1. Forum
  2. Usenet
  3. SCI.ELECTRONICS.DESIGN

  • OOL: origin of life

    From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 06:17:01 2022
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Jul 29 07:13:16 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Fri Jul 29 07:27:52 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Jul 29 16:09:36 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:27:52 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <mhr7eh92dqp490c8j02a7bbofo8j7f3j2e@4ax.com>:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

    Yea and silicon is irrelevant to electronics in your reasoning
    Idiot

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Fri Jul 29 16:09:36 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc-919e-eadf8ab1ac30n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Yes it is
    interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
    Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
    Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Jul 29 19:53:43 2022
    On 29/07/2022 15:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

    Life is *entirely* chemistry. It is just *very* complicated chemistry.

    Science is a much better approach than consigning everything that is
    presently unexplained to "Goddidit" as a "just so" explanation.


    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Fri Jul 29 19:53:15 2022
    On 29/07/2022 17:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc-919e-eadf8ab1ac30n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Yes it is
    interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
    Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
    Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?

    In a reducing atmosphere cyanide would be fairly long lived.

    It is highly toxic to us because we belong in an oxygen rich atmosphere
    and it is very reactive. These are however exactly the properties that
    make it able to form amino acids under the right conditions.

    A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
    clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.

    https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry



    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dimiter_Popoff@21:1/5 to Martin Brown on Fri Jul 29 23:04:29 2022
    On 7/29/2022 21:53, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 29/07/2022 15:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Except when it's nonsense. Life is a lot more than chemistry.

    Life is *entirely* chemistry. It is just *very* complicated chemistry.

    Science is a much better approach than consigning everything that is presently unexplained to "Goddidit" as a "just so" explanation.



    I'd be a bit more cautious with "entirely" as we don't understand
    everything but OK, as far as we know it looks so.

    However this - like any other - argument does not contradict the
    "God did it" one; we cannot prove God did not design the universe
    with its physical laws such that there would be complex chemistry
    to turn into life....

    Nor can we prove the opposite of course.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Sat Jul 30 04:13:31 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

    On 29/07/2022 17:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
    <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc-919e-eadf8ab1ac30n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Yes it is
    interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role.
    Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
    Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?

    In a reducing atmosphere cyanide would be fairly long lived.

    It is highly toxic to us because we belong in an oxygen rich atmosphere
    and it is very reactive. These are however exactly the properties that
    make it able to form amino acids under the right conditions.

    A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
    clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.

    https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry

    Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From a a@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Jul 30 05:44:59 2022
    On Saturday, 30 July 2022 at 06:25:10 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1...@gioia.aioe.org>:
    On 29/07/2022 17:09, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 07:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <6aa303a2-c14d-47bc...@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    origin of life
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/07/220728112005.htm

    Science is a wonderful thing.

    Yes it is
    interesting how cyanide, a very toxic substane to our life, plays a role. >> Or maybe it is because it so essential at the basics
    Bil Sloman knows more about chemistery?

    In a reducing atmosphere cyanide would be fairly long lived.

    It is highly toxic to us because we belong in an oxygen rich atmosphere
    and it is very reactive. These are however exactly the properties that
    make it able to form amino acids under the right conditions.

    A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular >clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.

    https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry
    Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!
    Life - called Self-EGO is made by interactions
    Bs of interactions with real world

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Martin Brown@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Sat Jul 30 16:20:45 2022
    On 30/07/2022 05:13, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1@gioia.aioe.org>:


    A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
    clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth.

    https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry

    Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!

    The spectrum of interstellar dust (long believed to be mostly some sort
    of carbon soot or basalt like mixture) was known long before fullerenes
    were discovered. No terrestrial organic spectrum quite matched it.

    https://cen.acs.org/articles/88/i30/Fullerenes-Found-Space.html

    Carbon stars are impressively red (but mostly dim as well) so you need a
    small telescope to see even the brightest ones. List here:

    https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/carbon-stars-will-make-see-red1203201401/


    --
    Regards,
    Martin Brown

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to '''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk on Sun Jul 31 05:20:16 2022
    On a sunny day (Sat, 30 Jul 2022 16:20:45 +0100) it happened Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc3i8f$1nrb$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

    On 30/07/2022 05:13, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:53:15 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote in <tc1aau$1nbu$1@gioia.aioe.org>:


    A remarkable number of compounds have been observed in dense molecular
    clouds including Buckminster fullerenes before they were found on Earth. >>>
    https://pweb.cfa.harvard.edu/news/gbt-detection-unlocks-exploration-aromatic-interstellar-chemistry

    Very nice they can detect that in the IR, amazing!

    The spectrum of interstellar dust (long believed to be mostly some sort
    of carbon soot or basalt like mixture) was known long before fullerenes
    were discovered. No terrestrial organic spectrum quite matched it.

    https://cen.acs.org/articles/88/i30/Fullerenes-Found-Space.html

    Carbon stars are impressively red (but mostly dim as well) so you need a >small telescope to see even the brightest ones. List here:

    https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/carbon-stars-will-make-see-red1203201401/

    Thanks
    especially the second link gives / leads to a lot of info!
    Did not now about that site.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)