The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance andconstruction because they don't pay gas taxes!
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance andconstruction because they don't pay gas taxes!
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance andconstruction because they don't pay gas taxes!
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 3:38:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
weight in a parking garage is no more likely to cause it to collapse than a sudden influx of SUVs.https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsTrust Sewage Sweeper to seep up some more right-wing miss-information. In reality electric vehicles tend to be 30% heavier than their gasoline-engined equivalents, but there always have been a distribution in vehicle weights, and another 30% extra
SUVs present the same sort of danger to lighter cars in a car crash, and this hasn't lead to them being banned'
And the crap about them no paying for road maintenance is just silly - they don't do so at the moment, because there aren't enough of them to matter, but it's just that the responsible authorities haven't yet got around to imposing a road use tax oneverybody, mainly because they haven't yet sorted out the cheapest and most comprehensive way of doing it.
My car already get billed for a road use tax on selected roads in Sydney - it's fitted with an active card at the top of the windscreen which beeps when I enter and leave a toll road, and the portal sends me a bill every six months or so. Stick a GPSlocator in it and it can tell the portal where I've been since I last went through one.
--
Bill Sloman, Synhey
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguyand construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsThese infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming. I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's
probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs (apart
from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the
doors so no one can get out.) And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece! Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the
roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguyand construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it coming.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs (apart from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all thedoors so no one can get out.) And we haven't even begun to get to grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the roads and the production of any more shut down world-wide.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguyand construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it coming.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs (apart from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all thedoors so no one can get out.) And we haven't even begun to get to grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the roads and the production of any more shut down world-wide.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguyand construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsThese infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's
probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
(apart
from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the
doors so no one can get out.)
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the
roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
If you can't hear an EV coming, it's because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's
probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
Which is not supported by any facts.
(apart
from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the
doors so no one can get out.)
Again, not supported by the facts.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the
roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
It's fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:16:47 AM UTC-7, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:33:46 UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:Probably 1400 pounds for most EVs.
...
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!They do not weigh 1400kg.
My Leaf battery #1 is 400kg/700 pounds, #2 is 40kg/100 pounds, #3 is 14kg/30 pounds, #4 is 10kg/20 pounds.
On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:33:46 UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
...
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!They do not weigh 1400kg.
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into
flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the
conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented
by the doors automatically locking them inside. You know damn well
this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for
every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it's
not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an
incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now. And it will
become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now
that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18?PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:cost of precious metals extracted shall not be in excess of the newly mined and processed resource. That makes sense to me. And they're hitting the target every time.
Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into
flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the
conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented
by the doors automatically locking them inside. You know damn well
this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for
every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it's
not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an
incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now. And it will
become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now
that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.'
There's not a single renewable power source out there for which recycling/ disposal/ demonstration research is not being conducted. Solar panels will probably add up to more than EV battery packs. Criterion for successful recycling is that the final
https://www.energy.gov/infrastructure/electric-drive-vehicle-battery-recycling-and-2nd-life-apps
Life would be easier for you if you investigate the actual facts of whatever it is causing you so much anxiety.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18?PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Life would be easier for you if you investigate the actual facts of whatever it is causing you so much anxiety.
Whitewashing and cover-ups can only work for so long. In the fullness of time, you'll see the truth emerge......
On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:33:46 UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:
...
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
They do not weigh 1400kg.
The battery in a Tesla Model 3 long range weighs less than 500kg which is typical for the larger ones.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Rickyand construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
<gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
If you can't hear an EV coming, it's because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.
I don't give a damn how much noise they don't make on the highway. The fact is in Yurp they're as silent as the grave - which is where any unfortunate pedestrian who enounters one will end up if he's hit by one.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
Which is not supported by any facts.
Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but hereabouts it's certainly the case.
know damn well this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.(apart from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the
doors so no one can get out.)
Again, not supported by the facts.
Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented by the doors automatically locking them inside. You
And we haven't even begun to get to grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the material inside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it's not the actual reality.
The fact of the matter is that there is an incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now.
And it will become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
It's fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.
You and that conspicuous idiot Bill Sloman are the only kooks ignoring the reality of the situation here.
You mark my words: the disposal of EV batteries will be the next BIG ISSUE going forward. MARK MY WORDS....
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance andconstruction because they don't pay gas taxes!
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Rickyand construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
<gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
If you can't hear an EV coming, it's because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.I don't give a damn how much noise they don't make on the highway. The
fact is in Yurp they're as silent as the grave - which is where any unfortunate pedestrian who enounters one will end up if he's hit by
one.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's
probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
Which is not supported by any facts.Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but hereabouts it's certainly
the case.
(apart
from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the
doors so no one can get out.)
Again, not supported by the facts.Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into
flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the
conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented
by the doors automatically locking them inside.
You know damn well
this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for
every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it's
not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an
incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now.
And it will
become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now
that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the
roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
It's fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.You and that conspicuous idiot Bill Sloman are the only kooks ignoring
the reality of the situation here. You mark my words: the disposal of
EV batteries will be the next BIG ISSUE going forward. MARK MY
WORDS....
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:16:47 AM UTC-7, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:33:46 UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:Probably 1400 pounds for most EVs.
...
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!They do not weigh 1400kg.
My Leaf battery #1 is 400kg/700 pounds, #2 is 40kg/100 pounds, #3 is 14kg/30 pounds, #4 is 10kg/20 pounds.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Ricky
<gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
front of him.These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
I just explained to you how new EVs all have to make noise at parking lot speeds. Then there is the fact that you are blind, since you should be looking where you are going. It's not all up to the driver of the car to avoid the pedestrians who walk inIf you can't hear an EV coming, it's because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.I don't give a damn how much noise they don't make on the highway. The fact is in Yurp they're as silent as the grave - which is where any unfortunate pedestrian who enounters one will end up if he's hit by
one.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's
probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
Which is not supported by any facts.Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but hereabouts it's certainly
the case.
(apart
from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the
doors so no one can get out.)
The doors don't "lock". My doors have a mechanical handle. I can open them at any time. Please stop lying about this.Again, not supported by the facts.Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into
flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the
conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented
by the doors automatically locking them inside.
You know damn well
this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for
every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it'sYes!!! We are very much aware of climate change caused by the massive emissions of CO2, largely by autos.
not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now.
any "crisis" in recycling the batteries. You need to keep in mind that these batteries aren't tossed when they reach 70% capacity. They are simply removed from automotive use and put into stationary applications.And it willThe "first generation" of EVs sold in the 10's of thousands per year. The Nissan leaf sold 100,000 a year at some point. The Tesla model 3 is the first car to sell in significant volumes and started shipping in 2018. So you are a long way off, as is
become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now
that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.
grounds. But you don't seem to think they are a problem.Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the
roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
You are pretty funny. When will this catastrophe happen?It's fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.You and that conspicuous idiot Bill Sloman are the only kooks ignoring
the reality of the situation here. You mark my words: the disposal of
EV batteries will be the next BIG ISSUE going forward. MARK MY
WORDS....
How many tires does your car go through? What is the volume and weight of those tires? What the hell do they do with all of them? God forbid they catch on fire. They never get put out. Even if not on fire, they hold water and create mosquito breeding
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:26:48 PM UTC-4, Eddy Lee wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:16:47 AM UTC-7, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:Not "most" EVs. Only the longest range EVs. There may be larger batteries in some of the monster pickups. But pickups are always monster these days, weight tons (literally) in all models.
On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:33:46 UTC-7, Cursitor Doom wrote:Probably 1400 pounds for most EVs.
...
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!They do not weigh 1400kg.
My Leaf battery #1 is 400kg/700 pounds, #2 is 40kg/100 pounds, #3 is 14kg/30 pounds, #4 is 10kg/20 pounds.I think your Leaf is no longer considered an EV. You probably would get better range by using AA batteries. These days, it's more of a paperweight.
mandag den 25. september 2023 kl. 21.45.24 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
in front of him.These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
I just explained to you how new EVs all have to make noise at parking lot speeds. Then there is the fact that you are blind, since you should be looking where you are going. It's not all up to the driver of the car to avoid the pedestrians who walkIf you can't hear an EV coming, it's because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.I don't give a damn how much noise they don't make on the highway. The fact is in Yurp they're as silent as the grave - which is where any unfortunate pedestrian who enounters one will end up if he's hit by
one.
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's
probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
Which is not supported by any facts.Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but hereabouts it's certainly
the case.
any "crisis" in recycling the batteries. You need to keep in mind that these batteries aren't tossed when they reach 70% capacity. They are simply removed from automotive use and put into stationary applications.(apart
from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the >> doors so no one can get out.)
The doors don't "lock". My doors have a mechanical handle. I can open them at any time. Please stop lying about this.Again, not supported by the facts.Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the
conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented
by the doors automatically locking them inside.
You know damn well
this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
road transport about 30% of global CO2 emmissions, cars about half of those 30%Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it'sYes!!! We are very much aware of climate change caused by the massive emissions of CO2, largely by autos.
not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now.
And it willThe "first generation" of EVs sold in the 10's of thousands per year. The Nissan leaf sold 100,000 a year at some point. The Tesla model 3 is the first car to sell in significant volumes and started shipping in 2018. So you are a long way off, as is
become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.
grounds. But you don't seem to think they are a problem.Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the
roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
You are pretty funny. When will this catastrophe happen?It's fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.You and that conspicuous idiot Bill Sloman are the only kooks ignoring the reality of the situation here. You mark my words: the disposal of
EV batteries will be the next BIG ISSUE going forward. MARK MY
WORDS....
How many tires does your car go through? What is the volume and weight of those tires? What the hell do they do with all of them? God forbid they catch on fire. They never get put out. Even if not on fire, they hold water and create mosquito breeding
Tire manufacturer says EVs use tires about 30% faster that ICE cars
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On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:38:27 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsI guess that's why they don't allow full sized pickup trucks to park in decks. Right?
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On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 3:38:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
weight in a parking garage is no more likely to cause it to collapse than a sudden influx of SUVs.https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsTrust Sewage Sweeper to seep up some more right-wing miss-information. In reality electric vehicles tend to be 30% heavier than their gasoline-engined equivalents, but there always have been a distribution in vehicle weights, and another 30% extra
SUVs present the same sort of danger to lighter cars in a car crash, and this hasn't lead to them being banned'
And the crap about them no paying for road maintenance is just silly - they don't do so at the moment, because there aren't enough of them to matter, but it's just that the responsible authorities haven't yet got around to imposing a road use tax oneverybody, mainly because they haven't yet sorted out the cheapest and most comprehensive way of doing it.
My car already get billed for a road use tax on selected roads in Sydney - it's fitted with an active card at the top of the windscreen which beeps when I enter and leave a toll road, and the portal sends me a bill every six months or so. Stick a GPSlocator in it and it can tell the portal where I've been since I last went through one.
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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:46:35 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:38:27 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
I guess that's why they don't allow full sized pickup trucks to park in decks. Right?
No, it is because they are too tall to fit in parking garages. EVs, OTOH, can park in ANY parking garage. And, if the likes of that senile pervert Lyin' Biden get their way, they will represent the majority of cars in said garages.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 2:29:12 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 3:38:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
weight in a parking garage is no more likely to cause it to collapse than a sudden influx of SUVs.https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsTrust Sewage Sweeper to seep up some more right-wing miss-information. In reality electric vehicles tend to be 30% heavier than their gasoline-engined equivalents, but there always have been a distribution in vehicle weights, and another 30% extra
Hey Bozo, EV SUVs will be 30% heavier than their ICE counterparts. And you present ZERO data that SUVs are heavier than passenger cars (as is usual for your bloviation). What the industry calls a "SUV" is nothing more that a 4WD car with a hatchback.
SUVs present the same sort of danger to lighter cars in a car crash, and this hasn't lead to them being banned'
Ditto on your total lack of supporting data.
everybody, mainly because they haven't yet sorted out the cheapest and most comprehensive way of doing it.And the crap about them no paying for road maintenance is just silly - they don't do so at the moment, because there aren't enough of them to matter, but it's just that the responsible authorities haven't yet got around to imposing a road use tax on
Hey Bozo, this is FACT, not fiction. What happens in the future DOES NOT change what is happening NOW.
locator in it and it can tell the portal where I've been since I last went through one.My car already get billed for a road use tax on selected roads in Sydney - it's fitted with an active card at the top of the windscreen which beeps when I enter and leave a toll road, and the portal sends me a bill every six months or so. Stick a GPS
That is called a "toll road", which represents a VERY SMALL percentage of the total roadways.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:46:35 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:38:27 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
I guess that's why they don't allow full sized pickup trucks to park in decks. Right?
No, it is because they are too tall to fit in parking garages. EVs, OTOH, can park in ANY parking garage. And, if the likes of that senile pervert Lyin' Biden get their way, they will represent the majority of cars in said garages.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:46:35 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 1:38:27 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazardsI guess that's why they don't allow full sized pickup trucks to park in decks. Right?
--
Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free SuperchargingNo, it is because they are too tall to fit in parking garages. EVs, OTOH, can park in ANY parking garage. And, if the likes of that senile pervert Lyin' Biden get their way, they will represent the majority of cars in said garages.
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance andconstruction because they don't pay gas taxes!
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road maintenance
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is a long-drawn-out process, and any battery big enough to be dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJ
Since nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating that can run away when the battery core gets up to about
Right-wing lunatics?
https://giphy.com/gifs/thegoodfilms-robert-de-niro-taxi-driver-movie-CYUDHVmioGETu
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
https://www.scribd.com/book/523687184/The-Disappearing-Act-The-Impossible-Case-of-MH370
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showingRight-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+batteries+exploding+spontaneously
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating than can run away when the battery core gets up to about
Then why are people dying?
(2023 Youtube upload):
"4 Killed In Latest NYC E-Bike Fire As Officials Warn About Dangerous Batteries"
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to about
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to
--What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:
Bill Sloman, Sydney
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
120C is a long-drawn-out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating that can run away when the battery core gets up to about
What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to
This recent article says:
- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to
happen to be true. Sufficiently idiotic owners can ignore the prior warning but that is a different issue.This recent article says:
- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.
The picture at the head of the article is of an E-bike shop that doesn't seem to have been an Australian establishment, and the article repeats your favourite myth about lithium batteries going into thermal runway without prior warning, which doesn't
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to
--What about this recent fire at Sydney airport?:
Bill Sloman, Sydney
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:cost of precious metals extracted shall not be in excess of the newly mined and processed resource. That makes sense to me. And they're hitting the target every time.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18?PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into
flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the
conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented
by the doors automatically locking them inside. You know damn well
this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for
every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to
grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life
batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materialnside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it's
not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an
incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now. And it will
become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now
that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.'
There's not a single renewable power source out there for which recycling/ disposal/ demonstration research is not being conducted. Solar panels will probably add up to more than EV battery packs. Criterion for successful recycling is that the final
https://www.energy.gov/infrastructure/electric-drive-vehicle-battery-recycling-and-2nd-life-apps
Life would be easier for you if you investigate the actual facts of whatever it is causing you so much anxiety.
Whitewashing and cover-ups can only work for so long. In the fullness of time, you'll see the truth emerge......
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showinghttps://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards(2023 Youtube upload):
"EV's Are Exploding In Shocking Numbers"
Lithium batteries are also a risk to airplanes:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lithium+battery+fire+airplane+Lithium batteries may have had something to do with with the disappearance almost 10 years ago of Malaysia Airlines flight 370:
https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/sci.electronics.design/c/QSwrqfKRUr0/m/ljWfOOueAwAJSince nobody has found the wreck yet, this is pure speculation.
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up to
This recent article says:
- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.
Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney
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On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 5:31:50 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:to about 120C is along=drawn out process, and any battery big enough to dangerous comes with a built-in battery monitor that keeps track of the temperature of the battery core and the battery surface, and makes all kind of fuss if the battery is showing
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:50:03 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 3:40:51 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:42:25 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:36 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:51:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 10:38:27 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
Right-wing lunatics like gggg gggg and Flyguy think that lithium batteries can explode spontaneously, without prior warning. In reality the process of increasing self-discharge and self-heating thant can run away when the battery core gets up
This recent article says:
- According to the Daily Mail, there were 180 Lithium battery fires in NSW in 2022.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/lithium-battery-fires-will-cause-a-tragedy/
The Australian Spectator is written for right-wing lunatic by right-wing lunatics. Rather like the UK Daily Mail, but an Australian version.
Do you notice a pattern here? Bozo immediately claims a news source as being "right-wing lunatic" when he doesn't have a rebuttal that a third-grader would buy into.
mandag den 25. september 2023 kl. 21.45.24 UTC+2 skrev Ricky:maintenance and construction because they don't pay gas taxes!
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:49:18 PM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT), Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:33:46?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The much heavier weight of EVs could cause parking garages to collapse. An EV fire in a parking garage is virtually impossible to fight. They are also a threat to lighter ICE cars in a crash. On top of that, EV owners don't pay for road
in front of him.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/transportation/growing-electric-vehicle-sales-bring-concerns-over-safety-hazards
These infernal things are an absolute menace. It's so easy as a
pedestrian to get hit by one passing by because you can't hear it
coming.
If you can't hear an EV coming, it's because you are deaf. It was a couple of years ago, they required EVs to make noise equivalent to an ICE when driving at parking lot speeds. On the road, tires make as much noise as a car engine.
I don't give a damn how much noise they don't make on the highway. The fact is in Yurp they're as silent as the grave - which is where any unfortunate pedestrian who encounters one will end up if he's hit by one.
I just explained to you how new EVs all have to make noise at parking lot speeds. Then there is the fact that you are blind, since you should be looking where you are going. It's not all up to the driver of the car to avoid the pedestrians who walk
I note that aspect is missing from the article yet it's probably one of the most important safety issues regarding EVs
Which is not supported by any facts.
Perhaps not in your neck of the woods, but hereabouts it's certainly the case.
(apart from the fact that they spontaneously combust whilst locking all the doors so no one can get out.)
Again, not supported by the facts.
Bloody well is! I have posted several links to Teslas bursting into flames and cooking their passengers whose egress from the conflagration (and it *is* a conflagration, believe me) was prevented by the doors automatically locking them inside.
The doors don't "lock". My doors have a mechanical handle. I can open them at any time. Please stop lying about this.
You know damn well this lead to the somewhat tasteless joke about a "free cremation for every new owner" going the rounds a while ago.
And we haven't even begun to get to grips with the environmental cost of dealing with end-of-life batteries for these things, which can easily weigh 1400kg a piece!
Not sure which vehicle you are talking about. My model X has a 540 kg battery and it's one of the largest EVs on the road. EV batteries are recycled, first by using them as batteries in stationary applications, then by using the materia lnside
Er, no, sorry. That's the line spouted by the manufacturers but it's not the actual reality. The fact of the matter is that there is an incipient environmental catastrophe unfolding right now.
Yes!!! We are very much aware of climate change caused by the massive emissions of CO2, largely by autos.
road transport about 30% of global CO2 emissions, cars about half of those 30%.
any "crisis" in recycling the batteries. You need to keep in mind that these batteries aren't tossed when they reach 70% capacity. They are simply removed from automotive use and put into stationary applications.And it will become increasingly difficult for people like yourself to ignore now that the first generation of these EVs are reaching end of life.
The "first generation" of EVs sold in the 10's of thousands per year. The Nissan leaf sold 100,000 a year at some point. The Tesla model 3 is the first car to sell in significant volumes and started shipping in 2018. So you are a long way off, as is
Seriously, these things are a menace and need to be taken off the roads and production of any more shut down world-wide.
It's fortunate that you stand alone in this idea, other than a few other kooks.
You and that conspicuous idiot Bill Sloman are the only kooks ignoring the reality of the situation here.
You mark my words: the disposal of EV batteries will be the next BIG ISSUE going forward. MARK MY WORDS....
grounds. But you don't seem to think they are a problem.You are pretty funny. When will this catastrophe happen?
How many tires does your car go through? What is the volume and weight of those tires? What the hell do they do with all of them? God forbid they catch on fire. They never get put out. Even if not on fire, they hold water and create mosquito breeding
Tire manufacturer says EVs use tires about 30% faster that ICE cars.
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