• SIM chips

    From RichD@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 10:58:01 2023
    I recently switched phone providers, replacing the SIM chip.
    Which got me wondering an old wonderment: what's inside?

    It's remarkable that the industry has standardized on a
    single form factor and pin out. But I'm curious, what
    is the separation of functions, between the chip and the
    surrounding device? How to characterize it as a black box,
    what exactly are the signals which flow across the pins?
    Do any of those pins carry analog waveforms?

    I figure this is a reasonable place to ask such a question -

    --
    Rich

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 11:08:30 2023
    torsdag den 14. september 2023 kl. 19.58.07 UTC+2 skrev RichD:
    I recently switched phone providers, replacing the SIM chip.
    Which got me wondering an old wonderment: what's inside?

    It's remarkable that the industry has standardized on a
    single form factor and pin out. But I'm curious, what
    is the separation of functions, between the chip and the
    surrounding device? How to characterize it as a black box,
    what exactly are the signals which flow across the pins?
    Do any of those pins carry analog waveforms?

    I figure this is a reasonable place to ask such a question -

    I wonder if maybe, just maybe, google will have an idea, .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_card

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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to RichD on Sun Sep 17 07:43:24 2023
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    I recently switched phone providers, replacing the SIM chip.
    Which got me wondering an old wonderment: what's inside?

    It's remarkable that the industry has standardized on a
    single form factor and pin out. But I'm curious, what
    is the separation of functions, between the chip and the
    surrounding device? How to characterize it as a black box,
    what exactly are the signals which flow across the pins?
    Do any of those pins carry analog waveforms?

    I figure this is a reasonable place to ask such a question -

    --
    Rich
    You can buy a USB adapter, that comes with software to read the content.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Sun Sep 17 15:44:41 2023
    On 17/09/2023 15:43, Michael Terrell wrote:
    On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
    I recently switched phone providers, replacing the SIM chip.
    Which got me wondering an old wonderment: what's inside?

    It's remarkable that the industry has standardized on a
    single form factor and pin out. But I'm curious, what
    is the separation of functions, between the chip and the
    surrounding device? How to characterize it as a black box,
    what exactly are the signals which flow across the pins?
    Do any of those pins carry analog waveforms?

    I figure this is a reasonable place to ask such a question -

    --
    Rich
    You can buy a USB adapter, that comes with software to read the content.

    Modern mobile phones also offer eSIMs with no physical card at all.

    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Fri Sep 22 13:47:08 2023
    On September 17, Martin Brown wrote:
    It's remarkable that the industry has standardized on a
    single form factor and pin out. But I'm curious, what
    is the separation of functions, between the chip and the
    surrounding device? How to characterize it as a black box,
    what exactly are the signals which flow across the pins?
    Do any of those pins carry analog waveforms?

    You can buy a USB adapter, that comes with software to read the content.

    Modern mobile phones also offer eSIMs with no physical card at all.

    A SIM chip can be replaced by software? I thought they had
    rf detectors inside, TDM, FDM, CDM...

    --
    Rich

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 05:41:23 2023
    fredag den 22. september 2023 kl. 22.47.14 UTC+2 skrev RichD:
    On September 17, Martin Brown wrote:
    It's remarkable that the industry has standardized on a
    single form factor and pin out. But I'm curious, what
    is the separation of functions, between the chip and the
    surrounding device? How to characterize it as a black box,
    what exactly are the signals which flow across the pins?
    Do any of those pins carry analog waveforms?

    You can buy a USB adapter, that comes with software to read the content.

    Modern mobile phones also offer eSIMs with no physical card at all.
    A SIM chip can be replaced by software? I thought they had
    rf detectors inside, TDM, FDM, CDM...

    no, it is only a bit of data to identify you on the network

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  • From RichD@21:1/5 to Lasse Langwadt Christensen on Sat Sep 23 16:34:16 2023
    On September 23, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    You can buy a USB adapter, that comes with software to read the content.

    Modern mobile phones also offer eSIMs with no physical card at all.

    A SIM chip can be replaced by software? I thought they had
    rf detectors inside, TDM, FDM, CDM...

    no, it is only a bit of data to identify you on the network

    I know Qualcomm is a big player. I thought their CDM devices are
    inside the SIM chips.

    What exactly are they selling then?

    --
    Rich

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 05:30:50 2023
    søndag den 24. september 2023 kl. 01.34.21 UTC+2 skrev RichD:
    On September 23, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
    You can buy a USB adapter, that comes with software to read the content.

    Modern mobile phones also offer eSIMs with no physical card at all.

    A SIM chip can be replaced by software? I thought they had
    rf detectors inside, TDM, FDM, CDM...

    no, it is only a bit of data to identify you on the network
    I know Qualcomm is a big player. I thought their CDM devices are
    inside the SIM chips.

    no, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_card


    What exactly are they selling then?

    The main chips that makes up the functionality of a cellphone
    the SIM card is only a bit of encrypted data to identify you on
    the network

    the phone doesn't need a SIM card to make calls, you can call 911/112
    without a SIM card

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