• Sordid Riffraff In Politics And Industry Lost Their Spokesman

    From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 20 09:53:49 2022
    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Jul 20 10:29:08 2022
    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.


    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.
    Then give up and design some electronics for the rest of your short
    life.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Wed Jul 20 10:25:03 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?


    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    Then give up and design some electronics for the rest of your short
    life.

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  • From John Larkin@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Wed Jul 20 13:24:58 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.

    Where is the 6000 years of temperature data?

    And why not make light of your impending DOOM?

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Wed Jul 20 13:46:38 2022
    On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 18:53:52 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.
    read about Short-Term Climate Changes
    year-2-year
    due to fluctuations in solar activity (NASA)

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    Add Reply
    a a
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    Reply
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    -CO2 is welcome
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    -More CO2 more Human Food
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    https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com/eMVDUFoy/we-all-love-carbon-we-all-love-co2



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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Wed Jul 20 19:42:54 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    Heathrow tends to set records. Airports do that.

    The hottest month on record, in the US and UK, was in 1936.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-u-s-is-sweltering-the-heat-wave-of-1936-was-far-deadlier/ar-AAZLSEb

    https://twitter.com/NWSNorman/status/1549367012819980288

    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/North-Americas-Most-Intense-Heat-Wave-July-and-August-1936



    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    When was weather ever predictable?

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Wed Jul 20 20:20:12 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:25:13 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors 6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute?

    Obviously not.

    Where's the data?

    In the Greenland and Antarctic ice core data, as well as in a bunch of other places.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    Then give up and design some electronics for the rest of your short life.

    People as incorrigibly ignorant as John Larkin might chose to do that, though they tend to have a rather generous idea of what might constitute electronic design. Improvement by tiny incremental changes looks rather more like evolving new circuits, but
    some people flatter themselves with the idea that this is a mode of design.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Jul 21 05:07:37 2022
    On a sunny day (Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:42:54 -0700) it happened jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in <prehdhdp11kg6isemdm8tkvmjh69908uqa@4ax.com>:

    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    Heathrow tends to set records. Airports do that.

    The hottest month on record, in the US and UK, was in 1936.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-u-s-is-sweltering-the-heat-wave-of-1936-was-far-deadlier/ar-AAZLSEb

    https://twitter.com/NWSNorman/status/1549367012819980288

    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/North-Americas-Most-Intense-Heat-Wave-July-and-August-1936



    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get
    you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely
    chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    When was weather ever predictable?


    Well, as long as I still have internet access (they did maintenance on the 4G tower and now I have 10% of signal or zero
    sometimes)..
    Long ago arctic had trees growing.
    Glowball Worming is caused by changes in earth orbit.
    If this heat wave is not just a weather spike then mass migration will happen like now the affrica [and S America) population is already moving to our 'culture',
    a culture that could only exists because of the climate we live in..
    So in the same way we will have to move north, Europeans will have to move north to Russia.... to survive the climate.
    Merricans may need to conquer / flee to / ask for climate asylum in / Canada.. Much of the glow-ball will become inhabitable.
    We will not reach mars in time because Musk went bankrupt fighting twitter

    My chocolate bars were melting, wanted to break of a piece, but it about just folded...
    So this is all is VERY serious!!!
    Been looking for a portable airco, but needs a hole in the wall..
    Any ideas?
    I still have a box full of small Peltiers from ebay, glue against window?
    Not enough I'd think,
    Oh and my Sterling cryo cooler, now there is an issue with exhaust air too. Sail to the north? Were the polar bears live?

    Summer sleep? Like polar bears do a winter sleep?
    zzzzzz
    Not a chance here with so much happening woke up at 5...

    ..I am not a bot beep

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to John Larkin on Thu Jul 21 00:52:06 2022
    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:08 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.
    Where is the 6000 years of temperature data?

    For a start, in ocean-bottom layers of ooze.
    There's nothing about climate that requires an 'every minute' human recordkeeping operation. Temperature is a well defined variable
    without regard to resistive temperature sensors.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 21 04:02:04 2022
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 00:52:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:08 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.
    Where is the 6000 years of temperature data?

    For a start, in ocean-bottom layers of ooze.
    There's nothing about climate that requires an 'every minute' human >recordkeeping operation. Temperature is a well defined variable
    without regard to resistive temperature sensors.

    If you are going to take a couple of hours of temperature measurement
    at the side of a runway at Heathrow, and claim it's the hottest temp
    in 6000 years, you need hourly temp measurements for that area for the
    last 6000 years. You don't get that from Greenland ice cores or
    ocean-bottom ooze.

    I'm surprised I have to explain something this simple.

    Heck, 1936 was hotter.

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Jul 21 04:07:57 2022
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    You have a remarkable case of catastrophe syndrome, always searching
    for reasons to be terrified.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing


    I search for reasons to be amused.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to Jan Panteltje on Thu Jul 21 06:48:33 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 1:17:54 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:42:54 -0700) it happened jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
    <prehdhdp11kg6isem...@4ax.com>:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs ><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    Heathrow tends to set records. Airports do that.

    The hottest month on record, in the US and UK, was in 1936.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-u-s-is-sweltering-the-heat-wave-of-1936-was-far-deadlier/ar-AAZLSEb

    https://twitter.com/NWSNorman/status/1549367012819980288

    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/North-Americas-Most-Intense-Heat-Wave-July-and-August-1936



    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get
    you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely
    chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    When was weather ever predictable?

    Well, as long as I still have internet access (they did maintenance on the 4G tower and now I have 10% of signal or zero
    sometimes)..
    Long ago arctic had trees growing.
    Glowball Worming is caused by changes in earth orbit.
    If this heat wave is not just a weather spike then mass migration will happen
    like now the affrica [and S America) population is already moving to our 'culture',
    a culture that could only exists because of the climate we live in..
    So in the same way we will have to move north, Europeans will have to move north to Russia.... to survive the climate.
    Merricans may need to conquer / flee to / ask for climate asylum in / Canada..
    Much of the glow-ball will become inhabitable.
    We will not reach mars in time because Musk went bankrupt fighting twitter

    My chocolate bars were melting, wanted to break of a piece, but it about just folded...
    So this is all is VERY serious!!!
    Been looking for a portable airco, but needs a hole in the wall..
    Any ideas?
    I still have a box full of small Peltiers from ebay, glue against window? Not enough I'd think,
    Oh and my Sterling cryo cooler, now there is an issue with exhaust air too. Sail to the north? Were the polar bears live?

    Summer sleep? Like polar bears do a winter sleep?
    zzzzzz
    Not a chance here with so much happening woke up at 5...

    ..I am not a bot beep

    Get one of these. The only through-wall hole that has to be made is for the line set pipes- small hole. You can buy pre-fabricated pad for outdoor unit, for which you will also have to supply electrical with disconnect. Then you need to hang the indoor
    unit. That should do it. It's easier than making an opening and framing out a usually underpowered window type a/c which usually have crappy SEER and performance.
    https://mrcool.com/diy-3rd-generation-e-star/

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Jul 21 06:50:02 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:02:15 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 00:52:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:08 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.
    Where is the 6000 years of temperature data?

    For a start, in ocean-bottom layers of ooze.
    There's nothing about climate that requires an 'every minute' human >recordkeeping operation. Temperature is a well defined variable
    without regard to resistive temperature sensors.

    If you are going to take a couple of hours of temperature measurement
    at the side of a runway at Heathrow, and claim it's the hottest temp
    in 6000 years, you need hourly temp measurements for that area for the
    last 6000 years.

    You are only going to make that claim if you are publishing a newspaper, and want to impress people who think that Bishop Ussher was right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher

    You don't get that from Greenland ice cores or ocean-bottom ooze.

    Bishop Ussher fans don't take Greenland ice cores all that seriously.

    I'm surprised I have to explain something this simple.

    You are frequently surprised, and your attempts at explanation do make it clear why this happens so often.

    Heck, 1936 was hotter.

    But not at Heathrow. Inland bits of the US did get warmer back in 1936, but UK newspapers aren't going to care about that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Jul 21 06:51:31 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:08:10 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: >https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.
    You have a remarkable case of catastrophe syndrome, always searching
    for reasons to be terrified.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing


    I search for reasons to be amused.

    We're all going to suffer horrible deaths from a combination of hyperthermia, dehydration, starvation, acute respiratory syndrome, various poxes and other maladies.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to bill....@ieee.org on Thu Jul 21 07:10:06 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:50:05 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:02:15 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 00:52:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:08 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors
    6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's >> >> the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.
    Where is the 6000 years of temperature data?

    For a start, in ocean-bottom layers of ooze.
    There's nothing about climate that requires an 'every minute' human >recordkeeping operation. Temperature is a well defined variable
    without regard to resistive temperature sensors.

    If you are going to take a couple of hours of temperature measurement
    at the side of a runway at Heathrow, and claim it's the hottest temp
    in 6000 years, you need hourly temp measurements for that area for the
    last 6000 years.
    You are only going to make that claim if you are publishing a newspaper, and want to impress people who think that Bishop Ussher was right.

    Bishop Usher probably was right, you might note that his statement about the beginning of time was conditioned on the Biblical scholarship...you just don't have any respect for your elders.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher
    You don't get that from Greenland ice cores or ocean-bottom ooze.
    Bishop Ussher fans don't take Greenland ice cores all that seriously.
    I'm surprised I have to explain something this simple.
    You are frequently surprised, and your attempts at explanation do make it clear why this happens so often.

    Heck, 1936 was hotter.

    But not at Heathrow. Inland bits of the US did get warmer back in 1936, but UK newspapers aren't going to care about that.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Thu Jul 21 07:28:45 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:10:09 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:50:05 AM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 9:02:15 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 00:52:06 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:08 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:29:08 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 1:25:13 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.
    Was there a network of realtime calibrated RTD temperature sensors >> >> 6000 years ago, taking measurements everywhere every minute? Where's
    the data?

    Of course you would ask a silly question to make light of doom.
    Where is the 6000 years of temperature data?

    For a start, in ocean-bottom layers of ooze.
    There's nothing about climate that requires an 'every minute' human >recordkeeping operation. Temperature is a well defined variable
    without regard to resistive temperature sensors.

    If you are going to take a couple of hours of temperature measurement
    at the side of a runway at Heathrow, and claim it's the hottest temp
    in 6000 years, you need hourly temp measurements for that area for the last 6000 years.
    You are only going to make that claim if you are publishing a newspaper, and want to impress people who think that Bishop Ussher was right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher

    Bishop Ussher probably was right, you might note that his statement about the beginning of time was conditioned on the Biblical scholarship...you just don't have any respect for your elders.

    I respect elderly geologists, rather than elderly theologians. Rocks last longer than biblical texts.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Jul 21 07:37:06 2022
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:08:10 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.
    You have a remarkable case of catastrophe syndrome, always searching
    for reasons to be terrified.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing


    I search for reasons to be amused.

    We're all going to suffer horrible deaths from a combination of hyperthermia, dehydration, starvation, acute respiratory syndrome, various poxes and other maladies.

    Oh, you are. I'm not. Despair.

    What's the temp now at your house? It's 52F here right now. We're
    rooting for global warming. More CO2 will make the garden grow too.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Jul 21 10:54:34 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:08:10 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    You have a remarkable case of catastrophe syndrome, always searching
    for reasons to be terrified.

    Not remarkable at all, that's the case for any system with hysteresis. Some points
    of operation are extremely sensitive, and small inputs cause abrupt changes. All that
    requires, is some positive feedback (which isn't at all surprising in a complex evolving situation, and which is predictable in a variety of systems).

    It'd be unnatural for catastrophes not to happen, as mostly everyone is aware. That's why you don't want to dance on the edge of a cliff.

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  • From whit3rd@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Jul 21 11:13:26 2022
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:37:17 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    What's the temp now at your house? It's 52F here right now. We're
    rooting for global warming.

    Why? That's an odd enthusiasm. What's so wrong with last century's climate?

    More CO2 will make the garden grow too.

    Do you predict that communities near sea level have faster child growth than those at high altitude? More oxygen, you know.

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 21 20:32:52 2022
    Am 21.07.22 um 20:13 schrieb whit3rd:
    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:37:17 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

    What's the temp now at your house? It's 52F here right now. We're
    rooting for global warming.

    Why? That's an odd enthusiasm. What's so wrong with last century's climate?

    More CO2 will make the garden grow too.

    Do you predict that communities near sea level have faster child growth than those at high altitude? More oxygen, you know.

    No, the other way around. Einstein, you know.

    Gerhard

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  • From Jan Panteltje@21:1/5 to bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com on Thu Jul 21 18:29:46 2022
    On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Jul 2022 06:48:33 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in <47748830-298f-4bd0-8ac0-c8d502e4d5a5n@googlegroups.com>:

    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 1:17:54 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    On a sunny day (Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:42:54 -0700) it happened
    jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
    <prehdhdp11kg6isem...@4ax.com>:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/


    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything
    really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in >6,000 years.

    Heathrow tends to set records. Airports do that.

    The hottest month on record, in the US and UK, was in 1936.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-u-s-is-sweltering-the-heat-wave-of-1936-was-far-deadlier/ar-AAZLSEb


    https://twitter.com/NWSNorman/status/1549367012819980288

    https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/North-Americas-Most-Intense-Heat-Wave-July-and-August-1936




    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor
    of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get
    you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting >effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're >just about there, is a precursor to a completely
    chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and >climate warming mitigation is hopeless.

    When was weather ever predictable?

    Well, as long as I still have internet access (they did maintenance on the >4G tower and now I have 10% of signal or zero
    sometimes)..
    Long ago arctic had trees growing.
    Glowball Worming is caused by changes in earth orbit.
    If this heat wave is not just a weather spike then mass migration will happen

    like now the affrica [and S America) population is already moving to our 'culture',

    a culture that could only exists because of the climate we live in..
    So in the same way we will have to move north, Europeans will have to move >north to Russia.... to survive the climate.
    Merricans may need to conquer / flee to / ask for climate asylum in / Canada..

    Much of the glow-ball will become inhabitable.
    We will not reach mars in time because Musk went bankrupt fighting twitter >>

    My chocolate bars were melting, wanted to break of a piece, but it about just >folded...
    So this is all is VERY serious!!!
    Been looking for a portable airco, but needs a hole in the wall..
    Any ideas?
    I still have a box full of small Peltiers from ebay, glue against window?

    Not enough I'd think,
    Oh and my Sterling cryo cooler, now there is an issue with exhaust air too. >>
    Sail to the north? Were the polar bears live?

    Summer sleep? Like polar bears do a winter sleep?
    zzzzzz
    Not a chance here with so much happening woke up at 5...

    ..I am not a bot beep

    Get one of these. The only through-wall hole that has to be made is for the >line set pipes- small hole. You can buy pre-fabricated pad for outdoor unit, >for which you will also have to supply electrical with disconnect. Then you >need to hang the indoor unit. That should do it. It's easier than making
    an opening and framing out a usually underpowered window type a/c which usually
    have crappy SEER and performance. >https://mrcool.com/diy-3rd-generation-e-star/

    I was looking at this, good reviews:
    https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/bluebot-cool-airco-airconditioning-9000-btu-mobiele-airco-3-in-1-timer-ruimtes-80-m3-energiezuinig/9300000045246680/
    Euro is on par with USD these days

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  • From Anthony William Sloman@21:1/5 to jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com on Thu Jul 21 18:52:14 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:37:17 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:08:10 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:53:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
    <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.eenews.net/articles/patrick-michaels-influential-climate-denier-dies-at-72/

    The only thing he was right about was that he would be dead before anything really bad materialized.

    It is estimated UK has not seen temperatures they're experiencing now in 6,000 years.

    People have been told repeatedly that averages are not a real good predictor of the kinds of outlier weather extremes that get you there. Some of them will be quite destructive with very long lasting effects.

    Latest research has shown that the loss of the four seasons, which we're just about there, is a precursor to a completely chaotic climate, wherein weather can only be predicted as it happens and climate warming mitigation is hopeless.
    You have a remarkable case of catastrophe syndrome, always searching
    for reasons to be terrified.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing

    I search for reasons to be amused.

    We're all going to suffer horrible deaths from a combination of hyperthermia, dehydration, starvation, acute respiratory syndrome, various poxes and other maladies.

    Oh, you are.

    John Larkin isn't a great candidate for prophet status. He believes what climate change denial propaganda tells him

    I'm not.

    And does go in for wishful thinking.

    Despair.

    That has to be the imperative form, and should have been written "Depair!" but John Larkin's grammar is as relaible as his prophecies.

    What's the temp now at your house? It's 52F here right now. We're rooting for global warming. More CO2 will make the garden grow too.

    Global warming is measured in degrees per century. "Right now" doesn't actually signify. More CO2 might make the garden grow, if the plants got enough water, nitrates phosphates and other essential nutrients. Somebody who thinks that extra CO2 on its own
    is enough to guarantee more growth probably isn't going to deliver them.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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