• Re: Electrical fire in MH370 cockpit?, or, Can one argue with a pilot?

    From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Sep 10 02:14:08 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:26:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:53:44 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to
    happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html

    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.

    According to a lady on a yacht:

    - I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it.

    https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

    But nobody seems to have taken her seriously. You do get lots of attention-seeking behavior after big news stories.

    As for the orange glow:

    - The senior cabin crew member was summoned. At that point, a hiss was heard before a "tornado" of smoke appeared, accompanied by an orange glow....When phones are crushed or deformed, it can cause a lithium battery to become pierced. This, in
    turn, can cause the phone to ignite. According to the AAIB, a lithium battery is more likely to catch fire during or just after charging. At the time of the incident, the passenger had plugged the phone in.

    https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-787-iphone-fire/

    Somebody else's minor disaster, with no obvious relevance to this major one.

    And what about this witness:

    - There was no noise, just black smoke as a result of fires before it crashed into the water. There was a strong smell of acidic fumes in the air before the plane went down, he added.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6597725/Fisherman-claims-SAW-MH370-recorded-EXACT-location-GPS.html
    But it's the Daily Mail, in 2019. The "witness" might have recorded an exact GPS location. but either nobody took him seriously enough to look for wreckage from the plane around there, or they looked and didn't find any. The Daily Mail is infamous for
    the dubious quality of its "journanlism".

    <snipped more speculation about lithium ion batteries>

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    That incident was widely reported:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=indonesian+fisherman+mh370+fumes&sca_esv=564125615&source=hp&ei=S4j9ZOCMF9SJkPIP_ZaJuA0&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZP2WW90MvHPljXtYgJ_kaxdNfBctFF1v&ved=0ahUKEwig3sDH2Z-BAxXUBEQIHX1LAtcQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=indonesian+fisherman+mh370+
    fumes&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6GgIYAyIgaW5kb25lc2lhbiBmaXNoZXJtYW4gbWgzNzAgZnVtZXMyCBAhGKABGIsDMggQIRigARiLA0jzR1AAWNFGcAB4AJABAZgBsAOgAYsiqgEKOS4yMC4xLjEuMbgBA8gBAPgBAcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQABiABBixA8ICCxAuGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIREC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYxwE
    Y0QPCAgsQLhiABBjHARjRA8ICDhAuGIAEGLEDGMcBGNEDwgIIEC4YsQMYgATCAgsQABiKBRixAxiDAcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGMkDwgIIEAAYigUYkgPCAgUQABiABMICDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGMkDwgIIEAAYgAQYkgPCAgsQLhiDARixAxiABMICCBAAGIAEGMkDwgIIEC4YgAQYsQPCAgoQABiABBixAxgKwgIFEC4YgATCAgcQABiABBgKwgIGEA
    AYFhgewgIKEAAYFhgeGA8YCsICCBAAGBYYHhgPwgIIEAAYFhgeGArCAggQABiKBRiGA8ICCBAhGKsCGIsDwgIFECEYqwLCAggQIRgWGB4YHcICBRAhGKAB&sclient=gws-wiz#ip=1

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Sep 10 02:38:24 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
    According to a lady on a yacht:

    - I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it.

    https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

    As for the orange glow:

    - The senior cabin crew member was summoned. At that point, a hiss was heard before a "tornado" of smoke appeared, accompanied by an orange glow....When phones are crushed or deformed, it can cause a lithium battery to become pierced. This, in turn,
    can cause the phone to ignite. According to the AAIB, a lithium battery is more likely to catch fire during or just after charging. At the time of the incident, the passenger had plugged the phone in.

    https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-787-iphone-fire/

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deadly-cargo-inside-mh370-how-exploding-batteries-explain-the-mystery

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Sep 10 02:43:29 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
    According to a lady on a yacht:

    - I was looking at what appeared to be an elongated plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it.

    https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html

    As for the orange glow:

    - The senior cabin crew member was summoned. At that point, a hiss was heard before a "tornado" of smoke appeared, accompanied by an orange glow....When phones are crushed or deformed, it can cause a lithium battery to become pierced. This, in turn,
    can cause the phone to ignite. According to the AAIB, a lithium battery is more likely to catch fire during or just after charging. At the time of the incident, the passenger had plugged the phone in.

    https://simpleflying.com/british-airways-787-iphone-fire/
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deadly-cargo-inside-mh370-how-exploding-batteries-explain-the-mystery

    According to this:

    - MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Sep 10 04:04:09 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to
    happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.

    <snip>

    - MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html

    That does seem to be Clive Irving's explanation. He's a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there's no
    reason to take him seriously.

    You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I've already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there's no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We've all
    exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 05:18:44 2023
    søndag den 10. september 2023 kl. 07.32.35 UTC+2 skrev Anthony William Sloman:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
    <snip>
    And this:

    - Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

    https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
    This is a lead-acid car battery. You've been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don't seem to blow them up.


    some aircrafts use lithium-ion batteries, https://simpleflying.com/boeing-787-battery-issues/

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  • From John Walliker@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Sep 10 07:12:03 2023
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to
    happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.
    <snip>
    - MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
    That does seem to be Clive Irving's explanation. He's a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there's no
    reason to take him seriously.

    I'm not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
    the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
    for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
    failures in transit may be more likely.
    John

    You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I've already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there's no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We've all
    exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Walliker on Sun Sep 10 08:43:56 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to
    happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.
    <snip>
    - MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
    That does seem to be Clive Irving's explanation. He's a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there's no
    reason to take him seriously.

    I'm not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
    the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
    for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
    failures in transit may be more likely.

    It more likely means that they check them for self-heating as they come off the production line and sling out any potential early failures rapidly.

    Paying for quarantine space is expensive, and would justify spending money on test gear that could get the result faster.

    Better production techniques might have just eliminated the problem. Producing better batteries faster does involve understanding what you are doing in more detail - one of my undergraduate friends has a granddaughter who is about to marry a guy who has
    just got a Ph.D. in lithium battery chemistry. The field has moved on a lot in recent years.

    You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I've already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there's no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We've all
    exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Sep 10 11:01:52 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely to
    happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.
    <snip>
    - MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
    That does seem to be Clive Irving's explanation. He's a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there's
    no reason to take him seriously.

    I'm not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
    the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
    for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
    failures in transit may be more likely.
    It more likely means that they check them for self-heating as they come off the production line and sling out any potential early failures rapidly.

    Paying for quarantine space is expensive, and would justify spending money on test gear that could get the result faster.

    Better production techniques might have just eliminated the problem. Producing better batteries faster does involve understanding what you are doing in more detail - one of my undergraduate friends has a granddaughter who is about to marry a guy who
    has just got a Ph.D. in lithium battery chemistry. The field has moved on a lot in recent years.
    You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I've already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there's no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We've all
    exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    The danger of fires hasn't been extinguished:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6dwGFv5HI&t=23s

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Sep 10 14:30:07 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-lawsuit-suggests-electrical-failures-led-crash-n730571
    Ambulance chaser logic. The plane went done, Boeing is worth suing, so it makes sense to allege that there was a defect in the design of the plane.

    It's not evidence about what did go wrong, merely speculation about what might have gone wrong. The "best theory" is still just a theory, and will stay that way until we find enough of the wreckage to learn more. which seems unlikely
    to happen.

    Concerning an electrical fire, what about these 2 photos which show burn/scorch marks?:

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/mh370-fire-madagascar-blaine-gibson/index.html
    They show discolorations. You can use an electron microscope set up to generate X-ray fluorescence from discolored areas to work out what is creating the funny colors.

    The report doesn't mention the results of any such tests, so nobody seems to be taking the question seriously. I'm not going to either.
    <snip>
    - MH370 had 440 pounds of lithium batteries aboard the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014...

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/aviation-expert-presents-theory-happened-194300991.html
    That does seem to be Clive Irving's explanation. He's a journalist, not an aviation expert. A consignment of lithium batteries is unlikely to be shipped fully charged, and new batteries are very unlikely to go into thermal runaway. Again, there's
    no reason to take him seriously.

    I'm not so sure about your second point. I was told by somebody with first hand knowledge of
    the matter that early failures do happen and that manufacturers used to quarantine batteries
    for a few days before shipping them. Now, they tend to ship as soon as possible which means that
    failures in transit may be more likely.
    It more likely means that they check them for self-heating as they come off the production line and sling out any potential early failures rapidly.

    Paying for quarantine space is expensive, and would justify spending money on test gear that could get the result faster.

    Better production techniques might have just eliminated the problem. Producing better batteries faster does involve understanding what you are doing in more detail - one of my undergraduate friends has a granddaughter who is about to marry a guy who
    has just got a Ph.D. in lithium battery chemistry. The field has moved on a lot in recent years.
    You can believe any lunatic theory you like, but give up on boosting it here. As I've already pointed out, it make you look foolish, and there's no real point in touting in a forum that is aimed a people interested in electronic design. We've all
    exploited rechargable batteries from time to time, but nobody has reported ever managing to set one on fire.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
    The danger of fires hasn't been extinguished:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS6dwGFv5HI&t=23s

    (2023 Youtube upload):

    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Sep 10 22:01:18 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:

    <snip>

    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"

    And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Sep 10 22:05:17 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    <snip>
    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"
    And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Sun Sep 10 22:19:22 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:05:24 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    <snip>
    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"

    And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

    Probably not. Gggg gggg doesn't seem to have registered the full extent of my contempt.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Sun Sep 10 22:37:54 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:19:27 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:05:24 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    <snip>
    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"

    And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

    Probably not. Gggg gggg doesn't seem to have registered the full extent of my contempt.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-quote-cold-blooded-frankly-my-dear-l3V0AVIvgTByXMtZm

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to gggg gggg on Mon Sep 11 01:51:42 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:38:00 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:19:27 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:05:24 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    <snip>
    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"

    And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

    Probably not. Gggg gggg doesn't seem to have registered the full extent of my contempt.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-quote-cold-blooded-frankly-my-dear-l3V0AVIvgTByXMtZm

    And you think I care? About some sook who feels hurt because his silly ideas are not being taken seriously? You are as hopeless as John Larkin, and just as thin-skinned.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From gggg gggg@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Sep 11 01:54:09 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 1:51:48 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:38:00 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:19:27 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 3:05:24 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 7:30:14 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:12:09 AM UTC+10, John Walliker wrote:
    On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 12:04:14 UTC+1, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:43:34 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:38:29 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:32:16 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:
    <snip>
    "Covered Up! - China's Electric Car Safety - You're Being Sold a Lie!"

    And gggg gggg is the guy selling it.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/star-trek-vulcan-mr-spock-4APAe5Vw4xHGM

    Probably not. Gggg gggg doesn't seem to have registered the full extent of my contempt.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/movie-quote-cold-blooded-frankly-my-dear-l3V0AVIvgTByXMtZm

    And you think I care? About some sook who feels hurt because his silly ideas are not being taken seriously? You are as hopeless as John Larkin, and just as thin-skinned.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    https://giphy.com/gifs/warnerarchive-classic-film-the-big-sleep-26FPuU62cBOXfjvY4

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  • From ehsjr@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Sep 11 21:28:19 2023
    On 9/10/2023 3:50 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:27:32 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
    <snip>
    And this:

    - Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

    https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
    This is a lead-acid car battery. You've been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don't seem to blow them up.

    Try not to look like a total idiot.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380132024788201756/

    It's also unkind not to point out to people when they are looking like total > > idiots.

    Is that the type of kindness you want done to you?
    Ed

    <snip>

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to ehsjr on Mon Sep 11 22:17:54 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:28:27 AM UTC+10, ehsjr wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 3:50 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:27:32 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote: >>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
    <snip>
    And this:

    - Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

    https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
    This is a lead-acid car battery. You've been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don't seem to blow them up.

    Try not to look like a total idiot.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380132024788201756/

    It's also unkind not to point out to people when they are looking like total idiots.

    Is that the type of kindness you want done to you?

    Very much so. It's lot cheaper to be told that you've got something wrong that it is learn it by turning a bad idea into non-working hardware.
    I do post "oops" posts from time to time, when I have been told one of my posts has got something wrong. Their tone tends to be grateful and apologetic.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Mon Sep 11 22:41:58 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:17:59 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:28:27 AM UTC+10, ehsjr wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 3:50 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:27:32 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote: >>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wired.com/2015/07/still-best-theory-mh370/
    <snip>
    And this:

    - Battery acid smells like rotten eggs or burnt rubber, and it has a strong acidic odor ...

    https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/how-to-spot-battery-leaking-acid-helpful-guide-to-dispose-a-leaking-battery
    This is a lead-acid car battery. You've been speculating about lithium ion batteries which you find in mobile phones which do get carried on to aircraft, but don't seem to blow them up.

    Try not to look like a total idiot.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/simongibson2000-harrison-ford-how-dare-you-l378u4r6WniaoO69a

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/380132024788201756/

    It's also unkind not to point out to people when they are looking like total idiots.

    Is that the type of kindness you want done to you?
    Very much so. It's lot cheaper to be told that you've got something wrong that it is learn it by turning a bad idea into non-working hardware.
    I do post "oops" posts from time to time, when I have been told one of my posts has got something wrong. Their tone tends to be grateful and apologetic.

    --
    Bozo Bill Slowman, Sydney

    Hey Bozo, EVERY ONE of your posts is an "Oops", but that IS NOT how you "react" when I point them out. It is more like a wounded animal that lashes out at those that point out your MANY MISTAKES.

    Bozo's SEWAGE SWEEPER

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Mon Sep 11 23:00:39 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 3:42:04 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:17:59 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:28:27 AM UTC+10, ehsjr wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 3:50 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:27:32 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:57:41 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:32:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:58:47 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:44 AM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:44:25 AM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:32:16 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:31:35 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:23:05 PM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:51:18 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+10, gggg gggg wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:12:50 AM UTC-7, wrote:

    <snip>

    It's also unkind not to point out to people when they are looking like total idiots.

    Is that the type of kindness you want done to you?

    Very much so. It's lot cheaper to be told that you've got something wrong that it is learn it by turning a bad idea into non-working hardware.
    I do post "oops" posts from time to time, when I have been told one of my posts has got something wrong. Their tone tends to be grateful and apologetic.

    Hey EVERY ONE of your posts is an "Oops", but that IS NOT how you "react" when I point them out. It is more like a wounded animal that lashes out at those that point out your MANY MISTAKES.

    Sewage Sweeper does like to think that the is pointing out mistakes, but he is an ignorant idiot with an exaggerated idea of his own expertise, and a remarkable capacity to misunderstand he simplest and most obvious of statements - you only have to look
    at the "evidence" that he occasionally links to with the deluded impression that they support his misconceptions.

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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