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    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 09:03:54 2022
    The fools don't know they're being manipulated by taking advantage of their lack of education and low emotional IQs. We have the same evil bunch in the U.S. But anyway now we know where some of these UK fools on SED come from.

    Dismissal, denial and delayism are the tactics used.

    "If the revelations about fossil fuel companies’ suppression of the science weren’t enough to convince us that the wealthiest are waging a war against the public, let the ‘culture of fear’ narrative perpetuated by today’s news magnates make it
    clear. It is not over."

    He/she should note their wealth derives from the public.

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/behind-the-scenes-of-british-medias-climate-denial/

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 3 11:08:35 2022
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth,
    as has been studied by NASA for 60 years

    Antropogenic Global Warming fake
    by Al Gore, Prof. Mann and his IPCC team, by UNFCC Bonn agency
    is dead horse today,
    replaced by

    Short Term Climate Changes

    supported by
    Climate Changes tautology
    by Heraclitus
    Everything flows, Panta rhei

    Your efforts to fool the people on Usenet make no sense
    since
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes are for real

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Aug 3 12:55:27 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:08:39 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth, ...

    It's becoming more and more apparent you're a mass ejection of some kind.

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate. And NASA knows. Everything you're saying is total bunk.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Aug 3 13:33:54 2022
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:08:39 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth, ...

    It's becoming more and more apparent you're a mass ejection of some kind.

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.

    Who at NASA dares to make this claim ?

    There is only a single researcher at NASA, who has been studying CMEs, flares for 30 years.

    ==
    CMEs reach velocities from 20 to 3,200 km/s (12 to 1,988 mi/s) with an average speed of 489 km/s (304 mi/s), based on SOHO/LASCO measurements between 1996 and 2003.[9] These speeds correspond to transit times from the Sun out to the mean radius of Earth'
    s orbit of about 13 hours to 86 days (extremes), with about 3.5 days as the average. The average mass ejected is 1.6×1012 kg (3.5×1012 lb). However, the estimated mass values for CMEs are only lower limits, because coronagraph measurements provide only
    two-dimensional data.

    . The current best estimate for the mass of Earth is M🜨 = 5.9722×10**24 kg

    The average mass ejected is 1.6×10**12 kg (3.5×10**12 lb).

    But there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    And there is a working model of Earth's climate at UN HQ New York, fit to study how CMEs impact Short-Term Climate Changes

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Aug 3 15:02:26 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:08:39 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth, ...

    It's becoming more and more apparent you're a mass ejection of some kind.

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.
    Who at NASA dares to make this claim ?

    It's not a claim, it's a counter to a 'claim' that would have to
    be an acceptable scientific hypothesis to be worth considering.

    There's no correlation to solar 'activity' and warming, so
    the hypothesis hasn't any evidential support. That kind of thing,
    you don't formally study; it isn't interesting enough.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Wed Aug 3 15:00:17 2022
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    The fools don't know they're being manipulated by taking advantage of their lack of education and low emotional IQs. We have the same evil bunch in the U.S. But anyway now we know where some of these UK fools on SED come from.

    Dismissal, denial and delayism are the tactics used.

    "If the revelations about fossil fuel companies suppression of the science werent enough to convince us that the wealthiest are waging a war against the public, let the culture of fear narrative perpetuated by todays news magnates make it clear. It
    is not over."

    He/she should note their wealth derives from the public.

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/behind-the-scenes-of-british-medias-climate-denial/


    I wish the US press would get abord with some good denial.

    A winter of cold and dark and insane energy prices will change some
    public opinions in England and Germany.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Aug 3 15:04:00 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:33:58 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:08:39 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth, ...

    It's becoming more and more apparent you're a mass ejection of some kind.

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.
    Who at NASA dares to make this claim ?

    There is only a single researcher at NASA, who has been studying CMEs, flares for 30 years.

    ==
    CMEs reach velocities from 20 to 3,200 km/s (12 to 1,988 mi/s) with an average speed of 489 km/s (304 mi/s), based on SOHO/LASCO measurements between 1996 and 2003.[9] These speeds correspond to transit times from the Sun out to the mean radius of
    Earth's orbit of about 13 hours to 86 days (extremes), with about 3.5 days as the average. The average mass ejected is 1.6×1012 kg (3.5×1012 lb). However, the estimated mass values for CMEs are only lower limits, because coronagraph measurements
    provide only two-dimensional data.

    . The current best estimate for the mass of Earth is M🜨 = 5.9722×10**24 kg

    The average mass ejected is 1.6×10**12 kg (3.5×10**12 lb).

    But there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    And there is a working model of Earth's climate at UN HQ New York, fit to study how CMEs impact Short-Term Climate Changes


    You're not real good with numbers, or understanding physics for that matter. That kind of lightning fast superheated tera-mass would take out an entire city and kill millions of people. We just don't see anything like that happening. So there must be
    something fundamentally wrong with your thinking, or lack thereof.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Aug 3 15:15:33 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 6:00:28 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The fools don't know they're being manipulated by taking advantage of their lack of education and low emotional IQs. We have the same evil bunch in the U.S. But anyway now we know where some of these UK fools on SED come from.

    Dismissal, denial and delayism are the tactics used.

    "If the revelations about fossil fuel companies’ suppression of the science weren’t enough to convince us that the wealthiest are waging a war against the public, let the ‘culture of fear’ narrative perpetuated by today’s news magnates make
    it clear. It is not over."

    He/she should note their wealth derives from the public.

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/behind-the-scenes-of-british-medias-climate-denial/
    I wish the US press would get abord with some good denial.

    A winter of cold and dark and insane energy prices will change some
    public opinions in England and Germany.

    Here's a NASA heat map of the U.S. You have a similar situation globally. If that isn't a picture of hell on Earth I don't what is:
    https://gizmodo.com/this-heat-map-of-the-u-s-is-yikes-1849361862
    It's only going to get worse, much worse.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Aug 3 15:57:29 2022
    On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 00:04:03 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:33:58 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:08:39 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth, ...

    It's becoming more and more apparent you're a mass ejection of some kind.

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.
    Who at NASA dares to make this claim ?

    There is only a single researcher at NASA, who has been studying CMEs, flares for 30 years.

    ==
    CMEs reach velocities from 20 to 3,200 km/s (12 to 1,988 mi/s) with an average speed of 489 km/s (304 mi/s), based on SOHO/LASCO measurements between 1996 and 2003.[9] These speeds correspond to transit times from the Sun out to the mean radius of
    Earth's orbit of about 13 hours to 86 days (extremes), with about 3.5 days as the average. The average mass ejected is 1.6×1012 kg (3.5×1012 lb). However, the estimated mass values for CMEs are only lower limits, because coronagraph measurements
    provide only two-dimensional data.

    . The current best estimate for the mass of Earth is M🜨 = 5.9722×10**24 kg

    The average mass ejected is 1.6×10**12 kg (3.5×10**12 lb).

    But there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    And there is a working model of Earth's climate at UN HQ New York, fit to study how CMEs impact Short-Term Climate Changes
    You're not real good with numbers, or understanding physics for that matter. That kind of lightning fast superheated tera-mass would take out an entire city and kill millions of people. We just don't see anything like that happening. So there must be
    something fundamentally wrong with your thinking, or lack thereof.

    I am best at numbers
    and you are low in physics.

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/150152/a-july-of-extremes

    Exactly the case and superheated teramass, called Coronary Mass Ejections, has been aproaching the Earth in 2022, resulting
    in heat waves, as modelled by NASA above, in the year of the lowest solar activity, as claimed by NASA 2 years ago, supported by zero sunspots data in solar cycle.

    There is everything right with my
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes

    and I am fundamentally right with my thinking
    and you know it exactly

    My intention is to win Nobel Prize, so I need money and a lot of money to pay best researchers, scientists
    to work for me
    on my
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to pseudo-random Coronary Mass Ejections, targeting the Earth

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Aug 3 16:02:08 2022
    On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 00:57:33 UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 00:04:03 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:33:58 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:08:39 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    could you stop your delusional day dreaming spam ?

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections (CME)
    directed to the Earth, ...

    It's becoming more and more apparent you're a mass ejection of some kind.

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.
    Who at NASA dares to make this claim ?

    There is only a single researcher at NASA, who has been studying CMEs, flares for 30 years.

    ==
    CMEs reach velocities from 20 to 3,200 km/s (12 to 1,988 mi/s) with an average speed of 489 km/s (304 mi/s), based on SOHO/LASCO measurements between 1996 and 2003.[9] These speeds correspond to transit times from the Sun out to the mean radius of
    Earth's orbit of about 13 hours to 86 days (extremes), with about 3.5 days as the average. The average mass ejected is 1.6×1012 kg (3.5×1012 lb). However, the estimated mass values for CMEs are only lower limits, because coronagraph measurements
    provide only two-dimensional data.

    . The current best estimate for the mass of Earth is M🜨 = 5.9722×10**24 kg

    The average mass ejected is 1.6×10**12 kg (3.5×10**12 lb).

    But there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    And there is a working model of Earth's climate at UN HQ New York, fit to study how CMEs impact Short-Term Climate Changes
    You're not real good with numbers, or understanding physics for that matter. That kind of lightning fast superheated tera-mass would take out an entire city and kill millions of people. We just don't see anything like that happening. So there must be
    something fundamentally wrong with your thinking, or lack thereof.
    I am best at numbers
    and you are low in physics.

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/150152/a-july-of-extremes

    Exactly the case and superheated teramass, called Coronary Mass Ejections, has been aproaching the Earth in 2022, resulting
    in heat waves, as modelled by NASA above, in the year of the lowest solar activity, as claimed by NASA 2 years ago, supported by zero sunspots data in solar cycle.

    There is everything right with my
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes

    and I am fundamentally right with my thinking
    and you know it exactly

    My intention is to win Nobel Prize, so I need money and a lot of money to pay best researchers, scientists
    to work for me
    on my
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    due to fluctuations in solar activity
    due to pseudo-random Coronary Mass Ejections, targeting the Earth

    A July of Extremes
    Your browser does not support the video tag.

    MPEG

    July 2022

    At the beginning of July 2022, NOAA’s monthly climate outlook favored temperatures well above average across much of the United States. The outlook proved prescient.

    Around the globe in summer 2022, wave after wave of heat crested and broke. Heat waves, particularly in Europe and Asia, caused thousands of heat-related deaths. On July 19, the U.K. had its hottest day ever recorded as temperatures topped 104°F (40°C).

    In the U.S., the heat was pervasive and persistent as atmospheric high-pressure systems established stagnant heat domes, which placed more than 150 million people under heat warnings and advisories. Nearly every region of the continental U.S. experienced
    above-average temperatures. Several states saw record-breaking triple-digit highs, some for days on end. With the added impact of high humidity in many regions, the extreme heat threatened life and health.

    The animation above shows the daily maximum surface air temperature across most of the Western Hemisphere in July 2022. It was produced by combining satellite observations with temperatures predicted by a version of the Goddard Earth Observing System (
    GEOS) global model, which uses mathematical equations to represent physical processes in the atmosphere. The darkest red areas indicate temperatures of more than 104°F (40°C).

    July began with the development of a ridge of high pressure across the central and eastern U.S., which contributed to the establishment of a heat dome in the south-central U.S. High atmospheric pressure acts like a lid, trapping hot air that dries and
    warms the land surface, which in turn further heats the air. In the animation, a zone of extreme heat persists throughout the month in the south-central U.S., at times expanding to the Southwest, Upper Midwest, and Southeast.

    In mid- to late July, blistering heat baked the Great Plains with highs reaching 115°F (46°C) and heat indices exceeding 120°F (49°C). The heat index is the effective temperature felt by the human body when relative humidity is combined with air
    temperature. By July 20, more than 154 million people were under heat warnings or advisories according to the National Integrated Heat Health Information System.

    Utah and Oklahoma both broke long-standing records for the most consecutive days on which temperatures exceeded 100°F (38°C). Utah saw 16 straight days of triple-digit highs, the most since the National Weather Service began keeping records in 1874.

    July 31, 2022
    JPEG

    The above map shows daily high temperatures on July 31, 2022. Late July saw the heat continuing in the Great Plains and Southeast, while rising in the West and Northeast. Newark, New Jersey, saw a record-breaking five straight days of triple-digit
    temperatures.

    In the Pacific Northwest, where many homes lack air conditioning, several heat-related deaths were reported. Temperatures reached highs of 110°F (43°C) in Dallasport, Washington, and 114°F (46°C) in Medford, Oregon.

    Extreme heat has killed more than 700 Americans per year on average over the past 30 years. Heat is the leading cause of weather-related death in the U.S., causing more deaths than hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, or extreme cold.

    NASA Earth Observatory video and image by Joshua Stevens, using GEOS data from the Global Modeling and Assimilation Office at NASA GSFC. Story by Sara E. Pratt, with input from Steven Pawson and Nathan Arnold, GMAO.


    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/150152/a-july-of-extremes

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Wed Aug 3 16:10:27 2022
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 6:00:28 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    The fools don't know they're being manipulated by taking advantage of their lack of education and low emotional IQs. We have the same evil bunch in the U.S. But anyway now we know where some of these UK fools on SED come from.

    Dismissal, denial and delayism are the tactics used.

    "If the revelations about fossil fuel companies suppression of the science werent enough to convince us that the wealthiest are waging a war against the public, let the culture of fear narrative perpetuated by todays news magnates make it clear.
    It is not over."

    He/she should note their wealth derives from the public.

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/behind-the-scenes-of-british-medias-climate-denial/
    I wish the US press would get abord with some good denial.

    A winter of cold and dark and insane energy prices will change some
    public opinions in England and Germany.

    Here's a NASA heat map of the U.S. You have a similar situation globally. If that isn't a picture of hell on Earth I don't what is:
    https://gizmodo.com/this-heat-map-of-the-u-s-is-yikes-1849361862
    It's only going to get worse, much worse.

    I managed to survive my walk to work today with just a tee shirt and a
    sweater. Accidentally met a really cool guy, a retired HP engineer who
    worked on their scopes and pulse generators.

    The forcast high in London this week, a notorious heat island, is 75F.
    Oxford, a bit less dense, is expected to range from 54 to 72.

    I got a really nice rain slicker in Oxford, where I guess it rains a
    lot. But the limeys drive on the wrong side and put their zippers on
    the wrong side.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Aug 3 17:11:58 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.

    ...there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    Not gonna hit Earth; the Sun, from here, looks fairly wide in the sky (half a degree), but that's still
    only 10^-5 steradians out of twelve or so; the Earth, from the sun, only subtends
    a thirtieth of a degree, and no mass ejection from Sol, even if it had
    escape velocity, could be aimed so precisely as to hit 10^-7 steradians ( a mere speck in the sky).

    Ejected mass just diffuses into the vacuum of space, making the vacuum a bit dirty.

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  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 09:24:51 2022
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.

    ...there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    Not gonna hit Earth; the Sun, from here, looks fairly wide in the sky (half a degree), but that's still
    only 10^-5 steradians out of twelve or so; the Earth, from the sun, only subtends
    a thirtieth of a degree, and no mass ejection from Sol, even if it had
    escape velocity, could be aimed so precisely as to hit 10^-7 steradians ( a mere speck in the sky).

    The last really big one that actually hit the Earth was the Carrington
    Event of 1859 which fried international telegraphs. He saw the actual
    flare occur on the sun in white light (which is very unusual).

    https://www.space.com/the-carrington-event

    They are relatively easy to see in H-alpha.

    More recently there have been a few damp squibs that took out some of
    Canada's mains network. Last one on Google was March 13 1989

    https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/sun_darkness.html

    I've a feeling there was another more recent one. Nothing this year.

    Ejected mass just diffuses into the vacuum of space, making the vacuum a bit dirty.

    It does create impressive auroras if we are roughly in line with some of
    it. But the plasma density is so low that all it really does is inject relativistic particles into the Earth's Van Allen radiation belts.

    Engineers do worry about the effects of a Carrington Event in our modern electronic world since it would potentially fry a lot of mains
    distribution transformers at high latitude and effectively blind GPS
    systems for days until the ionosphere calmed down again.

    https://raeng.org.uk/media/lz2fs5ql/space_weather_full_report_final.pdf

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Mon Aug 8 19:10:04 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:25:00 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.

    ...there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    Not gonna hit Earth; the Sun, from here, looks fairly wide in the sky (half a degree), but that's still
    only 10^-5 steradians out of twelve or so; the Earth, from the sun, only subtends
    a thirtieth of a degree, and no mass ejection from Sol, even if it had escape velocity, could be aimed so precisely as to hit 10^-7 steradians ( a mere speck in the sky).
    The last really big one that actually hit the Earth was the Carrington
    Event of 1859 which fried international telegraphs. He saw the actual
    flare occur on the sun in white light (which is very unusual).

    https://www.space.com/the-carrington-event

    They are relatively easy to see in H-alpha.

    More recently there have been a few damp squibs that took out some of Canada's mains network. Last one on Google was March 13 1989

    https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/sun_darkness.html

    I've a feeling there was another more recent one. Nothing this year.
    Ejected mass just diffuses into the vacuum of space, making the vacuum a bit dirty.
    It does create impressive auroras if we are roughly in line with some of
    it. But the plasma density is so low that all it really does is inject relativistic particles into the Earth's Van Allen radiation belts.

    Engineers do worry about the effects of a Carrington Event in our modern electronic world since it would potentially fry a lot of mains
    distribution transformers at high latitude and effectively blind GPS
    systems for days until the ionosphere calmed down again.

    https://raeng.org.uk/media/lz2fs5ql/space_weather_full_report_final.pdf

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

    The Sun affects Earth's climate in more ways than just solar irradiance. Research shows that solar activity affects cloud formation, which modulates the amount of solar energy reaching the planet. High solar activity reduces the amount of clouds formed:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of the
    twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "
    Yet, NASA is in denial of this: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
    So, the REAL DENIARS of climate change seems to be NASA and, by extension, the U.S. government, itself.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Mon Aug 8 19:35:03 2022
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:10:08 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:25:00 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    <snip>

    The Sun affects Earth's climate in more ways than just solar irradiance. Research shows that solar activity affects cloud formation, which modulates the amount of solar energy reaching the planet. High solar activity reduces the amount of clouds formed:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of the
    twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "

    It's a load of rubbish. Cloud formation is thermodynamics - rising air cools, and water vapour condenses out of it as droplets of water, forming clouds, mostly nucleating on dust particles, rather than cosmic ray tracks. Falling air warms up, and the
    water droplets evaporate. Half of the air has to be rising at any given time and most of it is gong to be wet enough to form clouds, while the other half has to be falling and cloud free.

    Gnatguy ought to know about this, but he's a gullible sucker for plausible rubbish.

    Yet, NASA is in denial of this:

    As they should be. They know more about the science involved than Gnatguy does.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/

    So, the REAL DENIARS of climate change seems to be NASA and, by extension, the U.S. government, itself.

    That is what climate change denial propaganda wants you to believe and if you are as gullible as Gnatguy, Cursitor Doom and John Larkin, you can believe it.
    It labels you as a gullible twit, but that doesn't worry them, though it should,

    --
    Bill Sloman, syudney

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 8 23:43:20 2022
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:10:08 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of the
    twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "

    Yeah, the 'taken at face value' means that there's no independent confirmation of the 'indirect' bit.

    Yet, NASA is in denial of this: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/

    Not denial, just not adding an unnecessary hypothesis, when the greenhouse gas situation is
    sufficient cause. That's called Occam's Razor, it's a well-understood principle. The theories of oddball
    solar connections haven't got so much data behind them that 'it's just noise' doesn't work. In particular,
    modern data on solar activity is much more quantitative than old sunspot observations; we don't really
    have a few centuries of useful baseline.

    Climate denial has organized and corrupted a few useful idiots, who publish 'maybe...' appendices
    to real research. Don't be a FREE useful idiot, make those organizers pay you a good salary.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Tue Aug 9 04:00:18 2022
    On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 04:10:08 UTC+2, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:25:00 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    NASA says CME is too slight to have an effect on climate.

    ...there some CMEs whose mass corresponds to the mass of the Earth
    and travelling directly to the Earth at 500 km/s speed , made of plasma at temperature of 1M deg. C
    which matter.

    Not gonna hit Earth; the Sun, from here, looks fairly wide in the sky (half a degree), but that's still
    only 10^-5 steradians out of twelve or so; the Earth, from the sun, only subtends
    a thirtieth of a degree, and no mass ejection from Sol, even if it had escape velocity, could be aimed so precisely as to hit 10^-7 steradians ( a mere speck in the sky).
    The last really big one that actually hit the Earth was the Carrington Event of 1859 which fried international telegraphs. He saw the actual flare occur on the sun in white light (which is very unusual).

    https://www.space.com/the-carrington-event

    They are relatively easy to see in H-alpha.

    More recently there have been a few damp squibs that took out some of Canada's mains network. Last one on Google was March 13 1989

    https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/sun_darkness.html

    I've a feeling there was another more recent one. Nothing this year.
    Ejected mass just diffuses into the vacuum of space, making the vacuum a bit dirty.
    It does create impressive auroras if we are roughly in line with some of it. But the plasma density is so low that all it really does is inject relativistic particles into the Earth's Van Allen radiation belts.

    Engineers do worry about the effects of a Carrington Event in our modern electronic world since it would potentially fry a lot of mains distribution transformers at high latitude and effectively blind GPS systems for days until the ionosphere calmed down again.

    https://raeng.org.uk/media/lz2fs5ql/space_weather_full_report_final.pdf

    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown
    The Sun affects Earth's climate in more ways than just solar irradiance. Research shows that solar activity affects cloud formation, which modulates the amount of solar energy reaching the planet. High solar activity reduces the amount of clouds formed:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of the
    twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "
    Yet, NASA is in denial of this: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
    So, the REAL DENIARS of climate change seems to be NASA and, by extension, the U.S. government, itself.
    thank you my friend,
    you are exactly right
    since water, water vapor , clouds, water retention account for 99.99% of so called greenhouse effect

    We study how coronary mass ejections directed to the Earth clock the Earth's Saunas
    and one-month/one-year Short Term Climate Changes

    To study Coronary Mass Ejections we need access to live monitoring of CMEs
    and CME trajectory prediction model by one guy at NASA

    Database of past CMEs is not complete, many event are missing.
    Join our team to succeed and win Nobel Price

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 04:02:10 2022
    On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 08:43:24 UTC+2, whit3rd wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:10:08 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of
    the twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "
    Yeah, the 'taken at face value' means that there's no independent confirmation of the 'indirect' bit.
    Yet, NASA is in denial of this: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
    Not denial, just not adding an unnecessary hypothesis, when the greenhouse gas situation is
    sufficient cause. That's called Occam's Razor, it's a well-understood principle. The theories of oddball
    solar connections haven't got so much data behind them that 'it's just noise' doesn't work. In particular,
    modern data on solar activity is much more quantitative than old sunspot observations; we don't really
    have a few centuries of useful baseline.

    Climate denial has organized and corrupted a few useful idiots, who publish 'maybe...' appendices
    to real research. Don't be a FREE useful idiot, make those organizers pay you a good salary.
    Man-made Climate Changers are funded by Pótin, Kremlin
    and Trade in Carbon Emissions Cassino
    so it may take years to win

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Tue Aug 9 11:46:05 2022
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:10:08 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:25:00 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <snip>
    The Sun affects Earth's climate in more ways than just solar irradiance. Research shows that solar activity affects cloud formation, which modulates the amount of solar energy reaching the planet. High solar activity reduces the amount of clouds
    formed:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of
    the twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "
    It's a load of rubbish. Cloud formation is thermodynamics - rising air cools, and water vapour condenses out of it as droplets of water, forming clouds, mostly nucleating on dust particles, rather than cosmic ray tracks. Falling air warms up, and the
    water droplets evaporate. Half of the air has to be rising at any given time and most of it is gong to be wet enough to form clouds, while the other half has to be falling and cloud free.

    More DENIAL by the King of DENIAL, SNIPPERMAN. Keep on DENYING SCIENCE, SNIPPERMAN.

    --
    Bill Sloman, syudney

    LOL!!! Did you move, SNIPPERMAN????

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Tue Aug 9 17:46:13 2022
    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 4:46:08 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:10:08 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:25:00 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <snip>
    The Sun affects Earth's climate in more ways than just solar irradiance. Research shows that solar activity affects cloud formation, which modulates the amount of solar energy reaching the planet. High solar activity reduces the amount of clouds
    formed:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming of
    the twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "

    It's a load of rubbish. Cloud formation is thermodynamics - rising air cools, and water vapour condenses out of it as droplets of water, forming clouds, mostly nucleating on dust particles, rather than cosmic ray tracks. Falling air warms up, and the
    water droplets evaporate. Half of the air has to be rising at any given time and most of it is gong to be wet enough to form clouds, while the other half has to be falling and cloud free.

    More DENIAL by the King of DENIAL, Sloman.

    Pointing out that climate change denial propaganda is scientifically unconvincing isn't what is usually described as denial.

    Keep on DENYING SCIENCE, Sloman.

    Gnatguy is silly enough think that dressing up climate change denial propaganda to make it look like a scientific paper makes it "science". One aspect of the scientific training I got - and Gnatguy clearly didn't - was how to pick out bad "scientific"
    papers. The literature review for my Ph.D. thesis fingered a couple.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Wed Aug 10 02:54:12 2022
    On Wednesday, 10 August 2022 at 02:46:17 UTC+2, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 4:46:08 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 12:10:08 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 1:25:00 AM UTC-7, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 04/08/2022 01:11, whit3rd wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 1:33:58 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 3 August 2022 at 21:55:30 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <snip>
    The Sun affects Earth's climate in more ways than just solar irradiance. Research shows that solar activity affects cloud formation, which modulates the amount of solar energy reaching the planet. High solar activity reduces the amount of clouds
    formed:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,appear%20to%20affect%20cloud%20formation.
    http://www.solarstorms.org/CloudCover.html
    "Taken at face value, our results imply that, possibly excluding the last decade or so when an accentuated rise in global temperatures is widely accepted to have occurred as a result of the enhanced greenhouse effect, most of the global warming
    of the twentieth century can be quantitatively explained by the combined direct (irradiance) and indirect (cosmic ray induced low cloud) effects of solar activity. "

    It's a load of rubbish. Cloud formation is thermodynamics - rising air cools, and water vapour condenses out of it as droplets of water, forming clouds, mostly nucleating on dust particles, rather than cosmic ray tracks. Falling air warms up, and
    the water droplets evaporate. Half of the air has to be rising at any given time and most of it is gong to be wet enough to form clouds, while the other half has to be falling and cloud free.

    More DENIAL by the King of DENIAL, Sloman.

    Pointing out that climate change denial propaganda is scientifically unconvincing isn't what is usually described as denial.

    Keep on DENYING SCIENCE, Sloman.
    Bill is low-quality time waster and spammer

    since
    water, water vapor, clouds, watere retention account for 99.99% of so-called greenhouse effect

    Fluctuations in solar activity
    due to Coronary Mass Ejections directed to the Earth
    control
    1-month/1-year Short Term Climate Changes

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