• Re: Solid caps can blow up?

    From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Aug 8 21:14:44 2022
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and rec.games.ropeadope.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive
    than others.

    Phil Hobbs

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Mon Aug 8 22:45:09 2022
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a >>> graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated
    paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and
    rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?

    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer repair
    problem, I wouldn't have thought.


    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive
    than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running without a
    restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out 24/7 for the last
    year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the coloured
    wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown fluid.

    Looks pretty wet to me. Sticking that right next to the (apparently inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented) heat sink for the
    SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor life.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Tue Aug 9 03:42:13 2022
    On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 04:45:20 UTC+2, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a >>> graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated
    paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and
    rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?
    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer repair
    problem, I wouldn't have thought.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive
    than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running without a restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out 24/7 for the last year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the coloured
    wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown fluid.
    Looks pretty wet to me. Sticking that right next to the (apparently inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented) heat sink for the
    SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor life.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com
    Phil,

    thank you for
    https://electrooptical.net/
    and https://electrooptical.net/static/media/uploads/Projects/Footprints/fpspie11.pdf
    https://electrooptical.net/static/media/uploads/Projects/Footprints/2112no2x6.avi


    I have built high-resolution thermal infrared imager based on night vision system ,
    applying live multi-spectral image processing.

    Not sure if there is an interest in high-resolution thermal infrared imaging in medicine.

    Let me know your opinion

    thank you

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Aug 9 10:45:40 2022
    a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 04:45:20 UTC+2, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the
    12V line on a graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW
    supply, so the tracks got damaged somewhat, it melted the
    solder, and ejected itself from the board. Smelt of TCP (a
    disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and
    rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?
    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer
    repair problem, I wouldn't have thought.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more
    sensitive than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running
    without a restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out
    24/7 for the last year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the
    coloured wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown
    fluid.
    Looks pretty wet to me. Sticking that right next to the
    (apparently inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented)
    heat sink for the SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor
    life.


    Phil,

    thank you for https://electrooptical.net/ and

    https://electrooptical.net/static/media/uploads/Projects/Footprints/fpspie11.pdf

    https://electrooptical.net/static/media/uploads/Projects/Footprints/2112no2x6.avi

    Yeah, that was a great project--one of my favorite things is to do
    something novel and useful with practically zero apparatus.

    It was also my first actual embedded system--if you look at the war
    story paper at <https://electrooptical.net/static/oldsite/www/footprints/fpwaropn.pdf>,
    you'll see why that was. ;)

    I have built high-resolution thermal infrared imager based on night
    vision system , applying live multi-spectral image processing.

    Not sure if there is an interest in high-resolution thermal infrared
    imaging in medicine.

    Let me know your opinion

    thank you


    Not that I know of, sorry.

    I had considerable interest from ARPA-E back in my early consulting days (2009ish) for making cheap handheld thermal imagers to look for heat
    leaks in buildings, but back then they didn't have any discretionary
    money the way DARPA has.

    Back then the Measurement Specialties Inc. engineer I worked with (Mitch Thompson, may his tribe increase) had risen to be CTO of Tyco
    Electronics, but even together we couldn't get MSI to build the films
    for them--they were only interested in motion detectors.

    So the Footprints technology has sat there from that day to this, unfortunately.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Bertrand Sindri on Tue Aug 9 21:54:00 2022
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:34:50 +0100, Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In sci.electronics.design Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break.

    Just about anything can be made to "blow up", provided one can find a
    way to impart sufficient energy within a narrow enough time window.

    It chose to do this itself.

    This one shorted the 12V line on a graphics card, unfortunately I
    have a 2.5kW supply,

    So, one little cap, shorting, will dissapate something near, or greater
    than, 2.5kW for the short time before it blows. 2.5kW of dissapation
    in that tiny space is more than enough to cause significant damage,
    including "blowing up".

    I have such a large supply as I have around 12 graphics cards all running at once. Easier to have one big 12V rail.

    The input to my house currently reads 243V, 26.4A.

    I'm hoping to repair it....

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  • From Bertrand Sindri@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 9 21:08:30 2022
    Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:34:50 +0100, Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In sci.electronics.design Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break.

    Just about anything can be made to "blow up", provided one can find a
    way to impart sufficient energy within a narrow enough time window.

    It chose to do this itself.

    It (the capacitor) made no such choice, as it lacks consciousness with
    which to do so.

    Instead, wear and tear, likely heat related, resulted in it eventually shorting. And once it shorted, it then dissapated sufficient energy
    within a narrow enough time window to blow up.

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  • From Bertrand Sindri@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Tue Aug 9 20:34:50 2022
    In sci.electronics.design Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break.

    Just about anything can be made to "blow up", provided one can find a
    way to impart sufficient energy within a narrow enough time window.

    This one shorted the 12V line on a graphics card, unfortunately I
    have a 2.5kW supply,

    So, one little cap, shorting, will dissapate something near, or greater
    than, 2.5kW for the short time before it blows. 2.5kW of dissapation
    in that tiny space is more than enough to cause significant damage,
    including "blowing up".


    Note - removed irrelevant windows groups from Newsgroups: header.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Bertrand Sindri on Tue Aug 9 22:52:55 2022
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:08:30 +0100, Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:34:50 +0100, Bertrand Sindri <bertrand.sindri@yahoo.com> wrote:

    In sci.electronics.design Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break.

    Just about anything can be made to "blow up", provided one can find a
    way to impart sufficient energy within a narrow enough time window.

    It chose to do this itself.

    It (the capacitor) made no such choice, as it lacks consciousness with
    which to do so.

    Instead, wear and tear, likely heat related, resulted in it eventually shorting. And once it shorted, it then dissapated sufficient energy
    within a narrow enough time window to blow up.

    The choice then was made by the designer who cut corners and didn't care if it exploded after 10 years, since it only has a warranty for 2 or 3.

    The worst one I saw was a compact fluorescent animal UV lamp from China. The capacitor burst after 3 months use. So I put in a bigger one (higher voltage and low ESD). It seems to be happy now. Still, it was 7.50 for the lamp and the proper ones
    from big companies are 20-30, which I've also had fail. Again, heat. Almost an absolute lack of vents on the chassis.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Aug 10 07:40:22 2022
    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:15:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:21:42 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:36:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:15:19 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:45:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:45:09 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a
    graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated
    paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and >>>>>>>> rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?

    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer repair >>>>>> problem, I wouldn't have thought.

    There are computer people in there.

    Why does it concern you anyway? Just hit reply.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive >>>>>>>> than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running without a >>>>>>> restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out 24/7 for the last
    year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the coloured
    wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown fluid.

    Looks pretty wet to me.

    What do you mean? If you're talking about the mess to the right, that's actually a piece of copper track for the ground that's burnt off the paint above it.

    Sticking that right next to the (apparently
    inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented) heat sink for the
    SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor life.

    Well it has to go somewhere, there's a lot of hot stuff on graphics cards. It also probably needs to be close to the other VRM stuff. Trouble is all these caps are also under the big heatsink for the main GPU which gives off up to 250W. That
    heatsink covers the whole card, there is nowhere cool.

    Is this a gaming machine? Overclocked, overstressed, cheap, and
    fundamentally useless?

    I never overclock. They're used to run science applications. Boinc - a volunteer projects to run biology, astrophysics, etc.

    OK. That leaves overstressed,

    No, because I run them at the designed clock speed and keep them well within their temperature limit.

    cheap,

    They're quality cards, just older. The price of new cards is absurd.

    and fundamentally useless.

    What on earth makes you say that?
    Why does anyone need a monster GPU? Serious scientific simulation?

    99+ % of PC compute power is used for gaming and bitcoin mining.

    Gaming has destroyed the brains of millions of kids. Coin mining uses
    more power that many poor countries.

    One day GPUs will run LTspice simulations so that you don't need to use a calculator to solve for resistor values.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Ricky on Wed Aug 10 18:29:56 2022
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:40:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:15:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:21:42 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:36:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:15:19 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:45:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:45:09 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a
    graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated
    paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and
    rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?

    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer repair >> >>>>>> problem, I wouldn't have thought.

    There are computer people in there.

    Why does it concern you anyway? Just hit reply.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive >> >>>>>>>> than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running without a >> >>>>>>> restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out 24/7 for the last
    year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the coloured
    wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown fluid.

    Looks pretty wet to me.

    What do you mean? If you're talking about the mess to the right, that's actually a piece of copper track for the ground that's burnt off the paint above it.

    Sticking that right next to the (apparently
    inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented) heat sink for the
    SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor life.

    Well it has to go somewhere, there's a lot of hot stuff on graphics cards. It also probably needs to be close to the other VRM stuff. Trouble is all these caps are also under the big heatsink for the main GPU which gives off up to 250W. That
    heatsink covers the whole card, there is nowhere cool.

    Is this a gaming machine? Overclocked, overstressed, cheap, and
    fundamentally useless?

    I never overclock. They're used to run science applications. Boinc - a volunteer projects to run biology, astrophysics, etc.

    OK. That leaves overstressed,

    No, because I run them at the designed clock speed and keep them well within their temperature limit.

    cheap,

    They're quality cards, just older. The price of new cards is absurd.

    and fundamentally useless.

    What on earth makes you say that?
    Why does anyone need a monster GPU? Serious scientific simulation?

    99+ % of PC compute power is used for gaming and bitcoin mining.

    Gaming has destroyed the brains of millions of kids. Coin mining uses
    more power that many poor countries.

    One day GPUs will run LTspice simulations so that you don't need to use a calculator to solve for resistor values.

    You don't need a processor that can do 20 trillion calculations in a second to find a resistor value.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to CK1@nospam.com on Wed Aug 10 14:18:57 2022
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:29:56 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:40:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:15:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:21:42 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:36:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:15:19 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:45:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:45:09 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a
    graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated
    paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and
    rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?

    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer repair >>> >>>>>> problem, I wouldn't have thought.

    There are computer people in there.

    Why does it concern you anyway? Just hit reply.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive
    than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running without a
    restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out 24/7 for the last
    year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the coloured
    wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown fluid.

    Looks pretty wet to me.

    What do you mean? If you're talking about the mess to the right, that's actually a piece of copper track for the ground that's burnt off the paint above it.

    Sticking that right next to the (apparently
    inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented) heat sink for the
    SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor life.

    Well it has to go somewhere, there's a lot of hot stuff on graphics cards. It also probably needs to be close to the other VRM stuff. Trouble is all these caps are also under the big heatsink for the main GPU which gives off up to 250W. That
    heatsink covers the whole card, there is nowhere cool.

    Is this a gaming machine? Overclocked, overstressed, cheap, and
    fundamentally useless?

    I never overclock. They're used to run science applications. Boinc - a volunteer projects to run biology, astrophysics, etc.

    OK. That leaves overstressed,

    No, because I run them at the designed clock speed and keep them well within their temperature limit.

    cheap,

    They're quality cards, just older. The price of new cards is absurd.

    and fundamentally useless.

    What on earth makes you say that?
    Why does anyone need a monster GPU? Serious scientific simulation?

    99+ % of PC compute power is used for gaming and bitcoin mining.

    Gaming has destroyed the brains of millions of kids. Coin mining uses
    more power that many poor countries.

    One day GPUs will run LTspice simulations so that you don't need to use a calculator to solve for resistor values.

    You don't need a processor that can do 20 trillion calculations in a second to find a resistor value.

    I run sims that take 20 minutes to simulate milliseconds of real time.
    I'd love LT Spice to run on a GPU, maybe 500x faster.

    --

    John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk

    The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
    "Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Aug 10 23:25:36 2022
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:18:57 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:29:56 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:40:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:15:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:21:42 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:36:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:15:19 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:45:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <C...@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:45:09 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    I didn't know solid caps could break. This one shorted the 12V line on a
    graphics card, unfortunately I have a 2.5kW supply, so the tracks got
    damaged somewhat, it melted the solder, and ejected itself from the
    board. Smelt of TCP (a disinfectant), presumably from the evaporated
    paint?

    https://imgur.com/jYet0zF

    Gee, you forgot to cross-post to alt.scorekeeping.idiots and
    rec.games.ropeadope.

    What?

    alt.comp.os.windows666 etc aren't super related to a computer repair
    problem, I wouldn't have thought.

    There are computer people in there.

    Why does it concern you anyway? Just hit reply.

    Inrush can kill any electrolytic capacitor. Some are more sensitive
    than others.

    It wasn't inrushing at the time. The card had been running without a
    restart for a week or two. It's been running flat out 24/7 for the last
    year doing astrophysics stuff on Boinc.

    I've never seen one of those break though, they're always the coloured
    wet electrolytics that burst at the end and leak brown fluid.

    Looks pretty wet to me.

    What do you mean? If you're talking about the mess to the right, that's actually a piece of copper track for the ground that's burnt off the paint above it.

    Sticking that right next to the (apparently
    inadequately-sized, and certainly inadequately-vented) heat sink for the
    SMPS switches isn't a recipe for long capacitor life.

    Well it has to go somewhere, there's a lot of hot stuff on graphics cards. It also probably needs to be close to the other VRM stuff. Trouble is all these caps are also under the big heatsink for the main GPU which gives off up to 250W. That
    heatsink covers the whole card, there is nowhere cool.

    Is this a gaming machine? Overclocked, overstressed, cheap, and
    fundamentally useless?

    I never overclock. They're used to run science applications. Boinc - a volunteer projects to run biology, astrophysics, etc.

    OK. That leaves overstressed,

    No, because I run them at the designed clock speed and keep them well within their temperature limit.

    cheap,

    They're quality cards, just older. The price of new cards is absurd.

    and fundamentally useless.

    What on earth makes you say that?
    Why does anyone need a monster GPU? Serious scientific simulation?

    99+ % of PC compute power is used for gaming and bitcoin mining.

    Gaming has destroyed the brains of millions of kids. Coin mining uses
    more power that many poor countries.

    One day GPUs will run LTspice simulations so that you don't need to use a calculator to solve for resistor values.

    You don't need a processor that can do 20 trillion calculations in a second to find a resistor value.

    I run sims that take 20 minutes to simulate milliseconds of real time.

    What circuits are those? Must be something pretty complex.

    I'd love LT Spice to run on a GPU, maybe 500x faster.

    Is it using multiple CPU cores? If it's a linear calculation, a GPU won't help. GPUs do thousands of things at once, but not that fast.

    Just learn to write OpenCL code, how hard can it be?

    I found this from 10 years ago on an LT Spice forum:

    "LTspice supports multithreading using all threads(cores) of
    your CPU if the circuit is large enough.
    The majority of the circuits we have had in this group can't
    even take advantage of 8 threads. The latest 6 core CPU from
    Intel supports 12 threads (6 cores plus hyperthreading) and the
    8 core CPU with 16 threads is coming soon.
    This means the many cores are good for really large circuits
    in the simulation for IC-designs with thousands of transistors."

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Wed Aug 10 19:22:22 2022
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:25:46 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:18:57 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:29:56 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:40:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:15:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:21:42 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:36:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:15:19 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:45:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:45:09 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    One day GPUs will run LTspice simulations so that you don't need to use a calculator to solve for resistor values.

    You don't need a processor that can do 20 trillion calculations in a second to find a resistor value.

    I run sims that take 20 minutes to simulate milliseconds of real time.

    What circuits are those? Must be something pretty complex.

    Or very quick, so you need a very small maximum step size. I've ccertainly simulated circuits that simulated that slowly.

    I'd love LT Spice to run on a GPU, maybe 500x faster.

    Is it using multiple CPU cores? If it's a linear calculation, a GPU won't help. GPUs do thousands of things at once, but not that fast.

    Just learn to write OpenCL code, how hard can it be?

    Then recode Berkely Spice in OpenCL code? It clearly wouldn't be hard, but it would be tedious.

    I found this from 10 years ago on an LT Spice forum:

    "LTspice supports multithreading using all threads(cores) of
    your CPU if the circuit is large enough.
    The majority of the circuits we have had in this group can't
    even take advantage of 8 threads. The latest 6 core CPU from
    Intel supports 12 threads (6 cores plus hyperthreading) and the
    8 core CPU with 16 threads is coming soon.
    This means the many cores are good for really large circuits
    in the simulation for IC-designs with thousands of transistors."

    There were some feckless optimists around then.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From John S@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Thu Aug 11 14:37:32 2022
    On 8/10/2022 10:22 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:25:46 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 22:18:57 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:29:56 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:40:22 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 10:23:12 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:15:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 05:21:42 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:36:31 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:15:19 +0100, John Larkin <jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:45:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:45:09 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 02:14:44 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
    Commander Kinsey wrote:

    <snip>

    One day GPUs will run LTspice simulations so that you don't need to use a calculator to solve for resistor values.

    You don't need a processor that can do 20 trillion calculations in a second to find a resistor value.

    I run sims that take 20 minutes to simulate milliseconds of real time.

    What circuits are those? Must be something pretty complex.

    Or very quick, so you need a very small maximum step size. I've ccertainly simulated circuits that simulated that slowly.

    I'd love LT Spice to run on a GPU, maybe 500x faster.

    Is it using multiple CPU cores? If it's a linear calculation, a GPU won't help. GPUs do thousands of things at once, but not that fast.

    Just learn to write OpenCL code, how hard can it be?

    Then recode Berkely Spice in OpenCL code? It clearly wouldn't be hard, but it would be tedious.

    I found this from 10 years ago on an LT Spice forum:

    "LTspice supports multithreading using all threads(cores) of
    your CPU if the circuit is large enough.
    The majority of the circuits we have had in this group can't
    even take advantage of 8 threads. The latest 6 core CPU from
    Intel supports 12 threads (6 cores plus hyperthreading) and the
    8 core CPU with 16 threads is coming soon.
    This means the many cores are good for really large circuits
    in the simulation for IC-designs with thousands of transistors."

    There were some feckless optimists around then.


    I knew some optimists that had feckels.

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  • From Wond@21:1/5 to John Robertson on Fri Aug 12 14:51:17 2022
    On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 22:38:29 -0700, John Robertson wrote:

    On 2022/08/08 6:57 p.m., Paul wrote:


    The caps in the photo are wet electrolytic, but dry caps can also
    explode - Tantalum orange drop caps were notorious for that in 70s
    equipment.

    John :-#)#

    The 'orange drop' caps I knew and loved were foil/poly, not Tants.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to CK1@nospam.com on Fri Aug 12 16:42:08 2022
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:21:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:14:58 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 11:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:58:18 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 08/11/2022 09:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 04:34:31 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>>
    On 08/11/2022 11:04 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    110psi? That's shit. Mine does 5000psi. It's for scuba tanks. >>>>>>>> Actually I could clean my board with a scuba tank.

    Scuba tanks are no fun. With that compressor you could get a PCP air >>>>>>> rifle and really rock.

    https://www.umarexusa.com/2254829

    They refuse to ship to the UK!

    Figures.

    Actually they won't ship anywhere outside the states. Surely there are >>>> other countries you can use guns?

    And scuba tanks are great fun, especially naked.

    I sometimes regret not getting into scuba. When I was a kid I snorkeled >>>>> and it was a lot of fun. Maybe it's not too late.

    It's another world under there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionen_unter_Wasser

    http://www.leni-riefenstahl.de/eng/photo/p_unter.html

    "For the diving examination, her date of birth was changed from 1902 to >>>>> 1922 for at her age she was not allowed to make a diving certificate." >>>>>
    Fortunately the US has no maximum age.

    No country has any age limit, young or old. That's just for the
    official diving groups with silly regulations. Go by yourself, that's >>>> what I do. Buy your own gear on Ebay and go where you want when you
    want. You don't need lessons, you just read how to do it on google.
    There's very little to know that isn't obvious.

    Some dive shops get snarky about refilling tanks, not a problem with
    your own compressor. The context there is the PCP air gun crowd that
    have to sweet talk the dive shop into filling their tanks. A 5000 psi
    compressor isn't cheap. There are handpumps if you want to stay fit. 100 >>> or more strokes for 2200 psi.

    You want to have high pressure tanks hydroed periodically--a faulty one
    is no joke.

    Yeah right. And you should have your car serviced regularly too. I've seen pictures of tanks still in use that pass tests, covered in knocks and scrapes and rust damage on the outside, mine is in perfect condition, I'll decide when I don't think it's
    safe. Guess what, I shave my own face too.

    Sure, buddy...

    .<https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2011/09/12/fl-exploding-scuba-tank-death.bay-news-9>


    .<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuIwHJTCbY>

    Exploding Scuba Tank in L&W Explosion Safety Box (may be a fire
    extinguisher - blew at 318 Bar or a bit higher)

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Fri Aug 12 22:03:53 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop

    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:42:08 +0100, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:21:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
    <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:14:58 +0100, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 11:44 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:58:18 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 08/11/2022 09:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 04:34:31 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>>>
    On 08/11/2022 11:04 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    110psi? That's shit. Mine does 5000psi. It's for scuba tanks. >>>>>>>>> Actually I could clean my board with a scuba tank.

    Scuba tanks are no fun. With that compressor you could get a PCP air >>>>>>>> rifle and really rock.

    https://www.umarexusa.com/2254829

    They refuse to ship to the UK!

    Figures.

    Actually they won't ship anywhere outside the states. Surely there are >>>>> other countries you can use guns?

    And scuba tanks are great fun, especially naked.

    I sometimes regret not getting into scuba. When I was a kid I snorkeled >>>>>> and it was a lot of fun. Maybe it's not too late.

    It's another world under there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionen_unter_Wasser

    http://www.leni-riefenstahl.de/eng/photo/p_unter.html

    "For the diving examination, her date of birth was changed from 1902 to >>>>>> 1922 for at her age she was not allowed to make a diving certificate." >>>>>>
    Fortunately the US has no maximum age.

    No country has any age limit, young or old. That's just for the
    official diving groups with silly regulations. Go by yourself, that's >>>>> what I do. Buy your own gear on Ebay and go where you want when you >>>>> want. You don't need lessons, you just read how to do it on google. >>>>> There's very little to know that isn't obvious.

    Some dive shops get snarky about refilling tanks, not a problem with
    your own compressor. The context there is the PCP air gun crowd that
    have to sweet talk the dive shop into filling their tanks. A 5000 psi
    compressor isn't cheap. There are handpumps if you want to stay fit. 100 >>>> or more strokes for 2200 psi.

    You want to have high pressure tanks hydroed periodically--a faulty one
    is no joke.

    Yeah right. And you should have your car serviced regularly too. I've seen pictures of tanks still in use that pass tests, covered in knocks and scrapes and rust damage on the outside, mine is in perfect condition, I'll decide when I don't think it'
    s safe. Guess what, I shave my own face too.

    Sure, buddy...

    .<https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2011/09/12/fl-exploding-scuba-tank-death.bay-news-9>

    Typical bullshit reporting, no information given, how old was the tank, what did it look like? I hardly doubt my one year old tnk will have problems, they're expected to last 30 years.

    .<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuIwHJTCbY>

    Exploding Scuba Tank in L&W Explosion Safety Box (may be a fire
    extinguisher - blew at 318 Bar or a bit higher)

    Joe Gwinn

    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc. You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a
    pair of cohones and take some risks, it's fun!

    And learn how to operate your newsreader you silly child.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Aug 12 23:29:47 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop

    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/

    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype. They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large number.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Aug 12 16:20:52 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/

    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Fri Aug 12 17:47:22 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop

    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has >>> turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/


    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large number.

    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Aug 13 01:23:18 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 00:47:22 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc. >>>> You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has >>>> turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/


    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large number.

    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    I continued digging in my garden in a heavy rainstorm with lightning nearby every 15 seconds. I didn't have a hivis jacket on either!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    Pah, nothing more than a smashed kneecap.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Sat Aug 13 02:30:53 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc. >> >>> You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has >> >>> turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:

    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/


    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few would die.

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Aug 13 03:36:37 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 02:55:18 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for >>>> >>> goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world,
    everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take some >>>> >>> risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some >>>> >> drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:


    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/



    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or >>>> >> die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large number. >>>> My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you win the >>>> death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few.

    Which is as unlikely as winning the lottery, which is why I never enter.

    That is why I always had an uneasy
    feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare event. Nothing to see here, folks.

    I haven't taken the covid one, but mainly because it's unnecessary. Most people recover just fine. Me, I never even caught it, despite taking no precautions whatsoever and mingling with many folk. My sister, her husband, and their two kids caught it,
    after being vaccinated. Shows you how brilliant that idea was....

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  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Sat Aug 13 04:17:19 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for >> >>>> >>> goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world,
    everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take
    some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some >> >>>> >> drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:


    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/




    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or >> >>>> >> die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype. >> >>>> > They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large
    number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you win the >> >>>> death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I see a >> >>>> t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy
    feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare event.
    Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and
    I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms
    predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall off in 1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end badly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Aug 13 08:57:36 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 08/12/2022 09:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have
    fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world,
    everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take >>> >>>> some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger
    when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:



    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/





    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live
    free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media
    hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large
    number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you
    win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I
    see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy
    feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare event. >>> > Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and
    I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms
    predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall off in
    1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end badly.

    The gyroscopic effect is your friend. 80 mph on a bike and you have to
    work at it to do anything other than a straight line.

    I had an old ten speed that I could ride one handed but both my current bicycles are mountain bikes. Their steering geometry is twitchier than a
    road bike.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to Dean Hoffman on Sat Aug 13 21:13:52 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 13:58:34 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:17:28 PM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote: >>
    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> >> >> >>>> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world,
    everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take >> >> >>>> some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:


    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/




    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large
    number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy
    feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare event. >> >> > Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and
    I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms
    predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.
    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall off in 1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end badly.

    That's too bad. I feel like I own the world when I'm riding in the Nebraska Sandhills on a nice day.
    <https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/nebraska/remote-sandhills-ne/>

    That looks amazing. I'd love to go through there at twice the speed limit.

    I've had a few motorcycles but I have a trike now. It's easier for old people to maneuver.

    I take it you can also take a lot more luggage to go on a long trip?

    There's a world class golf course by Mullen, NE. <https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-course/sand-hills>
    Maybe I'll ride by there someday.

    I detest golf, but the courses are nice to look at.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jim Stewart ...@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 13 20:28:04 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop


    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake.  I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone has turned into big girl's blouses.  Grow a pair of cohones and take some
    risks, it's fun!

    Have I not been telling people on here to take a chance for years ?> ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Aug 13 21:11:54 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 15:57:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 09:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> >>>> >>>> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, >>>> >>>> etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have
    fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world,
    everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and take >>>> >>>> some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger
    when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:



    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/





    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live
    free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media
    hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large
    number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you
    win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I
    see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was >>>> >>> riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few >>>> >> would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy
    feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare event. >>>> > Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and
    I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms
    predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have
    difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall off in
    1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end badly.

    The gyroscopic effect is your friend. 80 mph on a bike and you have to
    work at it to do anything other than a straight line.

    But what about going round corners?

    I had an old ten speed that I could ride one handed but both my current bicycles are mountain bikes. Their steering geometry is twitchier than a
    road bike.

    I tried my friend's road bike once and couldn't get going at all, since the handlebars aren't wide enough, I can't stand those drop things, they're too narrow, not enough leverage.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Commander Kinsey on Sat Aug 13 23:22:22 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 08/13/2022 02:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 15:57:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 09:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman
    <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, >>>>> >>>> etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have >>>>> fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world,
    everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and
    take
    some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger
    when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:



    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/






    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live >>>>> free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media >>>>> hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large >>>>> >>>> number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you
    win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I >>>>> see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. He was >>>>> >>> riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't.

    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a few >>>>> >> would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy >>>>> > feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare
    event.
    Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and >>>>> I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms
    predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have
    difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall off in
    1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end badly.

    The gyroscopic effect is your friend. 80 mph on a bike and you have to
    work at it to do anything other than a straight line.

    But what about going round corners?

    Just do it. Don't think about it.

    https://www.tunedtrends.com/what-is-countersteering/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Snag@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Aug 14 06:29:49 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 8/14/2022 12:22 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/13/2022 02:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 15:57:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 09:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> >>>> On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman
    <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney
    disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have >>>>>> fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, >>>>>> >>>> everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and >>>>>> take
    some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger
    when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:



    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/







    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live >>>>>> free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media >>>>>> hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a large >>>>>> >>>> number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you >>>>>> win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I >>>>>> see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

         There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago.  He >>>>>> was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm.     Common sense isn't. >>>>>> >>
    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only a >>>>>> few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy >>>>>> > feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and
    effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare
    event.
    Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and >>>>>> I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms >>>>>> predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance.  I have
    difficulty riding a bicycle one handed.  No handed makes me fall off in >>>> 1 second.  I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end
    badly.

    The gyroscopic effect is your friend. 80 mph on a bike and you have to
    work at it to do anything other than a straight line.

    But what about going round corners?

    Just do it. Don't think about it.

    https://www.tunedtrends.com/what-is-countersteering/




    Gyroscopic Precession ...
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Snag on Sun Aug 14 11:25:49 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On 08/14/2022 05:29 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 8/14/2022 12:22 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/13/2022 02:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 15:57:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 09:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman
    <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney
    disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have >>>>>>> fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, >>>>>>> >>>> everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and >>>>>>> take
    some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger >>>>>>> when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:



    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/







    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live >>>>>>> free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media >>>>>>> hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a
    large
    number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you >>>>>>> win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I >>>>>>> see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago.
    He was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't. >>>>>>> >>
    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only >>>>>>> a few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy >>>>>>> > feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and >>>>>>> > effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare >>>>>>> event.
    Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and >>>>>>> I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms >>>>>>> predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have >>>>> difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall
    off in
    1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end
    badly.

    The gyroscopic effect is your friend. 80 mph on a bike and you have to >>>> work at it to do anything other than a straight line.

    But what about going round corners?

    Just do it. Don't think about it.

    https://www.tunedtrends.com/what-is-countersteering/




    Gyroscopic Precession ...


    You generally figure it out when you're about 10. My father would launch
    me and my maroon and creme Monkey Wards 24" bike down the driveway. It
    had enough slope I didn't have to pedal. Eventually I made it to the
    garage and had the physics down pat.

    Close to 40 years and many bikes later I took one of those MSF courses
    and the instructor explained exactly what I was doing. Screwed me up for
    a while. I figured you look left, you go left without thinking 'now I'll
    push the left bar to the right.'

    Of course if you think about what you're doing walking down the street,
    you may fall on your face. Science is nice and all, as far as it goes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Commander Kinsey@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Aug 14 20:46:08 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 18:25:49 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On 08/14/2022 05:29 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 8/14/2022 12:22 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/13/2022 02:11 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 15:57:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>
    On 08/12/2022 09:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 04:05:31 +0100, Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:01:58 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 8:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 07:30 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 01:49:15 +0100, Dean Hoffman
    <dean...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> On 08/12/2022 04:29 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 23:20:52 +0100, rbowman
    <bow...@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 03:03 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney
    disease,
    etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have >>>>>>>> fun for
    goodness sake. I'm continually amazed at the modern world, >>>>>>>> >>>> everyone has
    turned into big girl's blouses. Grow a pair of cohones and >>>>>>>> take
    some
    risks, it's fun!

    So there you are, driving down to Mickey D's for a burger >>>>>>>> when some
    drugged out psychotic bitch kills you:



    https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/la-crash-suspect-nicole-linton-has-previous-accidents-report/







    If I buy the farm in a 90mph motorcycle crash just put 'live >>>>>>>> free or
    die' on the roadside marker.

    Shit happens, but it's not that likely. People fall for media >>>>>>>> hype.
    They see 1000 killed out of 7 billion and think that's a >>>>>>>> large
    number.
    My brother-in-law got killed by lightning. Sooner or later you >>>>>>>> win the
    death lottery. That said, I don't hang around on summits when I >>>>>>>> see a
    t-storm moving in and I don't do wheelies in traffic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1YcgdZ8A0

    There was a biker buried with his helmet on years ago. >>>>>>>> He was
    riding down I-80 during a thunderstorm. Common sense isn't. >>>>>>>> >>
    Indeed, he'd have been much safer with the helmet off :-)

    But seriously, chances are if a million people did that, only >>>>>>>> a few
    would die.

    Sucks if you're one of the few. That is why I always had an uneasy >>>>>>>> > feeling about statistics particularly when it comes to safe and >>>>>>>> > effective vaccines. Young athletes dropping dead is a very rare >>>>>>>> event.
    Nothing to see here, folks.
    Wish me luck , I'm headed to Memfrica in the morning on the bike and >>>>>>>> I'll be wearing a helmet ... fortunately there are no thunderstorms >>>>>>>> predicted and I haven't taken the clotshot .
    --
    Snag
    “Free speech is my right to say what you don’t
    want to hear.” -George Orwell

    Four wheels move the body, two wheels move the soul.

    That may well be true if you have a decent sense of balance. I have >>>>>> difficulty riding a bicycle one handed. No handed makes me fall
    off in
    1 second. I've never tried a motorbike and I'm sure it would end
    badly.

    The gyroscopic effect is your friend. 80 mph on a bike and you have to >>>>> work at it to do anything other than a straight line.

    But what about going round corners?

    Just do it. Don't think about it.

    https://www.tunedtrends.com/what-is-countersteering/




    Gyroscopic Precession ...


    You generally figure it out when you're about 10. My father would launch
    me and my maroon and creme Monkey Wards 24" bike down the driveway. It
    had enough slope I didn't have to pedal. Eventually I made it to the
    garage and had the physics down pat.

    Close to 40 years and many bikes later I took one of those MSF courses
    and the instructor explained exactly what I was doing. Screwed me up for
    a while. I figured you look left, you go left without thinking 'now I'll
    push the left bar to the right.'

    Of course if you think about what you're doing walking down the street,
    you may fall on your face. Science is nice and all, as far as it goes.

    I could never learn to do something counterintuitive. My subconscious has fixed ideas.

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  • From jon@21:1/5 to Jim Stewart ... on Mon Aug 15 15:16:32 2022
    XPost: alt.home.repair, uk.d-i-y, alt.computer.workshop

    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:28:04 +0100, Jim Stewart ... wrote:


    How many people die of cancer, car accidents, kidney disease, etc, etc.
    You can't go around worrying about everything, just go have fun for
    goodness sake.  I'm continually amazed at the modern world, everyone
    has turned into big girl's blouses.  Grow a pair of cohones and take
    some risks, it's fun!

    Have I not been telling people on here to take a chance for years ?> ...


    Especially reversed connected electrolytics.

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  • From John Walliker@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Aug 17 11:10:39 2022
    On Wednesday, 17 August 2022 at 16:52:35 UTC+1, Paul wrote:
    On 8/17/2022 10:11 AM, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 12/08/2022 19:20, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Mittwoch, 10. August 2022, um 03:07:19 Uhr schrieb Brian Gregory:

    Just from water?
    That's hard to believe.

    Yes, it was normal water, but our water here contains a lot of calcium
    inside, that improves the conductivity.


    So your thinking that the water carried the +12V or -12V to a part that expected only a lower voltage? And then passed enough current for a capacitor to heat up and explode?

    I still find it hard to believe.

    I guess maybe some tiny capacitor the coupled audio in the on board audio circuit?

    But that cap is on the input side filter bank.

    Some of the R9 280x have two 2x4 pin PCIe power connectors.
    The OPs board is one of the bodged ones, where the PCB has
    holes for two 2x4, but the board is populated with one 2x3 and one 2x4.
    The board VBIOS must be programmed with an appropriate power limit,
    if the board has power management.

    https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/841/images/Sapphire_08S.jpg

    ( https://www.techspot.com/review/841-radeon-r9-280x-roundup/page6.html )

    The +12V input side, likely uses an LC filter to help prevent switching
    noise from the GPU, from getting back into the ATX supply. In this
    picture, the layout is unrolled in linear fashion so you can see the
    LC filtering the +12V coming in. On another card boardview I could find,
    one of those inductors is rated 21A, the other was rated 16A (as some
    boards use a 2x3 and a 2x4, so the inductors are allowed to be different).

    https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/00980-990x743.jpg

    ( https://www.igorslab.de/en/special-adapter-on-the-pcie-socket-of-the-graphics-card-against-load-peaks-snake-oil-or-miracle/ )

    But the capacitors are also close to their WVDC, running at
    nominally 12V with a 16V rating. If there was any kind of surge
    effect, the rail voltage across the cap could rise above 12V.

    As for the adapter that Igorslab is testing, this is a bad idea,
    because ATX supplies have a limit as to how much capacitance they
    can drive, before they lose control loop stability. This would be
    why those little toys would not be using all the capacitance
    money could buy. As an example of a number (don't use this),
    the value might be 5000uF on the thing the ATX supply is driving.
    When a motherboard designer "sprinkles" bulk decap on the mobo
    (like near PCIe slots), they cannot exceed that kind of number.
    Peripherals have to follow some sort of rules as well. Even USB items,
    like flash keys, have a limit on allowed bypass caps. (100uF sag
    protection on the mobo, 10uF max on a USB key to prevent an inrush
    problem on a shared rail.)

    Such a cap (the ruined one), is for all practical purposes
    running off +12V and GND, and cares not about water sprinkles.
    Maybe you could have electrolysis to eat the cap body, but as
    far as charging the cap to some illegal value, probably not.

    Paul

    I recently bought a PoE switch from eBay. It had been damaged by water
    ingress and the current flow was sufficient to start a fire inside it.
    I know it was water because of the rust on the inside of the steel case and
    I know there had been a fire because of the charred pcb and components
    and soot on the inside of the case.
    I did get a refund without any problems once I sent photographs - despite the "no returns" statement in the listing.

    John

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