On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it doesn't exist yet.
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it doesn't exist yet.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that?
Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it
doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it
doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
On 9/10/23 15:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it >>> doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.
There will be peace just as soon as the Russians are removed from
Ukraine's territory. That it is currently in progress and is why the
sudden propaganda about the Ukrainian's not wanting peace.
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
On 9/10/23 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long
as they stop taking our taxes without our permission >> to arm them.
And the next time you Brits want us to send our children to die to
protect you from the repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.
In progress? The spring counteroffensive was a bust and October is coming.
Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened. Britain took
a dog in the manger approach as the united Germany threatened to become an economic competitor. France joined in because they were still butt hurt
after trying to put on their big boy pants in 1870 and getting their asses kicked.
Had the US sat out WWII there would be a working EU, the USSR would have
been destroyed before taking over eastern Europe, and Europe would not be flooded with third world exploiters that want the benefits of a society
they did not and could not create at home.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:01:45 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/apr/14/ask-politifact-whats-ukraines-history-trying-join-/
Let me see.... If I promise to defend you and you lobby to join an organization specifically created to oppose me if you get in trouble you better call someone who gives a shit.
Appeasers cause all the bloodshed and wars.
Those who can not or who are unwilling to fight do all the bleeding and dying.
War and crime are part of the human experience. The only way to cope
with them is with a strong,
professional military and a functioning justice system. It is the only
way to assure peace.
No one wants to hug a porcupine. Ever wonder why criminals shoot up
"gun free zones"? It is because they are low risk targets.
Talk softly and carry a big stick.
On 9/10/23 15:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:42:30 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
Supposedly peace was going to break out before Boris visited and nixxed
the deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWJWRn5m6E
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev with
the goof gas gun.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kindWhat propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some time ago, too.
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:46:11 -0700, T wrote:
Appeasers cause all the bloodshed and wars.
Those who can not or who are unwilling to fight do all the bleeding and
dying.
War and crime are part of the human experience. The only way to cope
with them is with a strong,
professional military and a functioning justice system. It is the only
way to assure peace.
No one wants to hug a porcupine. Ever wonder why criminals shoot up
"gun free zones"? It is because they are low risk targets.
Talk softly and carry a big stick.
Case in point Putin did not appease the globalists' desire to expand NATO right up to his doorstep. Unlike Obama's red lines his response was swift.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:56:21 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 15:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell <c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it >>> doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying >> the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
Sound like a bunch of appeasement, which never works.
Warmongers always call the peacemakers "appeasers" for obvious
reasons. Sensible, civilised people seek peaceful solutions.
Warmongers can go to hell where they belong.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:59:56 -0700, T wrote:
On 9/10/23 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long
as they stop taking our taxes without our permission
to arm them.
And the next time you Brits want us to send our children to die to
protect you from the repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.
Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened. Britain took
a dog in the manger approach as the united Germany threatened to become an economic competitor. France joined in because they were still butt hurt after trying to put on their big boy pants in 1870 and getting their asses kicked.
Had the US sat out WWII there would be a working EU, the USSR would have been destroyed before taking over eastern Europe, and Europe would not be flooded with third world exploiters that want the benefits of a society
they did not and could not create at home.
Unfortunately Yanukovych did not meet the globalists' expectation and had
to go.
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.
Glad to see you spelt it right.
In progress? The spring counteroffensive was a bust and October is coming. The rain in Ukraine falls mainly on the plain and turns it into a sea of
mud. The winter comes and turns it into a sea of frozen mud. Maybe next
year in Jerusalem.
The Russians are claiming another Challenger 2. There is enough propaganda
to go around on both sides but I'll apply a variation of Occam's Razor.
Which has more effect Russia falsely claiming another tank kill or the Western media refusing to say the invincible Challenger is all too
vincible? 2 down, 12 to go.
Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened.
What appeasement
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/apr/14/ask-politifact-whats- ukraines-history-trying-join-/
Let me see.... If I promise to defend you and you lobby to join an organization specifically created to oppose me if you get in trouble you better call someone who gives a shit.
Case in point Putin did not appease the globalists' desire to expand NATO right up to his doorstep. Unlike Obama's red lines his response was swift.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:28:26 -0700, T wrote:
There will be peace just as soon as the Russians are removed from
Ukraine's territory. That it is currently in progress and is why the
sudden propaganda about the Ukrainian's not wanting peace.
In progress? The spring counteroffensive was a bust and October is coming. The rain in Ukraine falls mainly on the plain and turns it into a sea of
mud. The winter comes and turns it into a sea of frozen mud. Maybe next
year in Jerusalem.
The Russians are claiming another Challenger 2. There is enough propaganda
to go around on both sides but I'll apply a variation of Occam's Razor.
Which has more effect Russia falsely claiming another tank kill or the Western media refusing to say the invincible Challenger is all too
vincible? 2 down, 12 to go.
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it doesn't exist yet.
Sensible, civilised people seek peaceful solutions.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:59:56 -0700, T wrote:
On 9/10/23 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long
as they stop taking our taxes without our permission
to arm them.
And the next time you Brits want us to send our children to die to
protect you from the repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.
Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened. Britain took
a dog in the manger approach as the united Germany threatened to become an economic competitor. France joined in because they were still butt hurt
after trying to put on their big boy pants in 1870 and getting their asses kicked.
Had the US sat out WWII
there would be a working EU, the USSR would have
been destroyed before taking over eastern Europe, and Europe would not be flooded with third world exploiters that want the benefits of a society
they did not and could not create at home.
If Nuland and her pals had stayed out of Ukraine we would not be having
this discussion. Nuland is the quintessential swamp creature and served
under Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden. At least Trump caused her to take a brief vacation from the swamp.
Her husband, Kagan, has been beating the neoconservative drum since the Reagan era.
Peaceniks are scared Russia would use the nuclear option. Russia knows
that if they did, NATO would be in Moscow within a week.
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war
on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany declaring
war on them.
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on
the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:01:45 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it >>> doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long as they stop taking
our taxes without our permission to arm them.
We need to either pull out and let it finish quickly with less bloodshed
on both sides, or go for an all out big fucking explosion and destroy something.
What we have at the moment is akin to you seeing two people fighting in
the street, and you handing one of them a sharp stick every so often.
Either leave them be, or give one a gun, or beat the living daylights
out of one.
On 9/10/23 14:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that?
Have you been following the endless thread about
the Ukrainians not wanting peace? It started
out with Russian propaganda.
Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
Kissinger is a blow hard. And has screwed up a
lot of things.
There will be peace just as soon as the Russians are
removed from Ukraine's territory. That it is currently
in progress and is why the sudden propaganda about the
Ukrainian's not wanting peace.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 04:36:33 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.
Glad to see you spelt it right.
It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch
"Weil der Luftraum über der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen üblich
im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren."
Der Ukraine und Kiew.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-live
The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr Selenskyj
The W substitution is obvious but I don't know about the terminal 'j'.
On 11/09/2023 03:03, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:28:26 -0700, T wrote:
There will be peace just as soon as the Russians are removed from
Ukraine's territory. That it is currently in progress and is why the
sudden propaganda about the Ukrainian's not wanting peace.
In progress? The spring counteroffensive was a bust and October is
coming.
The rain in Ukraine falls mainly on the plain and turns it into a sea of
mud. The winter comes and turns it into a sea of frozen mud. Maybe next
year in Jerusalem.
The Russians are claiming another Challenger 2. There is enough
propaganda
to go around on both sides but I'll apply a variation of Occam's Razor.
Which has more effect Russia falsely claiming another tank kill or the
Western media refusing to say the invincible Challenger is all too
vincible? 2 down, 12 to go.
There is nothing magic about a challenger 2
The war is progressing. Ukraine is gaining ground. Russia are losing
materiel and manpower.
Russian propagandists of all flavours are claiming that Russia must end
up with something for its pain.
Anyone who has followed the war closely at all levels knows that nothing Russia says or promises is worth jack shit.
Anyone who has dealt with a psycopath knows that they do not follow reasonable standards of behaviour. As soon as you give an inch, they
will demand the whole nine yards.
Russia is a psycopath. There can be no 'negotiated peace'.. Only
complete defeat at a military level and the threat of invasion.
Peaceniks are scared Russia would use the nuclear option. Russia knows
that if they did, NATO would be in Moscow within a week.
On 9/10/23 19:03, rbowman wrote:
In progress? The spring counteroffensive was a bust and October is
coming.
The "Bust" is propaganda. the Ukrainians are
slowly making progress. It is just not the
instant blitzkrieg some were hoping for.
The Russians are getting their asses handed
to them.
And the "mud" will freeze. And I bet
when still muddy, the Ukrainians will
use it to their advantage. And the
Russians will cope by sending more of
their children into the meat grinder
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
On 10/09/2023 22:43, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kind
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
What propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
They already gave up Crimea the last time Russia invaded. That is more
than enough. They can't keep giving up land each time Russia invades -
it becomes a no-loss scenario for Russia then.
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:59:56 -0700, T wrote:
On 9/10/23 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long
as they stop taking our taxes without our permission
to arm them.
And the next time you Brits want us to send our children to die to
protect you from the repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.
Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened. Britain
took
a dog in the manger approach as the united Germany threatened to
become an
economic competitor. France joined in because they were still butt hurt
after trying to put on their big boy pants in 1870 and getting their
asses
kicked.
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on
the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 04:36:33 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.
Glad to see you spelt it right.
It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch
"Weil der Luftraum ber der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen blich
im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren."
Der Ukraine und Kiew.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-live
The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr Selenskyj
The W substitution is obvious but I don't know about the terminal 'j'.
"Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:42:30 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
Supposedly peace was going to break out before Boris visited and nixxed
the deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWJWRn5m6E
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev with
the goof gas gun.
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >illegally annexed in 2014.
On 11/09/2023 14:11, Custos Custodum wrote:
"Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
Zelenskyi?
Or very anglicised, "Zelenskiey".
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business.
Let them slug it out with Russia on their own.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
On 11 Sep 2023 02:46:48 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:42:30 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 22:46:41 +0100, Colin Bignell
<c...@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and >>> it doesn't exist yet.
Surely they know what's planned to go in it? The BBC is already saying
the Ukraine doesn't like what's in it - to do with not sanctioning
Russia anymore.
Supposedly peace was going to break out before Boris visited and nixxed >the deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWJWRn5m6E
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev with >the goof gas gun.Curious that Boris met with Zelensky *after* he'd been removed as PM.
He was *supposed* to be an ordinary back bencher again, representing
the interests of his constituents. What was the purpose of that visit?
What did they discuss? We were never told.
On 11/09/2023 14:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
It is *entirely* our business. Anyone who says it is not is either
lying on behalf of the Kremlin or is a bigger fool than anyone has realised.
And they are slugging it out, but we are supplying the boxing gloves and
the doc Martens
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:40:50?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business.
It might not be any of yours, right now, but letting Putin get away with slicing bits of the Ukraine might encourage him to move on to nearer neighbours of yours, and fill up your back yard with even more irritating refugees.
Let them slug it out with Russia on their own.
Always an easy choice, until you find that you are slugging it out with them on your own because they've conquered everybody else.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:39:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/09/2023 14:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
It is *entirely* our business. Anyone who says it is not is either
lying on behalf of the Kremlin or is a bigger fool than anyone has realised.
Or perhaps knows better than you, as in the present matter.
And they are slugging it out, but we are supplying the boxing gloves and
the doc Martens
I don't want those foreign conflicts to cause Western taxpayers a
single penny piece. Let the fuckers go at it for all I care.
On 11/9/2023 4:51 pm, rbowman wrote:live
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 04:36:33 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.
Glad to see you spelt it right.
It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch
"Weil der Luftraum über der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen
üblich im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren."
Der Ukraine und Kiew.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-
The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr
Selenskyj
The W substitution is obvious but I don't know about the terminal 'j'.
Depends on how you pronounce the J. Think of
the Dutch name "Jos" as the
perfect example.
On 10/09/2023 22:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:There will be no peace treaty. Only Russia wants one, because it is
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
being destroyed.
It's just one of the problems faced when romanising other alphabets. In Cyrillic, Zelensky's name ends in two almost identical vowels. The
second has an accent to indicate that it is shorter than the first. In English, "Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on
the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:11:01 +0100, Custos Custodum wrote:
It's just one of the problems faced when romanising other alphabets. In
Cyrillic, Zelensky's name ends in two almost identical vowels. The
second has an accent to indicate that it is shorter than the first. In
English, "Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
I've seen the Zelenskyy but I think the single 'y' is more common. RT uses >Zelensky (and Kiev) unless they're trying to piss him off.
On 11/9/2023 8:01 am, Bob F wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:Ukraine, and the rest of the world, will never trust Russia ever again.
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
It's a possibility. However, in RP English the letter "i" is rarely if
ever pronounced as "ee". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory illegally annexed in 2014.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
On 11/09/2023 14:40, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
It is *entirely* our business. Anyone who says it is not is either
lying on behalf of the Kremlin or is a bigger fool than anyone has realised.
And they are slugging it out, but we are supplying the boxing gloves and
the doc Martens
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:07:27 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 11/9/2023 4:51 pm, rbowman wrote:live
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 04:36:33 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the further adventures of Boris and Natashya they headed to Kiev
with the goof gas gun.
Glad to see you spelt it right.
It is Kiev and the Ukraine. Oder auf Deutsch
"Weil der Luftraum ber der Ukraine nach wie vor gesperrt ist, war
Baerbock in der Nacht wie bei hochrangigen Politikerinnenbesuchen
blich im Sonderzug von Polen aus in die Hauptstadt Kiew gefahren."
Der Ukraine und Kiew.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-russland-newsblog-
The Germans do get creative with the comedians name: Wolodymyr
Selenskyj
The W substitution is obvious but I don't know about the terminal 'j'.
Depends on how you pronounce the J. Think of
the Dutch name "Jos" as the
perfect example.
Jah... Y is infrequent in German and in a word like 'typisch' is more of
a 'u' sound. For loan words like Handy (cellphone)
it's pronounced as in English. I've no idea how 'yj' geets pronounced. Eeeee-Yah?
I don't want those foreign conflicts to cause Western taxpayers a
single penny piece. Let the fuckers go at it for all I care.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Indeed. All we're doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides. If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don't give
one a sharp stick to even the odds. You either beat the shit out of one
of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it. Making things even causes bloodshed.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Indeed. All we're doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides. If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don't give
one a sharp stick to even the odds. You either beat the shit out of
one of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it. Making things even
causes bloodshed.
No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war
on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany declaring
war on them.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
On 9/11/23 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:their big boy pants in 1870 and getting their asses kicked.
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 15:59:56 -0700, T wrote:
On 9/10/23 15:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long
as they stop taking our taxes without our permission
to arm them.
And the next time you Brits want us to send our children to die to
protect you from the repercussions of some stupid thing you pull,
I remember your words.
Had the US sat out WWI arguably WWII would not have happened. Britain took a dog in the manger approach as the united Germany threatened to become an economic competitor. France joined in because they were still butt hurt after trying to put on
R Bowman is geopolitically and historically beyond ignorant.
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
Oh give me a break.
Because someone disagrees with you, does not make them ignorant.
But is does make those that do that particular form of name calling, closed minded and intolerant.
Open discussions and information is necessary for a republic to survive. It is the antithesis of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
I've no idea how 'yj' geets pronounced. Eeeee-Yah?
What you want is pure short sighted stupid selfishness.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:49:10 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 11/9/2023 8:01 am, Bob F wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:Ukraine, and the rest of the world, will never trust Russia ever again.
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and
it doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
The BRICS seem to be getting along fine.
The "Europeans" can stop virtue signaling and
start matching the US cent by cent in their
support of Ukraine.
On 12/09/2023 07:34, T wrote:
The "Europeans" can stop virtue signaling and
start matching the US cent by cent in their
support of Ukraine.
What and extend the bloodshed even more?
Why not reduce the US support to zero and the European support to zero .
The war would be over lickity split.
Some cabal/one wants to keep the war going.
Arms manufacturers?
On 12/09/2023 07:34, T wrote:
The "Europeans" can stop virtue signaling and start matching the US cent by cent in their support of Ukraine.
What and extend the bloodshed even more?
Why not reduce the US support to zero and the European support to zero.
The war would be over lickity split.
Some cabal/one wants to keep the war going. Arms manufacturers?
On 12/09/2023 07:34, T wrote:
The "Europeans" can stop virtue signaling and
start matching the US cent by cent in their
support of Ukraine.
What and extend the bloodshed even more?
Why not reduce the US support to zero and the European support to zero .
The war would be over lickity split.
Some cabal/one wants to keep the war going.
Arms manufacturers?
On 10/09/2023 22:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:There will be no peace treaty. Only Russia wants one, because it is
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it
doesn't exist yet.
being destroyed.
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war on
the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
All to true. FDR moved heaven and hell to make that happen. My brother was quite a bit older than I and was down at the USMC recruiting center bright and early on 8 December. I was brought up to shun all things Japanese.
Since we were of German heritage Germany got a pass. It was easier to sell
a war on yellow people in a country where the largest ethnic group is
German. They sure as hell couldn't intern Germans.
Ukraine, and the rest of the world, will never trust Russia ever again.
The BRICS seem to be getting along fine.
Jah... Y is infrequent in German and in a word like 'typisch' is more of
a 'u' sound. For loan words like Handy (cellphone) it's pronounced as in English. I've no idea how 'yj' geets pronounced. Eeeee-Yah?
Just about every Pole in the US... :) Not that we speak anything
resembling RP.
I've seen the Zelenskyy but I think the single 'y' is more common. RT uses Zelensky (and Kiev) unless they're trying to piss him off.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:22:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/09/2023 22:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:There will be no peace treaty. Only Russia wants one, because it is
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it >> doesn't exist yet.
being destroyed.
Look where the front line is arsehole.
On 9/11/23 04:36, soup wrote:
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared war
on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany
declaring war on them.
We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was
U-Boating supplies we were sending to Briton.
The bloodshed would not stop.
Oh and remind me to repeat what you said
when your country get into trouble.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:03:45?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:take back the eastern seaboard America on the same basis. It's a dubious claim.
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >> > illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Both Russia and the Ukraine used to be part of the USSR. When that fell apart they both became independent countries. Putin is trying to pretend that Russian can take back areas that used to be part of the pre-1917 Russian Empire. Britain might try to
On 12/09/2023 08:06, T wrote:
The bloodshed would not stop.
True it would not stop immediately but it would cease a LOT quicker
than this endless cycle of
supply Ukranians with tanks, munitions, weapon systems and let lots of >Ukranians(and Russians) die. After all we can supply more T, M ,WS and
let more Ukranians(and Russians) die
Oh and remind me to repeat what you said
when your country get into trouble.
We have been invaded by a foreign power more times than enough with
MANY many people killed or displaced.
Where was any country, 1500 miles away, when the highlands were being >cleared?
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:00:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia doesn't want all of it. They only want to annexe some Eastern
areas of the shit-hole where ethnic Russians were being killed by
Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the clown that runs the country was doing
nothing to stop them. Why are we supporting neo-Nazis?
On 12/09/2023 06:04, T wrote:
On 9/11/23 04:36, soup wrote:
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared
war on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany
declaring war on them.
We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was
U-Boating supplies we were sending to Briton.
Selling to Britain. It was a commercial transaction. Even lease lend
supplies were supposed to be returned at a latter date, or replaced if destroyed.
Why are we supporting neo-Nazis?
On 9/12/23 03:09, soup wrote:
On 12/09/2023 08:06, T wrote:
The bloodshed would not stop.
True it would not stop immediately but it would cease a LOT quicker
than this endless cycle of
supply Ukranians with tanks, munitions, weapon systems and let lots of Ukranians(and Russians) die. After all we can supply more T, M ,WS and let more Ukranians(and Russians) die
Oh and remind me to repeat what you said
when your country get into trouble.
We have been invaded by a foreign power more times than enough withThe Russians are losing. The war is slowly grinding
MANY many people killed or displaced.
Where was any country, 1500 miles away, when the highlands were being cleared?
to its end. It is not endless.
And the bloodshed, although atrocious, will be
nothing like the 200 million murdered in the
Soviet terror famine of Ukraine. (The one
covered up by American Pravda.)
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
On 12/09/2023 06:04, T wrote:
On 9/11/23 04:36, soup wrote:
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared
war on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany
declaring war on them.
We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was
U-Boating supplies we were sending to Briton.
Selling to Britain. It was a commercial transaction. Even lease lend
supplies were supposed to be returned at a latter date, or replaced if destroyed.
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
On 9/12/23 01:53, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 12/09/2023 06:04, T wrote:
On 9/11/23 04:36, soup wrote:
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared
war on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany
declaring war on them.
We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was
U-Boating supplies we were sending to Briton.
Selling to Britain. It was a commercial transaction. Even lease lend
supplies were supposed to be returned at a latter date, or replaced if
destroyed.
And why did we not sell to Japan and Germany? Hmmm
We lost a lot of lives (merchant marines) taking
undeclared sides. We were suppose to be
neutral, but under the table, we were not.
Don't get me wrong, I believe we did the
right thing.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual country.
On 12/09/2023 09:53, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 12/09/2023 06:04, T wrote:
On 9/11/23 04:36, soup wrote:
On 11/09/2023 12:13, Colin Bignell wrote:We were far from neutral, which is why Germany was U-Boating supplies
On 11/09/2023 03:36, rbowman wrote:
Had the US sat out WWII
That might have been difficult to do, given that Germany declared
war on the USA after their allies, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbour.
That is quite often forgotten, the USA did not join WWII out of 'the
goodness of their hearts', they were forced to join by Germany
declaring war on them.
we were sending to Briton.
Selling to Britain. It was a commercial transaction. Even lease lend
supplies were supposed to be returned at a latter date, or replaced if
destroyed.
The final installment paying off lend-lease was made in 2006.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:52:10 -0700, T wrote:
Even Gorbachev said that Putin had undone Gorbachev's life's work.
Would you pay much attention to a US president whose failed policies led
to the dissolution of the US? Gorbachev's life's work was a disaster.
Prior to 2014
the Ukraine was the poorest and most corrupt nation in Europe by all accounts.
Even Gorbachev said that Putin had undone Gorbachev's life's work.
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 14:23:47 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 9/10/23 13:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Who do you think? Why is it that this kindWhat propaganda is that? Even Henry Kissinger said there'd have to be
of propaganda is now being pushed? And
why are you assisting the propaganda?
some Ukraine territory given up for a peace deal and he said it some
time ago, too.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >country.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:take back the eastern seaboard America on the same basis. It's a dubious claim.
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:03:45?AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> > On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >> >Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >> > Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Both Russia and the Ukraine used to be part of the USSR. When that fell apart they both became independent countries. Putin is trying to pretend that Russian can take back areas that used to be part of the pre-1917 Russian Empire. Britain might try to
What's dubious about it? Israel was created in 1948 out of land seized
from Palestine and everyone recognises Israel as a legitimate state!
(all the important countries, anyway).
On 12/09/2023 13:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:00:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia doesn't want all of it. They only want to annexe some Eastern
areas of the shit-hole where ethnic Russians were being killed by
Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the clown that runs the country was doing
nothing to stop them. Why are we supporting neo-Nazis?
Russia wants all of it. Especially the eastern bits where they killed
their own citizens to fake an excuse to take it, because it has all the
oil coal and gas. And they want all the grain, and they want the black
sea ports as well.
Anyone who actually believes there was 'ethnic conflict' is a moron.
I cannot understanbd people who dont trust their own government actually trusting a single thing the Russian state says.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual country.
The vast majority, 96%, were lost after you joined the war. At least
some of the 344 who died before 1942 were probably serving on British
ships.
On 12/09/2023 08:06, T wrote:
The bloodshed would not stop.
True it would not stop immediately but it would cease a LOT quicker
than this endless cycle of
supply Ukranians with tanks, munitions, weapon systems and let lots of >Ukranians(and Russians) die. After all we can supply more T, M ,WS and
let more Ukranians(and Russians) die
Oh and remind me to repeat what you said
when your country get into trouble.
We have been invaded by a foreign power more times than enough with
MANY many people killed or displaced.
Where was any country, 1500 miles away, when the highlands were being
cleared?
On 12 Sep 2023 23:23:40 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any
of Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like >>their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>country.
Only as far as current borders are concerned. Back in the Middle Ages,
when Moscow was still just a swamp, Kyiv was the capital of a much
larger area, "Kyivan Rus". Maybe we should be thinking of Ukraine
regaining its former territories.
The Russian Empire no longer exists. It collapsed and disbanded in 1991. Russia is trying to *recreate* the Russian Empire (aka Soviet Union or
USSR)
Was WWI ever paid off?
Would you pay much attention to a US president whose failed policies led
to the dissolution of the US? Gorbachev's life's work was a disaster.
On 9/12/23 16:32, Colin Bignell wrote:
The vast majority, 96%, were lost after you joined the war. At least
some of the 344 who died before 1942 were probably serving on British
ships.
They were on American Ships.
Here is a run down:
http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html
And it does support your numbers
It's debated whether Oleg was related to Rurik but they both were
Varangians from Sweden. Let's give the whole mess to Sweden. They deserve
it.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual country.
The Russian Empire no longer exists. It collapsed and disbanded in 1991.
Russia is trying to *recreate* the Russian Empire (aka Soviet Union or
USSR)
The Russian Empire collapsed in 1917. If you don't know the difference between that and the CCCP perhaps you should play elsewhere.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual country.
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
On 13/09/2023 11:07, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
In the case of Ukraine they had a referendum and they decided they
wanted to be independent. A sort of Ukrainian version of Brexit. Russia agreed, and that was that.
Why is happening now is precisely equivalent to the EU sending tanks
into southern Ireland to take over Northern Ireland, then Scotland and finally England.
We all know they would like to, but fortunately no one trusts them with an army.
SteveW <st...@walker-family.me.uk> writes:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.And, in fact, over time, the territory currently part of
Ukraine has been part of Greece, Ottoman empire et alia. The Russians
took it by force in the days of the German-born Catherine via
her toady Potemkin (after she took Russia in a coup).
The eponymous village was in Ukraine.
Russia divested itself of Ukraine when the USSR disintegrated.
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
I believe that no-one was executed in the Revolutionary War. Probably
no-one was tortured either. Nor were cities leveled by artillery.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
I believe that no-one was executed in the Revolutionary War.
Probably no-one was tortured either.
Nor were cities leveled by artillery.
I believe that no-one was executed in the Revolutionary War.
Probably no-one was tortured either.
Nathan Hale, John Andre... I'm sure there were others.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 07:49:02 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
I believe that no-one was executed in the Revolutionary War.
Nathan Hale, John Andre... I'm sure there were others.
Probably no-one was tortured either.
Yeah, it was a kinder, gentler time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >Prisoners_of_war_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War
Nor were cities leveled by artillery.
Not from lack of trying. When the British batteries opened fire with
heated shot during the siege of Charleston they weren't too concerned with >civilian deaths and property damage. At least they weren't flinging
corpses with trebuchets.
Between technological advances and the changes in warfare it has become >harsher. It's difficult to establish the point where civilians became fair >game. When Harris and Lindemann decided it was safer to bomb civilian
housing to reduce the workforce rather than go after the heavily protected >factories it was a step forward. Truman turned it into a fine art.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like >>>> their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>>> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>> territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like >>>>> their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an
actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
Who would want to live under Putin, who considers his population as an
easy source of cannon fodder to support his ego, and not much else?
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like >>>> their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>>> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:40:57 +1000, Xeno wrote:
The Russian Empire no longer exists. It collapsed and disbanded in 1991.
Russia is trying to *recreate* the Russian Empire (aka Soviet Union or
USSR)
The Russian Empire collapsed in 1917. If you don't know the difference between that and the CCCP perhaps you should play elsewhere.
On 13/09/2023 02:48, T wrote:
On 9/12/23 16:32, Colin Bignell wrote:
The vast majority, 96%, were lost after you joined the war. At least
some of the 344 who died before 1942 were probably serving on British
ships.
They were on American Ships.
I was under the impression that, until the USA entered the war, Congress required that supplies for the allies should travel only on allied
ships. However, that is from memory and might only have applied to
Lease-Lend supplies, rather than purely commercial transactions.
Here is a run down:
http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html
And it does support your numbers
I would be interested to know how 103 American ships could be attacked without it being taken as an act of war against the USA. Were they, for example, ignoring government advice not to enter a war zone?
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like >>>> their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>>> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
On 13/09/2023 19:41, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>> territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would >>>>>> like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an
actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
Who would want to live under Putin, who considers his population as an
easy source of cannon fodder to support his ego, and not much else?
He commands a great deal of support. Almost on par as Trump.
Who would want to live under Trump. As a general rule the world carries
on spinning on its axis independent of who is in charge. Would Russia
change if it has another leader?
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
<xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it
back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)
in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:03:58 -0700, T wrote:
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something,
sometime in your life.
-- Winston Churchill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Tk9QxvZHo
Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the American Left was protecting
the "darlings of socialist international". It took invading Poland and attacking Perl Harbor to get the Left's attention and let both USA and
Briton start arming for war.
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something,
sometime in your life.
-- Winston Churchill
The America First Committee cut across many lines but it was not
protecting the socialist international. The CPUSA took their marching
orders from Moscow; they were anti-interventionist when Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect and suffered severe whiplash when Germany started Operation Barbarossa and they had to do a 180.
We were trying to support Briton clandestinely
Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the
both USA and Briton start arming for war.
So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,
Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee
The America First Committee cut across many lines but it was not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Tk9QxvZHo
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We were trying to support Briton clandestinely
Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the
both USA and Briton start arming for war.
So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,
Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.
I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and punished
for murdering our prisoners?
On 9/13/23 22:51, rbowman wrote:
The America First Committee cut across many lines but it was not protecting the socialist international. The CPUSA took their marching orders from Moscow; they were anti-interventionist when Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect and suffered severe whiplash when Germany started Operation Barbarossa and they had to do a 180.I was commenting on there being two different
reasons. One was Leftists in love with Leftists.
This was my remark about the Left Wing Nazis
being the darlings of Socialist International.
The Left battled tooth and nail to stop rearmament.
What? A fellow Marxist being war mongers? NEVER!
And the Soviets worked with the Nazis to conquer Poland. The Soviets (also Leftist Marxists) got a taste of their own medicine with Barbarossa.
What? A fellow Leftist break a treaty! NEVER!
And there were also the isolationists that wanted to
just stay out of it. They also delayed rearmament.
Roosevelt did a lot of clandestine stuff to try
to get around both of them.
Poland, Perl Harbor, Barbarossa tipped the scales.
On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We were trying to support Briton clandestinely
Keep in mind that just like in Britain, the both USA and Britain start arming for war.
So, we had to support Britain clandestinely,
Interesting how Britain murdered our prisoners.
I have to know, who the f*** is this Britain of which you speak? Is it one specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and punished for murdering our prisoners?
It is our revolutionary war. There is lots of documentation on it. Try Google and Youtube
On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We were trying to support Briton clandestinely
Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the
both USA and Briton start arming for war.
So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,
Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.
I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one
specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and
punished
for murdering our prisoners?
It is our revolutionary war. There is lots of
documentation on it. Try Google and Youtube
On 14/09/2023 08:57, T wrote:
On 9/14/23 00:32, brandon wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 19:19:23 -0700, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
We were trying to support Briton clandestinely
Keep in mind that just like in Briton, the
both USA and Briton start arming for war.
So, we had to support Briton clandestinely,
Interesting how Briton murdered our prisoners.
I have to know, who the f*** is this Briton of which you speak? Is it one >>> specific Briton, or is it all of them, or what? Was he ever caught and
punished
for murdering our prisoners?
It is our revolutionary war. There is lots of
documentation on it. Try Google and Youtube
I think he was more alluding to the fact that you misspell Britain as Briton
On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
<xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it
back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)
Donbas.
in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.
Well that's as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don't want your house burnt down... I don't suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.
So I wouldn't put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in >occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.
On 13/09/2023 19:55, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:41, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>>> territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would >>>>>>> like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an >>>>>>> actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
Who would want to live under Putin, who considers his population as an
easy source of cannon fodder to support his ego, and not much else?
He commands a great deal of support. Almost on par as Trump.
Are you really that simple?
No one knows how much support he really commands, because the elections
are rigged, and to publicly voice dissent is to disappear or meet with a >fatal accident...
Who would want to live under Trump. As a general rule the world carries
on spinning on its axis independent of who is in charge. Would Russia
change if it has another leader?
I think Id prefer Trump to Biden and his faceless bureaucrats.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:38:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
<xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it
back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)
Donbas.
in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.
Well that's as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don't want your house burnt down... I don't suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.
So I wouldn't put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in
occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.
That's possible but neither of us are there to talk to those who
changed. It's also possible they're disgusted with the Russians and
anything Russian, and that's the way the news story portrayed it. Or
they want to *show* solidarity with other Ukrainians with whom they
actually feel solidarity, sort of like putting up a yard sign for an
election candidate.
Yes, in recaptured areas, dealing with a Russian army that has been
vicious to civilians, it would be best to switch back to Russian. When
the war is over, we may learn what language is spoken.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:34:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:55, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:41, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>>>> territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would >>>>>>>> like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an >>>>>>>> actual
country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
Who would want to live under Putin, who considers his population as an >>>> easy source of cannon fodder to support his ego, and not much else?
He commands a great deal of support. Almost on par as Trump.
Are you really that simple?
No one knows how much support he really commands, because the elections
are rigged, and to publicly voice dissent is to disappear or meet with a
fatal accident...
Who would want to live under Trump. As a general rule the world carries
on spinning on its axis independent of who is in charge. Would Russia
change if it has another leader?
I think Id prefer Trump to Biden and his faceless bureaucrats.
What makes trump's bureaucrats less faceless than Biden's?
Do you live in the USA?
Regardless, it will be hard to take you seriously after this line.
On 14/09/2023 14:46, micky wrote:whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:38:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
<xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it
back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)
Donbas.
in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.
Well that's as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don't want your house burnt down... I don't suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.
So I wouldn't put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in >> occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.
That's possible but neither of us are there to talk to those who
changed. It's also possible they're disgusted with the Russians and anything Russian, and that's the way the news story portrayed it. Or
they want to *show* solidarity with other Ukrainians with whom they actually feel solidarity, sort of like putting up a yard sign for an election candidate.
Yes, in recaptured areas, dealing with a Russian army that has been vicious to civilians, it would be best to switch back to Russian. WhenI think as with many things political, there are those who feel strongly
the war is over, we may learn what language is spoken.
one way, those that feel strongly another way and those, that like a
French Café proprietor I spoke to pre brexit, say 'we put in the Left.
More taxes. We put in the right,. More taxes.'
However Russia has not, by most accounts, being going out of its way to
win hearts and minds in the occupied territory. The hugs and tears from 'liberated' residents in Kherson and Luhansk did not look staged, to me.
--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be,
On 14/09/2023 14:50, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:34:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:55, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/09/2023 19:41, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
"there are two sorts of people in this world: Those that think the government is there to help, and those that think"
I personally think the less government there is, the better a place it is to live.
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
They can spend it making immigrants comfy.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:16:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/09/2023 14:11, Custos Custodum wrote:
"Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
Zelenskyi?
It's a possibility. However, in RP English the letter "i" is rarely if
ever pronounced as "ee". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)
--Jasen.
On 2023-09-11, Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:16:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/09/2023 14:11, Custos Custodum wrote:
"Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
Zelenskyi?
It's a possibility. However, in RP English the letter "i" is rarely if ever pronounced as "ee". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)
"ski"
English doesn't have pronunciation rules, none that can be relied upon anyway.
On 9/14/23 05:32, soup wrote:
I think he was more alluding to the fact that you misspell Britain
as
Briton
I always goof those two up.
:-(
The Britons moved to France when the Anglo-Saxons showed up :) And Wales,
of course. If you see an unpronounceable word with too many consonants
you're dealing with a Briton.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 01:45:00 -0700, T wrote:
On 9/14/23 05:32, soup wrote:
I think he was more alluding to the fact that you misspell Britain as Briton
I always goof those two up.
:-(
The Britons moved to France when the Anglo-Saxons showed up :)
And Wales, of course. If you see an unpronounceable word with too many consonants you're dealing with a Briton.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 07:41:20 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts ><usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
English doen't have pronunciation rules, none that can be relkiea upon >>anyway.
It's the spelling that is the problem, not the pronunciation.
On 2023-09-11, Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:16:40 +0100, The Natural Philosopher >><tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/09/2023 14:11, Custos Custodum wrote:
"Zelenskyy" isn't technically correct but there isn't really
any other way to show it. I'm not sure that German has managed any
better.
Zelenskyi?
It's a possibility. However, in RP English the letter "i" is rarely if
ever pronounced as "ee". (Bracing myself for a flood of
counterexamples.)
"ski"
English doen't have pronunciation rules, none that can be relkiea upon >anyway.
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/ez-pour-hi-flo-replacement-spout
This is only meant for repairing cans that have a vent, wink wink.
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
I haven't bought a new can recently but there is a new regulation about a flame retarder that came about when some retard tried to pour gasoline on
a campfire. The attempts to circumvent Darwinian selection aren't going
to end well.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Some of the safety measures in the early days of OSHA were
counterproductive. Most people had a pretty good idea that you shouldn't stick your head in a hydraulic press. Poorly designed safety guards meant
you had more pinch points than before that weren't so obvious.
I don't know the correct term but punch presses were equipped with 'possum harnesses' to make sure your hands weren't in the way. If your timing was
off it snatched your hands back none too gently.
I did know a machinist that was messing a few fingers. He had been working
on a die and knew the ram was slowly drifting down. He was so focused on
what he was doing he ignored the impending doom.
I never bothered.
Did you take it out of the Amazon box first?
Considering two (out of thirteen) of the Amazon reviews complained about
the sound and one said a speaker was DOA I'd lean toward the problem not being with micky's ears.
I once called a policeman a wanker, he didn't bat an eyelid.
Just don't call one a lesbian.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12392871/Autistic-girl-16-arrested-dragged-screaming-home-Leeds-12-officers-saying-female-cop-looked-like-lesbian-nana.html
On 11/9/2023 8:45 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023 23:01:45 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and it >>>> doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
They can fight to the end for all I care, as long as they stop taking
our taxes without our permission to arm them.
We need to either pull out and let it finish quickly with less bloodshed
Your father should have done that 9 months before you were born.
on both sides, or go for an all out big fucking explosion and destroy
something.
What we have at the moment is akin to you seeing two people fighting in
the street, and you handing one of them a sharp stick every so often.
Either leave them be, or give one a gun, or beat the living daylights
out of one.
On 12/9/2023 11:00 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia agreed to the creation of and the boundaries for Ukraine when the
USSR collapsed in on itself. Russia cannot be trusted to uphold its part
in any deal it makes with other countries.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:12:15 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 12/9/2023 11:00 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia agreed to the creation of and the boundaries for Ukraine when the USSR collapsed in on itself. Russia cannot be trusted to uphold its part in any deal it makes with other countries.
We stole the Ukraine from them and they're taking it back.
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to Russia?
On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Indeed. All we're doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides. If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don't give
one a sharp stick to even the odds. You either beat the shit out of one
of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it. Making things even causes
bloodshed.
No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.
On 9/11/2023 9:13 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Indeed. All we're doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides. If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don't give
one a sharp stick to even the odds. You either beat the shit out of
one of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it. Making things even
causes bloodshed.
No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.
If you don't want the succession of new invasions to continue.
On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Indeed. All we're doing is prolonging it and costing lives on both
sides. If you meet two people fighting in the street, you don't give
one a sharp stick to even the odds. You either beat the shit out of one
of them, give one a gun, or stay out of it. Making things even causes
bloodshed.
No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:16:29 +0100, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/11/2023 9:13 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 12/9/2023 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:40:41 +0100, Cursitor Doom <c...@notformail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
No, but you do arm the weaponless one to make it a fair fight.
If you don't want the succession of new invasions to continue.
Ukraine has resources Putin wants, why do you think he'd then attack us?
On 12/09/2023 01:04, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:49:10 +1000, Xeno wrote:
On 11/9/2023 8:01 am, Bob F wrote:
On 9/10/2023 2:46 PM, Colin Bignell wrote:Ukraine, and the rest of the world, will never trust Russia ever again.
On 10/09/2023 21:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
You would need to read the terms of the peace treaty to know that and >>>>> it doesn't exist yet.
But then, when Ukraine turned over their nuclear weapons, they were
promised that Russia would defend them.
So, how good will the next treaty with Russia be?
The BRICS seem to be getting along fine.
'Seem' and 'getting along' do not equal 'trust'
On 12/09/2023 13:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:00:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes territory >>>> illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia doesn't want all of it. They only want to annexe some Eastern
areas of the shit-hole where ethnic Russians were being killed by
Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the clown that runs the country was doing
nothing to stop them. Why are we supporting neo-Nazis?
Russia wants all of it. Especially the eastern bits where they killed
their own citizens to fake an excuse to take it, because it has all the
oil coal and gas. And they want all the grain, and they want the black
sea ports as well.
Anyone who actually believes there was 'ethnic conflict' is a moron.
I cannot understanbd people who dont trust their own government actually trusting a single thing the Russian state says.
On 13/9/2023 3:09 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/09/2023 13:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:00:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied land? >>>>>Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia doesn't want all of it. They only want to annexe some Eastern
areas of the shit-hole where ethnic Russians were being killed by
Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the clown that runs the country was doing
nothing to stop them. Why are we supporting neo-Nazis?
Russia wants all of it. Especially the eastern bits where they killed
their own citizens to fake an excuse to take it, because it has all the
oil coal and gas. And they want all the grain, and they want the black
sea ports as well.
Anyone who actually believes there was 'ethnic conflict' is a moron.
Indeed. Ukrainians *and* Russians are ethnically Slavs.
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever
any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to
Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country.
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever
any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to
Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country.
If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country.
If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
On 10/11/2023 7:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country. >>>
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
Only if your destination allows you to enter.
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On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever
any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to
Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country.
If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country.
If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
On 10/11/2023 7:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country. >>>
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
Only if your destination allows you to enter.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:51:29 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 7:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia >>>>>>>>> on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country. >>>>
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
Only if your destination allows you to enter.
That's a separete issue.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 18:51:29 +0100, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 7:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xeno...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
Only if your destination allows you to enter.
There needs to be somewhere on earth with zero government. No control, no laws. One big island, maybe something like Australia? Then they went and fucked it up and installed a government, even worship our Queen/King.
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 20:08:25 +0100, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:51:29 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 7:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>>>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country. >>>>>
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
Only if your destination allows you to enter.
That's a separete issue.
I have a problem with your use of the word issue.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:02:15 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 20:08:25 +0100, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:51:29 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2023 7:08 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:25:19 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/10/2023 12:26 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:14:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 12/9/2023 11:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:17:03 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 11:40 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:47:49 +1000, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever >>>>>>>>>>>> any of
Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>>>>>> territory
illegally annexed in 2014.
Whatever. It's none of our business. Let them slug it out with Russia
on their own.
Ukraine is a target *on the way* to more targets.
I'd rather Russia took me over than the USA and EU.
Oddly enough, I hope they take you over too. When are you migrating to >>>>>>>> Russia?
I won't need to if they take over our westernized piece of shit country.
If you're not happy, please feel free to leave.
The ultimate freedom is the right to leave.
Only if your destination allows you to enter.
That's a separete issue.
I have a problem with your use of the word issue.
Suck it up, buttercup.
On 13/09/2023 00:23, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
I want half of France back. Then we could at least stop these bloody immigrants...
...and while we are at it, why not invade Ireland and drive tanks into Dublin?
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 01:39:04 +0100, Custos Custodum wrote:
On 12 Sep 2023 23:23:40 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any >>>>>> of Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>> country.
Only as far as current borders are concerned. Back in the Middle Ages,
when Moscow was still just a swamp, Kyiv was the capital of a much
larger area, "Kyivan Rus". Maybe we should be thinking of Ukraine
regaining its former territories.
It's debated whether Oleg was related to Rurik but they both were
Varangians from Sweden. Let's give the whole mess to Sweden. They deserve
it.
On 14/09/2023 14:46, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 05:38:22 +0100, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/09/2023 22:15, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:41:03 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno
<xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the
Russian occupied land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal
whilst ever any of Ukraine territory remains occupied
by Russia and that includes territory illegally
annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it
back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland
would like their part back too. The Ukraine has a very
limited history as an actual country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
For example, even in the part of the country, the darnbach (sp?)
Donbas.
in the east, where Russian was the most used language, since the
Russian attack they have changed to speaking Ukrainian.
Well that's as sensible as learning to speak Welsh in Abergavenny, if
you don't want your house burnt down... I don't suppose anyone spoke
German in the UK in WW2.
So I wouldn't put much store by that...They will be speaking Russian in
occupied territory and Ukrainian in the rest. Its a simple matter of health.
That's possible but neither of us are there to talk to those who
changed. It's also possible they're disgusted with the Russians and
anything Russian, and that's the way the news story portrayed it. Or
they want to *show* solidarity with other Ukrainians with whom they
actually feel solidarity, sort of like putting up a yard sign for an
election candidate.
Yes, in recaptured areas, dealing with a Russian army that has been
vicious to civilians, it would be best to switch back to Russian. When
the war is over, we may learn what language is spoken.
I think as with many things political, there are those who feel strongly
one way, those that feel strongly another way and those, that like a
French Caf proprietor I spoke to pre brexit, say 'we put in the Left.
More taxes. We put in the right,. More taxes.'
On 13/9/2023 9:23 am, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied
land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes
territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like
The Russian Empire no longer exists. It collapsed and disbanded in 1991. Russia is trying to *recreate* the Russian Empire (aka Soviet Union or USSR)
their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual
country.
Ukraine became independent of the *Soviet Union* in 1991. Even before
that time, Ukraine was regarded as a country since it was recognised as
a member country of the Soviet Union.
On 9/13/2023 10:41 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:07:51 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:38:13 +0100, SteveW wrote:
On 12/09/2023 02:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:47:49 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 11/9/2023 6:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If Ukraine and Russia make peace, who keeps the Russian occupied >>>>>>>>> land?
Ukraine will be unlikely to agree to any peace deal whilst ever any of >>>>>>>> Ukraine territory remains occupied by Russia and that includes >>>>>>>> territory illegally annexed in 2014.
Ukraine used to be the USSR, they're just taking it back.
Russia does not equal USSR.
Okay, the Russian Empire is taking it back... Maybe Poland would like >>>>> their part back too. The Ukraine has a very limited history as an actual >>>>> country.
So did the U.S. at one point.
At least the States joined by popular vote.
The behavior of Ukrainian citizens strongly suggests that they
favor independence.
Who would want to live under Putin, who considers his population as an
easy source of cannon fodder to support his ego, and not much else?
The Russian Empire is currently called "Russia" for OCD twats like you.
The land is almost as much as USSR was.
The Russian Empire is currently called "Russia" for OCD twats like you.
The land is almost as much as USSR was.
On 22/10/2023 09:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
The Russian Empire is currently called "Russia" for OCD twats like you.
The land is almost as much as USSR was.
The Russian Empire is called the Russian Federation for twats like you
I think
So you don't accidentally back over and injure or kill a child or pet.
I don't have experience with children but the cat decides she has urgent business someplace else when the mower gets closer than 50'. No danger anyway; it's a push mower so the only thing it's going to back over is me.
Doubtful. I've put the food dish inside and she will follow -- until I
start to close the door. The cat will interact when she feels like it.
When I'm reading outside she will sometimes jump into my lap and enjoy getting her ears and chin rubbed.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10943-019-00926-3
It is a subset and not part of the generalization
I could do with a little less tikkun olam.
I don't have a messiah complex.
You must watch different films than i do. iirc it was '69 when I went to a Jefferson Airplane concert.
When I watched 'Sexy Beast' one of the few words I could understand was 'fuck'. Allegedly they were speaking English.
There's a long drawn out joke about an Australian.
I recently watched the first three seasons of 'The Boys'. No filters
there, no children allowed.
https://nerdist.com/article/the-boys-season-3-ant-man-meme-homage-mcu- cameo-charlize-theron/
I never watched that one but it sounds like 'Firefly'. They got creative including muttering what presumably were Chinese curses.
It was only supposed to be a stopgap until Intel got the iPAX 432 sorted.
Much of that knowledge was looted from India when the Muslims invaded, and later discovered or re-discovered by the West.
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