On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 02:50:49 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do the Americans not let you bring a Peugeot in?
Peugeot looked at the upcoming EPA and NHTSA regulations and decided the market wasn't worth it. There was talk a year or two ago but they again decided it wasn't worth it.
There is a loophole for cars less than 25 years old called 'Show and
Display' but a run-of-the-mill Peugeot wouldn't be eligible.
It might be possible for a private citizen to bring a model up to the standards and jump through all the hoops but it would be expensive and painful.
It wasn't an effort to specifically keep French cars out but the sales in
the US were so dismal Peugeot, Renault, and Citroen didn't bother. Yugo dropped out in '92 even before Clinton bombed their plant. There are no Dacias, but that is sort of a Renault. Some movie I watched recently,
maybe Midsomer Murders, had a Dacia.
Fiat came back with the 500 about 10 years ago. They're supposedly are
doing a EV 500. Personally, I briefly had a Spider back in the day. Never again.
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 01:10:57 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 00:28:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:32:06 +0100, Smolley <s@home.net> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Aug 2023 14:52:54 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/08/2023 03:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 23:54:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 09:09:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
There aren't too many regulations on bicycles.
Maybe Renault could make bicycles ???
Peugeot did okay in the US for a while. For people of my generation >>>>>> Renault is associated with the Dauphine, not a good pairing.
My second bicycle was a Peugeot, I didn't think it was the same
company. Why would a car company stoop to bicycles?
Why did Messerschmitt, the German aircraft company, "stoop" to making >>>> bubble cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_KR200 ?
(Oh yes, WW2.)
The same reason Heinkel and BMW made bubble cars.
And that reason would be?
Because they were not allowed to make aircraft.
By whose order?
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 04:48:35 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 02:50:49 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do the Americans not let you bring a Peugeot in?
Peugeot looked at the upcoming EPA and NHTSA regulations and decided the
market wasn't worth it. There was talk a year or two ago but they again
decided it wasn't worth it.
There is a loophole for cars less than 25 years old called 'Show and
Display' but a run-of-the-mill Peugeot wouldn't be eligible.
It might be possible for a private citizen to bring a model up to the
standards and jump through all the hoops but it would be expensive and
painful.
It wasn't an effort to specifically keep French cars out but the sales in
the US were so dismal Peugeot, Renault, and Citroen didn't bother. Yugo
dropped out in '92 even before Clinton bombed their plant. There are no
Dacias, but that is sort of a Renault. Some movie I watched recently,
maybe Midsomer Murders, had a Dacia.
Fiat came back with the 500 about 10 years ago. They're supposedly are
doing a EV 500. Personally, I briefly had a Spider back in the day. Never
again.
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
Because they were not allowed to make aircraft.
By whose order?
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to install the blade.
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to install the blade.
On 2023-09-17, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
In article <_y0OM.70219$CVBc.58327@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
I don't assume the government made them put all the warnings on it just
some of them. There is Even a warning from California that the nickel
in the blade is a hazard to health and causes cancer.
I look on it as the people on the juries and the court system is the
cause of it. For instance someone put up a ladder with one leg in a
frozen cow pile. Sun comes up and cow pile melts and ladder falls, case
sues and wins. Judge should have not even allowed that case.
I think all tools should have on the package 'to take a course in using
the tool or do not bother suing us when you do something stupid'.
In article <_y0OM.70219$CVBc.58327@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
I don't assume the government made them put all the warnings on it just
some of them. There is Even a warning from California that the nickel
in the blade is a hazard to health and causes cancer.
I look on it as the people on the juries and the court system is the
cause of it. For instance someone put up a ladder with one leg in a
frozen cow pile. Sun comes up and cow pile melts and ladder falls, case
sues and wins. Judge should have not even allowed that case.
I think all tools should have on the package 'to take a course in using
the tool or do not bother suing us when you do something stupid'.
In article <_y0OM.70219$CVBc.58327@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
I don't assume the government made them put all the warnings on it just
some of them. There is Even a warning from California that the nickel
in the blade is a hazard to health and causes cancer.
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
OK, how about government regulations on the new gas cans. They have to
be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one gallon can to use
with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to hold with one hand while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That part has been around
for years. Now the spout is designed with a spring in it tat you have
to somehow push on it so part of the spout springs back.
They do not have a decent vent to let air in as the gas goes out. Takes
much more time. Then there is some kind of flame arrestor in the fill
hole that causes filling problems.
On 2023-09-18, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <_y0OM.70219$CVBc.58327@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to >>>> install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
I don't assume the government made them put all the warnings on it just
some of them. There is Even a warning from California that the nickel
in the blade is a hazard to health and causes cancer.
I look on it as the people on the juries and the court system is the
cause of it. For instance someone put up a ladder with one leg in a
frozen cow pile. Sun comes up and cow pile melts and ladder falls, case
sues and wins. Judge should have not even allowed that case.
I think all tools should have on the package 'to take a course in using
the tool or do not bother suing us when you do something stupid'.
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
In article <ek3OM.59280$8XGa.54641@fx17.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
OK, how about government regulations on the new gas cans.
They have to
be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one gallon can to use
with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to hold with one hand while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That part has been around
for years. Now the spout is designed with a spring in it tat you have
to somehow push on it so part of the spout springs back.
They do not have a decent vent to let air in as the gas goes out. Takes
much more time. Then there is some kind of flame arrestor in the fill
hole that causes filling problems.
Could go with the big one. Gun Control. Some states do not allow guns
with removable magazines to hold over 10 rounds. Almost no time frame
to change out one magazine for another full one.
Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
I suspect more people are injured by the vaxxicide clot shots than by
band saws.
Funny how there are no warnings on the clot shots.
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to install the blade.
Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, C...@nospam.com says...
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test. >>
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to install the blade.
I suspect more people are injured by the vaxxicide clot shots than by band saws.
Funny how there are no warnings on the clot shots.
They have to
be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one gallon can to use
with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to hold with one hand while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That part has been around for years. Now the spout is designed with a spring in it tat you have
to somehow push on it so part of the spout springs back.
Aren't you smart enough to wire it open? That's what my husband did.
Or get an aftermarket spout.
Yes, it's regrettable that someone tries to improve air quality
someplace and you are inconvenienced.
In article <qFdOM.41902$aBOf.18913@fx48.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
They have to
be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one gallon can to use
with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to hold with one hand >>> while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That part has been around >>> for years. Now the spout is designed with a spring in it tat you have
to somehow push on it so part of the spout springs back.
Aren't you smart enough to wire it open? That's what my husband did.
Or get an aftermarket spout.
Yes, it's regrettable that someone tries to improve air quality
someplace and you are inconvenienced.
I am smarter than that. I modified the spout to work better and stay
open. No need to spend money on the after market parts.
I have spilled more gas with the new cans before I modified them than I
ever did with the old ones.
I should not have to do that. If it was not for the ' nanny state' I
would not need this.
On 2023-09-18, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <ek3OM.59280$8XGa.54641@fx17.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
OK, how about government regulations on the new gas cans.
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
You can blame manufacturers for not wanting to make two kinds of gas
cans depending on where they're going to be sold.
They have to be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one
gallon can to use with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to
hold with one hand while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That
part has been around for years. Now the spout is designed with a
spring in it tat you have to somehow push on it so part of the spout
springs back.
Aren't you smart enough to wire it open? That's what my husband did.
Or get an aftermarket spout.
Yes, it's regrettable that someone tries to improve air quality
someplace and you are inconvenienced.
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the walking and riding mowers.
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the walking and riding mowers.
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the walking and riding mowers.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Some of the safety measures in the early days of OSHA were
counterproductive. Most people had a pretty good idea that you shouldn't stick your head in a hydraulic press. Poorly designed safety guards meant
you had more pinch points than before that weren't so obvious.
I don't know the correct term but punch presses were equipped with 'possum harnesses' to make sure your hands weren't in the way. If your timing was
off it snatched your hands back none too gently.
I did know a machinist that was messing a few fingers. He had been working
on a die and knew the ram was slowly drifting down. He was so focused on
what he was doing he ignored the impending doom.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the walking and riding mowers.
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while
the lawn tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had
to solder some wires together.
On 20/09/2023 02:24, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down >>> the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
walking and riding mowers.
Do they prevent people from running their children over leading to
amputation of leg or genitals? (Two cases I recall.)
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while
the lawn tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had
to solder some wires together.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the walking and riding mowers.
Do they prevent people from running their children over leading to
amputation of leg or genitals? (Two cases I recall.)
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
the walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't
a bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while the lawn tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had to solder some
wires together.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:30:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas >>>>> can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to >>>>> implement the regulations.
the walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't
a bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I never bothered. If I have to stop to move furniture or hoses it's only
one pull to get it running again. It's like one of those stupid cars where the engine turns off at stoplights. It has never happened but there's a
drop off in the lawn that is quite steep. If I lost control and the mower rolled down it I'd rather it was running.
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while the lawn
tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had to solder some
wires together.
Not a problem with my Troy-Bilt.
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/walk-behind-mowers/push-mowers
The mulcher works great. No raking or emptying bags and in the fall it
turns leaves into confetti. A rider would be more trouble than it's worth. Besides, according to the GPS I get to walk a mile and a quarter. Gotta
keep the step count up.
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:30:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing >>>>>> down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas >>>>>> can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to >>>>>> implement the regulations.
the walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't >>>> a bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I never bothered. If I have to stop to move furniture or hoses it's only
one pull to get it running again. It's like one of those stupid cars where >> the engine turns off at stoplights. It has never happened but there's a
drop off in the lawn that is quite steep. If I lost control and the mower
rolled down it I'd rather it was running.
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while the lawn >>> tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had to solder some
wires together.
Not a problem with my Troy-Bilt.
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/walk-behind-mowers/push-mowers
The mulcher works great. No raking or emptying bags and in the fall it
turns leaves into confetti. A rider would be more trouble than it's worth. >> Besides, according to the GPS I get to walk a mile and a quarter. Gotta
keep the step count up.
I think mine would be 11 miles with a walk-behind. One of my
nerdier colleagues calculated it.
The [lawn] tractor is also useful for pulling a trailer around the property.
On 20/09/2023 12:11, Max Demian wrote:
On 20/09/2023 02:24, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmupha...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down >>> the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the >> walking and riding mowers.
Do they prevent people from running their children over leading to amputation of leg or genitals? (Two cases I recall.)
No, they dont.
--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Joseph Goebbels
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 5:18:44 AM UTC-7, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/09/2023 12:11, Max Demian wrote:
On 20/09/2023 02:24, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmupha...@mid.individual.net>, bow...@montana.com
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Joseph Goebbels
Sounds exactly like the global warming/climate change alarmists.
In article <op.2bfjasekmvhs6z@ryzen>,
Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 01:10:57 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 00:28:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:32:06 +0100, Smolley <s@home.net> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Aug 2023 14:52:54 +0100, Max Demian wrote:
On 07/08/2023 03:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 23:54:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 09:09:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
There aren't too many regulations on bicycles.
Maybe Renault could make bicycles ???
Peugeot did okay in the US for a while. For people of my generation >> >>>>>> Renault is associated with the Dauphine, not a good pairing.
My second bicycle was a Peugeot, I didn't think it was the same
company. Why would a car company stoop to bicycles?
Why did Messerschmitt, the German aircraft company, "stoop" to making >> >>>> bubble cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_KR200 ?
(Oh yes, WW2.)
The same reason Heinkel and BMW made bubble cars.
And that reason would be?
Because they were not allowed to make aircraft.
By whose order?
Presumablt "The Occupying Powers" (USA, USSR, UK & France)
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 04:48:35 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2023 02:50:49 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do the Americans not let you bring a Peugeot in?
Peugeot looked at the upcoming EPA and NHTSA regulations and decided the >>> market wasn't worth it. There was talk a year or two ago but they again
decided it wasn't worth it.
There is a loophole for cars less than 25 years old called 'Show and
Display' but a run-of-the-mill Peugeot wouldn't be eligible.
It might be possible for a private citizen to bring a model up to the
standards and jump through all the hoops but it would be expensive and
painful.
It wasn't an effort to specifically keep French cars out but the sales in >>> the US were so dismal Peugeot, Renault, and Citroen didn't bother. Yugo
dropped out in '92 even before Clinton bombed their plant. There are no
Dacias, but that is sort of a Renault. Some movie I watched recently,
maybe Midsomer Murders, had a Dacia.
Fiat came back with the 500 about 10 years ago. They're supposedly are
doing a EV 500. Personally, I briefly had a Spider back in the day. Never >>> again.
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
FWIW, we don't test new clot shots.
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:05:51 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Government spawns bureaucrats and bureaucrats need something to do.
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
There is no annual inspection in this state. You might get a ticket for obvious flaws like burned out lights.
There doesn't seem to be any more
rolling wrecks on the road than in states with a semi-annual inspection.
I don't know how many states are left that do not have mandatory insurance
but at one time the number of uninsured vehicles per capita did not differ between states with or without the requirement.
The fact there is an
'uninsured motorist' item on my insurance points to there still being
quite a few.
There is no annual inspection in this state. You might get a ticket for
obvious flaws like burned out lights.
Not here in the UK. You get told to fix them within 2 weeks. I once
had a faulty handbrake, 3 faulty tyres, and a missing exhaust. I got
told I had to get them all done within two weeks. When I told him he
should have checked the records to see I had an annual test in 1 week,
he was not amused, but he forgot about the 95 in a 70 zone.
They are usually a 'fix-it' ticket with no fine if you correct the
Not here in the UK. You get told to fix them within 2 weeks. I once
had a faulty handbrake, 3 faulty tyres, and a missing exhaust.
The penalties for driving with illegal tyres can be severe. If you are stopped by the police and your tyres are found to be below the legal
tyre tread depth limit, you can receive 3 penalty points on your driving license and be fined up to £2,500 per illegal tyre.
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in orCommander Kinsey is stupid ignorant and aggresssive.
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third - engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side.
No idea how long it had been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT.
Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third - engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in >front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third - >engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up >clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine >overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third - engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:25:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
And dangerous things can happen in parked cars.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:25:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Brakes wear out between tests, so the above can still happen.
You notice them becoming shit, and get them fixed to avoid costing money
and inconvenience when you damage your own car.
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
As above, replacing brakes with steering.
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
As above, replacing brakes with throttle.
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
But not without prior warning.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side.
If it's not affecting the handling of the car, it won't cause a problem.
No idea how long it had been like that, other than that it was less
than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT.
Utter bullshit. An MOT is random what they spot.
The last one I had, it failed because a rear "passenger" door (with no
seats in the back) couldn't be opened from the outside to let out the fictitious occupant. It's been like that for the previous 2 MOTs and
they ignored it.
Yet this last MOT, they failed to bother with a completely
non-functional windscreen washer, and wiper blades which don't wipe much
off at all because half the rubber's falling off.
The rules are also daft. Your bonnet is designed with two catches
incase one fails, but they don't have to both work. My car only has the front one, the cable stretched or something so I just disabled it with a crowbar. I just open the bonnet from the front. This passes every time because "the bonnet can be secured shut".
Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
Why would you ask them to check something which is working?
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
I thought it was supposed to be zero. It seems there are advantages and disadvantages to both:
https://mechcontent.com/toe-in-and-toe-out/
I assume the MOT requires it be n a certain range.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
See, you were a learner and still managed to sort it, no harm done.
I had an old Range Rover with a permanently slightly on throttle. I had
to stand on the brake to stop it moving at a junction (it was an
automatic - if I selected neutral, it would sit there revving like
hell). I did that if I was stopping for a while, and it really annoyed
the person in front who thought I was being impatient. I almost
destroyed a small car driven by an idiot mechanic driving it across the
road to the garage he worked at. He pulled out in front of me and I had
to brake hard. Considering the throttle was still on, I didn't slow
down very much, and missed him by an inch. I wish I hadn't braked at
all. A Range Rover hitting the driver's side of a tiny car would have
been funny. Watching the mechanic explain what happened to the owner of
the car would also have been funny.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:25:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
And dangerous things can happen in parked cars.
On 22/10/2023 7:40 pm, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:25:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:Lots of marriages, for one.
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people >>> on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did >>> not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had >>> been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
And dangerous things can happen in parked cars.
On 22/10/2023 8:25 am, NY wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
Depends on the suspension setup and tyre combination. I have set up many
cars where the *factory* toe setting was zero +/- tolerance factor.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
Had the same thing happen when a throttle return spring on the carb broke.
On 22/10/2023 7:33 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:25:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people >>> on pavement or oncoming cars).
Brakes wear out between tests, so the above can still happen.
You notice them becoming shit, and get them fixed to avoid costing money
and inconvenience when you damage your own car.
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
As above, replacing brakes with steering.
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
As above, replacing brakes with throttle.
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
But not without prior warning.
Lots of items break without prior warning and a lot of warnings go unrecognised.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did >>> not lean to one side or try to veer to one side.
If it's not affecting the handling of the car, it won't cause a problem.
It *has* to be having an effect but the driver won't notice it on most
roads. It will have an effect on potholed roads.
No idea how long it had been like that, other than that it was less
than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT.
Utter bullshit. An MOT is random what they spot.
The last one I had, it failed because a rear "passenger" door (with no
seats in the back) couldn't be opened from the outside to let out the
fictitious occupant. It's been like that for the previous 2 MOTs and
they ignored it.
All exits have to operate as designed.
Yet this last MOT, they failed to bother with a completely
non-functional windscreen washer, and wiper blades which don't wipe much
off at all because half the rubber's falling off.
The rules are also daft. Your bonnet is designed with two catches
incase one fails, but they don't have to both work. My car only has the
front one, the cable stretched or something so I just disabled it with a
crowbar. I just open the bonnet from the front. This passes every time
because "the bonnet can be secured shut".
Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
Why would you ask them to check something which is working?
Car servicing these days involves mostly *checking* things so they
*don't fail* and alerting the owner to things that will need attention
sooner or later. It's called *preventative maintenance* but it appears
to be a concept way beyond your ken!
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
I thought it was supposed to be zero. It seems there are advantages and
disadvantages to both:
https://mechcontent.com/toe-in-and-toe-out/
I assume the MOT requires it be n a certain range.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
See, you were a learner and still managed to sort it, no harm done.
I had an old Range Rover with a permanently slightly on throttle. I had
to stand on the brake to stop it moving at a junction (it was an
And cooking up the trans fluid! Well done fool!
automatic - if I selected neutral, it would sit there revving like
hell). I did that if I was stopping for a while, and it really annoyed
the person in front who thought I was being impatient. I almost
destroyed a small car driven by an idiot mechanic driving it across the
road to the garage he worked at. He pulled out in front of me and I had
to brake hard. Considering the throttle was still on, I didn't slow
down very much, and missed him by an inch. I wish I hadn't braked at
You knew your car was defective, you didn't get it fixed. Fool!
all. A Range Rover hitting the driver's side of a tiny car would have
been funny. Watching the mechanic explain what happened to the owner of
the car would also have been funny.
On 21/10/2023 22:25, NY wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:Commander Kinsey is stupid ignorant and aggresssive.
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people
on pavement or oncoming cars).
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did
not lean to one side or try to veer to one side. No idea how long it had
been like that, other than that it was less than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT. Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
(*) I know that normal steering requires a small amount of toe-in or
toe-out.
(**) This happened to me when I was learning to drive. I was going up a
steep hill so was in low gear with fast engine. Changed up into third -
engine raced a bit and car surged a bit, but I thought I'd cocked up
clutch/throttle coordination. Changed into fourth on the level - car
surged forwards and accelerator pedal felt spongy. Turned off ignition
very quickly and pressed hard on footbrake, having worked out that
pressing clutch would remove all mechanical load and would let engine
overspeed (no rev-limiter on that car - it was too old). Cable had
frayed and jammed in outer sheath, having behaved perfectly until then,
no no warning sign.
KF him
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Not here in the UK. You get told to fix them within 2 weeks. I once
had a faulty handbrake, 3 faulty tyres, and a missing exhaust.
The penalties for driving with illegal tyres can be severe. If you are stopped by the police and your tyres are found to be below the legal
tyre tread depth limit, you can receive 3 penalty points on your driving license and be fined up to £2,500 per illegal tyre.
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 17:03:00 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
There is no annual inspection in this state. You might get a ticket for
obvious flaws like burned out lights.
Not here in the UK. You get told to fix them within 2 weeks. I once
had a faulty handbrake, 3 faulty tyres, and a missing exhaust. I got
told I had to get them all done within two weeks. When I told him he
should have checked the records to see I had an annual test in 1 week,
he was not amused, but he forgot about the 95 in a 70 zone.
They are usually a 'fix-it' ticket with no fine if you correct the
problem. I got one for not having a working emergency brake.
I'd replaced an automatic transmission with a manual.
The AT had a brake drum on the
tail which was the emergency brake; the MT didn't. That meant replacing
the rear axle with one that had the emergency brake actuator and
fabricating linkage. Pain in the ass.
However the cop only confiscated my Italian switchblade rather than making
a big deal of it. He seemed to want a new toy.
For some reason we call it a "parking brake" - maybe because most of our
cars are manuals. But I don't use it, ever. I thought they were for learner drivers who can't do hill starts with a footbrake.
On 22/10/2023 22:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
For some reason we call it a "parking brake" - maybe because most of our cars are manuals. But I don't use it, ever. I thought they were for learner drivers who can't do hill starts with a footbrake.Unless your pedals are positioned to allow heel-and-toe (and few modern
cars are *), how would you operate the clutch, footbrake and accelerator
at the same time. Or is your name really Jake (the Peg)?
I've never seen anyone, whether learner or driver with 40 years
experience, do a hill start *without* using the handbrake as one of the
three controls that need to be moved in sync. When I took my IAM test,
10 years after my normal one, the handbrake was the approved method.
And do you always put your car in gear when you park, and keep your foot permanently on the footbrake when stopped in a queue of traffic? Do you *really* never use your handbrake, or are you bullshitting as you do so often?
(*) Cars with "organ pedal" accelerators, such as the old Hillman Hunter
and some marks of VW Golf, are the only ones I've drived that would in
theory allow toe on footbrake and heel on accelerator - most are
positioned so you'd need to turn your foot sideways, a movement that the ankle does not allow!
I've never seen anyone, whether learner or driver with 40 years
experience, do a hill start *without* using the handbrake as one of the
three controls that need to be moved in sync. When I took my IAM test,
10 years after my normal one, the handbrake was the approved method.
And do you always put your car in gear when you park, and keep your foot permanently on the footbrake when stopped in a queue of traffic? Do you *really* never use your handbrake, or are you bullshitting as you do so often?
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On 22/10/2023 22:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
For some reason we call it a "parking brake" - maybe because most of our
cars are manuals. But I don't use it, ever. I thought they were for
learner drivers who can't do hill starts with a footbrake.
Unless your pedals are positioned to allow heel-and-toe (and few modern
cars are *), how would you operate the clutch, footbrake and accelerator
at the same time. Or is your name really Jake (the Peg)?
I've never seen anyone, whether learner or driver with 40 years
experience, do a hill start *without* using the handbrake as one of the
three controls that need to be moved in sync. When I took my IAM test,
10 years after my normal one, the handbrake was the approved method.
And do you always put your car in gear when you park,
and keep your foot permanently on the footbrake when stopped in a queue of traffic?
Do you *really* never use your handbrake, or are you bullshitting as you do so often?
(*) Cars with "organ pedal" accelerators, such as the old Hillman Hunter
and some marks of VW Golf, are the only ones I've drived that would in
theory allow toe on footbrake and heel on accelerator - most are
positioned so you'd need to turn your foot sideways, a movement that the ankle does not allow!
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior
warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an MOT or
at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has
already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe
will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit harder
- maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember)
corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the handbrake, but
I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is enough
to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when it is already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving.
On 23/10/2023 23:29, NY wrote:
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an MOT or
at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe
will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit harder
- maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember) corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the handbrake, but I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is enoughWhat _should_ happen is that the dual circuit comes in to play, and most
to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when it is already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving.
of your brakes work with reduced efficiency - enough to make you wonder
WTF happened.
I imagine if you ignore it the reservoir will empty after a couple of uses.
On 22/10/2023 09:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:25:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 20/10/2023 17:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't believe cars become unsafe when things don't work. They just
fail to move.
Brakes that fail to apply (car doesn't stop and hits the car/person in
front), or apply on one side only (car veers to one side and hits people >>> on pavement or oncoming cars).
Brakes wear out between tests, so the above can still happen.
You notice them becoming shit, and get them fixed to avoid costing money
and inconvenience when you damage your own car.
Defective steering - car fails to turn when the driver turns the wheel,
or goes completely out of control if front wheels fail to remain
"parallel" (*).
As above, replacing brakes with steering.
Throttle cable jams wide open - car goes out of control if driver
doesn't turn the engine off immediately. (**)
As above, replacing brakes with throttle.
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior
warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an MOT or
at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has
already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe
will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit harder
- maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember)
corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the handbrake, but
I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is enough
to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when it is already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving.
I'm sure people and think of other ways in which a car can fail
dangerously, as opposed to failing safe and simply not moving.
But not without prior warning.
The biggest dangers are those which are not noticed. My car failed MOT
with a broken coil spring, but there was no sign prior to that - car did >>> not lean to one side or try to veer to one side.
If it's not affecting the handling of the car, it won't cause a problem.
I was surprised that a broken spring didn't affect the handling of the car.
No idea how long it had been like that, other than that it was less
than a year otherwise it
would have been picked up at the previous MOT.
Utter bullshit. An MOT is random what they spot.
The last one I had, it failed because a rear "passenger" door (with no
seats in the back) couldn't be opened from the outside to let out the
fictitious occupant. It's been like that for the previous 2 MOTs and
they ignored it.
Yet this last MOT, they failed to bother with a completely
non-functional windscreen washer, and wiper blades which don't wipe much
off at all because half the rubber's falling off.
The rules are also daft. Your bonnet is designed with two catches
incase one fails, but they don't have to both work. My car only has the
front one, the cable stretched or something so I just disabled it with a
crowbar. I just open the bonnet from the front. This passes every time
because "the bonnet can be secured shut".
Interestingly, to the
best of my knowledge, the car is still on its original shock absorbers
after 190,000 miles: and I've asked the garage to check them at each
service on the grounds that "surely after all this time they are
starting to fail". Likewise for clutch - still original.
Why would you ask them to check something which is working?
Confirmation that it's not likely to fail and start slipping, and
incredulity that a clutch can last that long, when those of all the
previous cars I've owned had got to the top of the auto-adjustment range and/or started to slip at around 70-100,000 miles.
On 23/10/2023 23:29, NY wrote:
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior
warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the
imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an MOT or
at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has
already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe
will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit harder
- maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember)
corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the handbrake, but
I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is enough
to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when it is
already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving.
What _should_ happen is that the dual circuit comes in to play, and most
of your brakes work with reduced efficiency - enough to make you wonder
WTF happened.
I imagine if you ignore it the reservoir will empty after a couple of uses.
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:10:25 +0100, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 23/10/2023 23:29, NY wrote:
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior
warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the
imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an MOT or >>> at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has
already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe
will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit harder >>> - maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember)
corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the handbrake, but >>> I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is enough >>> to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when it is >>> already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving.
What _should_ happen is that the dual circuit comes in to play, and most
of your brakes work with reduced efficiency - enough to make you wonder
WTF happened.
I imagine if you ignore it the reservoir will empty after a couple of
uses.
If they all fail, you just get a heavier brake pedal, no big deal.
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On 19/09/2023 11:34, Skid Marks wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test. >>>
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
I suspect more people are injured by the vaxxicide clot shots than by
band saws.
Funny how there are no warnings on the clot shots.
I suspect more people are injured by covid than by vaccination, but it doesn't come with a health warning..
On 9/18/2023 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <_y0OM.70219$CVBc.58327@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to >>>> install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
I don't assume the government made them put all the warnings on it just
some of them. There is Even a warning from California that the nickel
in the blade is a hazard to health and causes cancer.
I look on it as the people on the juries and the court system is the
cause of it. For instance someone put up a ladder with one leg in a
frozen cow pile. Sun comes up and cow pile melts and ladder falls, case
sues and wins. Judge should have not even allowed that case.
I think all tools should have on the package 'to take a course in using
the tool or do not bother suing us when you do something stupid'.
Whine, whine, whine.
On 17/09/2023 21:21, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, CK1@nospam.com says...The nanny state is California.
Why is America so fussy on standards?
Yet I'm sure in a few states you don't even have an annual safety test.
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to
install the blade.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:
In article <_y0OM.70219$CVBc.58327@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
For many things seems like we live in a 'nanny state'.
Just bought a band saw. The manual had many more warnings than how to >>> > install the blade.
I'm quite confident the bandsaw manufacturer's lawyers advised them to
put so many warnings in.
Why do you assume the government mandated it?
I don't assume the government made them put all the warnings on it just
some of them. There is Even a warning from California that the nickel
in the blade is a hazard to health and causes cancer.
Clearly it is important to inform the consumer of the possible
consequences of their purchase, no?
What problem do you have with stating that the product could
be damaging to your health?
Then there are the inherent risks in using large woodworking
machinery, and while a bandsaw is considered one of the safer
stationary tools, informing the end-user that improper use of
the tool can be hazardous seems warranted.
Particularly with
the notable lack of industrial arts education in the primary
school system.
In article <ek3OM.59280$8XGa.54641@fx17.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
OK, how about government regulations on the new gas cans. They have to
be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one gallon can to use
with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to hold with one hand while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That part has been around
for years. Now the spout is designed with a spring in it tat you have
to somehow push on it so part of the spout springs back.
They do not have a decent vent to let air in as the gas goes out.
Takes much more time. Then there is some kind of flame arrestor in the fill hole that causes filling problems.
Could go with the big one. Gun Control. Some states do not allow guns
with removable magazines to hold over 10 rounds. Almost no time frame
to change out one magazine for another full one.
On 2023-09-18, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <ek3OM.59280$8XGa.54641@fx17.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
OK, how about government regulations on the new gas cans.
You can blame manufacturers for not wanting to make two kinds of gas
cans depending on where they're going to be sold.
They have to
be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one gallon can to use
with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to hold with one hand
while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That part has been around
for years. Now the spout is designed with a spring in it tat you have
to somehow push on it so part of the spout springs back.
Aren't you smart enough to wire it open? That's what my husband did.
Or get an aftermarket spout.
Yes, it's regrettable that someone tries to improve air quality
someplace and you are inconvenienced.
They do not have a decent vent to let air in as the gas goes out. Takes
much more time. Then there is some kind of flame arrestor in the fill
hole that causes filling problems.
Could go with the big one. Gun Control. Some states do not allow guns
with removable magazines to hold over 10 rounds. Almost no time frame
to change out one magazine for another full one.
Don't go to those states. Stay at home and yell at the kids to get
off your grass.
Why would you teach 10 year olds how to use a saw?
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:06:25 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/09/2023 11:34, Skid Marks wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2bfjb10vmvhs6z@ryzen>, C...@nospam.com says...
Funny how there are no warnings on the clot shots.
I suspect more people are injured by covid than by vaccination, but it doesn't come with a health warning..
But if I have the vaccine, I 100% have the vaccine. If I don't have the vaccine, I most likely don't have the covid, which is just a bad cold.
They even give flu vaccines, my aunt just had one, she felt like she had a very bad flu for a day or so. Not sure what the point of that was.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
On 10/28/2023 4:10 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
You RW wackos can't get anything right.
https://www.thrillist.com/lifestyle/los-angeles/best-nude-beaches-in-california
On 10/28/2023 4:10 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
You RW wackos can't get anything right.
https://www.thrillist.com/lifestyle/los-angeles/best-nude-beaches-in-california
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In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the walking and riding mowers.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:16:06 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-18, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <ek3OM.59280$8XGa.54641@fx17.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com
says...
OK, how about government regulations on the new gas cans.
Then it's not the "nanny state". It's people. Your fellow citizens
are responsible.
You can blame manufacturers for not wanting to make two kinds of gas
cans depending on where they're going to be sold.
They have to be spill proof and self closing . Just bought a one
gallon can to use with my chainsaw. It comes with a device you have to
hold with one hand while screwing off the spout to fill it with. That
part has been around for years. Now the spout is designed with a
spring in it tat you have to somehow push on it so part of the spout
springs back.
Aren't you smart enough to wire it open? That's what my husband did.
Or get an aftermarket spout.
Yes, it's regrettable that someone tries to improve air quality
someplace and you are inconvenienced.
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down
the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
I haven't bought a new can recently but there is a new regulation about a flame retarder that came about when some retard tried to pour gasoline on
a campfire. The attempts to circumvent Darwinian selection aren't going
to end well.
On 20/09/2023 02:24, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.comStrangely I hadn't noticed many here in the UK. Gas guzzling un
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down >>> the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
walking and riding mowers.
catalysed un fuel injected single cylinder mower with only the most rudimentary safety features, like switching off if there is no weight on
the seat - trivial to bypass if you acre, which I don't
On 9/19/2023 6:24 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down >>> the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
walking and riding mowers.
How many feet and other injuries have been avoided because of safety regulations?
"OSHA is Making a Difference
In roughly half a century, OSHA and our state partners, coupled
with the efforts of employers, safety and health professionals, unions
and advocates, have had a dramatic effect on workplace safety.
Worker deaths in America are down—on average, from about 38 worker deaths a day in 1970 to 13 a day in 2020.
Worker injuries and illnesses are down—from 10.9 incidents per 100 workers in 1972 to 2.7 per 100 in 2020.
"
On 20/09/2023 05:06, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Some of the safety measures in the early days of OSHA were
counterproductive. Most people had a pretty good idea that you shouldn't
stick your head in a hydraulic press. Poorly designed safety guards meant
you had more pinch points than before that weren't so obvious.
I don't know the correct term but punch presses were equipped with 'possum >> harnesses' to make sure your hands weren't in the way. If your timing was
off it snatched your hands back none too gently.
I did know a machinist that was messing a few fingers. He had been working >> on a die and knew the ram was slowly drifting down. He was so focused on
what he was doing he ignored the impending doom.
Elfin safety
that gets to the point where people take the trouble to
circumvent or sabotage it routinely is simply pointless.
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Some of the safety measures in the early days of OSHA were
counterproductive. Most people had a pretty good idea that you shouldn't stick your head in a hydraulic press. Poorly designed safety guards meant
you had more pinch points than before that weren't so obvious.
In article <aRzOM.9967$vMO8.395@fx16.iad>, hamilton@invalid.com says...
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while
the lawn tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had
to solder some wires together.
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of the mowers were not mine.
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas
can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't a
bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while
the lawn tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had
to solder some wires together.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:30:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing
down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas >>>>> can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to >>>>> implement the regulations.
the walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't
a bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I never bothered. If I have to stop to move furniture or hoses it's only
one pull to get it running again. It's like one of those stupid cars where the engine turns off at stoplights. It has never happened but there's a
drop off in the lawn that is quite steep. If I lost control and the mower rolled down it I'd rather it was running.
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:30:30 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-09-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 21:24:00 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing >>>>>> down the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas >>>>>> can manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to >>>>>> implement the regulations.
the walking and riding mowers.
My push mower has a bar that has to be held down. All in all that isn't >>>> a bad idea and it isn't all that inconvenient.
Yep. A velcro strap took care of that one.
I never bothered. If I have to stop to move furniture or hoses it's only
one pull to get it running again. It's like one of those stupid cars where >> the engine turns off at stoplights. It has never happened but there's a
drop off in the lawn that is quite steep. If I lost control and the mower
rolled down it I'd rather it was running.
I can't recall what my husband did to defeat "stop mowing while the lawn >>> tractor is backing up". Maybe a jumper; maybe he had to solder some
wires together.
Not a problem with my Troy-Bilt.
https://www.troybilt.com/en_US/walk-behind-mowers/push-mowers
The mulcher works great. No raking or emptying bags and in the fall it
turns leaves into confetti. A rider would be more trouble than it's worth. >> Besides, according to the GPS I get to walk a mile and a quarter. Gotta
keep the step count up.
I think mine would be 11 miles with a walk-behind.
One of my
nerdier colleagues calculated it.
The tractor is also useful for pulling a trailer around the property.
It can go places my SUV can't.
What's wrong with society? ONE person does something stupid, so they
assume the other 8 billion will do the same?! When I was a kid, they
removed the tall slide from the park because a kid was so stupid he
climbed over the tall (for kids) railing at the top and fell off and
died of a broken neck. So they removed it to allow other idiots to stay among us.
I don't even know what OSHA is. In manuals I skip to the part where it actually gives you information on how to use/assemble it.
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of the mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower horizontally.
In article <ueek0m$2tc0j$1@dont-email.me>, max_demian@bigfoot.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
walking and riding mowers.
Do they prevent people from running their children over leading to
amputation of leg or genitals? (Two cases I recall.)
I did not allow my children to be in the yard I was mowing. Simple way
to solve prolem.
On 20/09/2023 02:24, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <kmuphaFle2rU1@mid.individual.net>, bowman@montana.com
says...
It may have been more about child-proofing than air quality. Hosing down >>> the lawnmower while struggling to pour gas doesn't help. The gas can
manufacturers certainly came up with the worst possible design to
implement the regulations.
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the
walking and riding mowers.
Do they prevent people from running their children over leading to
amputation of leg or genitals? (Two cases I recall.)
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On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 05:14:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't even know what OSHA is. In manuals I skip to the part where it
actually gives you information on how to use/assemble it.
Occupational Safety and Health Administration -- a make work project for government drones.
https://gulfnews.com/uae/man-electrocuted-when-drinking-from-water-cooler- in-rak-1.1837757
We were written up for having an drinking fountain that was not properly grounded so I guess it could happen. In this case the fountain was plumbed
up to a 1/2 copper water line and probably was the most grounded thing in
the shop but so it goes.
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of the
mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close
to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush.
In the US we back up our riding mowers and cars.
I think you know what we are saying just like
the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical terminal to another.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 02:36:01 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why would you teach 10 year olds how to use a saw?
I think I was 11 when I took shop class in grade school with table saws,
band saws, and drill presses. What was I supposed to take? Home economics where the girls learned how to make small stuffed animals? A power sewing machine could be just as dangerous.
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of the
mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close
to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like
the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical terminal to another.
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of the
mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close
to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like
the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical terminal to another.
On 29/10/2023 14:19, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of
the mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make
mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files
on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower
horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close
to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like
the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical terminal to another.
My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back up')that stops the motor from cutting
In article <uhnni9$c4eo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 29/10/2023 14:19, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of
the mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make
mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files
on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower
horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close
to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our
riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like
the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical
terminal to another.
up')that stops the motor from cutting
my Italian made mower does that the other way round. going into reverse
stops the cutters, but there's a button to override that and keep the
blades rotating
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:50:57 +0100, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
In article <ueek0m$2tc0j$1@dont-email.me>, max_demian@bigfoot.com
says...
Thinking of mowers look at all the government safety regulations on the >>> > walking and riding mowers.
Do they prevent people from running their children over leading to
amputation of leg or genitals? (Two cases I recall.)
I did not allow my children to be in the yard I was mowing. Simple way
to solve prolem.
Maybe you shouldn't have retarded children who like to run in front of mowers.
On 2023-10-30, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <uhnni9$c4eo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 29/10/2023 14:19, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of >>>>>> the mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make >>>>> mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files >>>>> on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower
horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close >>>> to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our >>>> riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like >>>> the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical
terminal to another.
up')that stops the motor from cutting
my Italian made mower does that the other way round. going into reverse
stops the cutters, but there's a button to override that and keep the
blades rotating
My U.S.-made mower worked like yours. I suspect TNP is confused.
Perhaps he'll provide the make and model of his mower so we can
investigate.
Like many other people, my husband bypassed the switch and the
mower now mows in reverse.
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Maybe you shouldn't have retarded children who like to run in front of
mowers.
True! And if you live in a Democrat run city, killing your own kids is
just a postpartum abortion.
On 30/10/2023 10:39, Slevin wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Maybe you shouldn't have retarded children who like to run in front of mowers.
True! And if you live in a Democrat run city, killing your own kids is just a postpartum abortion.
I think if you are a Democrat and Care About The Planet, killing your own kids is a religious duty to Save The Planet.
On 30/10/2023 09:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-10-30, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <uhnni9$c4eo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back
up')that stops the motor from cutting
Perhaps he'll provide the make and model of his mower so we canJohn Deere L100
investigate.
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch
the button
Anyway, I assume you have the girly namby pamby circuit breakers? You
can't get shocks with those.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 04:47:01 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 02:36:01 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why would you teach 10 year olds how to use a saw?
I think I was 11 when I took shop class in grade school with table
saws, band saws, and drill presses. What was I supposed to take? Home
economics where the girls learned how to make small stuffed animals? A
power sewing machine could be just as dangerous.
Lucky you, we had both up to 14. Everything was obligatory up to 14. Including religious indoctrination.
It seems "shit happens" isn't taught any more :-(
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 07:50:25 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It seems "shit happens" isn't taught any more :-(
Yeah. Some of the eighth grade kids were target shooting in a gravel pit
and one was killed by a ricochet. Shit happens. No grief counseling, no
call to ban firearms. A classmate's younger brother was killed riding his bicycle. Ditto. No calls for mandatory bicycle helmets. I don't know when that came about but we certainly didn't have them.
On 29/10/2023 14:19, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back up')that stops the motor from cutting
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of the >>>> mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close
to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our
riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like
the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical
terminal to another.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 07:50:00 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Anyway, I assume you have the girly namby pamby circuit breakers? You
can't get shocks with those.
If you mean GFI breakers their use is limited.
I only have one on an
external outlet.
In the cold months I have a small shelter with a heated
pad for the cat
and I'd prefer not to electrocute her.
Note: I've invited the cat inside but she declined.
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch
the button
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 19:14:15 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 07:50:00 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Anyway, I assume you have the girly namby pamby circuit breakers? You
can't get shocks with those.
If you mean GFI breakers their use is limited.
I doubt many shocks are live to neutral, so they stop pretty much all of them. However they trip at many things which aren't shocks. Just like burglar alarms and car alarms and fire alarms, they aren't intelligent
enough to know what's real. I'll stick to fuses.
I only have one on an
external outlet.
They seem to be whole house ones here. And badly done, they trip the
whole house instead of a single circuit.
On 2023-10-30, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <uhnni9$c4eo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher >><tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 29/10/2023 14:19, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the
stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I
defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of
the mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make
mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of
files
on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower
horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many
times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close >>> > to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up
our
riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like >>> > the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing
but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical
terminal to another.
up')that stops the motor from cutting
my Italian made mower does that the other way round. going into reverse
stops the cutters, but there's a button to override that and keep the
blades rotating
My U.S.-made mower worked like yours. I suspect TNP is confused.
Perhaps he'll provide the make and model of his mower so we can
investigate.
Like many other people, my husband bypassed the switch and the
mower now mows in reverse.
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >news:uhod32$fqam$2@dont-email.me...
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch
the button
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter >engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you >press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:uhod32$fqam$2@dont-email.me...
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch
the button
That's an intriguing way of enforcing the "don't cut while reversing" restriction: to stop the engine when you select reverse with the cutters
down (unless you press the bypass button) seems excessive when it could (presumably) just disable the drive to the cutter (unless you press the button) while keeping the engine running to drive the mower backwards.
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
Is it a horizontal blade spinning about a vertical axis (like a hover mower)
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter >engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you >press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
Because most people don't bother looking before they back up their
riding mower.
So you don't accidentally back over and injure or kill a child or pet.
Luckily there are no mandatory helmets here. Although most psycholists
seem to wear them anyway. Whenever I pass a cyclist wearing lycra, a
helmet, and or with lights on during the day, I pass with a 2 inch gap.
Seems to upset them for some reason. Maybe they should learn not to
wobble.
In the cold months I have a small shelter with a heated
pad for the cat
They have fur, they don't need heat.
and I'd prefer not to electrocute her.
Why would the heated pad do that?
Note: I've invited the cat inside but she declined.
She'll come in if she wants. Clearly she doesn't mind the cold.
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:27:33 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
So you don't accidentally back over and injure or kill a child or pet.
I don't have experience with children but the cat decides she has urgent business someplace else when the mower gets closer than 50'.
No danger
anyway; it's a push mower so the only thing it's going to back over is me.
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:35:27 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Luckily there are no mandatory helmets here. Although most psycholists
seem to wear them anyway. Whenever I pass a cyclist wearing lycra, a
helmet, and or with lights on during the day, I pass with a 2 inch gap.
Seems to upset them for some reason. Maybe they should learn not to
wobble.
There is no state law requiring helmets although some cities might have regulations for children. There is no motorcycle helmet requirement either
although I've gotten better about wearing on. Bugs in your teeth gets old after a while and hail storms truly suck.
I have a bicycle helmet I bought because a private bike trail required it.
Ut was the cheapest I could find and did not inspire confidence. They also required a headlight and I found the cheapest light was really inadequate
for long railroad tunnels.
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:38:20 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the cold months I have a small shelter with a heated
pad for the cat
They have fur, they don't need heat.
True, but she seems to like a little warmth.
and I'd prefer not to electrocute her.
Why would the heated pad do that?
On the off chance she chewed on something or sharpened her claws but cats
are a lot smarter than other creatures.
Note: I've invited the cat inside but she declined.
She'll come in if she wants. Clearly she doesn't mind the cold.
We'll see when it gets down towards 0F.
So far it's only been in the low teens. I don't know the cat's history but she's skittish.
"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.2doad6j5gml7km@ryzen...
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 19:14:15 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 07:50:00 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Anyway, I assume you have the girly namby pamby circuit breakers? You >>>> can't get shocks with those.
If you mean GFI breakers their use is limited.
I doubt many shocks are live to neutral, so they stop pretty much all of
them. However they trip at many things which aren't shocks. Just like
burglar alarms and car alarms and fire alarms, they aren't intelligent
enough to know what's real. I'll stick to fuses.
I only have one on an
external outlet.
They seem to be whole house ones here. And badly done, they trip the
whole house instead of a single circuit.
Yes, earth-leakage circuit breakers to prevent electric shock are often more expensive that over-current breakers
which simply protect against high
live-neutral current, so you tend to get each ring main, lighting or cooker circuit protected by over-current MCB, and then the whole house protected by ELCB - so an ELCB fault takes out the whole house.
At our previous house, there was a circuit that fed an outside shed. We
found out that if its MCB was turned on during a thunderstorm, the house
ELCB would occasionally trip, which is bad news if it were to happen while
we were away on holiday and the freezers were turned off. We got into the habit of keeping the shed's MCB turned off at all times except when we
needed it (eg while mowing the lawn from a cable plugged into the shed) to prevent false triggering of the whole-house ELCB if there was a
thunderstorm.
What is the guidance for new-build houses? Is there still one ELCB for the whole house, or are there combined MCBs (rated 15 A for lighting or 30 A for ring-main/cooker) and ECLBs (rated at 30 mA live-to-earth) for each circuit, so a false trigger only kills one circuit and not the whole house?
ELCBs protect against both live to neutral and live to earth. I was glad of that when I stupidly touched a live wire on a lighting circuit while also touching the neutral with my opposite hand. That would have been very nasty because it would have been an across-the-body shock which might not have doe my heart much good, given that I'd had a heart attack some 10 years earlier. It was a very stupid and amateurish mistake.
*Beware of Philips Hue bulbs and others that can be turned off at an app while retaining power to the bulb.*
I'd been changing lots of GU10 lamp holders around the house. Each time, I turned off the wall switch and the MCB for the lighting circuit. My wife
said "Can you do this one as well". The GU10s were not lit so I thought the walls switch was off. It was not: there was power to the bulbs on that circuit but all the bulbs were turned off at the app.
It's the first mains shock I've had in a house with an ELCB. Previously the only protection has been over-current fuses or MCBs. This shock was a nasty belt, but a *lot* less painful, both at the time and afterwards because the power was cut within the rated 30 msec instead of when I managed to pull my hand away as for previous shocks. A previous shock was made worse because I gashed my finger on a sharp bit of metal as I was pulling it away. That was another stupid on: an appliance which was turned off at its own switch, but the soldered connections where the mains lead connected to the switch were still live.
So I've had two "stupid pillock making assumptions" shocks ;-) That's in addition to a couple of forgetting things were live, as opposed to thinking that it was safe (a subtle distinction!).
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:30:17 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:38:20 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the cold months I have a small shelter with a heated
pad for the cat
They have fur, they don't need heat.
True, but she seems to like a little warmth.
There's always the house. Turn the warmer off and she might come in.
Pets are more fun when they actually interact.
On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 03:06:44 -0000, Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:30:17 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:38:20 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
In the cold months I have a small shelter with a heated
pad for the cat
They have fur, they don't need heat.
True, but she seems to like a little warmth.
There's always the house. Turn the warmer off and she might come in.
Pets are more fun when they actually interact.
Doubtful. I've put the food dish inside and she will follow -- until I
start to close the door. The cat will interact when she feels like it.
When I'm reading outside she will sometimes jump into my lap and enjoy getting her ears and chin rubbed.
If food is only inside she'll have to come in.
Or run away.
Maybe try some fun toys?
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On 10/25/2023 5:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:10:25 +0100, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 23/10/2023 23:29, NY wrote:
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior
warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the
imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an MOT or >>>> at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has
already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe
will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until one >>>> day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit harder >>>> - maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember)
corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the handbrake, but >>>> I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is enough >>>> to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when it is >>>> already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving.
What _should_ happen is that the dual circuit comes in to play, and most >>> of your brakes work with reduced efficiency - enough to make you wonder
WTF happened.
I imagine if you ignore it the reservoir will empty after a couple of
uses.
If they all fail, you just get a heavier brake pedal, no big deal.
Unless you actually need to stop quickly.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 03:34:13 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/25/2023 5:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:10:25 +0100, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 23/10/2023 23:29, NY wrote:
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with priorWhat _should_ happen is that the dual circuit comes in to play, and
warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the >>>>> imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on an
MOT or
at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has >>>>> already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe >>>>> will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until
one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit
harder
- maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember)
corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the
handbrake, but
I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is
enough
to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when
it is
already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving. >>>>
most
of your brakes work with reduced efficiency - enough to make you wonder >>>> WTF happened.
I imagine if you ignore it the reservoir will empty after a couple of
uses.
If they all fail, you just get a heavier brake pedal, no big deal.
Unless you actually need to stop quickly.
Then you were driving badly.
On 10/28/2023 4:10 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
You RW wackos can't get anything right.
https://www.thrillist.com/lifestyle/los-angeles/best-nude-beaches-in-california
Bob F wrote:
On 10/28/2023 4:10 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
You RW wackos can't get anything right.
https://www.thrillist.com/lifestyle/los-angeles/best-nude-beaches-in-california
For every nude body you want to see there are 10 you can't unsee. No thanks.
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes:
On 10/28/2023 4:10 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
You RW wackos can't get anything right.
https://www.thrillist.com/lifestyle/los-angeles/best-nude-beaches-in-california
Or the annual Bay to Breakers race. Or the Doo-Dah parade.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 18:42:50 +0100, Slevin <sle...@192.168.1.1> wrote:
Bob F wrote:
On 10/28/2023 4:10 AM, Max Demian wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
You RW wackos can't get anything right.
https://www.thrillist.com/lifestyle/los-angeles/best-nude-beaches-in-california
For every nude body you want to see there are 10 you can't unsee. No thanks.
If you're ashamed of the way we're made there's no hope for you. If you believe in god, god made you that way, if you believe in evolution, we evolved that way. Either way it's perfectly natural.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:10:54 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
Merkins are stoopid. Before puberty girls' chests look like boys'
chests. So why would they make a distinction?
On 30/10/2023 09:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-10-30, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <uhnni9$c4eo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 29/10/2023 14:19, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <op.2dj903swgml7km@ryzen>, CK1@spam.com says...My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back
I liked the way one riding mower did. There is a psition on the >>>>>>> stsrting switch that allows backing up with the blades moving. I >>>>>>> defeated three others by putting a jumper around a switch. Some of >>>>>>> the mowers were not mine.
Why on earth would you now want it to mow in reverse? It would make >>>>>> mowing take so much longer.
And why do you say "backing up"? That's when you make a copy of files >>>>>> on your computer. There's no up involved, you're moving the mower >>>>>> horizontally.
The engine of the riding mower will stop if you go in reverse. Many >>>>> times I want to go in reverse for a few feet to get around or up close >>>>> to an item in the yard such as a tree or bush. In the US we back up our >>>>> riding mowers and cars. I think you know what we are saying just like >>>>> the 'jumpers' a post or two up from here. Not an artical of clothing >>>>> but a short wire that bypasses the switch or goes from one electrical >>>>> terminal to another.
up')that stops the motor from cutting
my Italian made mower does that the other way round. going into reverse
stops the cutters, but there's a button to override that and keep the
blades rotating
My U.S.-made mower worked like yours. I suspect TNP is confused.
Fuck you. I've had this mower 20 years. I know how it works
Perhaps he'll provide the make and model of his mower so we canJohn Deere L100
investigate.
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch
the button
Like many other people, my husband bypassed the switch and the
mower now mows in reverse.
So you don't do the D-I-Y and you aren't in the UK
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 30/10/2023 09:32, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-10-30, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <uhnni9$c4eo$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
My US made 'riding mower' has a button to press (if you want to 'back >>>>> up')that stops the motor from cutting
<unnecessary expletive elided>
"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhod32$fqam$2@dont-email.me...
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch >>> the button
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter
engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you
press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
Because most people don't bother looking before they back up their
riding mower.
On 2023-10-31, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhod32$fqam$2@dont-email.me...
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch >>> the button
That's an intriguing way of enforcing the "don't cut while reversing"
restriction: to stop the engine when you select reverse with the cutters
down (unless you press the bypass button) seems excessive when it could
(presumably) just disable the drive to the cutter (unless you press the
button) while keeping the engine running to drive the mower backwards.
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter
engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you
press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
So you don't accidentally back over and injure or kill a child or pet.
I did not let them In article <w280N.113234$MJ59.57448@fx10.iad>, scott@slp53.sl.home says...
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter
engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you >> >press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
Because most people don't bother looking before they back up their
riding mower.
When the children were growing up and I lived on a 1/2 acer lot I did
not let them out of the house while I was mowing.
Now they are moved
out and I have a much larger yard there are no children around. So I bypassed that switch. The other mower was old enough to not have that
anti backup switch.
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:27:33 -0000, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-31, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhod32$fqam$2@dont-email.me...
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch >>>> the button
That's an intriguing way of enforcing the "don't cut while reversing"
restriction: to stop the engine when you select reverse with the cutters >>> down (unless you press the bypass button) seems excessive when it could
(presumably) just disable the drive to the cutter (unless you press the
button) while keeping the engine running to drive the mower backwards.
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter >>> engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you >>> press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
So you don't accidentally back over and injure or kill a child or pet.
Try looking where you're going? And try bringing up children with brains.
Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:27:33 -0000, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-31, NY <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:uhod32$fqam$2...@dont-email.me...
If you go back with cutters engaged, it cuts the engine unless you touch
the button
That's an intriguing way of enforcing the "don't cut while reversing" >>> restriction: to stop the engine when you select reverse with the cutters >>> down (unless you press the bypass button) seems excessive when it could >>> (presumably) just disable the drive to the cutter (unless you press the >>> button) while keeping the engine running to drive the mower backwards. >>>
I wonder what is considered to be so bad about reversing with the cutter >>> engaged, that it needs an interlock that prevents it happening unless you
press a "yes I really want to do that" bypass switch.
So you don't accidentally back over and injure or kill a child or pet.
Try looking where you're going? And try bringing up children with brains.
Backing over a child with a Juan Deere is really just a postpartum abortion. Why are the Democrats opposed?
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 05:58:36 -0000, Vladimir Putin wrote:
If food is only inside she'll have to come in.
Or run away.
The cat was making a living before she started coming around regularly. Semi-feral cats do whatever they are going to do. It took a couple of
months before she would come to the food bowl if I was standing there.
Maybe try some fun toys?
Not too interested. I've got catnip balls that some of the other cats go crazy for but they don't hold her interest for long.
On 11/7/2023 5:59 PM, Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 03:34:13 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/25/2023 5:40 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:10:25 +0100, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 23/10/2023 23:29, NY wrote:
All of your comments assume that the failure is gradual, with prior >>>>>> warning. Some failures are sudden, without warning. You hope that the >>>>>> imminent failure will be picked up on an inspection, either on anWhat _should_ happen is that the dual circuit comes in to play, and
MOT or
at a service.
Consider a corroded brake pipe (assuming that the primary circuit has >>>>>> already failed and this is a failure in the backup circuit). The pipe >>>>>> will withstand the hydraulic pressure for applying the brakes until >>>>>> one
day the corrosion becomes too great, or you press the pedal a bit
harder
- maybe in an emergency - and you suddenly have no brakes.
I've never had a brake failure, or even (as far as I can remember) >>>>>> corrosion of brake pipes. I know the theory is to use the
handbrake, but
I've yet to drive a car where the handbrake, firmly yanked on, is
enough
to slow the car much: the handbrake is enough to hold the car when >>>>>> it is
already stationary but not to slow the car very much if it is moving. >>>>>
most
of your brakes work with reduced efficiency - enough to make you wonder >>>>> WTF happened.
I imagine if you ignore it the reservoir will empty after a couple of >>>>> uses.
If they all fail, you just get a heavier brake pedal, no big deal.
Unless you actually need to stop quickly.
Then you were driving badly.
Nonsense. My sienna has very poor response to the brake pedal if the
vacuum booster is depleted. Pushing as hard as I can barely slows it
down. Try it some time.
Get up to speed, put the car in neutral, turn off the key, pump the
brake pedal lightly a few time until the booster is empty, then try to
stop in a hurry.
Then get back to us.
On 13/11/2023 07:01, Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:10:54 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
Merkins are stoopid. Before puberty girls' chests look like boys'
chests. So why would they make a distinction?
Half the time I can't tell the difference.
Maybe children should be forced to be naked from the waist down so we
can tell what they are.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 14:14:58 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 13/11/2023 07:01, Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:10:54 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
Merkins are stoopid. Before puberty girls' chests look like boys'
chests. So why would they make a distinction?
Half the time I can't tell the difference.
You can't tell the difference between a boy and a girl?!
On 1/2/24 19:22, Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 14:14:58 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
On 13/11/2023 07:01, Vladimir Putin wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:10:54 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> >>>> wrote:
On 28/10/2023 02:32, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:06:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
The nanny state is California.
Elsewhere they just get on with life.
You can't even show a female nipple in public in California,
Even of a three year old.
Merkins are stoopid. Before puberty girls' chests look like boys'
chests. So why would they make a distinction?
Half the time I can't tell the difference.
You can't tell the difference between a boy and a girl?!
I hope you don't spend all day looking at little children's genitals to
find out.
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