• Re: Russians are facing severe consequences to Ukrainian invasion

    From John Larkin@21:1/5 to soar2morrow@yahoo.com on Sun Aug 7 17:54:53 2022
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 7 17:47:55 2022
    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sun Aug 7 20:54:23 2022
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.

    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.

    --
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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Aug 9 06:08:07 2022
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.

    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.

    Meanwhile, the blow to the image of military might by Russia, is enormous. If Russia didn't have nuclear capability, I suspect any number of other countries would be involved in the fighting, and it would already be over.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ricky on Tue Aug 9 10:29:40 2022
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.

    Don't worry about Putin/Xi faces. Send more missiles to Ukraine/Taiwan.

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Ricky on Tue Aug 9 14:56:47 2022
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.

    Meanwhile, the blow to the image of military might by Russia, is enormous. If Russia didn't have nuclear capability, I suspect any number of other countries would be involved in the fighting, and it would already be over.

    --

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    Putin is having some serious medical issues and may want a big victory under his belt before he dies or is deposed.

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Tue Aug 9 16:02:38 2022
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:29:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.
    Don't worry about Putin/Xi faces. Send more missiles to Ukraine/Taiwan.

    Let's face it. If China wants to invade Taiwan, they will take out a few military objectives then land troops and be done with it.

    That's what should have happened in Ukraine, but the Russian army has aged other than gracefully it would seem. I don't think the Chinese military will have that problem. Their weapons are new, shiny and they are ready to get them dirty. I can't say
    how they would fare against our military, but I think it is unlikely that we will be involved directly unless attacked. We probably wouldn't even have ships in the area.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ricky on Tue Aug 9 23:51:03 2022
    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:eec4b64b-4720-420e-a380-cf3e551ad5d2n@googlegroups.com:

    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:29:44 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4,
    bill....@ieee.org wrote
    :
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin
    wrote:

    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which
    results in
    many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list
    is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is
    geographically lar
    ge, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder
    to use th
    e weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and
    conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't
    achieve th
    e first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and
    persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why
    else wa
    s the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were
    both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way
    for Rus
    sia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.
    Don't worry about Putin/Xi faces. Send more missiles to
    Ukraine/Taiwan.

    Let's face it. If China wants to invade Taiwan, they will take
    out a few military objectives then land troops and be done with
    it.

    That's what should have happened in Ukraine, but the Russian army
    has aged other than gracefully it would seem. I don't think the
    Chinese military will have that problem. Their weapons are new,
    shiny and they are ready to get them dirty. I can't say how they
    would fare against our military, but I think it is unlikely that
    we will be involved directly unless attacked. We probably
    wouldn't even have ships in the area.

    I can say for certain and so can the Russian military commanders...
    that Chinese rubber sucks big time. You can almost watch it dry
    rotting. There were a lot of Russian armored troop carriers with 6
    huge chinese tires on each that had severe rubber rot problems,
    causing huge numbers of field failures.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Ricky on Tue Aug 9 23:42:06 2022
    Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:fc28e85f-17c3- 42d9-a47f-e1059bdd229fn@googlegroups.com:

    Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long?

    Because tricky Dicky wanted 5500 more dead "hoodlums".

    Oh, and he "did not want the US to lose face..." His words.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Tue Aug 9 17:35:37 2022
    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 7:56:52 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.

    Meanwhile, the blow to the image of military might by Russia, is enormous. If Russia didn't have nuclear capability, I suspect any number of other countries would be involved in the fighting, and it would already be over.

    Putin is having some serious medical issues and may want a big victory under his belt before he dies or is deposed.

    The same kind as Gnatguy. Senile dementia is a bitch. Wanting a big victory when you haven't got the army that can deliver it is understandable, but even somebody as intellectually crippled as Gnatguy should know that it isn't going to happen.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Aug 10 19:51:34 2022
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:35:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 7:56:52 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
    <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.

    Meanwhile, the blow to the image of military might by Russia, is enormous. If Russia didn't have nuclear capability, I suspect any number of other countries would be involved in the fighting, and it would already be over.

    Putin is having some serious medical issues and may want a big victory under his belt before he dies or is deposed.
    The same kind as Gnatguy. Senile dementia is a bitch.

    SNIPPERMAN speaks with PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    Wanting a big victory when you haven't got the army that can deliver it is understandable, but even somebody as intellectually crippled as Gnatguy should know that it isn't going to happen.

    See what I mean?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Thu Aug 11 00:18:19 2022
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 5:35:41 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 7:56:52 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 6:08:12 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 11:54:28 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:55:04 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:47:55 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Most foreign companies are pulling out of Russia, which results in many severe consequences for Russian industries. Top of the list is commercial aviation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOO11tywbM

    Germany did something similar. Twice.
    Germany was bigger, relatively speaking. Russia is geographically large, but it's industrial output is about the same as Texas.

    Europe and America seem happy to use Ukranian cannon fodder to use the weapons they supply to chew up Russia's stocks of weapons and conscripts.

    It's strategic imbecility on the Russian side. They didn't achieve the first strike success that they clearly hoped for, and persistence isn't paying off the way it needs to justify continued expenditure.
    Just as with all governments, there is a need to save face. Why else was the US in Vietnam and the rest of SE Asia for so long? Why were both the Soviet Union and the US in Afghanistan so long?

    The war would have likely already ended if there had been a way for Russia and Putin to save face and declare a victory.

    Meanwhile, the blow to the image of military might by Russia, is enormous. If Russia didn't have nuclear capability, I suspect any number of other countries would be involved in the fighting, and it would already be over.

    Putin is having some serious medical issues and may want a big victory under his belt before he dies or is deposed.
    The same kind as Gnatguy. Senile dementia is a bitch.

    Sloman speaks with PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    Of Gnatguy's dementia. My father's mother had it, but it didn't make her as unpleasant as Gnatguy.

    Wanting a big victory when you haven't got the army that can deliver it is understandable, but even somebody as intellectually crippled as Gnatguy should know that it isn't going to happen.

    See what I mean?

    Irony. We can see what Gnatguy thinks, and he can't see that he isn't thinking all that well.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to William Sloman on Thu Aug 11 09:40:27 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:18:19 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <e5c2ad93-80d8-447e-af8a-0e36bdb9e82fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    Sloman speaks with PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    Of Gnatguy's dementia. My father's mother had it, but it didn't make her as unpleasant as Gnatguy.

    Wanting a big victory when you haven't got the army that can deliver it is understandable, but even somebody as
    intellectually crippled as Gnatguy should know that it isn't going to happen.

    See what I mean?

    Irony. We can see what Gnatguy thinks, and he can't see that he isn't thinking all that well.

    The war in Ukrain is just a US plot to keep the Military Industrial Complex funded
    suck the US taxpayers for ever more money and use NATO to sell weapons to Europe
    at the same time creating poverty in Europe and suffering because of inflation and lack of fuel and power in the coming winter,
    EU is hurting its own citizens using its US CIA puppet leaders
    all puppets of ByeThen and his criminal son who are puppets of the US Military Complex.
    US does not win wars, it just wants to last the ones they create and participate in as long as possible ...
    Vietnam, Afghanistan...
    Now, with the FBI invading ex Precedent Trump's house a civil war in the US is on the horizon.
    Obviously a political motivated FBI move.
    Sure Trump was not strict in truth, but neither was any of the later US presidents.

    Where will it go?
    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of Russia, most are Russian speaking
    and Shitkensky clearly violated previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    Nuclear war is on the horizon, I can see Kiev a target
    Shitlensky is attacking nuclear plants now under control of Russia,
    endangering all of Europe.

    So he MUST GO.
    Cannot be that hard for Russia to figure out where he is at any given time and send him an explosive
    message.
    I would.
    In Kiev? nuke it, peace now, WHAT Ukrainian government?
    If US counter attacks next one is on ByeThen's residence
    We are used to radiation here by now after Tjernobyl
    Radiation counts were still normal this morning.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 11 10:26:51 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:td2ir1$24usp$1@dont-email.me:

    The war in Ukrain is just a US plot to keep the Military
    Industrial Complex funded

    You are a goddamned total retard. Putin invaded Ukraine all on his
    own.

    You are worse than that other absolute idiot Alex Jones.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 11 03:55:48 2022
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:40:57 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:18:19 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <e5c2ad93-80d8-447e...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

    Sloman speaks with PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    Of Gnatguy's dementia. My father's mother had it, but it didn't make her as unpleasant as Gnatguy.

    Wanting a big victory when you haven't got the army that can deliver it is understandable, but even somebody as
    intellectually crippled as Gnatguy should know that it isn't going to happen.

    See what I mean?

    Irony. We can see what Gnatguy thinks, and he can't see that he isn't thinking all that well.

    The war in Ukraine is just a US plot to keep the Military Industrial Complex funded
    suck the US taxpayers for ever more money and use NATO to sell weapons to Europe
    at the same time creating poverty in Europe and suffering because of inflation
    and lack of fuel and power in the coming winter.

    Since Russia invaded the Ukraine, the proposition that their invasion is some kind US plot, make's Putin a catspaw of the Americans.

    Even Gnatguy wouldn't be silly enough to suggest that.

    EU is hurting its own citizens using its US CIA puppet leaders all puppets of Biden and his criminal son who are puppets of the US Military Complex.

    So Biden got to influence EU elections before he'd gotten elected in the US. It would have been a neat trick if he had pulled it off, but it doesn't make a plausible story.

    US does not win wars, it just wants to last the ones they create and participate in as long as possible ... Vietnam, Afghanistan...

    They did manage to get on the winning side in WW2. Since then they have been less persistent.

    Now, with the FBI invading ex Precedent Trump's house a civil war in the US is on the horizon.

    January 6 was the first battle in that war, and Trump started it. The raid on Mar-a-Lago might be seen as a counter-attack, but it's actually part of a legal investigation and nothing like war.

    Obviously a political motivated FBI move.

    Trump's failure to understand what politics is about is what made the FBI investigation necessary. Trump isn't actually motivated by politics - he doesn't understand the concept - so political motivations don't come into it.

    Sure Trump was not strict in truth, but neither was any of the later US presidents.

    Trump lied a lot more than any of his predecessors. or his successor Biden.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2021/04/30/who-lied-more-during-their-first-100-days-biden-trump-or-obama/?sh=51300a9c1a89

    Where will it go?
    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of Russia, most are Russian speaking
    and Shitkensky clearly violated previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    Nuclear war is on the horizon, I can see Kiev a target
    Zelensky is attacking nuclear plants now under control of Russia, endangering all of Europe.

    Really? Russia attacked them to get control of them in the first place, which was rather more irresponsible.

    So he MUST GO.

    By Jan Panteltje's bizarre logic.

    Cannot be that hard for Russia to figure out where he is at any given time and send him an explosive message.

    Curious that nobody has sent one to Putin. Invading the Ukraine would seem to be more dangerously irresponsible than defendig the place.

    I would.

    But Jan Panteltje is nuts.

    In Kiev? nuke it, peace now, WHAT Ukrainian government?
    If US counter attacks next one is on Biden's residence.

    If Russia has anything left to counterattack with.

    We are used to radiation here by now after Chernobyl.

    An all-out nuclear exchange would be rather different. Drop an atomic bomb on a nuclear reactor and you spread out a lot more radioactive material than Chernobly did.

    Radiation counts were still normal this morning.

    As measured by Jan's ever-so-well-designed equipment.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 11 10:31:31 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:td2ir1$24usp$1 @dont-email.me:

    EU is hurting its own citizens

    This Jan Pan total retard has really gone off the deep end.

    You should nuke yourself, jackass.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to William Sloman on Thu Aug 11 12:05:02 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 03:55:48 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <2c42a698-2ecb-49a3-8f71-7cd5760fa703n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:40:57 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:18:19 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
    <e5c2ad93-80d8-447e...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

    Sloman speaks with PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    Of Gnatguy's dementia. My father's mother had it, but it didn't make her as unpleasant as Gnatguy.

    Wanting a big victory when you haven't got the army that can deliver it is understandable, but even somebody as
    intellectually crippled as Gnatguy should know that it isn't going to happen.

    See what I mean?

    Irony. We can see what Gnatguy thinks, and he can't see that he isn't thinking all that well.

    The war in Ukraine is just a US plot to keep the Military Industrial Complex funded
    suck the US taxpayers for ever more money and use NATO to sell weapons to Europe
    at the same time creating poverty in Europe and suffering because of inflation
    and lack of fuel and power in the coming winter.

    Since Russia invaded the Ukraine, the proposition that their invasion is some kind US plot, make's Putin a catspaw of the
    Americans.

    Well, if you go back a few years in history at least *I* do remember the CIA plot to overthrow the Ukrainian government
    that succeeded.


    Even Gnatguy wouldn't be silly enough to suggest that.

    EU is hurting its own citizens using its US CIA puppet leaders all puppets of Biden and his criminal son who are puppets of
    the US Military Complex.

    So Biden got to influence EU elections before he'd gotten elected in the US. It would have been a neat trick if he had pulled it
    off, but it doesn't make a plausible story.

    NATO is an US controlled attack force, been used that way several times.
    NATO is anti-commies fanatics, I know, I went there for an interview:
    "Mr Panteltje you know we do not want any commies here" said the general to me.
    I replied "commies are also people"
    came out of my mouth just like that :-)
    So I applied for - and got an other job.
    No problem defending my country, but joining a bunch of brain dead commie paranoias can only lead to disaster...

    Totally absurd preoccupied with hating commies NATO / US is.


    US does not win wars, it just wants to last the ones they create and participate in as long as possible ... Vietnam,
    Afghanistan...

    They did manage to get on the winning side in WW2. Since then they have been less persistent.

    Germany in WW2 was mostly defeated by Russia, including grabbing Hitler.
    US was mostly fighting Japan in the Pacific war.

    Now, with the FBI invading ex Precedent Trump's house a civil war in the US is on the horizon.

    January 6 was the first battle in that war, and Trump started it. The raid on Mar-a-Lago might be seen as a counter-attack,
    but it's actually part of a legal investigation and nothing like war.

    Obviously a political motivated FBI move.

    Trump's failure to understand what politics is about is what made the FBI investigation necessary. Trump isn't actually
    motivated by politics - he doesn't understand the concept - so political motivations don't come into it.

    Well I think he very well understands how to play people, the masses, something politics does and is these days.


    Sure Trump was not strict in truth, but neither was any of the later US presidents.

    Trump lied a lot more than any of his predecessors. or his successor Biden.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarkowitz/2021/04/30/who-lied-more-during-their-first-100-days-biden-trump-or-obama/?sh=51300a9
    c1a89

    Yea..


    Where will it go?
    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of Russia, most are Russian speaking
    and Shitkensky clearly violated previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    Nuclear war is on the horizon, I can see Kiev a target
    Zelensky is attacking nuclear plants now under control of Russia, endangering all of Europe.

    Really? Russia attacked them to get control of them in the first place, which was rather more irresponsible.

    So he MUST GO.

    By Jan Panteltje's bizarre logic.

    Cannot be that hard for Russia to figure out where he is at any given time and send him an explosive message.

    Curious that nobody has sent one to Putin. Invading the Ukraine would seem to be more dangerously irresponsible than defendig
    the place.

    I would.

    But Jan Panteltje is nuts.

    I went to the nut-house, and left, think they made a movie of that later, "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest" or something
    Poor professor that had to put up with me, he broke down and lost temper in the end when I said goodbye!


    In Kiev? nuke it, peace now, WHAT Ukrainian government?
    If US counter attacks next one is on Biden's residence.

    If Russia has anything left to counterattack with.

    They have not even started using things yet.



    We are used to radiation here by now after Chernobyl.

    An all-out nuclear exchange would be rather different. Drop an atomic bomb on a nuclear reactor and you spread out a lot more
    radioactive material than Chernobly did.

    Radiation counts were still normal this morning.

    As measured by Jan's ever-so-well-designed equipment.

    Yes, compared to the next to zero designs you designed, build, and showed here: I'v done it all
    Nice gamma spectrometer here too, something others here only babble about


    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    I'd expect hanging upside down down-under with the extra blood flowing to your head would increase brain functioning, how does that work?
    Planning to go back to the Netherlands for a reset?

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 11 09:13:06 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    On 08/11/2022 06:05 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    Well, if you go back a few years in history at least *I* do remember the CIA plot to overthrow the Ukrainian government
    that succeeded.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

    She's baaaack...

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 11 10:35:23 2022
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:40:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of Russia, most are Russian speaking
    and Shitkensky clearly violated previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    The people in Donbas weren't voting in a sanctioned and normal inspected election,
    and the vote count happened during military surprise attack (by a small number of
    nonuniformed "covert" Russian troops, mainly assaulting at government buildings).
    Russian heavy weapons like the antiaircraft battery that took down Malasia airlines MH14 were also clearly in place.

    Crimea 'voted' 6 March 2014.
    Putin acknowledged the troop presence afterward, in April 2014.

    Internet and other communications during and after those events were
    dominated by Moscow, and the 'election results' was just a Russian invention.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu Aug 11 18:19:27 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 10:35:23 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in <a8b6ea01-f471-4446-9fcc-a546db997f83n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:40:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of Russia, most are Russian speaking
    and Shitkensky clearly violated previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    The people in Donbas weren't voting in a sanctioned and normal inspected election,
    and the vote count happened during military surprise attack (by a small number of
    nonuniformed "covert" Russian troops, mainly assaulting at government buildings).
    Russian heavy weapons like the antiaircraft battery that took down Malasia >airlines MH14 were also clearly in place.

    Crimea 'voted' 6 March 2014.
    Putin acknowledged the troop presence afterward, in April 2014.

    Internet and other communications during and after those events were >dominated by Moscow, and the 'election results' was just a Russian invention.

    Yea and Iraq was full of weapons of mass destruction...
    'merrican media
    Still waiting for CNN to mention the crimes of ByeThen's son.

    And
    when the international court in The Hague wanted to prosecute US solders
    for war crimes in Iraq Double You Bushman threatened to intervene
    so nobody was sentenced.

    Nobody has sentenced doctor Faulty yet, todays Mengele, covid experimenter
    on ALL of humanity!!!!!

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  • From Mike Monett@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Thu Aug 11 19:09:42 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:40:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of
    Russia, most are Russian speaking and Shitkensky clearly violated
    previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    The people in Donbas weren't voting in a sanctioned and normal inspected election, and the vote count happened during military surprise attack
    (by a small number of nonuniformed "covert" Russian troops, mainly
    assaulting at government buildings). Russian heavy weapons like the antiaircraft battery that took down Malasia airlines MH14 were also
    clearly in place.

    Crimea 'voted' 6 March 2014.
    Putin acknowledged the troop presence afterward, in April 2014.

    Internet and other communications during and after those events were dominated by Moscow, and the 'election results' was just a Russian
    invention.

    The Russian election is not recognized by the international community. It
    will have no effect on the war and Ukraine's determination to take back
    their country. Anyone who wants to remain Russian can evacuate back to
    Russia.

    The major effect will be when Ukrain takes down the Crimea bridge. I've
    been thinking of different ways to do it. One way might be to plant
    explosives against the piers under water, a la Dambusters. The problem is
    how to get them there, and how to to trigger them. But just blowing holes
    in the road or twisting the rails won't work. The bridge has to be taken
    down.




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    MRM

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Mike Monett on Thu Aug 11 13:03:49 2022
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:09:49 PM UTC-7, Mike Monett wrote:
    whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 2:40:57 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:

    The Ukrainian people in Donbas had clearly voted to remain part of
    Russia, most are Russian speaking and Shitkensky clearly violated
    previous peace treaties by bombing places in Donbas,

    The people in Donbas weren't voting in a sanctioned and normal inspected election, and the vote count happened during military surprise attack
    (by a small number of nonuniformed "covert" Russian troops, mainly assaulting at government buildings). Russian heavy weapons like the antiaircraft battery that took down Malasia airlines MH14 were also
    clearly in place.

    Crimea 'voted' 6 March 2014.
    Putin acknowledged the troop presence afterward, in April 2014.

    Internet and other communications during and after those events were dominated by Moscow, and the 'election results' was just a Russian invention.
    The Russian election is not recognized by the international community. It will have no effect on the war and Ukraine's determination to take back
    their country. Anyone who wants to remain Russian can evacuate back to Russia.

    The major effect will be when Ukrain takes down the Crimea bridge. I've
    been thinking of different ways to do it. One way might be to plant explosives against the piers under water, a la Dambusters. The problem is
    how to get them there, and how to to trigger them. But just blowing holes
    in the road or twisting the rails won't work. The bridge has to be taken down.

    After taking Kherson and surrounding area, the bridge will be within range of the new missiles. The missiles are probably aided with western technologies.

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  • From Mike Monett@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 11 20:02:42 2022
    There can be no topic more important than the Ukraine war. The political
    and economic devastation on the planet is incalculable, and the loss of
    life is a tragic waste.

    For those who are interested, I have compiled a list of various sites that discuss recent events in Ukraine. Some are better than others - I placed
    the two best and most reliable at the top of the list.

    The Russian Dude <- very good. My top source https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRussianDude/videos

    Combat Veteran Reacts <- very good (loud) https://www.youtube.com/c/CombatVeteranReacts/videos

    Artur Rehi
    https://www.youtube.com/c/arturrehi/videos

    CRUX
    https://www.youtube.com/c/CRUXnews/videos

    Peter Ziehan Economy And Geopolitics https://www.youtube.com/c/EconomyAndGeopolitics/videos

    FRANCE 24 English - some Ukraine news https://www.youtube.com/c/FRANCE24English/videos

    Joe Blogs <- good review of economics resulting from the war https://www.youtube.com/c/JoeBlogs/videos

    Lena News
    https://www.youtube.com/c/LenaNewss/videos

    Newslab
    https://www.youtube.com/c/Newslab0/videos

    Speak The Truth <- very boring. depends on Russian News https://www.youtube.com/c/SpeakTheTruth1/videos

    Stone News
    https://www.youtube.com/c/StoneNews/videos

    The Sun
    https://www.youtube.com/c/thesun/videos

    TLDR News EU
    https://www.youtube.com/c/TLDRNewsEU/videos

    Untold News
    https://www.youtube.com/c/UntoldNews123/videos

    Warthog Defense
    https://www.youtube.com/c/WarthogProduction/videos

    36 Update
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_lhKBhtwVdCbHnOwvqWy3Q/videos

    US Daily Brief
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbue2DdTM_S5LPvPeOYyP3A/videos

    U.S Daily News
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5PgcN1EK-2M0PwgLY9LOA/videos

    War in Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg/videos

    U.S Military News https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqQOZUzmRhGLUj6sXXl0zBg/videos

    US Secret Agenda https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYYAo4actN90lemgcjdzSFg/videos

    UK news
    https://www.youtube.com/user/pnolfoak/videos

    TVP World
    https://www.youtube.com/c/TVPWorld/videos
    - TVP is a Polish public broadcast service

    I often do a general sweep to see if there are any other posts on Ukraine
    that these sites missed. But you have to be careful. There are often fake Russian news sites, game sites such as MilSim, and other crud to avoid:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ukraine+war




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    MRM

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  • From three_jeeps@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 11 13:11:31 2022
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:05:35 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 03:55:48 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <2c42a698-2ecb-49a3...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:40:57 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:18:19 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
    <e5c2ad93-80d8-447e...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    snip

    "> Germany in WW2 was mostly defeated by Russia, including grabbing Hitler.
    US was mostly fighting Japan in the Pacific war."

    Ummm, not quite correct....Look up Omaha, Gold, Juno, Sword beaches and Germany's Western Front.
    Also the invasion of Italy meeting up with Pattons push from the west. Paralleled by massive bombing of Germany by B-24s and with the British, taking on the Lufwaffel stationed in Amsterdam, Brussels.
    Hardly 'Germany being mostly defeated by Russia'
    Yea, the Russians mounted and were able to maintain a counteroffensive when the Germans got to Kursk, Leningrad and Kiev. They did get to Hitler about 1-2 days before the US got there.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 11 19:41:48 2022
    On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:11:35 AM UTC+10, three_jeeps wrote:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:05:35 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 03:55:48 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <2c42a698-2ecb-49a3...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:40:57 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> On a sunny day (Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:18:19 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
    <e5c2ad93-80d8-447e...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 12:51:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    snip
    "> Germany in WW2 was mostly defeated by Russia, including grabbing Hitler.
    US was mostly fighting Japan in the Pacific war."
    Ummm, not quite correct....Look up Omaha, Gold, Juno, Sword beaches and Germany's Western Front.
    Also the invasion of Italy meeting up with Pattons push from the west.

    Look at the numbers. The Western Front was always a side-show. It made the Russian's job a lot easier, but the Russians had 6.5 million troops on the ground. and the allies in the west never had more than 4.5 million.

    Paralleled by massive bombing of Germany by B-24s and with the British, taking on the Lufwaffe stationed in Amsterdam, Brussels.

    It helped, but what really made a difference was the use of air-power to disable the German railway system which happened very late in the war.

    Hardly 'Germany being mostly defeated by Russia'

    Look at the numbers.

    Yea, the Russians mounted and were able to maintain a counteroffensive when the Germans got to Kursk, Leningrad and Kiev. They did get to Hitler about 1-2 days before the US got there.

    The western Allies would have had a much tougher job if the Russians hadn't basically defeated the German in the east before D-day.

    The Russian offensive around Kursk was successfully concluded on the 23rd August 1943, almost a year before D-day. The western Allies success in Italy had helped, but Kursk was a much larger battle. and marks the point where the Russians had started
    beating the Germans.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 12 15:14:17 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:td2ra7$25p0e$1@dont-email.me:


    Germany in WW2 was mostly defeated by Russia, including grabbing
    Hitler. US was mostly fighting Japan in the Pacific war.


    You are an absolute idiot. You do not even know what a battle front
    is, much less two or three.

    You have been mostly defeated by your own utter stupidity.

    Ooops, that just popped out of my mouth.

    Yes, stupid fuck... communism is fucking lame.

    Ohhh, looky... so did that.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 12 15:20:18 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:td2ra7$25p0e$1@dont-email.me:

    Yes, compared to the next to zero designs you designed, build, and
    showed here: I'v done it all Nice gamma spectrometer here too,
    something others here only babble about



    You are an idiot. You ONLY babble pablum.

    Whatever you designed, you were over exposed.

    That is one reason why your drivel shows severe addling.

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 12 15:16:00 2022
    XPost: us.politics

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:td2ra7$25p0e$1 @dont-email.me:

    They have not even started using things yet.


    You are an idiot.

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 18 18:48:06 2022
    On 2022-08-11, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Nobody has sentenced doctor Faulty yet, todays Mengele, covid experimenter
    on ALL of humanity!!!!!

    For xxxx's sake - which planet are you on?
    Or have you just stopped taking the meds?

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jj@franjam.org.uk on Fri Aug 19 05:02:48 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:48:06 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote in <slrntft2b6.d0j.jj@iridium.wf32df>:

    On 2022-08-11, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Nobody has sentenced doctor Faulty yet, todays Mengele, covid experimenter >> on ALL of humanity!!!!!

    For xxxx's sake - which planet are you on?
    Or have you just stopped taking the meds?

    Planet earth, stardate ???
    Yes, Faulty was at the source of the bat experiments that were considered too dangerous
    even by US DOD.
    He should be convicted for crimes against humanity.
    As should all those US destruction machine leaders and their puppets like you.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Aug 18 23:15:46 2022
    On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:05:04 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:48:06 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Jim Jackson
    <j...@franjam.org.uk> wrote in <slrntft2...@iridium.wf32df>:
    On 2022-08-11, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Nobody has sentenced doctor Faulty yet, todays Mengele, covid experimenter >> on ALL of humanity!!!!!

    For xxxx's sake - which planet are you on?
    Or have you just stopped taking the meds?

    Planet earth, stardate ???
    Yes, Faulty was at the source of the bat experiments

    So, it's a guilt-by-association argument? But the 'bat experiments' were on a different
    continent than Dr. Fauci.

    that were considered too dangerous
    even by US DOD.

    Huh? US DOD doesn't publish biohazard assessments.

    He should be convicted for crimes against humanity.

    Not on the basis of anything you know.

    As should all those US destruction machine leaders and their puppets like you.

    Who pulls the strings on Jan Panteltje, one wonders?

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Fri Aug 19 10:26:06 2022
    3On a sunny day (Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:15:46 -0700 (PDT)) it happened whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in <97144fa6-3085-4e77-99c6-728fcc584487n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:05:04 PM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:48:06 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Jim Jackson
    <j...@franjam.org.uk> wrote in <slrntft2...@iridium.wf32df>:
    On 2022-08-11, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Nobody has sentenced doctor Faulty yet, todays Mengele, covid experimenter
    on ALL of humanity!!!!!

    For xxxx's sake - which planet are you on?
    Or have you just stopped taking the meds?

    Planet earth, stardate ???
    Yes, Faulty was at the source of the bat experiments

    So, it's a guilt-by-association argument? But the 'bat experiments' were on a different
    continent than Dr. Fauci.

    It was, as US always does with very dangerous experiments, AND WARS!!!, placed in a far from their bed place.
    The Chinese lab was funded by Faulty.
    It backfired in a big way.

    that were considered too dangerous
    even by US DOD.

    Huh? US DOD doesn't publish biohazard assessments.

    Papers and lab reports have been on the internet, easily found back then for anyone with a real interest, I have read those.


    He should be convicted for crimes against humanity.

    Not on the basis of anything you know.

    Always people who never did their homework seem to know what others do not or do know... :-)
    Its so easy to watch CNN and some other mass manipulation channels and sing along!!!!


    As should all those US destruction machine leaders and their puppets like you.

    Who pulls the strings on Jan Panteltje, one wonders?

    I have been a rebel from very young age, but then I was not delivered by storks like you earthlings,
    but it was obvious to most that I was dropped by a flying cup and saucer. earthlings tried to make me dance but it never really worked.

    Nothing to worry about earthlings! you are just a chemical reaction
    and your leaders are even afraid to acknowledge that there are more reactions like that all over the place
    you refer to as 'universe' (Mars Viking lander experiment was positive for life)
    There may well be a place where aliens keep humans in cages and use human models like we use 'mouse models'
    to make their medicines and weapons.
    Even after sun ends your reactions...
    You ain't seen nothing yet.

    Yet all reactions are in a way predicatable:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/561016-russia-relations-north-korea/

    https://www.rt.com/news/561108-orban-ukraine-conflict-end-western-hegemony/

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