• Helpful app for hearing test, whether on not you buy something

    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 04:16:24 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

    This app came with the yoke-style sound amplifier I bought, but it seems
    to work with a cell phone and earbuds too, and though it's not what an audiologist would do, IMO it's pretty good, and easy, and includes more
    than I would have espected** you don't have to buy the sound amplifier
    if you don't want, though I've included the link

    **It tests hearing at iirc 4 frequencies and goes up and down, and maybe
    up and down again, narrowing in on the lowest level at which you hear
    the sounds, for each ear.

    Even for my the $150 yoke style that I got, it seems to apply the
    results of the test to the amplification, though I didn't try this until yesterday, so I have no idea if it changed anything. OTOH, mayyyybe
    even for their fancier hearing aids, they use no more than this same
    app.

    But I'm offering this mostly as afun way to look at your hearing,
    without even leaving your desk.

    The manual, which I haven't read yet, and I should: https://www.myhearingservice.com/app/soundwear/soundwear2manual.pdf

    Here is the app, https://play.google.com/store/search?q=SOUNDWEAR&utm_source=opensearch&pli=1&c=apps

    Here is my product, but they make various kinds including behind the ear
    with the little tube. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C3MDFNRB?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

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  • From Retirednoguilt@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Sep 26 09:34:42 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

    On 9/26/2023 4:16 AM, micky wrote:
    This app came with the yoke-style sound amplifier I bought, but it seems
    to work with a cell phone and earbuds too, and though it's not what an audiologist would do, IMO it's pretty good, and easy, and includes more
    than I would have espected** you don't have to buy the sound amplifier
    if you don't want, though I've included the link

    **It tests hearing at iirc 4 frequencies and goes up and down, and maybe
    up and down again, narrowing in on the lowest level at which you hear
    the sounds, for each ear.

    Even for my the $150 yoke style that I got, it seems to apply the
    results of the test to the amplification, though I didn't try this until yesterday, so I have no idea if it changed anything. OTOH, mayyyybe
    even for their fancier hearing aids, they use no more than this same
    app.

    But I'm offering this mostly as afun way to look at your hearing,
    without even leaving your desk.

    The manual, which I haven't read yet, and I should: https://www.myhearingservice.com/app/soundwear/soundwear2manual.pdf

    Here is the app, https://play.google.com/store/search?q=SOUNDWEAR&utm_source=opensearch&pli=1&c=apps

    Here is my product, but they make various kinds including behind the ear
    with the little tube. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C3MDFNRB?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

    These devices, with relatively unsophisticated electronics, are very
    likely all you need if your problem relates to hearing dialog on the
    radio, TV, or in the movies. Those environments are generally quiet
    except for the audio information you are interested in hearing.
    However, if your problem also involves comprehending speech when there's interfering sound, such as at restaurants, dinner parties at a private
    home, while talking walks with one or more people adjacent to a street
    in an urban setting etc., they are often inadequate and true hearing
    aids may be needed.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com on Tue Sep 26 11:56:41 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

    In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 09:34:42 -0400, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

    On 9/26/2023 4:16 AM, micky wrote:
    This app came with the yoke-style sound amplifier I bought, but it seems
    to work with a cell phone and earbuds too, and though it's not what an
    audiologist would do, IMO it's pretty good, and easy, and includes more
    than I would have espected** you don't have to buy the sound amplifier
    if you don't want, though I've included the link

    **It tests hearing at iirc 4 frequencies and goes up and down, and maybe
    up and down again, narrowing in on the lowest level at which you hear
    the sounds, for each ear.

    Even for my the $150 yoke style that I got, it seems to apply the
    results of the test to the amplification, though I didn't try this until
    yesterday, so I have no idea if it changed anything. OTOH, mayyyybe
    even for their fancier hearing aids, they use no more than this same
    app.

    But I'm offering this mostly as afun way to look at your hearing,
    without even leaving your desk.

    The manual, which I haven't read yet, and I should:
    https://www.myhearingservice.com/app/soundwear/soundwear2manual.pdf

    Here is the app,
    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=SOUNDWEAR&utm_source=opensearch&pli=1&c=apps

    Here is my product, but they make various kinds including behind the ear
    with the little tube.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C3MDFNRB?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

    These devices, with relatively unsophisticated electronics, are very
    likely all you need if your problem relates to hearing dialog on the
    radio, TV, or in the movies. Those environments are generally quiet
    except for the audio information you are interested in hearing.
    However, if your problem also involves comprehending speech when there's >interfering sound, such as at restaurants, dinner parties at a private
    home, while talking walks with one or more people adjacent to a street
    in an urban setting etc., they are often inadequate and true hearing
    aids may be needed.

    Yes, I'm usually alone listening to the radio or TV (which I can just
    make a little louder) or with one person 80% of whom talk loud enough
    that I have no trouble. Or on the phone**. But a couple days ago I was
    in an informal crowd and noticed that with the Maihear yoke device it
    was hard to hear one convesation because an other kept interfering. And
    noises I would not have noticed, would have thought small, were just as
    loud as the conversations. When I took the buds out of my ears, I could
    hear the conversation I wanted without being bothered by the other
    stuff. It's strange.

    It's also strange, IMO, that voices only get a little louder but other
    noises get far louder, like even the tapping of the keyboard keys or the rustling of paper. Maybe it's that logarithmic thing about sound, or
    maybe the little noises don't really get more louder but they surpass
    some level of loudness at which my mind doesn't ignore them anymore.
    Maybe we learn to ignore little noises below a certain level.


    (Footnotes become less interesting the more asterisks they have.)

    **the phone is interesting. When they are on speakerphone I have no
    trouble hearing them, but they sometimes can't hear me because my
    speakerphone is flakey***. When I use the handset, I often can't hear
    them. Sometimes I switch it on and off depending who's talking but I'm
    working on a long term solution which is connecting a Western Electric
    phone in the same location. I have a dial Princess phone from 63+ years
    ago that I'm sure works perfectly. Hmmm. It pays to discuss this stuff
    here. I also have a Western Electric handset that is hanging in the
    bathroom, connected to a wall plate with an on/off switch, a neon light
    to know when it's ringing, and a buzzer with a separate switch. No one
    calls me when I'm in the bathtub anymore and that would take up less
    space than a whole Princess. I hadn't thought of that until I tried to
    explain things to you.

    ***I don't want to buy another speakerphone because I'm cheap and I have
    a base station, 3 cordless extensions, and 3 spares with charging
    holders I bought on ebay for when the extensions fail. (After on one the
    on/off started failing, but after it failed entirely, I found the
    speakerphone button is as good or better.)

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  • From Retirednoguilt@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Sep 26 12:16:35 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

    On 9/26/2023 11:56 AM, micky wrote:


    It's also strange, IMO, that voices only get a little louder but other
    noises get far louder, like even the tapping of the keyboard keys or the rustling of paper. Maybe it's that logarithmic thing about sound, or
    maybe the little noises don't really get more louder but they surpass
    some level of loudness at which my mind doesn't ignore them anymore.
    Maybe we learn to ignore little noises below a certain level.



    This is often because of microphone placement issues within a device and absence of hi-tech filtration both in items such as your yoke device and
    in lower tech hearing aids. You end up with essentially omnidirectional non-selective amplification of all sound in the environment. The higher
    tech (but more expensive hearing aids) have adjustable amplification
    levels for both the microphones designed and placed to emphasize sound
    in front of and somewhat to the side of the user and for the microphones
    that are designed and placed to give the user help hearing sounds behind
    (both for sound location and safety purposes). In addition, there can
    be multiple adjustable filters for frequency accentuation/attenuation,
    for damping of short duration, high amplitude sounds, etc. etc.
    However, unless and until properly adjusted, the hi tech hearing aids
    are likely produce results no better than the cheap stuff. That's why
    the settings need to be tweaked and personalized by a skilled
    audiologist in response to the detailed information provided by the
    user. This often takes 2-4 visits spaced about a week apart for
    reasonable trial after each adjustment. Also, apparently the brain
    needs some time to accommodate to the new characteristics of the
    auditory input. It's more complicated and difficult to obtain optimal
    results than with a visit to the optometrist for a visual exam and Rx
    for typical visual correction with eyeglasses.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Sep 26 10:38:29 2023
    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 10:16:35 UTC+2, micky wrote:
    This app came with the yoke-style sound amplifier I bought, but it seems
    to work with a cell phone and earbuds too, and though it's not what an audiologist would do, IMO it's pretty good, and easy, and includes more
    than I would have espected** you don't have to buy the sound amplifier
    if you don't want, though I've included the link

    **It tests hearing at iirc 4 frequencies and goes up and down, and maybe
    up and down again, narrowing in on the lowest level at which you hear
    the sounds, for each ear.

    Even for my the $150 yoke style that I got, it seems to apply the
    results of the test to the amplification, though I didn't try this until yesterday, so I have no idea if it changed anything. OTOH, mayyyybe
    even for their fancier hearing aids, they use no more than this same
    app.

    But I'm offering this mostly as afun way to look at your hearing,
    without even leaving your desk.


    spam is spam

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 17:41:50 2023


    Darius the Dumb has posted yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa article.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to micky on Tue Sep 26 20:10:08 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

    On 9/26/23 1:16 AM, micky wrote:
    This app came with the yoke-style sound amplifier I bought, but it seems
    to work with a cell phone and earbuds too, and though it's not what an audiologist would do, IMO it's pretty good, and easy, and includes more
    than I would have espected** you don't have to buy the sound amplifier
    if you don't want, though I've included the link

    **It tests hearing at iirc 4 frequencies and goes up and down, and maybe
    up and down again, narrowing in on the lowest level at which you hear
    the sounds, for each ear.

    Even for my the $150 yoke style that I got, it seems to apply the
    results of the test to the amplification, though I didn't try this until yesterday, so I have no idea if it changed anything. OTOH, mayyyybe
    even for their fancier hearing aids, they use no more than this same
    app.

    But I'm offering this mostly as afun way to look at your hearing,
    without even leaving your desk.

    The manual, which I haven't read yet, and I should: https://www.myhearingservice.com/app/soundwear/soundwear2manual.pdf

    Here is the app, https://play.google.com/store/search?q=SOUNDWEAR&utm_source=opensearch&pli=1&c=apps

    Tried it with my earbuds with the collar-thing. Interesting. It says I
    have 16% loss in one ear and 12% in the other, but I know it's worse
    than that. It doesn't test low frequencies, but those really aren't
    important.

    Here is my product, but they make various kinds including behind the ear
    with the little tube. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C3MDFNRB?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

    We tried one like that, but it really needs separate volume controls and
    hooks over the ears to keep the buds from falling out. The collar-thing
    is nice, but it would be better if there were also those soft
    over-the-ear hooks that keep the buds in place.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "A friend is someone who puts the needs of others above their own.
    Find one of those people and take advantage of him." --Rat

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 23:35:04 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Wed Sep 27 13:55:52 2023
    XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.electronics.repair

    On 9/26/23 11:35 PM, John Robertson wrote:
    On 2023/09/26 8:10 p.m., The Real Bev wrote:
    On 9/26/23 1:16 AM, micky wrote:
    This app came with the yoke-style sound amplifier I bought, but it seems >>> to work with a cell phone and earbuds too, and though it's not what an
    audiologist would do, IMO it's pretty good, and easy, and includes more
    than I would have espected** you don't have to buy the sound amplifier
    if you don't want, though I've included the link

    **It tests hearing at iirc 4 frequencies and goes up and down, and maybe >>> up and down again, narrowing in on the lowest level at which you hear
    the sounds, for each ear.

    Even for my the $150 yoke style that I got, it seems to apply the
    results of the test to the amplification, though I didn't try this until >>> yesterday, so I have no idea if it changed anything.   OTOH, mayyyybe
    even for their fancier hearing aids, they use no more than this same
    app.

    But I'm offering this mostly as afun way to look at your hearing,
    without even leaving your desk.

    The manual, which I haven't read yet, and I should:
    https://www.myhearingservice.com/app/soundwear/soundwear2manual.pdf

    Here is the app,
    https://play.google.com/store/search?q=SOUNDWEAR&utm_source=opensearch&pli=1&c=apps

    Tried it with my earbuds with the collar-thing.  Interesting.  It says I >> have 16% loss in one ear and 12% in the other, but I know it's worse
    than that.  It doesn't test low frequencies, but those really aren't
    important.

    Did you try exchanging the earbuds from one ear to the other and try the
    test again? No guarantee that the earbuds are perfect is there?

    No, but the left ear is definitely worse than the right ear due to a
    sudden blast of really loud sound from my phone when I was holding it up
    to my ear. Loud enough to scare hubby sitting 6 feet away. Given that I
    have to turn the speaker function on for normal talking, I had no idea
    that the thing could make that loud a sound. Instant serious hearing
    loss, which hasn't improved in a month.


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand.

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