• Re: Anybody wants to order programming work ?

    From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 07:29:08 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he1983912@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    ******************************************************************
    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 *** >*******************************************************************

    What can you do?

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 11:47:52 2022
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  • From Rich S@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jul 30 12:07:02 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:29:17 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he19...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ******************************************************************
    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 *** >*******************************************************************
    What can you do?

    The "gig economy" is knocking on the doors of s.e.d.
    So now the conversations go
    - - - - - - - - -
    "Hey I'm a programmer for hire"

    "What can you do?"

    [Silence - "programmer" was deemed enough] or
    "Just tell me what YOU want done & I 'll let you know if I'm interested"
    - - - - - - - -
    I get the impression, having seen many new faces come & go
    in the IT divisions, that since projects are broken down into several very short term tasks (sprints), it supports these "new ways of business."
    They are hired as contractors, no benefits, no protections, etc.
    They know or will quickly learn whatever language or system thrown
    at them ( but only very little ramp-up time is probably tolerated).

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Rich S on Sat Jul 30 13:54:20 2022
    On 07/30/2022 01:07 PM, Rich S wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:29:17 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he19...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ******************************************************************
    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 ***
    *******************************************************************
    What can you do?

    The "gig economy" is knocking on the doors of s.e.d.
    So now the conversations go
    - - - - - - - - -
    "Hey I'm a programmer for hire"

    "What can you do?"

    [Silence - "programmer" was deemed enough] or
    "Just tell me what YOU want done & I 'll let you know if I'm interested"
    - - - - - - - -
    I get the impression, having seen many new faces come & go
    in the IT divisions, that since projects are broken down into several very short term tasks (sprints), it supports these "new ways of business."
    They are hired as contractors, no benefits, no protections, etc.
    They know or will quickly learn whatever language or system thrown
    at them ( but only very little ramp-up time is probably tolerated).


    I worked contract/consultant, whatever you want to call it, in the '80s.
    You never discussed your hourly rates with the permanent employees. What
    they wouldn't factor in was the lack of benefits, long term security,
    and so forth. When you're self employed you pay the half of the SS tax
    the employer pays for direct, your insurance and other expenses, plus
    laying aside money for the slack period.

    Programming is a bit different than other disciplines. I know jack about
    the chemistry of pH electrodes, tantalum capacitor production, the
    physics of semiconductor sputtering systems, and so forth, but given the outline of the transform from the inputs to the desired output I can
    make it happen and do it in most common programming languages.

    Good technical writers are similar. They know how to produce a coherent document without necessarily knowing anything at all about the field
    prior to starting.

    It does make the initial interview challenging. Your selling point is
    you know absolutely nothing about the client's current problem but you
    have a track record of being a damn fast learner.

    All that said, it does help if you throw out a little bait other than
    'I'm a programmer'. That's ultimately why I went back to being a direct employee. I really suck at fishing for work and don't enjoy it at all.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Rich S on Sat Jul 30 12:43:16 2022
    On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 21:07:06 UTC+2, Rich S wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:29:17 PM UTC, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he19...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ******************************************************************
    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 *** >*******************************************************************
    What can you do?
    The "gig economy" is knocking on the doors of s.e.d.
    So now the conversations go
    - - - - - - - - -
    "Hey I'm a programmer for hire"

    "What can you do?"

    [Silence - "programmer" was deemed enough] or
    "Just tell me what YOU want done & I 'll let you know if I'm interested"
    - - - - - - - -
    I get the impression, having seen many new faces come & go
    in the IT divisions, that since projects are broken down into several very short term tasks (sprints), it supports these "new ways of business."
    They are hired as contractors, no benefits, no protections, etc.
    They know or will quickly learn whatever language or system thrown
    at them ( but only very little ramp-up time is probably tolerated).
    I have joined Coffee&Power Project, funded by Bezos
    to have large teams of IT workers on-line, live, involved in high-tech projects broken down into tiny pieces

    As an outsider I learned a lot since project development was open, originated by Second Life

    Not sure we can do it now again.

    My suggestion is to have every IT developer to join Self-EGO Project, as part-time activity, to turn Internet search engines
    into an intelligent knowledge databases, supporting interactive communication.

    Today, Internet search engines support zero-level (lowest level) interactive model of knowledge representation, as flat timeline clocked search results, populated by web links, called : curated content

    But curated search results don't support any form of interaction, like one known from human-2-human chat

    In theory and practice, modern Internet search engines can be voice operated.

    But what is supported is entering of search terms via voice

    But I need State-of-the-art searchers to support Fly around the Knowledge Globe,
    to be supported by geolocated visualization of the progress in the field, integrating Google Earth alike engine with geolocated search results to let me fly around the globe ( virtual flight) and meet heavy working developers, visit conferences, shows,
    meet friends, meet professors, researchers on-the-fly
    to cut communication time

    Twitter, Facebook, Usenet all live in the past century
    not supporting modern knowledge reprsentation, deep knowledge systems.

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Jul 30 23:35:18 2022
    On 2022-07-30 21:54, rbowman wrote:
    On 07/30/2022 01:07 PM, Rich S wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:29:17 PM UTC,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he19...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ******************************************************************


    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 ***
    *******************************************************************


    What can you do?

    The "gig economy" is knocking on the doors of s.e.d. So now the
    conversations go - - - - - - - - - "Hey I'm a programmer for hire"

    "What can you do?"

    [Silence - "programmer" was deemed enough] or "Just tell me what
    YOU want done & I 'll let you know if I'm interested" - - - - - - -
    - I get the impression, having seen many new faces come & go in the
    IT divisions, that since projects are broken down into several
    very short term tasks (sprints), it supports these "new ways of
    business." They are hired as contractors, no benefits, no
    protections, etc. They know or will quickly learn whatever language
    or system thrown at them ( but only very little ramp-up time is
    probably tolerated).


    I worked contract/consultant, whatever you want to call it, in the
    '80s. You never discussed your hourly rates with the permanent
    employees. What they wouldn't factor in was the lack of benefits,
    long term security, and so forth. When you're self employed you pay
    the half of the SS tax the employer pays for direct, your insurance
    and other expenses, plus laying aside money for the slack period.

    Programming is a bit different than other disciplines. I know jack
    about the chemistry of pH electrodes, tantalum capacitor production,
    the physics of semiconductor sputtering systems, and so forth, but
    given the outline of the transform from the inputs to the desired
    output I can make it happen and do it in most common programming
    languages.

    Good technical writers are similar. They know how to produce a
    coherent document without necessarily knowing anything at all about
    the field prior to starting.

    It does make the initial interview challenging. Your selling point is
    you know absolutely nothing about the client's current problem but
    you have a track record of being a damn fast learner.

    All that said, it does help if you throw out a little bait other than
    'I'm a programmer'. That's ultimately why I went back to being a
    direct employee. I really suck at fishing for work and don't enjoy it
    at all.

    This guy has been hanging out on comp.lang.php, posting code snippets
    for things no one seems to care about. He doesn't come across as
    very mature.

    Jeroen Belleman
    .

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Sat Jul 30 23:23:21 2022
    On 07/30/2022 03:35 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-30 21:54, rbowman wrote:
    On 07/30/2022 01:07 PM, Rich S wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:29:17 PM UTC,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he19...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ******************************************************************


    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 ***
    *******************************************************************


    What can you do?

    The "gig economy" is knocking on the doors of s.e.d. So now the
    conversations go - - - - - - - - - "Hey I'm a programmer for hire"

    "What can you do?"

    [Silence - "programmer" was deemed enough] or "Just tell me what
    YOU want done & I 'll let you know if I'm interested" - - - - - - -
    - I get the impression, having seen many new faces come & go in the
    IT divisions, that since projects are broken down into several
    very short term tasks (sprints), it supports these "new ways of
    business." They are hired as contractors, no benefits, no
    protections, etc. They know or will quickly learn whatever language
    or system thrown at them ( but only very little ramp-up time is
    probably tolerated).


    I worked contract/consultant, whatever you want to call it, in the
    '80s. You never discussed your hourly rates with the permanent
    employees. What they wouldn't factor in was the lack of benefits,
    long term security, and so forth. When you're self employed you pay
    the half of the SS tax the employer pays for direct, your insurance
    and other expenses, plus laying aside money for the slack period.

    Programming is a bit different than other disciplines. I know jack
    about the chemistry of pH electrodes, tantalum capacitor production,
    the physics of semiconductor sputtering systems, and so forth, but
    given the outline of the transform from the inputs to the desired
    output I can make it happen and do it in most common programming
    languages.

    Good technical writers are similar. They know how to produce a
    coherent document without necessarily knowing anything at all about
    the field prior to starting.

    It does make the initial interview challenging. Your selling point is
    you know absolutely nothing about the client's current problem but
    you have a track record of being a damn fast learner.

    All that said, it does help if you throw out a little bait other than
    'I'm a programmer'. That's ultimately why I went back to being a
    direct employee. I really suck at fishing for work and don't enjoy it
    at all.

    This guy has been hanging out on comp.lang.php, posting code snippets
    for things no one seems to care about. He doesn't come across as
    very mature.

    Jeroen Belleman
    .

    Not a place I frequent. php should have stayed Personal Home Page and
    died an early death. Like Perl it can get the job done in a quick and
    dirty fashion but tends to degenerate into an unmaintainable can of worms.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Jul 31 11:56:04 2022
    On Sunday, 31 July 2022 at 07:23:32 UTC+2, rbowman wrote:
    On 07/30/2022 03:35 PM, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 2022-07-30 21:54, rbowman wrote:
    On 07/30/2022 01:07 PM, Rich S wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:29:17 PM UTC,
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 03:12:10 -0700 (PDT), K <he19...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    ****************************************************************** >>>>>

    ***** Kristjan Robam ******** Telephone: (372) 5 3 9 0 0 6 6 0 ***
    ******************************************************************* >>>>

    What can you do?

    The "gig economy" is knocking on the doors of s.e.d. So now the
    conversations go - - - - - - - - - "Hey I'm a programmer for hire"

    "What can you do?"

    [Silence - "programmer" was deemed enough] or "Just tell me what
    YOU want done & I 'll let you know if I'm interested" - - - - - - -
    - I get the impression, having seen many new faces come & go in the
    IT divisions, that since projects are broken down into several
    very short term tasks (sprints), it supports these "new ways of
    business." They are hired as contractors, no benefits, no
    protections, etc. They know or will quickly learn whatever language
    or system thrown at them ( but only very little ramp-up time is
    probably tolerated).


    I worked contract/consultant, whatever you want to call it, in the
    '80s. You never discussed your hourly rates with the permanent
    employees. What they wouldn't factor in was the lack of benefits,
    long term security, and so forth. When you're self employed you pay
    the half of the SS tax the employer pays for direct, your insurance
    and other expenses, plus laying aside money for the slack period.

    Programming is a bit different than other disciplines. I know jack
    about the chemistry of pH electrodes, tantalum capacitor production,
    the physics of semiconductor sputtering systems, and so forth, but
    given the outline of the transform from the inputs to the desired
    output I can make it happen and do it in most common programming
    languages.

    Good technical writers are similar. They know how to produce a
    coherent document without necessarily knowing anything at all about
    the field prior to starting.

    It does make the initial interview challenging. Your selling point is
    you know absolutely nothing about the client's current problem but
    you have a track record of being a damn fast learner.

    All that said, it does help if you throw out a little bait other than
    'I'm a programmer'. That's ultimately why I went back to being a
    direct employee. I really suck at fishing for work and don't enjoy it
    at all.

    This guy has been hanging out on comp.lang.php, posting code snippets
    for things no one seems to care about. He doesn't come across as
    very mature.

    Jeroen Belleman
    .
    Not a place I frequent. php should have stayed Personal Home Page and
    died an early death. Like Perl it can get the job done in a quick and
    dirty fashion but tends to degenerate into an unmaintainable can of worms.
    in theory and practice,
    the whole WWW can be server-side generated as gif images, delivered to end-user and no need for web browser.

    You just click an object on png image
    and another, server-side generated png image is delivered to end-user in real time.

    No need to know anything about html, PHP, Perl

    to get live Internet

    HTML is an old fake, developed to support slow Internet transfer

    Interactive png is safe and fast present day.

    Overheads generated by htmlized web page turned png image
    don't matter if you live at high-speed Internet end.

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