• Re: The question now is: Does the solar 11 year cycle cause the recent

    From Robert Latest@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Wed Sep 13 10:12:58 2023
    Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+10, Robert Latest wrote:
    Prematurely getting rid of an intact vehicle to buy a new one is even less >> sustainable than waiting for it to break.

    Of course, encapsulating yourself in two tons of metal, plastics, and
    electronics to get around can't ever be sustainable, no matter how the thing >> is powered.

    My Merc 180B only weighs one ton. Sustainable just means that you can keep on doing it indefinitely, and there's no particular reason to imagine that an electric car couldn't be recycled indefinitely.

    With the exception of some bulk (!) metals and maybe the glass there is exactly nothing in a card that could be recycled indefinetely. Of course for each component one could concoct some theoretical process to do it, but hardly any of them would become economically feasible before the Earth is essentially void of all natural resources.

    Reducing the parts to their original elements and putting them back together does take energy,

    Yeah. So far it's only economically feasible for very few simple items, like glass, steel, copper, aluminium and maybe some other metals. Polymers, electronics, batteries: nada

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Robert Latest on Wed Sep 13 04:09:31 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:13:06 PM UTC+10, Robert Latest wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 1:40:17 AM UTC+10, Robert Latest wrote:
    Prematurely getting rid of an intact vehicle to buy a new one is even less
    sustainable than waiting for it to break.

    Of course, encapsulating yourself in two tons of metal, plastics, and
    electronics to get around can't ever be sustainable, no matter how the thing
    is powered.

    My Merc 180B only weighs one ton. Sustainable just means that you can keep on
    doing it indefinitely, and there's no particular reason to imagine that an electric car couldn't be recycled indefinitely.

    With the exception of some bulk (!) metals and maybe the glass there is exactly
    nothing in a car that could be recycled indefinitely.

    Exactly?

    <snipped the rest of the pretended expertise.>

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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