• Kite Technology Used To Assist Propulsion Of Bulk Carriers

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 21 09:56:54 2022
    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Jul 21 10:29:17 2022
    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 18:56:57 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    fake

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Jul 21 10:32:08 2022
    On Thursday, 21 July 2022 at 18:56:57 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Jul 21 18:29:46 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <ef8dbea6-50d6-4b38-b9e4-087a36f9dbf7n@googlegroups.com>:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K
    Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it
    here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/

    Funny, was just on one of the German info channels yesterday on Astra 1 satellite
    Also these rotating round colums (forgot the name) to aid ship propulsion. ZDF-info? Or cable 1 info? or that other one (there are 3 I know about and frequently watch).

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Jul 21 18:39:20 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:40:28 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <ef8dbea6-50d6-4b38...@googlegroups.com>:
    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K
    Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it
    here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    Funny, was just on one of the German info channels yesterday on Astra 1 satellite
    Also these rotating round colums (forgot the name) to aid ship propulsion. ZDF-info? Or cable 1 info? or that other one (there are 3 I know about and frequently watch).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flettner_rotor

    My wife once took me to the Slomanhaus in Hamburg and there was a model of a 1920s Flettner rotor ship in the lobby, which I recognised for what it was.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to William Sloman on Fri Jul 22 04:52:00 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Jul 2022 18:39:20 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <97fe9a24-5b49-4669-bb0c-cccf3aeb3341n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:40:28 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
    <ef8dbea6-50d6-4b38...@googlegroups.com>:
    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on
    their K
    Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it
    here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    Funny, was just on one of the German info channels yesterday on Astra 1 satellite
    Also these rotating round colums (forgot the name) to aid ship propulsion. >> ZDF-info? Or cable 1 info? or that other one (there are 3 I know about and >> frequently watch).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flettner_rotor

    My wife once took me to the Slomanhaus in Hamburg and there was a model of a 1920s Flettner rotor ship in the lobby, which I
    recognised for what it was.

    Thanks, yes those.
    There seem to be ferries too that use those. to save fuel.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Jul 21 23:17:12 2022
    On 07/21/2022 10:56 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper

    Might be a few supply chain issues but they're really low in pollution
    as long as you don't piss over the side.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Fri Jul 22 08:32:22 2022
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/

    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Jul 22 08:57:19 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The short blurp mentions something about perpetually doing figure 8 maneuvers to increase the overall performance.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Jul 22 09:13:59 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this: https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Fri Jul 22 16:39:33 2022
    On a sunny day (Fri, 22 Jul 2022 08:32:22 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <5kgldhpfmfm90h8n93k4opafudvdbfju1n@4ax.com>:

    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their
    K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it
    here.
    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/

    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    It is doing the aerobatics to go and stay aloft.
    You should have seen that TV program... Was demonstrated there by hand flying
    a kite like that.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Fri Jul 22 16:59:25 2022
    Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The short blurp mentions something about perpetually doing figure 8 maneuvers to increase the overall performance.


    Makes sense. The air doesn't change speed instantaneously, so always
    moving into fresh wind would get you more momentum overall.


    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Fri Jul 22 14:38:33 2022
    On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 22:59:36 UTC+2, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The short blurp mentions something about perpetually doing figure 8 maneuvers to increase the overall performance.

    Makes sense. The air doesn't change speed instantaneously, so always
    moving into fresh wind would get you more momentum overall.


    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com
    stop your day dreaming delusiones
    Life is for real

    Kite Technology Used To Assist Propulsion Of Bulk Carriers
    is 50-year old fake

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Fri Jul 22 17:07:34 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 16:59:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The short blurp mentions something about perpetually doing figure 8 maneuvers to increase the overall performance.


    Makes sense. The air doesn't change speed instantaneously, so always
    moving into fresh wind would get you more momentum overall.


    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    One bunch of lunatics tried generating power with actual kites spooled
    out by winches that turned generators.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Sat Jul 23 02:53:30 2022
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this: >https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jul 23 03:35:44 2022
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 5:53:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this: >https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.
    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Was wondering how this originated. Turns out it was developed by Airbus.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/airbus-maritime-partner-launches-revolutionary-kite-tech-controlled-by-a-digital-twin-176589.html

    It is impressive. There's much more to it than meets the eye as they say.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sat Jul 23 07:09:22 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 12:35:47 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 5:53:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this: >https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.
    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1
    Was wondering how this originated. Turns out it was developed by Airbus.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/airbus-maritime-partner-launches-revolutionary-kite-tech-controlled-by-a-digital-twin-176589.html

    It is impressive. There's much more to it than meets the eye as they say.
    fake
    and delusional day dreaming

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Sat Jul 23 08:17:27 2022
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 5:53:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.
    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Was wondering how this originated. Turns out it was developed by Airbus.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/airbus-maritime-partner-launches-revolutionary-kite-tech-controlled-by-a-digital-twin-176589.html

    It is impressive. There's much more to it than meets the eye as they say.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Beluga_Skysails

    Development was started in 2001 and it was launched 15 years ago. I
    wonder how it's doing.

    Some small fraction of goofy ideas do work out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jul 23 08:43:57 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 17:17:38 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 5:53:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.
    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Was wondering how this originated. Turns out it was developed by Airbus.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/airbus-maritime-partner-launches-revolutionary-kite-tech-controlled-by-a-digital-twin-176589.html

    It is impressive. There's much more to it than meets the eye as they say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Beluga_Skysails

    Development was started in 2001 and it was launched 15 years ago. I
    wonder how it's doing.

    Some small fraction of goofy ideas do work out.
    life is for real
    don't live virtual ideas

    Just calculate wind energy for the area swept by a kite

    https://engineercalcs.com/how-to-calculate-wind-turbine-power-output/

    Betz Limit in wind power extraction

    In 1919, Albert Betz, a German physicist, made a discovery on the efficiency of wind turbines. They can’t convert more than 59.3% of the wind’s kinetic energy into mechanical energy.

    So, the power efficiency of wind turbines has a limit. It doesn’t matter how perfectly you design a wind turbine either.

    In other words, wind turbines can extract only so much energy from the wind. This is because of generator inefficiencies, drive train friction, and blade design.

    But even more, this inefficiency comes from wind slowing down. This happens as the turbine extracts energy from the wind. As a result, the wind leaving the turbine flows slower than the wind entering the turbine.

    This creates a blockage like in traffic on the highway. As cars slow down in front of you, you’ll eventually need to slow down too. No matter how far back you are from the traffic jam.

    Another way to think of it is to imagine what would happen if the turbine captured 100% of the wind power. The wind would simply stop.

    And for a turbine to properly work, some wind needs to flow out from the back. Otherwise, the blades won’t spin.

    In short, there’s a limit on the amount of air that can pass through a wind turbine for max power output. This limit we call the Betz Limit.
    Power Coefficient, Cp

    With that out of the way, let’s take a look at the Power Coefficient, Cp.

    This is the ratio of extracted power by the wind turbine to the total available power in the wind source.

    C_{p} = \frac{P_{T}}{P_{W}}, where C_{P\:MAX} = 0.59.

    Where the Betz Limit is the maximum possible value of C_{p}. Thus, 16/27 or 0.59.

    We can now update our power equation to read: P = \frac{1}{2} \times \rho \times A \times v^{3} \times C_{p}

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From a a@21:1/5 to a a on Sat Jul 23 09:06:49 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 17:44:00 UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 17:17:38 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 5:53:42 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.
    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Was wondering how this originated. Turns out it was developed by Airbus.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/airbus-maritime-partner-launches-revolutionary-kite-tech-controlled-by-a-digital-twin-176589.html

    It is impressive. There's much more to it than meets the eye as they say. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Beluga_Skysails

    Development was started in 2001 and it was launched 15 years ago. I
    wonder how it's doing.

    Some small fraction of goofy ideas do work out.
    life is for real
    don't live virtual ideas

    Just calculate wind energy for the area swept by a kite

    https://engineercalcs.com/how-to-calculate-wind-turbine-power-output/

    Betz Limit in wind power extraction

    In 1919, Albert Betz, a German physicist, made a discovery on the efficiency of wind turbines. They can’t convert more than 59.3% of the wind’s kinetic energy into mechanical energy.

    So, the power efficiency of wind turbines has a limit. It doesn’t matter how perfectly you design a wind turbine either.

    In other words, wind turbines can extract only so much energy from the wind. This is because of generator inefficiencies, drive train friction, and blade design.

    But even more, this inefficiency comes from wind slowing down. This happens as the turbine extracts energy from the wind. As a result, the wind leaving the turbine flows slower than the wind entering the turbine.

    This creates a blockage like in traffic on the highway. As cars slow down in front of you, you’ll eventually need to slow down too. No matter how far back you are from the traffic jam.

    Another way to think of it is to imagine what would happen if the turbine captured 100% of the wind power. The wind would simply stop.

    And for a turbine to properly work, some wind needs to flow out from the back. Otherwise, the blades won’t spin.

    In short, there’s a limit on the amount of air that can pass through a wind turbine for max power output. This limit we call the Betz Limit.
    Power Coefficient, Cp

    With that out of the way, let’s take a look at the Power Coefficient, Cp.

    This is the ratio of extracted power by the wind turbine to the total available power in the wind source.

    C_{p} = \frac{P_{T}}{P_{W}}, where C_{P\:MAX} = 0.59.

    Where the Betz Limit is the maximum possible value of C_{p}. Thus, 16/27 or 0.59.

    We can now update our power equation to read: P = \frac{1}{2} \times \rho \times A \times v^{3} \times C_{p}
    Wind Energy Calculator
    https://windcycle.energy/wind_turbine_calculator/

    Turbine type
    Horizontal Axis Wind Turbine (HAWT)
    Blade length
    m
    Wind speed
    km/h
    Available wind power
    kW
    Turbine efficiency
    %
    Wake losses
    %
    Output power before losses
    kW
    Losses

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jul 23 12:06:03 2022
    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Sat Jul 23 10:43:32 2022
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships,
    airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From a a@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jul 23 11:28:19 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships, airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Sat Jul 23 13:00:19 2022
    On 07/23/2022 11:43 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;) >>
    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships, airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjfL5LrS4jQ

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 23 14:01:36 2022
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;) >> >
    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships,
    airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible

    There's an impedance-match problem too, mismatch of ship velocity vs
    wind velocity. Windmills have variable-pitch blades.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lasse Langwadt Christensen@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 23 14:33:06 2022
    lørdag den 23. juli 2022 kl. 23.01.46 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships,
    airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible
    There's an impedance-match problem too, mismatch of ship velocity vs
    wind velocity. Windmills have variable-pitch blades.

    it is also (mostly?) a safety feature so they can feather the blades in high winds

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From a a@21:1/5 to lang...@fonz.dk on Sat Jul 23 14:57:34 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 23:33:09 UTC+2, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    lørdag den 23. juli 2022 kl. 23.01.46 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics? >> >>>
    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships,
    airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible
    There's an impedance-match problem too, mismatch of ship velocity vs
    wind velocity. Windmills have variable-pitch blades.
    it is also (mostly?) a safety feature so they can feather the blades in high winds
    we can start from kiteboarding, kitesurfing
    \to make basic calculations
    than build kite powered small ship

    Kiteboarding - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiteboarding

    Kiteboarding or kitesurfing is a sport that involves using wind power with a large power kite to pull a rider across a water, land, or snow surface. It combines aspects of paragliding, surfing, windsurfing, skateboarding, snowboarding, and wakeboarding.
    Kiteboarding is among the less

    History

    Late 20th century
    In October 1977 Gijsbertus Adrianus Panhuise (Netherlands) received the first patent for KiteSurfing. The patent covers, specifically, a water sport using a floating board of a surf board type


    Environments

    Kitesurfing on water includes freestyle and big air using a kiteboard similar to a wakeboard, kiting in waves using small surfboards with or without footstraps or bindings, foiling, and


    Governance

    International kiteboarding has several promoting organizations and has undergone many changes in the governance of the sport, including long-lasting disputes between several of those entities, trying to negate each other the right to promote such


    Techniques

    Kiteboarding can pose hazards to surfers, beachgoers, bystanders and others on the water. Many problems and dangers that may be encountered while learning kiting can be avoided or minimized by taking professional instruction through lesson centers.
    Kitesurfing


    Kitesurfing Records

    Jump records (height, length, time)
    Nick Jacobsen achieved the world record for the highest kite jump measured by

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kiteboarding&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to a a on Sat Jul 23 15:00:49 2022
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 23:57:37 UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 23:33:09 UTC+2, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    lørdag den 23. juli 2022 kl. 23.01.46 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships, >> airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible
    There's an impedance-match problem too, mismatch of ship velocity vs wind velocity. Windmills have variable-pitch blades.
    it is also (mostly?) a safety feature so they can feather the blades in high winds
    we can start from kiteboarding, kitesurfing
    \to make basic calculations
    than build kite powered small ship

    Kiteboarding - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiteboarding

    Kiteboarding or kitesurfing is a sport that involves using wind power with a large power kite to pull a rider across a water, land, or snow surface. It combines aspects of paragliding, surfing, windsurfing, skateboarding, snowboarding, and wakeboarding.
    Kiteboarding is among the less

    History

    Late 20th century
    In October 1977 Gijsbertus Adrianus Panhuise (Netherlands) received the first patent for KiteSurfing. The patent covers, specifically, a water sport using a floating board of a surf board type


    Environments

    Kitesurfing on water includes freestyle and big air using a kiteboard similar to a wakeboard, kiting in waves using small surfboards with or without footstraps or bindings, foiling, and


    Governance

    International kiteboarding has several promoting organizations and has undergone many changes in the governance of the sport, including long-lasting disputes between several of those entities, trying to negate each other the right to promote such


    Techniques

    Kiteboarding can pose hazards to surfers, beachgoers, bystanders and others on the water. Many problems and dangers that may be encountered while learning kiting can be avoided or minimized by taking professional instruction through lesson centers.
    Kitesurfing


    Kitesurfing Records

    Jump records (height, length, time)
    Nick Jacobsen achieved the world record for the highest kite jump measured by

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kiteboarding&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageHoverTitle
    followed by kite powered boats

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kite%20boat&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=kite%20boat&sc=5-9

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Sat Jul 23 22:05:25 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:07:45 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

    One bunch of lunatics tried generating power with actual kites spooled
    out by winches that turned generators.

    It gets the wind-catching gizmo up to an altitude where winds are more reliable than near ground level. If you could tap the more-or-less permanent cyclone
    around the South Pole, that'd be really something.

    Because it's a circular wind, any energy you miss on pass 1, is still there on the next
    cycle...

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  • From Mike Monett@21:1/5 to whit3rd@gmail.com on Sun Jul 24 09:11:25 2022
    whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:07:45 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

    One bunch of lunatics tried generating power with actual kites spooled
    out by winches that turned generators.

    It gets the wind-catching gizmo up to an altitude where winds are more reliable than near ground level. If you could tap the more-or-less permanent cyclone around the South Pole, that'd be really something.

    https://www.gocomics.com/bc/2022/07/24

    --
    MRM

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 25 12:10:13 2022
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 14:57:34 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 23:33:09 UTC+2, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    lrdag den 23. juli 2022 kl. 23.01.46 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics? >> > >> >>>
    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships,
    airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible
    There's an impedance-match problem too, mismatch of ship velocity vs
    wind velocity. Windmills have variable-pitch blades.
    it is also (mostly?) a safety feature so they can feather the blades in high winds
    we can start from kiteboarding, kitesurfing
    \to make basic calculations
    than build kite powered small ship

    Kiteboarding - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiteboarding

    Kiteboarding or kitesurfing is a sport that involves using wind power with a large power kite to pull a rider across a water, land, or snow surface. It combines aspects of paragliding, surfing, windsurfing, skateboarding, snowboarding, and wakeboarding.
    Kiteboarding is among the less

    History

    Late 20th century
    In October 1977 Gijsbertus Adrianus Panhuise (Netherlands) received the first patent for KiteSurfing. The patent covers, specifically, a water sport using a floating board of a surf board type


    Environments

    Kitesurfing on water includes freestyle and big air using a kiteboard similar to a wakeboard, kiting in waves using small surfboards with or without footstraps or bindings, foiling, and

    A kite surfer is pulled by the kite. A diesel power ship is only
    assisted. If the ship is powered at 15 knots, and the wind is 15 knots
    from, sheer luck, dead astern, the kite falls into the water.

    Windmills are stationary, so any wind is relative wind.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Mon Jul 25 12:59:52 2022
    On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 21:10:23 UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 14:57:34 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 23:33:09 UTC+2, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
    lørdag den 23. juli 2022 kl. 23.01.46 UTC+2 skrev jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 19:43:43 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 12:06:03 -0400, Phil Hobbs
    <pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Claim is 20% reduction of CO2 emissions- and of course that depends- on a lot of things. Japanese are installing them on their K Line.

    https://www.airseas.com/seawing

    They'll need this and more. The U.S. has the Clean Shipping Act of 2022 in the works. Some interesting statistics about it here.

    https://www.offshore-energy.biz/us-congress-to-discuss-first-stand-alone-legislation-to-zero-out-shipping-pollution/
    The video looks fake to me. And why is the sail doing aerobatics?

    The full answer is : It's complicated.

    Might have something to do with this:
    https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/2.641

    I'm not going to spend any time on it. It's simpler to defer to the expertise of the people making the system work.

    Popular lifestyle:

    1: Invent something really loopy

    2: Fake a bunch if pics and vids and a glitzy web site

    3: Raise a lot of money

    4: Enjoy life for a couple of years

    5: goto 1

    Totally. Sailing ships? Who ever thought of anything as stupid as that? ;)

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs
    Some ideas just keep coming back, like adding sails to diesel ships, >> > >> airships, home windmills, flying cars, jet packs.
    just calculate wind energy caught by a kite
    to learn what is and what is not feasible
    There's an impedance-match problem too, mismatch of ship velocity vs
    wind velocity. Windmills have variable-pitch blades.
    it is also (mostly?) a safety feature so they can feather the blades in high winds
    we can start from kiteboarding, kitesurfing
    \to make basic calculations
    than build kite powered small ship

    Kiteboarding - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiteboarding

    Kiteboarding or kitesurfing is a sport that involves using wind power with a large power kite to pull a rider across a water, land, or snow surface. It combines aspects of paragliding, surfing, windsurfing, skateboarding, snowboarding, and
    wakeboarding. Kiteboarding is among the less

    History

    Late 20th century
    In October 1977 Gijsbertus Adrianus Panhuise (Netherlands) received the first patent for KiteSurfing. The patent covers, specifically, a water sport using a floating board of a surf board type


    Environments

    Kitesurfing on water includes freestyle and big air using a kiteboard similar to a wakeboard, kiting in waves using small surfboards with or without footstraps or bindings, foiling, and
    A kite surfer is pulled by the kite. A diesel power ship is only
    assisted. If the ship is powered at 15 knots, and the wind is 15 knots
    from, sheer luck, dead astern, the kite falls into the water.

    Windmills are stationary, so any wind is relative wind.
    exactly,
    so kites for diesel ships are designed as rigid structures,
    and nothing falls into the water if no wind at all

    Nevertheless, kite for diesel ship is an old fake

    I recall experiments with vertical fixed sails, installed on top of diesel ships.

    But not aware of any success story

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