• Mass Starvation Looming On The Horizon

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 1 19:12:44 2022
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Mon Aug 1 19:25:42 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Mon Aug 1 19:39:42 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:25:46 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...



    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Mon Aug 1 19:49:02 2022
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:25:46 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...


    Ball Park angus beef hot dogs are great. Oscar Meyers are a close
    second.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 05:31:50 2022
    On a sunny day (Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <f77f40b8-0a64-4d1b-9de4-4ff19a0235d9n@googlegroups.com>:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally
    food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
    obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks >farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too
    bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
    one.

    In the long term the climate will change, making most of the US inhabitable Mass migration will follow.
    System will break apart, industry will come to halt.
    Tribes warlords and cannibalism for food

    The new species will be 'the rat',
    Add to that the radiation and contamination from the WW3 in 2024 I think it was..

    So nothing to worry about.. all in the cosmic (comic?) play of thugs eh I meant things

    I wonder, floating on a sailboat and living from uncooked fish (has the much needed vitamins)
    oh boy now boat prices will go to the sky...

    I have grapes growing in the garden... for the next month it will do for vitamin C :-)
    Seen strawberries too.
    Plenty of cats and dogs for food,
    Learning to set traps, make fire, the usual.
    More wolves are coming here too.

    Maybe only some microbes or one-cellular life forms will remain.. for a while.. then the sun engulfs the earth and goes out .
    Was looking at a documentary about white holes, nobody knows if those exist. Anyways, must a lot of interesting species and things out there,

    Vikinger lander on Mars test was positive for life.
    Governments keeping it from us, religious leaders afraid that the people see we are
    just an elementary particle chemical reaction.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Aug 2 04:35:21 2022
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing the family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to blame! They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...

    Tonight was our veggie meal. Shit *green* for a few days.

    I keep telling SWMBO that what the meal really needs is some MEAT! <frown>

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Aug 2 04:54:20 2022
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 04:12:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
    so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

    Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

    60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Aug 2 06:51:47 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:49:15 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:25:46 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...

    Ball Park angus beef hot dogs are great. Oscar Meyers are a close
    second.

    I settled on Hebrew National, it's definitely a cut above the rest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Aug 2 06:55:29 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:32:19 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <f77f40b8-0a64-4d1b...@googlegroups.com>:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally
    food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be >obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too
    bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this >one.
    In the long term the climate will change, making most of the US inhabitable Mass migration will follow.
    System will break apart, industry will come to halt.
    Tribes warlords and cannibalism for food

    The new species will be 'the rat',
    Add to that the radiation and contamination from the WW3 in 2024 I think it was..

    So nothing to worry about.. all in the cosmic (comic?) play of thugs eh I meant things

    I wonder, floating on a sailboat and living from uncooked fish (has the much needed vitamins)
    oh boy now boat prices will go to the sky...

    I have grapes growing in the garden... for the next month it will do for vitamin C :-)
    Seen strawberries too.
    Plenty of cats and dogs for food,
    Learning to set traps, make fire, the usual.
    More wolves are coming here too.

    Maybe only some microbes or one-cellular life forms will remain.. for a while..
    then the sun engulfs the earth and goes out .
    Was looking at a documentary about white holes, nobody knows if those exist. Anyways, must a lot of interesting species and things out there,

    Vikinger lander on Mars test was positive for life.
    Governments keeping it from us, religious leaders afraid that the people see we are
    just an elementary particle chemical reaction.

    When things get too out of hand, the powers that be may just set off a nuclear annihilation to instantly bring population down to more manageable levels. Of course they'll disguise what they're doing with some phony excuse for a nuclear exchange war,
    like "promoting American values."

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 07:03:03 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:35:21 -0700, Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing the >family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Their problem is that they are too good.


    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    Just finished a big helping of all beef hot dogs and corned beef hash a little while ago...

    Tonight was our veggie meal. Shit *green* for a few days.

    I keep telling SWMBO that what the meal really needs is some MEAT! <frown>

    Yes, I know the problem. I want proscutto in my raviolis, and she
    doesn't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 07:09:56 2022
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.

    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.
    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
    is bad politics, not climate change. Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 07:12:53 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 04:12:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
    so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

    Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in >Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

    60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext

    "Gasparrini and colleagues report that, first, cold-related deaths
    outnumbered heat-related deaths by a factor of nearly 20, overall. "

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Aug 2 07:38:18 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in about 15 years), tons of so-
    called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments, surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim.
    Every one of those is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, drought,
    floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration to the breaking point.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/


    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Aug 2 07:42:32 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:13:03 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 04:12:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
    so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

    Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in >Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

    60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext

    "Gasparrini and colleagues report that, first, cold-related deaths outnumbered heat-related deaths by a factor of nearly 20, overall. "

    Uh-huh, not real interested in drunks in Ukraine and Siberia passing out in the snow and freezing to death...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 08:20:27 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.

    You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 08:17:59 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:13:03 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 04:12:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
    so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

    Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in
    Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

    60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext

    "Gasparrini and colleagues report that, first, cold-related deaths
    outnumbered heat-related deaths by a factor of nearly 20, overall. "

    Uh-huh, not real interested in drunks in Ukraine and Siberia passing out in the snow and freezing to death...

    Care about children? You probably relish them dying.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Aug 2 08:25:27 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.
    You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

    In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Aug 2 08:33:32 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:18:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:13:03 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 04:12:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
    so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

    Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in
    Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

    60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide >> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext

    "Gasparrini and colleagues report that, first, cold-related deaths
    outnumbered heat-related deaths by a factor of nearly 20, overall. "

    Uh-huh, not real interested in drunks in Ukraine and Siberia passing out in the snow and freezing to death...
    Care about children? You probably relish them dying.

    Apparently no one cares about children. The figure I read was that 3,000 children die of starvation every day in India, and all the while India is exporting grain crops.
    Then in addition to the more routine neglect, genocide and war kills way more children than cold weather.
    Eastern Europe has a big problem with producing children with brain damage from alcohol poisoning during pregnancy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 08:37:55 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:33:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:18:11 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:13:03 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 04:12:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    If you glaze millions of acres of farming land with solar panels
    so less and less land is left for farming, making food prices to double every 7 years

    Present heast waves are due to Coronary Mass Ejections , resulting in
    Shoret-Term Climate Changes, due to fluctuations in solar activity

    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes clock global economy today

    60 C sauna from Africa can kill half of the human population world-wide >> >> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60897-2/fulltext

    "Gasparrini and colleagues report that, first, cold-related deaths
    outnumbered heat-related deaths by a factor of nearly 20, overall. "

    Uh-huh, not real interested in drunks in Ukraine and Siberia passing out in the snow and freezing to death...
    Care about children? You probably relish them dying.

    Apparently no one cares about children. The figure I read was that 3,000 children die of starvation every day in India, and all the while India is exporting grain crops.
    Then in addition to the more routine neglect, genocide and war kills way more children than cold weather.
    Eastern Europe has a big problem with producing children with brain damage from alcohol poisoning during pregnancy.

    Confirmed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 08:39:52 2022
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.
    You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

    In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

    Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
    we have it in our cells to be young too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Tue Aug 2 17:47:09 2022
    On 2022-08-02 17:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.
    You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

    In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

    Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
    we have it in our cells to be young too.


    Heaven forbid. We're far too numerous already.

    Jeroen Belleman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Tue Aug 2 09:32:52 2022
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:47:09 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
    <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 2022-08-02 17:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of heatflation looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.
    You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

    In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

    Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
    we have it in our cells to be young too.


    Heaven forbid. We're far too numerous already.

    Jeroen Belleman

    Birth rates fall below replcement as countries develop. By the time
    you are 200, you'll likely be tired of having more brats.

    We'll probably peak a bit over 8 billion and then slowly decline.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Tue Aug 2 17:03:12 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2-ad86-7977b9b71eadn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be >obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this >one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
    with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in >about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
    is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices >because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, >drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
    to the breaking point.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids >from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature >deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
    country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with >mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
    you insane.

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
    and want to kill them all it seems.
    They think climate change is human made.
    However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
    http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
    Milankovitch cycles
    If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
    So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
    and his polar bear club...
    What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
    (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
    after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Aug 2 10:07:39 2022
    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
    blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
    of farms and 12% of production."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Don Y on Tue Aug 2 17:09:15 2022
    Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in
    news:tcbll5$1k85j$1@dont-email.me:

    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely
    be losing the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be
    *climate* to blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a
    family.

    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-fa


    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they
    operate almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of
    production. Midsize and large-scale family farms account for
    about 66% of production; and non-family farms represent the
    remaining 2.1% of farms and 12% of production."


    Except for those that Trump's retarded trade war with China caused
    to fail.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Aug 2 10:14:49 2022
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 19:03:55 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
    obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination >with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in >about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those >is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, >drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
    to the breaking point.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature
    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this >country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
    you insane.
    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
    and want to kill them all it seems.
    They think climate change is human made.
    However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
    http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
    Milankovitch cycles
    If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
    So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
    and his polar bear club...
    What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
    (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
    after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship :-)
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity,
    called coronary mass ejections (CME)

    Coronal Mass Ejections

    Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) are large expulsions of plasma and magnetic field from the Sun’s corona. They can eject billions of tons of coronal material and carry an embedded magnetic field (frozen in flux) that is stronger than the background solar
    wind interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength. CMEs travel outward from the Sun at speeds ranging from slower than 250 kilometers per second (km/s) to as fast as near 3000 km/s. The fastest Earth-directed CMEs can reach our planet in as little as 15-
    18 hours. Slower CMEs can take several days to arrive. They expand in size as they propagate away from the Sun and larger CMEs can reach a size comprising nearly a quarter of the space between Earth and the Sun by the time it reaches our planet.

    The more explosive CMEs generally begin when highly twisted magnetic field structures (flux ropes) contained in the Sun’s lower corona become too stressed and realign into a less tense configuration – a process called magnetic reconnection. This can
    result in the sudden release of electromagnetic energy in the form of a solar flare; which typically accompanies the explosive acceleration of plasma away from the Sun – the CME. These types of CMEs usually take place from areas of the Sun with
    localized fields of strong and stressed magnetic flux; such as active regions associated with sunspot groups. CMEs can also occur from locations where relatively cool and denser plasma is trapped and suspended by magnetic flux extending up to the inner
    corona - filaments and prominences. When these flux ropes reconfigure, the denser filament or prominence can collapse back to the solar surface and be quietly reabsorbed, or a CME may result. CMEs travelling faster than the background solar wind speed
    can generate a shock wave. These shock waves can accelerate charged particles ahead of them – causing increased radiation storm potential or intensity.

    Important CME parameters used in analysis are size, speed, and direction. These properties are inferred from orbital satellites’ coronagraph imagery by SWPC forecasters to determine any Earth-impact likelihood. The NASA Solar and Heliospheric
    Observatory (SOHO) carries a coronagraph – known as the Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph (LASCO). This instrument has two ranges for optical imaging of the Sun’s corona: C2 (covers distance range of 1.5 to 6 solar radii) and C3 (range of 3
    to 32 solar radii). The LASCO instrument is currently the primary means used by forecasters to analyze and categorize CMEs; however another coronagraph is on the NASA STEREO-A spacecraft as an additional source.

    Imminent CME arrival is first observed by the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite, located at the L1 orbital area. Sudden increases in density, total interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength, and solar wind speed at the DSCOVR
    spacecraft indicate arrival of the CME-associated interplanetary shock ahead of the magnetic cloud. This can often provide 15 to 60 minutes advanced warning of shock arrival at Earth – and any possible sudden impulse or sudden storm commencement; as
    registered by Earth-based magnetometers.

    Important aspects of an arriving CME and its likelihood for causing more intense geomagnetic storming include the strength and direction of the IMF beginning with shock arrival, followed by arrival and passage of the plasma cloud and frozen-in-flux
    magnetic field. More intense levels of geomagnetic storming are favored when the CME enhanced IMF becomes more pronounced and prolonged in a south-directed orientation. Some CMEs show predominantly one direction of the magnetic field during its passage,
    while most exhibit changing field directions as the CME passes over Earth. Generally, CMEs that impact Earth’s magnetosphere will at some point have an IMF orientation that favors generation of geomagnetic storming. Geomagnetic storms are classified
    using a five-level NOAA Space Weather Scale. SWPC forecasters discuss analysis and geomagnetic storm potential of CMEs in the forecast discussion and predict levels of geomagnetic storming in the 3-day forecast.

    *Images courtesy of NASA and the SOHO and STEREO missions
    Tags:
    phenomenon
    Earth Sun Relationship:
    near_sun


    https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Tue Aug 2 10:56:55 2022
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Aug 2 17:08:05 2022
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:tcbldl$1k6eq$2 @dont-email.me:

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    You are a goddamned idiot. Period.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com on Tue Aug 2 10:47:53 2022
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in ><da608dbf-e0b7-44e2-ad86-7977b9b71eadn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >>finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be >>obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination >>with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in >>about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >>of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
    is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >>of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, >>drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
    to the breaking point.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature
    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this >>country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
    you insane.

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

    About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 2 13:03:05 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:

    <snipped jackass>

    You already have NASA telling you this sun eruption activity does not effect Earth's warming. But you keep linking to it like it does. You're an idiot from hell.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Aug 2 13:00:34 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:03:55 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
    obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination >with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in >about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those >is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, >drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
    to the breaking point.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature
    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this >country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
    you insane.
    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
    and want to kill them all it seems.
    They think climate change is human made.
    However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
    http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
    Milankovitch cycles
    If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
    So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
    and his polar bear club...
    What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
    (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
    after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship :-)

    Those crazy sun cycles are way long cycles and we're not near any of them. The eccentricity of our current orbit is a fraction of a percent (IIRC) of what those worst case cycles allow, and as of now the distance from sun to earth varies by less than 3
    million miles summer to winter. The MUCH MUCH stronger effect is the Earth tilting on its axis.
    Like it or not the most significant influence that's warming the Earth and pushing the climate to a state of uninhabitability by mankind is excessive greenhouse gas emissions. You can't possibly dispute the Earth's energy imbalance- that's a pretty
    simple concept to understand- it was very difficult to measure but they finally did it with space based instrumentation. The imbalance will cause the planet to heat to enough of a temperature differential for the heat to escape despite the impedance of
    atmospheric absorption by the greenhouse gases, a new equilibrium that won't be reached if they keep adding more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
    There are too many people, nature is being overdrawn, it is a collective suicide whether there is global warming or not.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology. on Tue Aug 2 16:04:12 2022
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 10:47:53 -0700, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs >><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in >><da608dbf-e0b7-44e2-ad86-7977b9b71eadn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >>>finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be >>>obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination >>>with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in >>>about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >>>of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those >>>is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >>>of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, >>>drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
    to the breaking point.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature
    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this >>>country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem >>>> is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making >>>you insane.

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

    About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

    On a related issue, after this or that revolt somewhere, I would ask
    my young friends what would it take to get their fathers to take the
    rifle down from the living room mantle piece and go into the streets
    to fight. Stunned silence.

    But they would allow that being unable to live and feed their family
    would certainly do it.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Tue Aug 2 13:08:17 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:48:03 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
    <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in ><da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >>finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
    obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination >>with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in >>about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >>of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those >>is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >>of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth, >>drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
    to the breaking point.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature
    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this >>country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem >>> is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making >>you insane.

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

    Depends. It doesn't happen in places like Cuba and Venezuela.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Don Y on Tue Aug 2 13:18:26 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing >> the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to >> blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
    of farms and 12% of production."

    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so at
    least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as
    agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all
    out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Aug 2 13:49:53 2022
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to >> blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S. agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
    of farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so at
    least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as
    agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all
    out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
    Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.

    Large farms are managed like every industry branch

    Profit, profit, profit
    credit, credit, credit

    So small, family owned farms should be donated.

    Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
    turning small farmers into farm workers

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Aug 2 13:55:53 2022
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
    blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S. agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production. Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
    of farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so
    at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as
    agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all
    out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
    Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.

    That's a bunch of ignorant bull. Those small farms could be doing anything to the crops because they're not government monitored/inspected like the big operations...


    Large farms are managed like every industry branch

    Profit, profit, profit
    credit, credit, credit

    So small, family owned farms should be donated.

    Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
    turning small farmers into farm workers

    LOL- Bayer is buying up farmland???

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Aug 2 14:16:57 2022
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:55:56 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no >>>>> weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
    blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S. agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production. Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
    of farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so
    at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as
    agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all
    out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
    Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.
    That's a bunch of ignorant bull. Those small farms could be doing anything to the crops because they're not government monitored/inspected like the big operations...

    Large farms are managed like every industry branch

    Profit, profit, profit
    credit, credit, credit

    So small, family owned farms should be donated.

    Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
    turning small farmers into farm workers
    LOL- Bayer is buying up farmland???
    Farmland is controlled by money
    Money is controlled by BIG Pharma

    Smart humans buy farm products from small, family operated farms to live longer.

    Are you a kid ?

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Tue Aug 2 21:16:39 2022
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in news:gooiehdbomo8pdf48sa5ftr9ufc0ifqm10@4ax.com:

    About the most powerful political force is hungry people.


    You must need a math course.

    There are nearly 8 billion folks here. Only about 7 billion get fed
    every day. That hardly makes your statement valid in any way.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Tue Aug 2 18:17:04 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area

    https://www.soilassociation.org/causes-campaigns/fixing-nitrogen-the-challenge-for-climate-nature-and-health/the-impacts-of-nitrogen-pollution/

    They think climate change is human made.

    They are right.

    However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
    http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
    Milankovitch cycles
    If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.

    But we shouldn't be seeing it now. We are already in an interglacial and the tiny Milankovitch effects should be pushing us towards a new ice age. Dumping lots of CO2 into the atmosphere can help get you out of an ice age (where atmospheric CO2 levels
    sit around 180 ppm) to an interglacial (where they sit around 270 ppm, as ours did until we started burning fossil carbon for fuel and have now got it up to 412 ppm).

    So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore and his polar bear club...

    Al Gore just popularised the science at the point where the evidence for anthropogenic global warming became totally obvious.

    What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible, after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian
    citizenship :-)

    The sort of plan that Jan Panteltje could be relied on to come up with. Not one that would work.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Tue Aug 2 18:41:51 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:48:03 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

    Trust Jam Panteltje to get it wrong.

    About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

    The Netherlands is about the last place on earth where you will find hungry people. It has loads of greedy people - like the livestock farmers who insists over-stocking their farms to the point that the nitrogen waste (urine) from the beasts pollutes the
    local water table - but the Dutch have been well-feed and tall for the last few thousand years. Dante commented on their height around 1320.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From corvid@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Tue Aug 2 21:21:35 2022
    On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>


    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
    farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
    the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
    Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
    can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
    works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
    sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
    not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
    no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
    subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
    bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
    beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
    wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
    without having to lift a finger.

    USDA does mention part of that.

    https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences

    "In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
    These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
    livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
    level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
    residences; the households on these farms – and on many other small
    farms – rely heavily on off-farm income."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to William Sloman on Wed Aug 3 05:33:23 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an >appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways >>and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something >like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined
    areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the
    soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans
    There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
    Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
    Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Wed Aug 3 05:33:23 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 10:14:49 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in <24de3336-7ea8-4dec-b35a-83c18fb1554an@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 19:03:55 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs

    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com

    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >>
    finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should
    be
    obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =3DE2=3D80=3D98heatflation=3DE2=3D80=3D99 looms large as climate
    change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood



    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering >this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural

    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination

    with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in

    about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,

    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >>
    of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those

    is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >>
    of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices

    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
    drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration

    to the breaking point.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/




    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called >kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature

    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
    country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem

    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination >with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation

    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment

    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making

    you insane.
    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways >and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something >like that
    and want to kill them all it seems.
    They think climate change is human made.
    However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described >here:
    http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
    Milankovitch cycles
    If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times
    CO2 lagged the warm periods.
    So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been >brainwashed by Al Gore
    and his polar bear club...
    What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos
    in all houses
    (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
    after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for >Russian citizenship :-)
    1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
    are due to fluctuations in solar activity,
    called coronary mass ejections (CME)

    Coronal Mass Ejections

    Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) are large expulsions of plasma and magnetic field
    from the Sun=E2=80=99s corona. They can eject billions of tons of coronal >material and carry an embedded magnetic field (frozen in flux) that is stronger
    than the background solar wind interplanetary magnetic field (IMF)
    strength. CMEs travel outward from the Sun at speeds ranging from slower than >250 kilometers per second (km/s) to as fast as near 3000 km/s. The fastest >Earth-directed CMEs can reach our planet in as little as 15-18 hours. Slower >CMEs can take several days to arrive. They expand in size as they propagate >away from the Sun and larger CMEs can reach a size comprising nearly
    a quarter of the space between Earth and the Sun by the time it reaches our >planet.

    The more explosive CMEs generally begin when highly twisted magnetic field structures
    (flux ropes) contained in the Sun=E2=80=99s lower corona become too
    stressed and realign into a less tense configuration =E2=80=93 a process >called magnetic reconnection. This can result in the sudden release of electromagnetic
    energy in the form of a solar flare; which typically accompanies
    the explosive acceleration of plasma away from the Sun =E2=80=93 the CME. >These types of CMEs usually take place from areas of the Sun with localized >fields of strong and stressed magnetic flux; such as active regions associated >with sunspot groups. CMEs can also occur from locations where relatively
    cool and denser plasma is trapped and suspended by magnetic flux extending
    up to the inner corona - filaments and prominences. When these flux ropes >reconfigure, the denser filament or prominence can collapse back to the
    solar surface and be quietly reabsorbed, or a CME may result. CMEs travelling >faster than the background solar wind speed can generate a shock wave.
    These shock waves can accelerate charged particles ahead of them =E2=80=93 >causing increased radiation storm potential or intensity.

    Important CME parameters used in analysis are size, speed, and direction. These
    properties are inferred from orbital satellites=E2=80=99 coronagraph imagery >by SWPC forecasters to determine any Earth-impact likelihood. The NASA
    Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) carries a coronagraph =E2=80=93 >known as the Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph (LASCO). This instrument
    has two ranges for optical imaging of the Sun=E2=80=99s corona: C2
    (covers distance range of 1.5 to 6 solar radii) and C3 (range of 3 to 32 solar >radii). The LASCO instrument is currently the primary means used by forecasters
    to analyze and categorize CMEs; however another coronagraph is on
    the NASA STEREO-A spacecraft as an additional source.

    Imminent CME arrival is first observed by the Deep Space Climate Observatory >(DSCOVR) satellite, located at the L1 orbital area. Sudden increases in density,
    total interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength, and solar wind speed
    at the DSCOVR spacecraft indicate arrival of the CME-associated interplanetary >shock ahead of the magnetic cloud. This can often provide 15 to 60
    minutes advanced warning of shock arrival at Earth =E2=80=93 and any possible >sudden impulse or sudden storm commencement; as registered by Earth-based >magnetometers.

    Important aspects of an arriving CME and its likelihood for causing more intense
    geomagnetic storming include the strength and direction of the IMF beginning >with shock arrival, followed by arrival and passage of the plasma cloud
    and frozen-in-flux magnetic field. More intense levels of geomagnetic storming >are favored when the CME enhanced IMF becomes more pronounced and prolonged >in a south-directed orientation. Some CMEs show predominantly one
    direction of the magnetic field during its passage, while most exhibit changing
    field directions as the CME passes over Earth. Generally, CMEs that impact >Earth=E2=80=99s magnetosphere will at some point have an IMF orientation
    that favors generation of geomagnetic storming. Geomagnetic storms are classified
    using a five-level NOAA Space Weather Scale. SWPC forecasters discuss >analysis and geomagnetic storm potential of CMEs in the forecast discussion >and predict levels of geomagnetic storming in the 3-day forecast.

    *Images courtesy of NASA and the SOHO and STEREO missions
    Tags:
    phenomenon
    Earth Sun Relationship:
    near_sun


    https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections

    Yup, we need good tech to survive nature's plays.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Wed Aug 3 05:16:02 2022
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 13:00:34 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <b3430621-cdd2-4091-93d8-986a4f7b9e35n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:03:55 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs

    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com

    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then >>
    finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should
    be
    obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of =3DE2=3D80=3D98heatflation=3DE2=3D80=3D99 looms large as climate
    change shrinks
    farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood



    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering >this
    one.
    The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

    Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

    Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural

    industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination

    with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in

    about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,

    surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn't recycled, and oceans
    of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle >>
    of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those

    is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot >>
    of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices

    because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
    drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration

    to the breaking point.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/




    Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
    replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

    That's a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called >kids
    from farm country aren't suitable for farm work, they're just future premature

    deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
    country is horrendous.


    There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem

    is bad politics, not climate change.

    Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination >with
    mismanagement of resources and climate change.


    Climate change is greening the
    planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation

    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment

    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making

    you insane.
    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways >and roads
    so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something >like that
    and want to kill them all it seems.
    They think climate change is human made.
    However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described >here:
    http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
    Milankovitch cycles
    If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times
    CO2 lagged the warm periods.
    So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been >brainwashed by Al Gore
    and his polar bear club...
    What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos
    in all houses
    (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
    after that we'd have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for >Russian citizenship :-)

    Those crazy sun cycles are way long cycles and we're not near any of them. The >eccentricity of our current orbit is a fraction of a percent (IIRC) of what >those worst case cycles allow, and as of now the distance from sun to earth >varies by less than 3 million miles summer to winter. The MUCH MUCH stronger >effect is the Earth tilting on its axis.
    Like it or not the most significant influence that's warming the Earth and pushing
    the climate to a state of uninhabitability by mankind is excessive greenhouse >gas emissions. You can't possibly dispute the Earth's energy imbalance- >that's a pretty simple concept to understand- it was very difficult
    to measure but they finally did it with space based instrumentation. The imbalance
    will cause the planet to heat to enough of a temperature differential
    for the heat to escape despite the impedance of atmospheric absorption by
    the greenhouse gases, a new equilibrium that won't be reached if they keep >adding more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
    There are too many people, nature is being overdrawn, it is a collective suicide
    whether there is global warming or not.

    Well, that is a dark picture you show.
    Sure ... the next species .. if any ... will be more adapted...
    But now we need to get rid of the green fanatics and make sure we have the technology to
    stay alive, and that means nuclear.
    THE MARKET FOR AIRCOS IN EUROPE IS A BIG ONE NOTE!!! (for the industry and investors)

    Technology is our means of living through changes
    Not brainless green fearful idiots like Merkel in Germany that did shut down nuclear power plants.

    Think about that wind energy nonsense .. imagine those few windmills directly driving car wheels
    so no losses... ALL THE CARS plus all cooking and heating and cooling..
    DAFT!!! They want to go electric cars in a few years.
    Somebody should lock up them green anti science weaning polar bear infected puppets!!
    No
    We are entering the dark ages .. no science .. THAT would be our destruction Technology CAN save us as species, and in the long run we need nuclear propulsion
    to reach other planets too!
    Start NOW

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Aug 3 05:57:36 2022
    On 8/2/2022 1:18 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be
    losing the family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be
    *climate* to blame! They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of production.
    Most farms are small family farms, and they operate almost half of U.S.
    farm land, while generating 21% of production. Midsize and large-scale
    family farms account for about 66% of production; and non-family farms
    represent the remaining 2.1% of farms and 12% of production."

    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the
    mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a
    part time thing. Another thing they're not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything.

    Yeah, I recall our scout troop spending a weekend harvesting fruit from an orchard -- then discarding it! But, it allowed the landowner to claim the
    land had been "actively farmed". Despicable. (yet most folks had no idea this was the intent nor that it had, indeed, happened!)

    Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.

    Regardless of how effective your *management* techniques, if the crop
    won't grow due to environmental/climate conditions, the end result
    is unchanged.

    Yet another right wing "tree hugger" who'll set up a solar or wind farm
    to try to reclaim some of the value of his land (and sell the farm equipment
    to someone who is a "good" farmer -- ha!). Heck, he may even switch to
    driving an electric vehicle instead of his diesel pickup...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Aug 3 05:20:33 2022
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:34:06 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in <64b60791-65dd-49ba...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>

    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty. The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that and want to kill them
    all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area.

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans.

    Perhaps you could but they don't. The big sewage process plants are close to place with lots of humans, rather than lots of arm animals.

    There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.

    There are 12 million pigs in the Netherlands, and 1.6 millions cows (who produce ten times a much piss per individual as humans). The human population of the Netherlands is some 17 million people, so it would more than double the load on the sewage
    system, and probably would be noticed.

    Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue.

    Not that Jan seems to have much of clue himself.

    Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!

    I wonder what he was getting wrong there?

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to corvid on Wed Aug 3 08:23:09 2022
    On 08/02/2022 10:21 PM, corvid wrote:
    On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>


    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
    farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
    the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
    Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
    can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
    works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
    sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
    not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
    no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
    subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
    bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
    beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
    wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
    without having to lift a finger.

    USDA does mention part of that.

    https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences

    "In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
    These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
    livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
    level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
    residences; the households on these farms – and on many other small
    farms – rely heavily on off-farm income."

    As Earl Butz said during the Johnson administration, 'Get big or get
    out.' He also had the insight that cheap food is very important to keep
    the natives from getting restless. Too bad about that 'loose shoes,
    tight pussy, and a warm place to shit' crack that got him fired. Too
    much candor can be fatal to a politician.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Wed Aug 3 08:27:48 2022
    On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
    appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways >>> and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something >> like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined
    areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the
    soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans
    There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
    Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
    Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


    Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
    cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
    operation.

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed Aug 3 16:54:25 2022
    On 2022-08-03 16:27, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
    <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje
    wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it
    happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop
    yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're
    knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make
    an appointment with your GP and tell him/her your prescription
    drug regimen is making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting,
    blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied
    and shelves are empty.. The EU green political fanatics reason
    that cows produce CO2 or something
    like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs
    in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea,
    which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that
    is used for us humans There are a LOT more humans here though so it
    would be hardly noticed. Greens are anti-technology because they
    have no clue Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


    Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest
    voices against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who
    had been cited several times for polluting the ground water with his
    dairy operation.

    There are close to 4M cattle in the Netherlands, over 11M pigs and
    100M poultry. Those numbers are not negligible!

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bowman@montana.com on Wed Aug 3 15:44:51 2022
    On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:27:48 -0600) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jkvev7Fs2oU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
    William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
    <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
    appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways >>>> and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
    The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something >>> like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined
    areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the >>> soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans
    There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
    Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
    Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


    Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices >against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
    cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
    operation.

    Yea pollution like caused by fracking is much worse,
    there are several examples and have been several lawsuits against industry killing people
    by dumping stuff
    You won't die from cow shit, good fertilizer,

    Then they might as well shoot all dogs... more dogs than cattle in the cities and those leave their mark everywhere.
    Man! and just this week horse shit on the roads here, those recreational
    horse riders do not clean up their shit either.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jeroen@nospam.please on Wed Aug 3 15:46:15 2022
    On a sunny day (Wed, 03 Aug 2022 16:54:25 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <tce26v$1o3k$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

    On 2022-08-03 16:27, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
    <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje
    wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it
    happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop
    yields.

    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're
    knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make
    an appointment with your GP and tell him/her your prescription
    drug regimen is making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting,
    blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied
    and shelves are empty.. The EU green political fanatics reason
    that cows produce CO2 or something
    like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs
    in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea,
    which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that
    is used for us humans There are a LOT more humans here though so it
    would be hardly noticed. Greens are anti-technology because they
    have no clue Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


    Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest
    voices against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who
    had been cited several times for polluting the ground water with his
    dairy operation.

    There are close to 4M cattle in the Netherlands, over 11M pigs and
    100M poultry. Those numbers are not negligible!

    Jeroen Belleman

    Do those 11M include politicians?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bob Engelhardt@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Aug 4 08:51:18 2022
    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
    isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to BobEngelhardt@comcast.net on Thu Aug 4 07:03:26 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
    isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density

    The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
    high on productivity.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
    shortage in Siberia.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Aug 4 07:34:31 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 12:03:37 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated" >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
    The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themselves and their kids, and the USA is
    high on productivity.

    Not all that high. They do sub-contract a lot of production to places where human labour is cheaper - mostly China in recent years.

    The USA is mostly rich - well endowed with natural resources, and it's population density is a low (about a tenth of Europe's) so the people mostly don't get in the way of exploiting them. Australia has an even lower population density and much the same
    sort of natural resources.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice shortage in Siberia.

    Probably not.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.

    The one child policy had some unfortunate side effects.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bobenge...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 4 10:04:24 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 8:51:25 AM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density

    Looks like they're listing population per unit of land of the entire country. Of course that's going to be misleading. Below is another table of urban population density, population per unit of land within the city, derived from 2006 data, it's much
    worse now. U.S. has 140 million people crammed into its cities, and the urban population density is right up there with China and India.
    http://demographia.com/db-intlua-area2000.htm
    So there you have it, an overindulged population crammed into cities like sardines.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Aug 4 10:10:24 2022
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated" >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
    The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
    high on productivity.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    "Pérez said the reasons for this season's low production include a shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen — which was hoarded by the health sector to combat COVID-19 — needed to repair
    breakages. He also blamed a lack of fuel and spare tires due to U.S. sanctions."

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cuba-sugar-harvest-half-expected-sector-crisis-85420083

    They better mechanize the harvesting because those workers will die doing that in the heat.



    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
    shortage in Siberia.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Aug 4 11:49:14 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
    isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density
    The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
    high on productivity.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    "Prez said the reasons for this season's low production include a shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen which was hoarded by the health sector to combat COVID-19 needed to repair
    breakages. He also blamed a lack of fuel and spare tires due to U.S. sanctions."

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cuba-sugar-harvest-half-expected-sector-crisis-85420083

    They better mechanize the harvesting because those workers will die doing that in the heat.



    It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Bob Engelhardt on Thu Aug 4 18:35:22 2022
    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-den
    sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds. We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
    conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the alligator
    pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Aug 4 11:50:24 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:38:34 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >news:r4knehpm4r2lb20drc6d12d91r6r0umpv3@4ax.com:

    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
    shortage in Siberia.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.


    There is most definitely a functional neuron shortage in John
    Larkin's skull cavity. That's for sure.

    I don't mind that as long as I have women.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Aug 4 11:55:46 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 8:51:25 AM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote: >> On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
    isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density

    Looks like they're listing population per unit of land of the entire country. Of course that's going to be misleading. Below is another table of urban population density, population per unit of land within the city, derived from 2006 data, it's much
    worse now. U.S. has 140 million people crammed into its cities, and the urban population density is right up there with China and India.
    http://demographia.com/db-intlua-area2000.htm
    So there you have it, an overindulged population crammed into cities like sardines.

    The cramming was mostly voluntary. Young things graduating from tiny
    college dorms into tiny high-rise apartments.

    City densities have dropped lately. SF is down about 5%, which makes a difference. I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
    quieter, greener place.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Aug 4 11:57:38 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-den
    sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds. We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
    conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the alligator
    pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is no
    reason to kill them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Aug 4 18:38:34 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in news:r4knehpm4r2lb20drc6d12d91r6r0umpv3@4ax.com:

    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
    shortage in Siberia.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.


    There is most definitely a functional neuron shortage in John
    Larkin's skull cavity. That's for sure.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Aug 4 19:37:27 2022
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in news:n55oehdu63nid7tc4octc7clpf3c2v020j@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:38:34 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >>news:r4knehpm4r2lb20drc6d12d91r6r0umpv3@4ax.com:

    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
    shortage in Siberia.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.


    There is most definitely a functional neuron shortage in John
    Larkin's skull cavity. That's for sure.

    I don't mind that as long as I have women.

    Show your wife that statement. I am sure she will be pleased that
    you used a plural there.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Aug 4 19:42:44 2022
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d
    en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds.
    We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
    conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
    Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jack Webb@21:1/5 to corvid on Thu Aug 4 22:05:01 2022
    XPost: free.spam

    A bizarre nym-shifting troll...

    see also...
    =?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl ckbirds.org> =?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice cows.moo>
    Banders <snap mailchute.com>
    Covid-19 <always.look message.header>
    corvid <bl ckb.ird>
    Corvid <bl ckbirds.net>
    Corvid <bl ckbirds.org>
    Cows Are Nice <cows nice.moo>
    Cows are nice <moo cows.org>
    Cows are Nice <nice cows.moo>
    dogs <dogs home.com>
    Great Pumpkin <pumpkin patch.net>
    Jose Curvo <jcurvo mymail.com>
    Local Favorite <how2recycle palomar.info>
    Sea <freshness coast.org>
    Standard Poodle <standard poodle.com>
    triangles <build home.com>
    and others...

    --
    corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:

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    On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>


    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
    farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
    the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
    Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
    can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
    works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
    sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
    not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
    no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
    subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
    bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
    beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
    wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
    without having to lift a finger.

    USDA does mention part of that.

    https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences

    "In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
    These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
    livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
    level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
    residences; the households on these farms " and on many other small
    farms " rely heavily on off-farm income."



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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Aug 4 16:18:14 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:37:27 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >news:n55oehdu63nid7tc4octc7clpf3c2v020j@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:38:34 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in >>>news:r4knehpm4r2lb20drc6d12d91r6r0umpv3@4ax.com:

    Sugar. Cuba. Next there will be a sand shortage in Syria and an ice
    shortage in Siberia.

    There's already a woman shortage in China.


    There is most definitely a functional neuron shortage in John
    Larkin's skull cavity. That's for sure.

    I don't mind that as long as I have women.

    Show your wife that statement. I am sure she will be pleased that
    you used a plural there.

    I have a wife, two daughters, and one grand-daughter. They are all
    great and all know one another.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Thu Aug 4 16:25:43 2022
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >>>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d
    en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds.
    We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
    conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
    Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left
    for you to feel superior to?

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  • From Edward Hernandez@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 01:13:06 2022
    See also these Jake Isks (aka John Doe) troll nym-shift names:

    John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    John <look@post.header>
    Judge Dredd <always.look@post.header>
    "Edward's Mother" <always.see@post.header>
    "Edward's Father" <always.see@post.header>
    Edward Hernandez Loves Porn <always.view@post.header>
    Edward Hernandez Smells Funny <view@post.header>
    Jack Webb <myopinion@least.com>

    Jake Isks (aka John Doe troll) claiming it has never nym-shifted on
    Usenet: http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165248158300

    In message-id <t6nt3e$7bp$3@dont-email.me> (http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165357273000) posted Thu, 26 May 2022
    12:50:54 -0000 (UTC) John Dope stated:

    Always Wrong, the utterly foulmouthed group idiot, adding absolutely
    NOTHING but insults to this thread, as usual...

    Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope's post ratio
    to USENET (**) has been 76.1% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults" to USENET.

    ** Since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Dope has posted at
    least 3610 articles to USENET. Of which 176 have been pure insults and
    2571 have been John Dope "troll format" postings.

    The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

    The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

    And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

    The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
    breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
    CLUELESS...

    And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
    incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 4 Aug 2022 22:05:01 -0000
    (UTC) in message-id <tchfqc$2trm4$2@dont-email.me>.

    FfOzXKHc2xpR

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Aug 5 00:49:26 2022
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in news:p6loehtd9la3a3fdqoom2elftimpul6oep@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is
    the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by
    -d en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these
    idiotds. We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there >>>>conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap
    pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer
    is no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
    Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be
    left for you to feel superior to?



    Nice try, TrumpChump.

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Aug 4 20:40:14 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:49:26 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    <snip>

    It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.

    Communists believe in the leading role of the party, which means that a small group, selected for their enthusiasm for politics, gets to tell the rest of the country what to do. They can be as ill-informed as John Larkin, and - if they are - things
    frequently go badly wrong. Most forms of government have the same basic problem. Donald Trump's approach to Covid-19 management wasn't all that expert.

    Communists don't screw up any more often than other autocracies and the problem is in the autocracy, rather than the political system they claim to believe in.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology. on Fri Aug 5 05:43:26 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:49:14 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <h35oeh9hudfn1m4t4pa1sos50djlg9lrcl@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated" >>> >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density >>> The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is
    high on productivity.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    "Prez said the reasons for this season's low production include a shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting
    up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen which was hoarded by the health sector to combat COVID-19 needed to repair
    breakages. He also blamed a lack of fuel and spare tires due to U.S. sanctions."
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cuba-sugar-harvest-half-expected-sector-crisis-85420083

    They better mechanize the harvesting because those workers will die doing that in the heat.



    It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.

    The US is wrecking places all over the world to support its weapon industry, responsible for so many death, including covid
    Destroying competition ...
    I was reading Uri Geller was using mind control to disable US nukes or something,
    and wants people to help him using mind force.
    Is an old song, (We had him in the studio in the seventies, I asked a technician "is he a fake?"
    no clear answer).
    Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the local US nuke here, but got hurt somehow
    think maybe they added some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium?
    then just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check the stuff will be re-assembled wrong.
    You know 'red wire or blue wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood movies.
    Did not try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood.
    Changing the codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@

    Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology. on Fri Aug 5 05:28:11 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:55:46 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <485oeh9j2ivl2m97val84us8bt655ri13h@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 8:51:25 AM UTC-4, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated"
    isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density

    Looks like they're listing population per unit of land of the entire country. Of course that's going to be misleading. Below is
    another table of urban population density, population per unit of land within the city, derived from 2006 data, it's much worse
    now. U.S. has 140 million people crammed into its cities, and the urban population density is right up there with China and
    India.
    http://demographia.com/db-intlua-area2000.htm
    So there you have it, an overindulged population crammed into cities like sardines.

    The cramming was mostly voluntary. Young things graduating from tiny
    college dorms into tiny high-rise apartments.

    City densities have dropped lately. SF is down about 5%, which makes a >difference. I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
    quieter, greener place.

    Yes I already did that 25 years ago
    After that a Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into the highrise next where I used to live.
    Was in the approach route to Schiphol airport
    I did see it coming when one evening in the kitchen on the 9th floor
    2 big headlights came at me.. that one went just over the roof.

    But then again later I worked a while at that airport on some project ...

    Also a lot more violence and burglary in the cities
    caught one red-handed in my apartment.
    And parking places... And gardens... more here,

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jack Webb on Thu Aug 4 23:05:36 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 3:48:56 PM UTC+10, Jack Webb wrote:
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhipt...@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9....@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d >>>>> en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar >>>>dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds.
    We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there >>>>conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the >>>>alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve. >>Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left
    for you to feel superior to?

    All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per month.

    Illegal immigrants aren't dumb. It takes energy and enterprise to sneak into a country. Jake Isks is much to dumb to appreciate this.

    One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high technology. But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being replaced.

    Not so much replaced as supplemented by people who are willing to work for absurdly low rates of pay, which is why US capitalism has never been enthusiastic about effective border controls. It's also happy about exporting US jobs to countries where the
    rates of pay are even lower than US levels, but there are some domestic services where this doesn't work. They aren't high tech.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jack Webb@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Aug 5 05:48:50 2022
    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d
    en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds.
    We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there >>>>conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
    Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left
    for you to feel superior to?

    All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per month.
    One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high technology. But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being
    replaced.

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  • From Jack Webb@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 06:30:52 2022
    All it takes to sneak into our country is leaders who couldn't care less
    and/or leaders who want to replace the lower class. That's apparently what
    the establishment wants to do and that's one reason why the establishment
    hates Donald Trump.

    But in fact our current main problem isn't people who are sneaking into
    our country. The problem is our current administration DOCUMENTED paroling
    tens of thousands of illegal invaders into our country every month,
    invaders who won't show up if they ever do have a hearing because they
    will be told to leave.

    Likely there will be backlash, but that won't stop the trend. Our elected officials are not in control of America. The Deep State is currently a well-known force, it has existed for centuries, and has ripened here in America...

    From a London Times article on Nov 11, 1815... "it is in this bureaucracy, Gentlemen, that you will find the invisible and mischievous power which
    thwarts the most noble views, and prevents or weakens the effect of all
    the salutary reforms which France is incessantly calling for" (from a
    speech by Jean Guillaume Hyde, quoted on Merriam-Webster's site)






    Bozo Bill Sloman is an incessant liar from Australia who cannot be
    reasoned with. Its fiction never ends.

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo being Bozo)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo is a textbook cannibal leftist)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 5 00:39:36 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:30:58 PM UTC+10, Jack Webb wrote:

    Jake Isks is much to dumb to bother to post the test he is reacting to.

    Illegal immigrants aren't dumb. It takes energy and enterprise to sneak into a country. Jake Isks is much to dumb to appreciate this.

    All it takes to sneak into our country is leaders who couldn't care less and/or leaders who want to replace the lower class.

    Try it sometime.

    That's apparently what the establishment wants to do and that's one reason why the establishment hates Donald Trump.

    The US establishment has been importing cheap labour forever. That was what the slave trade was about.

    They hate Donald Trump because he is an incompetent lying half-wit. The only people who don't are those who are too stupid to have noticed this.

    But in fact our current main problem isn't people who are sneaking into our country. The problem is our current administration DOCUMENTED paroling tens of thousands of illegal invaders into our country every month, invaders who won't show up if they
    ever do have a hearing because they will be told to leave.

    But US employers want the cheap labour, so they couldn't care less.

    Likely there will be backlash, but that won't stop the trend.

    Jake Isks is the backlash, such as it is. Rational people figure that if he doesn't like the situation it must be good for the rational majority.

    Our elected officials are not in control of America.

    Of course they are. Jake Isks doesn't like what they are doing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't in control.

    The Deep State is currently a well-known force, it has existed for centuries, and has ripened here in America...

    Of course it is. It is also called a persistent delusion, and Jakes Isks is more flamboyantly deluded than most of the lunatics who believe this kind of nonsense.

    From a London Times article on Nov 11, 1815...

    Which was talking about Napoleon's bureaucracy in France.This isn't going to tell us much about problems in America 200 years later, even if it does remind us that conspiracy theory lunatics are always with us.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jack Webb@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Fri Aug 5 09:52:05 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

    Jake Isks is much to dumb to... yada yada yada.

    My favorite is...

    "Your stupid!"

    At least that's concise.



    Bozo Bill Sloman is an incessant blathering liar who cannot be reasoned
    with. Its fiction never ends.

    "the user has posted under the same name in other places, so not
    nym-shifting" (Bozo sucks at logic)

    "the Mueller investigation was about Trump only because Trump made it so"
    (Bozo being Bozo)

    "the concepts "male" and "female" are essentially social constructions"
    (Bozo is a textbook cannibal leftist)

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jack Webb on Fri Aug 5 03:32:27 2022
    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 7:52:11 PM UTC+10, Jack Webb wrote:
    Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:

    Jake Isks is much to dumb to... yada yada yada.

    My favorite is...

    "Your stupid!"

    At least that's concise.

    But wrong. It should be "you are stupid" or "you're stupid", both of which happen to both correct and grammatical, not skills you have ever mastered.

    Recycling old insults does let you edit out the insults which made you look foolish enough for even you to notice. I don't feel any need to repost any of them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 5 11:42:41 2022
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:tcianm$32rsq$1@dont-email.me:

    Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the
    local US nuke here, but got hurt somehow think maybe they added
    some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium? then
    just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check
    the stuff will be re-assembled wrong. You know 'red wire or blue
    wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood movies. Did not
    try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood. Changing the
    codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@


    Ol' Jan Pan here displays extreme stupidity with nearly every post
    now.

    Senile and stupid to start with adds up to a group infesting retard
    spewing utter horseshit about the world.

    Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
    idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

    Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!

    You are an absloute idiot, and a wholly childish old man.

    Ol' Jan Pan here is a bloody disgrace to mankind.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 5 11:38:15 2022
    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:tcianm$32rsq$1@dont-email.me:

    The US is wrecking places all over the world to support its weapon
    industry, responsible for so many death, including covid
    Destroying competition ...

    You are an idiot. EADS is a perfect example of why.

    Several places in the world do better than the US in certain
    technologies. And sell better too. You know, idiot, COMPETITION.

    You could not be more stupid if you tried.

    Had the US and all allied nations not excelled in their defense
    sectors, you would be speaking Russian or Chinese, and that would have
    been done decades ago.

    Just what the fuck do you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was, you
    pathetic, stupid old idiot?

    Ol' Jan Pan here is about the dumbest electronics person I have ever
    seen in my life.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jack Webb on Fri Aug 5 11:48:24 2022
    Jack Webb <myopinion@least.com> wrote in
    news:tcib02$32pev$1@dont-email.me:

    All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per
    month. One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given
    high technology. But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level
    population is being replaced.

    You 're an abject idiot along with the rest of the Trump Cult total
    retards.

    The USA is 100% immigrants, including you, Webb boy. I know of no
    native Americans named Webb. So even your ancestry began elsewhere.
    In other words, your comments above make you a goddamned utter idiot,
    at best.

    The only exception are the "Native Americans", and even they came
    only after the last ice age passed. But they would have the strongest
    claim to NOT being in the "immigrant" group.

    You Trumpers are about as stupid as it gets.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Anthony William Sloman on Fri Aug 5 11:32:19 2022
    Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:e9fd4731-c269-448e-bcaf-e0bd0c51758dn@googlegroups.com:

    On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:49:26 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4,
    jla...@highlandsniptec
    hnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.
    wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

    <snip>

    It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty
    of.

    Communists believe in the leading role of the party, which means
    that a small group, selected for their enthusiasm for politics,
    gets to tell the rest of the country what to do. They can be as
    ill-informed as John Larkin, and - if they are - things frequently
    go badly wrong. Most forms of government have the same basic
    problem. Donald Trump's approach to Covid-19 management wasn't all
    that expert.

    Communists don't screw up any more often than other autocracies
    and the problem is in the autocracy, rather than the political
    system they claim to believe in.


    Spot on.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 5 04:54:28 2022
    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 07:44:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:49:14 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in <h35oeh9hudfn1m4t4...@4ax.com>:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated" >>> >isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density >>> The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is >>> high on productivity.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    "Pérez said the reasons for this season's low production include a shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting
    up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen — which was hoarded by the health sector to combat COVID-19 — needed to repair
    breakages. He also blamed a lack of fuel and spare tires due to U.S. sanctions."
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cuba-sugar-harvest-half-expected-sector-crisis-85420083

    They better mechanize the harvesting because those workers will die doing that in the heat.



    It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.
    The US is wrecking places all over the world to support its weapon industry, responsible for so many death, including covid
    Destroying competition ...
    I was reading Uri Geller was using mind control to disable US nukes or something,
    and wants people to help him using mind force.
    Is an old song, (We had him in the studio in the seventies, I asked a technician "is he a fake?"
    no clear answer).
    Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the local US nuke here, but got hurt somehow
    think maybe they added some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium?
    then just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check the stuff will be re-assembled wrong.
    You know 'red wire or blue wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood movies.
    Did not try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood.
    Changing the codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@

    Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!
    Uri Geller is all but fake

    Wood's metal, also known as Lipowitz's alloy or by the commercial names Cerrobend, Bendalloy, Pewtalloy and MCP 158, is a metal alloy that is useful for soldering and making custom metal parts, but which is toxic to touch or breathe vapors from. The
    alloy is named for Barnabas Wood, who first created and patented the alloy in 1860.[1][2] It is a eutectic, fusible alloy of 50% bismuth, 26.7% lead, 13.3% tin, and 10% cadmium by mass. It has a melting point of approximately 70 °C (158 °F).[3][4]

    Wood's metal is useful as a low-melting solder, low-temperature casting metal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood%27s_metal

    Magic Spoon




    A metal spoon placed in the hot water disappears. It is made of low temperature melting alloy.

    Materials
    Soldering iron, dental impression material, plastic coffee spoon, tea cup, tea bag, electric kettle, ceramic plate, burner, test tube, balance

    Chemicals
    Hot water, Wood's metal, (you can prepare it by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium, 5,4 g lead and 2,66 g tin).

    Experimental

    Prepare Wood's metal by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium, 5,4 g lead and 2,66 g tin.
    Pour the melted alloy on a ceramic plate.
    After cooling crush it on a small pieces.
    Prepare enough dental impression material according to the instructions.
    Press the coffee spoon into the dental impression material to make a mold (Fig. 1).
    Wait to get hard according to the instructions and than remove the spoon.
    Place the Wood's metal pieces in the mold and melt them with the tio of the soldering iron.
    If needed add more Wood's metal in the mold.
    After cooling, remove the metal spoon and if necessary make some corrections of the shape (Fig. 2).

    Fig. 1. Mold


    Fig. 2. Magic spoons

    To demonstrate the magic spoon, boil water and place it in the tea cup with a tea bag.
    Then, stir the tea with the magic spoon.
    Remove the spoon from the cup and ask the audience what happened with the spoon.

    Observation and Discussion

    Wood's metal is an alloy consisted of lead, tin, bismuth and cadmium. It is also known as Lipowitz's alloy, Bendalloy, Cerrobend, and Pewtalloy. It is a fusible alloy with a melting point of approximately 70 °C. When a spoon made of this alloy is
    inserted in a cup with hot tea it melts. It is unusually for a metal – metal alloy to have such a low melting temperature.

    Safety Tips
    Wood's metal is toxic because it contains lead and cadmium. Therefore contact with the bare skin is thought to be harmful. Wearing protective gloves are required when handling it. Cadmium poisoning carries the risk of cancer and damage to the liver,
    kidneys, nerves, bones, and respiratory system.
    Take precautions to avoid electric shock. Keep electrical equipment away from water or any other liquid, conductive or not.

    http://www.m-experiments.com/Magic%20spoon.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jack Webb on Fri Aug 5 11:55:04 2022
    Jack Webb <myopinion@least.com> wrote in news:tcides$32pev$6@dont-
    email.me:

    All it takes to sneak

    Says "John Doe" the nymshift loser. Sneaky fucktard, eh?

    Yep. Yet another retarded nym too.

    The story you are about to be is true. You changed your name because
    you are as guilty as fuck. Zero innocence in you, fool.

    Your name gets changed because you are a pussy. You refuse to
    debate, because you are a PUSSY.

    Just like your lack of grasp of what torque is. Otherwise you would
    know that your choice of a torque source does not match the load.

    You are a load though... A load of your mother's shit. They should
    shoot her for failing to flush you the moment she shat you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From marty@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Aug 5 23:02:18 2022
    On 5/8/22 21:42, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
    idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

    Sepogyny!

    --
    Marty

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to myopinion@least.com on Fri Aug 5 05:50:05 2022
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 05:48:50 -0000 (UTC), Jack Webb
    <myopinion@least.com> wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>>news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the
    problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d
    en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar >>>>>dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds.
    We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there >>>>>conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve. >>>Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left
    for you to feel superior to?

    All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per month.
    One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high technology. >But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being >replaced.

    Immigrants aren't necessarily dumb. There is selective diffusion to immigration. The most adventurous and the smartest and the bravest and
    the most restless (and the most criminal) tend to emigrate. The upside
    of that is the many great foreign-born scientists and engineers and
    business types that we get. The US gets so many Nobel prizes partly
    because the best scientists tend to emigrate here.

    I wonder what is the mean IQ of our illegal immigrants?

    Immigrants do initially push down the cost of low-end labor, which
    hurts US worker-guys but helps middle and upper classes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Aug 5 05:35:42 2022
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 00:49:26 -0000 (UTC), DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >news:p6loehtd9la3a3fdqoom2elftimpul6oep@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in >>>news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in >>>>>news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is
    the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by
    -d en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar >>>>>dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these
    idiotds. We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there >>>>>conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap
    pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer
    is no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve. >>>Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be
    left for you to feel superior to?



    Nice try, TrumpChump.

    Yeah, that wasn't bad.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc on Fri Aug 5 15:05:40 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 5 Aug 2022 11:42:41 -0000 (UTC)) it happened DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in <tcivnh$sm1$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

    Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in >news:tcianm$32rsq$1@dont-email.me:

    Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the
    local US nuke here, but got hurt somehow think maybe they added
    some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium? then
    just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check
    the stuff will be re-assembled wrong. You know 'red wire or blue
    wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood movies. Did not
    try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood. Changing the
    codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@


    Ol' Jan Pan here displays extreme stupidity with nearly every post
    now.

    Senile and stupid to start with adds up to a group infesting retard
    spewing utter horseshit about the world.

    Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
    idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

    Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!

    You are an absloute idiot, and a wholly childish old man.

    Ol' Jan Pan here is a bloody disgrace to mankind.

    I see your brain took the same hit as ByeThens

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to manta103g@gmail.com on Fri Aug 5 15:04:32 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 5 Aug 2022 04:54:28 -0700 (PDT)) it happened a a <manta103g@gmail.com> wrote in <2ea2b33d-15e8-4eb1-a7a5-a40af6ab0ecdn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, 5 August 2022 at 07:44:28 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:49:14 -0700) it happened John Larkin

    <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
    <h35oeh9hudfn1m4t4...@4ax.com>:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 08:51:18 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
    <BobEng...@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density - "overpopulated" >>
    isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-density >>
    The USA is mostly a nice place. Some inner cities are bad, and in
    general there are too many SUVs.

    Productive people do indulge themeslves and their kids, and the UAS is >>
    high on productivity.

    I just read that here's a sugar shortage in Cuba.

    "P=C3=A9rez said the reasons for this season's low production include a >shortage of herbicides and fertilizers, a delay in starting
    up sugar mills, and even a lack of oxygen =E2=80=94 which was hoarded by >the health sector to combat COVID-19 =E2=80=94 needed to repair
    breakages. He also blamed a lack of fuel and spare tires due to U.S. sanctions."


    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/cuba-sugar-harvest-half-expected-sector-crisis-85420083


    They better mechanize the harvesting because those workers will die doing >that in the heat.



    It's fundamental that Communists wreck whatever people had plenty of.
    The US is wrecking places all over the world to support its weapon industry, >>
    responsible for so many death, including covid
    Destroying competition ...
    I was reading Uri Geller was using mind control to disable US nukes or something,

    and wants people to help him using mind force.
    Is an old song, (We had him in the studio in the seventies, I asked a technician
    "is he a fake?"
    no clear answer).
    Anyways I used my telekenetic powers to mess with the core of the local US >nuke here, but got hurt somehow
    think maybe they added some telekinetic protection or it was just the plutonium?

    then just tried changing the color of the wring so in the next check the stuff >will be re-assembled wrong.
    You know 'red wire or blue wire' which one to cut?' as in those Hollowwood >movies.
    Did not try very hard on that one but need to be in the mood.
    Changing the codes would work too, hey Uri, that is an idea!@

    Shit y'r pants CIA!!!!
    Uri Geller is all but fake

    Wood's metal, also known as Lipowitz's alloy or by the commercial names Cerrobend,
    Bendalloy, Pewtalloy and MCP 158, is a metal alloy that is useful for >soldering and making custom metal parts, but which is toxic to touch or breathe
    vapors from. The alloy is named for Barnabas Wood, who first created
    and patented the alloy in 1860.[1][2] It is a eutectic, fusible alloy of 50% >bismuth, 26.7% lead, 13.3% tin, and 10% cadmium by mass. It has a melting >point of approximately 70 =C2=B0C (158 =C2=B0F).[3][4]

    Wood's metal is useful as a low-melting solder, low-temperature casting metal

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood%27s_metal

    Magic
    Spoon


    =09

    A metal spoon placed in the hot water disappears. It is made of low temperature
    melting alloy.

    Materials
    Soldering iron, dental impression material, plastic coffee spoon, tea cup, tea >bag, electric kettle, ceramic plate, burner, test tube, balance

    Chemicals
    Hot water, Wood's metal, (you can prepare it by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium,
    5,4 g lead and 2,66 g tin).

    Experimental

    Prepare Wood's metal by melting 10 g bismuth, 2 g cadmium, 5,4 g lead and
    2,66 g tin.
    Pour the melted alloy on a ceramic plate.
    After cooling crush it on a small pieces.
    Prepare enough dental impression material according to the instructions.

    Press the coffee spoon into the dental impression material to make a mold
    (Fig. 1).
    Wait to get hard according to the instructions and than remove the spoon.

    Place the Wood's metal pieces in the mold and melt them with the tio of
    the soldering iron.
    If needed add more Wood's metal in the mold.
    After cooling, remove the metal spoon and if necessary make some corrections
    of the shape (Fig. 2).

    Fig. 1. Mold
    =09

    Fig. 2. Magic spoons

    To demonstrate the magic spoon, boil water and place it in the tea cup with
    a tea bag.
    Then, stir the tea with the magic spoon.
    Remove the spoon from the cup and ask the audience what happened with the
    spoon.

    Observation and Discussion

    Wood's metal is an alloy consisted of lead, tin, bismuth and cadmium. It is >also known as Lipowitz's alloy, Bendalloy, Cerrobend, and Pewtalloy. It is
    a fusible alloy with a melting point of approximately 70 =C2=B0C. When a spoon >made of this alloy is inserted in a cup with hot tea it melts. It is unusually >for a metal =E2=80=93 metal alloy to have such a low melting temperature.

    Safety
    Tips
    Wood's metal is toxic because it contains lead and cadmium. Therefore contact >with the bare skin is thought to be harmful. Wearing protective gloves are >required when handling it. Cadmium poisoning carries the risk of cancer and >damage to the liver, kidneys, nerves, bones, and respiratory system.
    Take precautions to avoid electric shock. Keep electrical equipment away from >water or any other liquid, conductive or not.

    http://www.m-experiments.com/Magic%20spoon.html

    Would it not be simpler and safer to use a spoon made of sugar in the hot coffee?
    Any food paint could make it look like silvery metal.

    My telekinesis experiments go way back to high school days...
    It seems to have worked on ByeThen's brain, he started saying funny things.

    Could also be a defective Military Industrial Compex Control Chip implant though
    or some drugs from his son?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Aug 5 18:47:51 2022
    On 2022-08-05 14:50, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 05:48:50 -0000 (UTC), Jack Webb
    <myopinion@least.com> wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
    news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in
    news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the >>>>>>> problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d >>>>>>> en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds.
    We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
    conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits.

    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
    Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left
    for you to feel superior to?

    All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per month.
    One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high technology. >> But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being
    replaced.

    Immigrants aren't necessarily dumb. There is selective diffusion to immigration. The most adventurous and the smartest and the bravest and
    the most restless (and the most criminal) tend to emigrate. The upside
    of that is the many great foreign-born scientists and engineers and
    business types that we get. The US gets so many Nobel prizes partly
    because the best scientists tend to emigrate here.

    The US gets many Nobel prizes because it's big, not because it has
    a disproportionate number of smart scientists. Normalized to the
    total population, you're not exceptional at all.

    Granted, you're doing better than the EU.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to marty on Fri Aug 5 19:00:31 2022
    On 2022-08-05 15:02, marty wrote:
    On 5/8/22 21:42, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
    idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

    Sepogyny!


    I don't know where the 'sepo' comes from, but the 'gyny' refers to
    women, so this makes no sense.

    The 'miso' is 'hatred' so it should be more like 'miso-something',
    where the something is some greek-derived term referring unequivocally
    to the USA.

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri Aug 5 19:08:51 2022
    On 2022-08-05 19:00, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-08-05 15:02, marty wrote:
    On 5/8/22 21:42, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term for
    idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

    Sepogyny!


    I don't know where the 'sepo' comes from, but the 'gyny' refers to
    women, so this makes no sense.

    The 'miso' is 'hatred' so it should be more like 'miso-something',
    where the something is some greek-derived term referring unequivocally
    to the USA.

    Jeroen Belleman


    Come to think of it, much of the antipathy against the US dates
    from the Bush administrations. How about 'misothamny'? (From
    the Greek for bush or shrub.)

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri Aug 5 19:25:49 2022
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in news:tcjibf$14rt$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 2022-08-05 15:02, marty wrote:
    On 5/8/22 21:42, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
    Misogyny is hatred for women. We need to come up with a term
    for
    idiots like ol' Jan Pan here for his retarded hatred of the USA.

    Sepogyny!


    I don't know where the 'sepo' comes from, but the 'gyny' refers to
    women, so this makes no sense.

    The 'miso' is 'hatred' so it should be more like 'miso-something',
    where the something is some greek-derived term referring
    unequivocally to the USA.

    Jeroen Belleman


    Ante Amicus Americanus

    Non Friend to Americans

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  • From Flyguy@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Fri Aug 5 19:53:02 2022
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 7:25:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    What, SNIPPERMAN, did you forget the Soylent Green solution?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri Aug 5 20:14:16 2022
    On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 12:53:06 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 7:25:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    What, Sloman, did you forget the Soylent Green solution?

    I read the story that it originally came from, the science fiction novel Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison, back when it first came out in 1966. Harry Harrison wasn't up to much. As a solution, cannibalism is nonsense, but presumably the kind of
    nonsense that appeals to you. You would be more useful feeding other people that you are at the moment, but the risk that whatever it is that has wrecked your brain might be passed on to the people who ate your remains, means that it it isn't a solution
    that anybody sane would recommend. The fact that you like it proves my point.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to GnatTurd on Sat Aug 6 03:00:36 2022
    GnatTurd <flyscum2day@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f0622f9f-d758-45af-8b62-701af8854f1dn@googlegroups.com:

    did you forget the Soylent Green solution?

    Retarded fuck like you. Goddamned shame "The Stuff" isn't real,
    because you would surely be addicted to it and would blow up REAL GOOD.

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri Aug 12 20:55:04 2022
    Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-08-05 14:50, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 05:48:50 -0000 (UTC), Jack Webb
    <myopinion@least.com> wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 19:42:44 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
    news:ai5oeh9bf3otvhiptomj91dapkc6c1cfa3@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 18:35:22 -0000 (UTC),
    DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

    Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote in
    news:ahPGK.558952$vAW9.367489@fx10.iad:

    On 8/1/2022 10:12 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    [...]
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. [...]

    It's 177th out of 234 countries in population density -
    "overpopulated" isn't the problem. Grossly over-indulged is the >>>>>>>> problem.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-d >>>>>>>> en sity


    And also definitely over cult dopeshit indulged, sports bar
    dumbshit indulged and militant idiot indulged.

    We don't need bear spray and tasers to deal with these idiotds. >>>>>>> We
    need to hit them with a curare dart so they can then lay there
    conscious but unable to move, even as they get added to the
    alligator pit odr get made into bait for the feral hog trap pits. >>>>>>>
    The way they act, it is exactly what they deserve.

    Just because some kid is a shallow airhead who orders bad beer is
    no reason to kill them.

    Bad beer, no. But a choice to IGNORE due diligence and VET a
    proven lifelong criuminal and then believe his petty lies and
    pathetic insults and then jump on his ill informed Bad Hayride and
    vote for the 100% criminal, 100% buffoon is about as stupid as it
    gets. Alligator food or worm food is the destiny they deserve.
    Especially if they are still riding the dumbfuck's criminal
    coattails.

    Once you kill off the dumbest 25% of the population, who would be left >>>> for you to feel superior to?

    All the illegals who are replacing them. Tens of thousands per month.
    One can imagine some logic in reducing our population given high
    technology.
    But that's not what's happening. Our lower-level population is being
    replaced.

    Immigrants aren't necessarily dumb. There is selective diffusion to
    immigration. The most adventurous and the smartest and the bravest and
    the most restless (and the most criminal) tend to emigrate. The upside
    of that is the many great foreign-born scientists and engineers and
    business types that we get. The US gets so many Nobel prizes partly
    because the best scientists tend to emigrate here.

    The US gets many Nobel prizes because it's big, not because it has
    a disproportionate number of smart scientists.

    It has an unsustainable number of universities, mainly. The rest of the Americas should actually do better than the US, outside of immigration patterns.

    Which has a lot to do with the number of universities.

    Why the rest of the Americas doesn't beat us all is one my great
    unanswered questions.

    Normalized to the
    total population, you're not exceptional at all.


    Nope! We're the most ordinary of people.

    Granted, you're doing better than the EU.


    WWII and the post war periods were not kind to the EU. The EU could do
    better if the embarrassment could subside. I mean really steer into
    the phenomena that we all know now and accept that humans can be that
    way, and that allowing people of actual conscience some space is the
    only way to prevent it.

    America is a strange place, one where we tried being Deliberate about everything rather than pointing backwards to the path we used to get
    here. It breeds a different sort of hilarity.

    I think that in a lot of ways, the Canadians have us all beat. At a cost
    to them.

    Jeroen Belleman


    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Aug 12 21:00:50 2022
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come.  No, it can't possibly be *climate* to
    blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right?  :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

    It can be. I was born to the wrong sort of Cargill, and until
    recently ( the Reaper has had his toll ) it was... familial.

    I can claim Henson Cargill as a distant kinsman. See also "Skip a Rope"
    ( song ) .

    Since your brought it up - in the hope that you find as much use for
    this as I have - here is a map-UI-based database for farm subsidies.

    It's basically a picture of who does farming in the United States.

    When you drill down, the recipient is invariably "<x> Family Trust"
    where <x> owns trucking, small industry and all manner of things.

    https://farm.ewg.org/

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to rbowman on Fri Aug 12 21:09:09 2022
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 10:21 PM, corvid wrote:
    On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms> >>>>

    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
    farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
    the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
    Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
    can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
    works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
    sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
    not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
    no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
    subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
    bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
    beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
    wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
    without having to lift a finger.

    USDA does mention part of that.

    https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences

    "In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
    These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
    livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
    level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
    residences; the households on these farms – and on many other small
    farms – rely heavily on off-farm income."

    As Earl Butz said during the Johnson administration, 'Get big or get
    out.' He also had the insight that cheap food is very important to keep
    the natives from getting restless.

    I'd say he finally eliminated food insecurity. We used to get oranges at Christmas - like "WTF? They got oranges everywhere now" but it was the
    bony hand of the Depression offering the orange, from when people went
    hungry.

    My folks were Silents and the nostalgia for all that privation was
    startling and palpable. We didn't know what an orange meant.

    They did.

    Too bad about that 'loose shoes,
    tight pussy, and a warm place to shit' crack that got him fired.

    Absolutely hilarious. Not everybody should try their hand at songwriting
    and that .. might not have been the place to start.

    Too much candor can be fatal to a politician.

    Yeah, well. People push the "lose" button all the time. Re Ron White:
    "I had the right to remain silent, but I did not have the ability."

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to Flyguy on Fri Aug 12 21:11:40 2022
    Flyguy wrote:
    On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 7:25:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 12:12:47 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

    Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

    https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
    The US could eat a lot less meat. China has more of a problem.

    --
    SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

    What, SNIPPERMAN, did you forget the Soylent Green solution?


    You mean SOY LENTil as intended in the book or the fillum which
    .. expanded on it?

    My favorite riff on that is from "Waterworld" - "eat recycled food".


    Think that one through.

    --
    Les Crgill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Aug 12 21:16:31 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <snip>
    Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
    we have it in our cells to be young too.


    Our cells have timers that spell our end. They're called "telomeres",
    une use of "telos" to mean "time".

    If you have long telomeres, the cancer will get you. If you have short telomeres, your DNA wears out and critical organs stop maintaining
    themselves.

    We're sold out by the very thing that makes us who are.

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Aug 12 21:20:41 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    <snip>

    Also a lot more violence and burglary in the cities
    caught one red-handed in my apartment.
    And parking places... And gardens... more here,



    My eldest caught someone vandalizing her Ring camera, which
    was caught completely on "tape". It's the last in a long saga.


    They actually put the guy in jail. We'll see what happens after.

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Fri Aug 12 19:28:41 2022
    On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:16:40 PM UTC+10, Les Cargill wrote:
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <snip>
    Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
    we have it in our cells to be young too.


    Our cells have timers that spell our end. They're called "telomeres",
    A use of "telos" to mean "time".

    If you have long telomeres, the cancer will get you. If you have short telomeres, your DNA wears out and critical organs stop maintaining themselves.

    We're sold out by the very thing that makes us who are.

    We rely on an evolved mechanism. Evolution cares about the survival of the species and depends on you living long enough to reproduce - and in our case to look after our kids until they are old enough to look after themselves.

    We aren't "sold out" by this. There's nothing to stop us tinkering with the mechanism and modifying it to let us live longer. The obvious modification is to put some error detection and error correction into the DNA replication system. It wouldn't make
    us live forever, but it could increase the life-span quite a bit.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Fri Aug 12 19:41:55 2022
    On 8/12/2022 7:20 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    <snip>

    Also a lot more violence and burglary in the cities
    caught one red-handed in my apartment.
    And parking places... And gardens... more here,



    My eldest caught someone vandalizing her Ring camera, which
    was caught completely on "tape". It's the last in a long saga.

    They actually put the guy in jail. We'll see what happens after.

    Don't expect much.

    One of the nonprofits that I work with is often vandalized/burgled.
    They have extensive video surveillance in place.

    In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
    one of the cameras (idiots didn't think about wearing facemasks??).
    And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they'd
    shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
    breaking the windows)

    All of this video was delivered to the police -- who apprehended
    the "suspects".

    NO ONE spent a night in jail!

    In some cases, theft is regarded as the victim's "problem" to
    resolve. Police will make "reports" but little else.

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Fri Aug 12 21:18:25 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    <nip>


    I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
    quieter, greener place.


    Gene Autry wasn't kidding with "Don't Fence Me In"

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Fri Aug 12 22:26:32 2022
    On 08/12/2022 08:18 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    John Larkin wrote:
    <nip>


    I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
    quieter, greener place.


    Gene Autry wasn't kidding with "Don't Fence Me In"


    Quibble -- Roy Rogers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkrQMfL9MKg

    "Turn me loose, set me free
    Somewhere in the middle of Montana
    And give me all I've got comin' to me
    And keep your retirement
    And your so called social security
    Big city, turn me loose and set me free"


    Damn straight.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Fri Aug 12 22:21:49 2022
    On 08/12/2022 08:09 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 10:21 PM, corvid wrote:
    On 8/2/22 13:18, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    <https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms> >>>>>


    "Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
    agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
    production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
    almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
    Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
    production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1% of
    farms and 12% of production."
    That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than
    the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management.
    Another thing they don't mention is that a lot of these small farms
    can't support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners
    works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that
    sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they're
    not mentioning is there's a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of
    no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks,
    subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a
    bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing
    beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood
    wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop
    without having to lift a finger.

    USDA does mention part of that.

    https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2010/05/18/small-farms-big-differences

    "In fact, all of the growth occurred among farms under $1,000 in sales.
    These are classified as farms so long as they have enough land or
    livestock to generate $1000, whether or not actual sales reach that
    level. Most of these operations are better described as rural
    residences; the households on these farms – and on many other small
    farms – rely heavily on off-farm income."

    As Earl Butz said during the Johnson administration, 'Get big or get
    out.' He also had the insight that cheap food is very important to
    keep the natives from getting restless.

    I'd say he finally eliminated food insecurity. We used to get oranges at Christmas - like "WTF? They got oranges everywhere now" but it was the
    bony hand of the Depression offering the orange, from when people went hungry.

    Yeah, my father was born in 1899 and talked about getting an orange for Christmas. My mother was the same vintage. When she was a kid her
    younger brother died of diphtheria. Not uncommon but just prior to
    taking sick he'd eaten a banana, which was exotic. It took her a long
    time to break the association of bananas and death.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Fri Aug 12 22:16:57 2022
    On 08/12/2022 08:00 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be losing >>> the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be *climate* to >>> blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

    It can be. I was born to the wrong sort of Cargill, and until
    recently ( the Reaper has had his toll ) it was... familial.

    I can claim Henson Cargill as a distant kinsman. See also "Skip a Rope"
    ( song ) .

    Since your brought it up - in the hope that you find as much use for
    this as I have - here is a map-UI-based database for farm subsidies.

    It's basically a picture of who does farming in the United States.

    When you drill down, the recipient is invariably "<x> Family Trust"
    where <x> owns trucking, small industry and all manner of things.

    https://farm.ewg.org/

    I noticed an interesting pattern in this state. Stockman Bank,
    Independence Bank, and Northwest Farm Credit Services are in the top 7.
    Even that's misleading since the Montana DNRC Trust Land Management is
    the leader but hasn't gotten any money since 2012. The DRNC in general
    took up the slack since 2012 and is 6th.

    The banks grabbed all the money since 2019, not a dime before.

    "EWG has identified this recipient as a bank or lending institution that received the payment because the payment applicant had a loan requiring
    any subsidy payments go to the lender first. In 2019, the information
    provided to EWG by USDA began to include the entity that received the
    payment, rather than the person or entity that applied for it, which was previously provided. This move to shield subsidy recipients from
    disclosure enables USDA to further evade taxpayer accountability. Six
    percent of subsidy dollars went to banks, lending institutions, or the
    Farm Service Agency.”


    Neat. The other two in the top seven are S Farms and Patriot Farms. Good
    luck drilling down into them although Patriot seems to be in the real
    estate business too.

    Ted Turner has three 'ranches' here. I wonder how much he collects.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Aug 13 10:10:44 2022
    On 08/12/2022 08:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
    In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
    one of the cameras (idiots didn't think about wearing facemasks??).
    And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they'd
    shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
    breaking the windows)

    In a long and active life I've known some petty criminals. Most aren't
    too bright. As they describe their past and future plans it's like
    talking to Wile E. Coyote.

    I didn't know the perp but I had an old pickup that I left unlocked in
    the company parking lot. It had a cassette player in a bracket under the
    dash. There was an obvious tab which you pushed down and the player slid
    out of the bracket. With the player removed it was easy to unscrew the
    bracket mounts. They missed the part about sliding out the player and
    somehow got the screws out of one side of the bracket before deciding it
    was too much work and left the whole thing dangling from the dash.

    I seldom drove the truck since I could walk to work, but I went out one
    day to go someplace. It was raining so I turned the wipers on only to
    realize there weren't any. At least that crook was successful in
    stealing two wiper arms.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 13 09:35:31 2022
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:10:44 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 08:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
    In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
    one of the cameras (idiots didn't think about wearing facemasks??).
    And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they'd
    shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
    breaking the windows)

    In a long and active life I've known some petty criminals. Most aren't
    too bright. As they describe their past and future plans it's like
    talking to Wile E. Coyote.

    I didn't know the perp but I had an old pickup that I left unlocked in
    the company parking lot. It had a cassette player in a bracket under the >dash. There was an obvious tab which you pushed down and the player slid
    out of the bracket. With the player removed it was easy to unscrew the >bracket mounts. They missed the part about sliding out the player and
    somehow got the screws out of one side of the bracket before deciding it
    was too much work and left the whole thing dangling from the dash.

    I seldom drove the truck since I could walk to work, but I went out one
    day to go someplace. It was raining so I turned the wipers on only to
    realize there weren't any. At least that crook was successful in
    stealing two wiper arms.

    When I was in the USSR, everyone removed their wiper blades unless it
    was actually raining or showing, because if they left them they'd be
    stolen.

    On a construction site, all sorts of stuff was stolen. "Nobody owns
    it." The construction guys mostly played cards all day.

    Maybe things are better now, but I doubt that. Per-capita GDP is still
    anout 1/6 of europe's.

    Communism sure made people un-civil and un-productive.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Aug 13 12:06:31 2022
    On 8/13/2022 9:10 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 08:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
    In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
    one of the cameras (idiots didn't think about wearing facemasks??).
    And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they'd
    shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
    breaking the windows)

    In a long and active life I've known some petty criminals. Most aren't too bright. As they describe their past and future plans it's like talking to Wile
    E. Coyote.

    I didn't know the perp but I had an old pickup that I left unlocked in the company parking lot. It had a cassette player in a bracket under the dash. There was an obvious tab which you pushed down and the player slid out of the bracket. With the player removed it was easy to unscrew the bracket mounts. They missed the part about sliding out the player and somehow got the screws out of one side of the bracket before deciding it was too much work and left the whole thing dangling from the dash.

    "not thinking it through".

    In the example I cited, the (locked) door to each room had a glass window, reinforced with a wire grid (I guess to make it more like "safety glass").
    They would break the window. Then, reach in and lift UP on the "door lever" (think about it, not a round *knob*). This, of course, was the wrong way
    to actuate the door release -- press *down*.

    Discovering that the door was still "locked" (on the inside, too?? c'mon... think!), they would climb in and out through the window as they removed items from the rooms.

    We found it hilarious to watch as even the pet *cat* that frequented the building had figured out that it could open a *closed* door by jumping
    up and throwing its weight on the door lever.

    Sad when a *cat* is smarter than the thieves!

    I seldom drove the truck since I could walk to work, but I went out one day to
    go someplace. It was raining so I turned the wipers on only to realize there weren't any. At least that crook was successful in stealing two wiper arms.

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Aug 13 17:57:52 2022
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:27:48 -0600) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jkvev7Fs2oU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony >>> William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
    <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>>>> On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields. >>>>>>
    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
    appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways >>>>> and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty.. >>>>> The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something >>>> like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined
    areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the >>>> soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans
    There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
    Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
    Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


    Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices
    against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
    cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
    operation.

    Yea pollution like caused by fracking is much worse,

    Not so much. Fracking is just water and soap ( surfactants ). The
    (surface) property owners watch the operators like a hawk. You break it,
    you pay for it. The wrong sorta spill is an EPA event. And you'd better self-report it.

    They do go through a whacking great deal of diesel. So that part's quite
    real.

    Drilling mud is the real nasty stuff. It's also generally proprietary.

    there are several examples and have been several lawsuits against industry killing people
    by dumping stuff
    You won't die from cow shit, good fertilizer,

    Then they might as well shoot all dogs... more dogs than cattle in the cities and those leave their mark everywhere.
    Man! and just this week horse shit on the roads here, those recreational horse riders do not clean up their shit either.
    <snip>

    I was always told horse poop is fairly non-toxic but that's gotta be
    annoying. :)

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Aug 13 17:49:35 2022
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 08:00 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be
    losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come.  No, it can't possibly be
    *climate* to
    blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right?  :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

    It can be. I was born to the wrong sort of Cargill, and until
    recently ( the  Reaper has had his toll ) it was... familial.

    I can claim Henson Cargill as a distant kinsman. See also "Skip a Rope"
    ( song ) .

    Since your brought it up - in the hope that you find as much use for
    this as I have - here is a map-UI-based database for farm subsidies.

    It's basically a picture of who does farming in the United States.

    When you drill down, the recipient is invariably "<x> Family Trust"
    where <x> owns trucking, small industry and all manner of things.

    https://farm.ewg.org/

    I noticed an interesting pattern in this state. Stockman Bank,
    Independence Bank, and Northwest Farm Credit Services are in the top 7.
    Even that's misleading since the Montana DNRC Trust Land Management is
    the leader but hasn't gotten any money since 2012. The DRNC in general
    took up the slack since 2012 and is 6th.

    The banks grabbed all the money since 2019, not a dime before.


    Huh. Y'know, bankers being ... well, bankers through omninous
    "stockman's associations" is kinda a cliche in Westerns set in Montana.
    It's like Sam Waterson's character in "Heaven's Gate".

    "EWG has identified this recipient as a bank or lending institution that received the payment because the payment applicant had a loan requiring
    any subsidy payments go to the lender first. In 2019, the information provided to EWG by USDA began to include the entity that received the payment, rather than the person or entity that applied for it, which was previously provided. This move to shield subsidy recipients from
    disclosure enables USDA to further evade taxpayer accountability.

    Whut? "enables USDA to further evade taxpayer accountability."

    Lol!

    Six
    percent of subsidy dollars went to banks, lending institutions, or the
    Farm Service Agency.”


    Neat. The other two in the top seven are S Farms and Patriot Farms. Good
    luck drilling down into them although Patriot seems to be in the real
    estate business too.


    Anything named "Patriot" anything is gonna be deep down the private
    equity rabbit hole.

    Ted Turner has three 'ranches' here. I wonder how much he collects.





    I think he kind of invented buying a ranch in Montana as a marque of
    status.

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sat Aug 13 18:01:12 2022
    Don Y wrote:
    On 8/12/2022 7:20 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    <snip>

    Also a lot more violence and burglary in the cities
    caught one red-handed in my apartment.
    And parking places... And gardens... more here,



    My eldest caught someone vandalizing her Ring camera, which
    was caught completely on "tape". It's the last in a long saga.

    They actually put the guy in jail. We'll see what happens after.

    Don't expect much.

    One of the nonprofits that I work with is often vandalized/burgled.
    They have extensive video surveillance in place.

    In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
    one of the cameras (idiots didn't think about wearing facemasks??).
    And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they'd
    shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
    breaking the windows)

    All of this video was delivered to the police -- who apprehended
    the "suspects".

    NO ONE spent a night in jail!

    In some cases, theft is regarded as the victim's "problem" to
    resolve. Police will make "reports" but little else.


    The "long saga" included threats of violence and at least one
    restraining order. He's in the jailhouse now.

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Aug 13 18:06:24 2022
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 08:18 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    John Larkin wrote:
    <nip>


     I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
    quieter, greener place.


    Gene Autry wasn't kidding with "Don't Fence Me In"


    Quibble -- Roy Rogers.


    Maybe even Frank Sinatra :) ( it was an oft covered song ).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkrQMfL9MKg

    "Turn me loose, set me free
    Somewhere in the middle of Montana
    And give me all I've got comin' to me
    And keep your retirement
    And your so called social security
    Big city, turn me loose and set me free"


    Damn straight.


    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From Les Cargill@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sat Aug 13 18:05:09 2022
    John Larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:10:44 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
    wrote:

    On 08/12/2022 08:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
    In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
    one of the cameras (idiots didn't think about wearing facemasks??).
    And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they'd
    shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
    breaking the windows)

    In a long and active life I've known some petty criminals. Most aren't
    too bright. As they describe their past and future plans it's like
    talking to Wile E. Coyote.

    I didn't know the perp but I had an old pickup that I left unlocked in
    the company parking lot. It had a cassette player in a bracket under the
    dash. There was an obvious tab which you pushed down and the player slid
    out of the bracket. With the player removed it was easy to unscrew the
    bracket mounts. They missed the part about sliding out the player and
    somehow got the screws out of one side of the bracket before deciding it
    was too much work and left the whole thing dangling from the dash.

    I seldom drove the truck since I could walk to work, but I went out one
    day to go someplace. It was raining so I turned the wipers on only to
    realize there weren't any. At least that crook was successful in
    stealing two wiper arms.

    When I was in the USSR, everyone removed their wiper blades unless it
    was actually raining or showing, because if they left them they'd be
    stolen.

    On a construction site, all sorts of stuff was stolen. "Nobody owns
    it." The construction guys mostly played cards all day.

    Maybe things are better now, but I doubt that. Per-capita GDP is still
    anout 1/6 of europe's.

    Communism sure made people un-civil and un-productive.


    After the fall it got worse. The SU was a failed state. Those
    don't generally get any better.

    "Bald and Bankrupt" on YouTube goes
    to "old Soviet" places mainly to show the decline since.

    He does a bit about the Soviet space shuttle, the Buran.

    40 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fZ-r5Qe3tM

    --
    Les Cargill

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Sun Aug 14 00:07:08 2022
    On 08/13/2022 04:49 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/12/2022 08:00 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    rbowman wrote:
    On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
    On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
    weathering this one.

    Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who'll likely be
    losing
    the
    family farm in the years to come. No, it can't possibly be
    *climate* to
    blame!
    They're just bad farmers, right? :>

    Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

    It can be. I was born to the wrong sort of Cargill, and until
    recently ( the Reaper has had his toll ) it was... familial.

    I can claim Henson Cargill as a distant kinsman. See also "Skip a Rope"
    ( song ) .

    Since your brought it up - in the hope that you find as much use for
    this as I have - here is a map-UI-based database for farm subsidies.

    It's basically a picture of who does farming in the United States.

    When you drill down, the recipient is invariably "<x> Family Trust"
    where <x> owns trucking, small industry and all manner of things.

    https://farm.ewg.org/

    I noticed an interesting pattern in this state. Stockman Bank,
    Independence Bank, and Northwest Farm Credit Services are in the top
    7. Even that's misleading since the Montana DNRC Trust Land Management
    is the leader but hasn't gotten any money since 2012. The DRNC in
    general took up the slack since 2012 and is 6th.

    The banks grabbed all the money since 2019, not a dime before.


    Huh. Y'know, bankers being ... well, bankers through omninous
    "stockman's associations" is kinda a cliche in Westerns set in Montana.
    It's like Sam Waterson's character in "Heaven's Gate".

    We don't really kill people as frequently as 'Yellowstone' infers but
    there's a grain of reality. I don't know why but Yellowstone is filmed
    in the Bitterroot Valley and Missoula except for some establishing
    shots. There are some dairy operations in the Bitterroot but this is not
    cow country.

    The show runner may have looked at Billings, Livingston, and Bozeman and gagged.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Les Cargill on Sun Aug 14 00:11:19 2022
    On 08/13/2022 04:57 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:27:48 -0600) it happened rbowman
    <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jkvev7Fs2oU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
    Anthony
    William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
    <64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

    On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje
    wrote:
    On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
    Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
    wrote:
    On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields. >>>>>>>
    That's an insane misunderstanding of reality. You're knowledge of >>>>>>> the situation
    is what's called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
    appointment
    with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is
    making you insane.


    There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

    There aren't.

    Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking
    highways
    and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty.. >>>>>> The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or
    something
    like that and want to kill them all it seems.

    The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in
    very confined
    areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which
    contaminates the
    soil and the ground-water in the area

    Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that
    is used for us humans
    There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed. >>>> Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
    Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


    Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices >>> against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
    cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
    operation.

    Yea pollution like caused by fracking is much worse,

    Not so much. Fracking is just water and soap ( surfactants ). The
    (surface) property owners watch the operators like a hawk. You break it,
    you pay for it. The wrong sorta spill is an EPA event. And you'd better self-report it.

    They do go through a whacking great deal of diesel. So that part's quite real.

    Drilling mud is the real nasty stuff. It's also generally proprietary.

    there are several examples and have been several lawsuits against
    industry killing people
    by dumping stuff
    You won't die from cow shit, good fertilizer,

    Then they might as well shoot all dogs... more dogs than cattle in the
    cities
    and those leave their mark everywhere.
    Man! and just this week horse shit on the roads here, those recreational
    horse riders do not clean up their shit either.
    <snip>

    I was always told horse poop is fairly non-toxic but that's gotta be annoying. :)


    It's part of the scenery on the trails around here. It's better than
    little plastic bags of dog crap. The dog owners have the 'bag it' part
    down but struggle with 'and take it with you.'


    Bit of trivia: butterflies love nice fresh piles of horse manure.They
    also love rotting fish. Being pretty has advantages.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bowman@montana.com on Sun Aug 14 10:02:43 2022
    On a sunny day (Sun, 14 Aug 2022 00:11:19 -0600) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jlri0bFevs3U1@mid.individual.net>:

    Bit of trivia: butterflies love nice fresh piles of horse manure.They
    also love rotting fish. Being pretty has advantages.

    There are some nice flowers in my garden.
    The cats from nextdoors chase butterflies by jumping high to the flowers where those sit
    sucking honey and then eat the butterflies!
    Sometimes they take the whole branch of flowers to the ground with it,
    I just let it be, its nature :-)

    Bit of a heatwave here now, 29 C in the shadow, 31.4 C indoors last night
    I like it :-)

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sun Aug 14 13:14:49 2022
    On 08/14/2022 04:02 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Sun, 14 Aug 2022 00:11:19 -0600) it happened rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jlri0bFevs3U1@mid.individual.net>:

    Bit of trivia: butterflies love nice fresh piles of horse manure.They
    also love rotting fish. Being pretty has advantages.

    There are some nice flowers in my garden.
    The cats from nextdoors chase butterflies by jumping high to the flowers where those sit
    sucking honey and then eat the butterflies!
    Sometimes they take the whole branch of flowers to the ground with it,
    I just let it be, its nature :-)

    A cat that was hanging around delighted in chasing and eating
    butterflies, grasshoppers, and other insects. One day he caught a yellowjacket,Dolichovespula arenaria, a particularly aggressive wasp.
    His species identification got a lot better after that episode.


    Bit of a heatwave here now, 29 C in the shadow, 31.4 C indoors last night
    I like it :-)


    I don't have AC so the highest indoor temperature I've seen this summer
    was a little over 37 C (99 F). The forecast for today is 32.7 back up
    to 37.2 on Wednesday, with all days above 33 for the week.

    I don't mind it but I went to an Irish festival in Butte yesterday and
    walked up to a mine disaster memorial when the dancers were performing.
    Butte is an old mining town where some of the city streets are steeper
    than many hiking trails so it was a bit of a workout in the heat. I
    doubt the dancers were having a good time either.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Aug 14 13:41:17 2022
    On 8/14/2022 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:
    I don't have AC so the highest indoor temperature I've seen this summer was a little over 37 C (99 F). The forecast for today is 32.7 back up to 37.2 on Wednesday, with all days above 33 for the week.

    Ouch! That would be intolerable, here -- esp during Monsoon. Summer would
    be tolerable as you could resort to evaporative cooling but monsoon leaves
    you with fans and bodies that can't shed heat very quickly into humid air!

    I don't mind it but I went to an Irish festival in Butte yesterday and walked up to a mine disaster memorial when the dancers were performing. Butte is an old mining town where some of the city streets are steeper than many hiking trails so it was a bit of a workout in the heat. I doubt the dancers were having a good time either.

    We lost a large (30yo) ocotillo in the most recent storm. No easy way to rid yourself of it other than cutting one branch at a time with gloved hands!
    The work wasn't particularly strenuous (though having to bend and CAREFULLY pick each branch off the ground, individually, and CAREFULLY carry it to
    a bundle-in-progress got tiring). And, 100F isn't too terrible for outdoor work.

    But, returning indoors, the sweat would flow like someone had turned on a spigot! As if the body suddenly realized it could benefit from evaporation (cooler, drier inside air).

    That done, I now have to turn my attention to deepening the water catchment
    in the back yard. Won't be able to do that once Monsoon is over (and the ground turns back to concrete!).

    Again, the work isn't too demanding. But, hauling the removed soil out to
    the front yard is problematic as there is no path for a Bobcat or even a wheelbarrow between the two (and driving through the house will raise eyebrows!)

    [Solution: dig a big HOLE and put the dirt in the hole!!! :-/ ]

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Aug 14 22:37:49 2022
    On 08/14/2022 02:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
    We lost a large (30yo) ocotillo in the most recent storm. No easy way
    to rid
    yourself of it other than cutting one branch at a time with gloved hands!
    The work wasn't particularly strenuous (though having to bend and CAREFULLY pick each branch off the ground, individually, and CAREFULLY carry it to
    a bundle-in-progress got tiring). And, 100F isn't too terrible for outdoor work.

    Could be a teddybear cholla... I'd love to see a packrat in the act of decorating his nest with cholla joints. One of the first things I
    learned while riding a mountain bike in the desert was what species you
    never wanted to crash into and ocotillo is on the list. It is pretty
    after it rains though.

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Aug 14 22:45:46 2022
    On 8/14/2022 9:37 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 08/14/2022 02:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
    We lost a large (30yo) ocotillo in the most recent storm. No easy way
    to rid
    yourself of it other than cutting one branch at a time with gloved hands!
    The work wasn't particularly strenuous (though having to bend and CAREFULLY >> pick each branch off the ground, individually, and CAREFULLY carry it to
    a bundle-in-progress got tiring). And, 100F isn't too terrible for outdoor >> work.

    Could be a teddybear cholla... I'd love to see a packrat in the act of decorating his nest with cholla joints. One of the first things I learned while
    riding a mountain bike in the desert was what species you never wanted to crash
    into and ocotillo is on the list.

    Also important not to leave branches on driveways/roads/etc. as they can puncture tires!

    It is pretty after it rains though.

    What's cool is the new leafs are extremely subtle. Then, dry out and turn
    into those nasty spines!

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  • From DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadenc@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Aug 15 11:19:33 2022
    rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:jlonfsF20c3U1
    @mid.individual.net:

    On 08/12/2022 08:18 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
    John Larkin wrote:
    <nip>


    I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
    quieter, greener place.


    Gene Autry wasn't kidding with "Don't Fence Me In"


    Quibble -- Roy Rogers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkrQMfL9MKg

    "Turn me loose, set me free
    Somewhere in the middle of Montana
    And give me all I've got comin' to me
    And keep your retirement
    And your so called social security
    Big city, turn me loose and set me free"


    Damn straight.

    "Big city"? Bunch of healots!

    When there were a mere 128 million citizens across the entire
    nation. Now we are at 329 million.

    I for one am glad that my military service was enough that I get VA
    health care using top of the line sophisticated equipment.

    I will also enjoy getting back retirement checks against all those
    payments I made into the system for all of those decades.

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