allowing such an unsafe installation?
It was in Queensland - Australia's deep north - but it certainly would have had a decent monitoring system so presumably the fire get started by something other than therrmal runaway. The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of
Hey Bozo, your English SUCKS! "The reports didn't actually say anything about the cause of the fire" but you have NO PROBLEM guessing.
I didn't do any guessing. I just pointed out that there were alternative explanations for the fire beyond the one you were touting as your preferred explanation (even though there was no evidence to support your preference.
It's a more complicated idea than can be handled by the senile remnants of the brain which Bozo's Sewage Sweeper still has left, and ignoring it lets him post his usual nonsense sound bite.
Call Lyin' Biden or yourself "senile", but ALL that I did was to REPORT the news, nothing more and nothing less. For you to make these claims shows YOUR senility.
Your "report" starts with "This complex uses the SAFEST lithium chemistry: LFP: " which does imply that you blame the fire on the battery chemistry and are ignoring any other possible ignition source.
What are you saying, Bozo, that LFP IS NOT the safest lithium chemistry? I said exactly ZERO about the ignition source, if you had bothered to actually READ what I wrote.
But you did imply that a "safer" battery wouldn't have caught fire.
You are too far gone in senility to appreciate what you were implying.
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if Sewage Sweeper had bothered to read the thread before he posted his latest stream of pointless abuse he'd have co,me across this report about an earlier fire in a similar installation.
If YOU had bothered to read the subject report you would have learned that the first thing they do is to isolate the battery packs on fire and nearby, thereby eliminating your ridiculous idea of draining the energy in the battery.
slithium-ion cells that led to a propagating thermal runaway event and the fire."""The origin of the fire was MP-1 and the most likely root cause ofthe fire was a leak within the liquid cooling system of MP-1causing arcing in the power electronics of the Megapack's battermodules. This resulted in heating of the battery module'
Not exactly a lightning strike, but a fault that created a similar sort of local heating.
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