• Re: OT: Can you make sense of this

    From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to amdx on Sun Jul 17 11:45:40 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.

    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jul 17 12:10:37 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20 drops per second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline with free electricity.

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  • From amdx@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 17 13:28:42 2022
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

     It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.


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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to Ed Lee on Sun Jul 17 13:28:26 2022
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash >>>
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20 drops per second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline with free electricity.

    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    I.e., in our case, our average rate of travel (measured by the car)
    is ~19MPH (we only drive "in town" and, despite 45MPH speed limits,
    there are enough stop lights to keep the average speed that low; I
    wonder what it must be like in a REAL city!).

    And, given the stop-n-go nature of our driving -- plus the fact that
    the ACbrrr has to run even when you're making no forward progress -- our
    "in town" mileage is only around 22MPG (that doubles as soon as we get
    on the highway).

    So, spend an hour charging the vehicle in order to drive it for an hour?
    Seems *insanely* inefficient! We spend ~5 minutes (10 if there's a queue)
    to get ~350 "in town" miles loaded into the tank.

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  • From Ed Lee@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jul 17 13:38:25 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 1:28:43 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash >>>
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20 drops per second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline with free electricity.
    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    It depends. With fast charging and the battery is empty, it might take around 15 to 20 minutes.

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to amdx on Sun Jul 17 18:25:44 2022
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

     North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


     It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a subsidy.



    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0,
    it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used
    for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our
    tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized
    by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is
    absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to
    show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot."

    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with
    how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from
    making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e.
    having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state
    or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old
    and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom
    for you!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jul 17 15:31:17 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:28:43 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash >>>
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20 drops per second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline with free electricity.
    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    I.e., in our case, our average rate of travel (measured by the car)
    is ~19MPH (we only drive "in town" and, despite 45MPH speed limits,
    there are enough stop lights to keep the average speed that low; I
    wonder what it must be like in a REAL city!).

    And, given the stop-n-go nature of our driving -- plus the fact that
    the ACbrrr has to run even when you're making no forward progress -- our
    "in town" mileage is only around 22MPG (that doubles as soon as we get
    on the highway).

    So, spend an hour charging the vehicle in order to drive it for an hour? Seems *insanely* inefficient! We spend ~5 minutes (10 if there's a queue)
    to get ~350 "in town" miles loaded into the tank.

    I always find it amusing to watch one idiot complain about something said by another idiot.

    Just so you are aware. Normal people charge BEVs at home, every night. So we don't use "chargers" unless we are on a trip. Even then, we don't spend hours charging to go a hundred miles. The Tesla Superchargers can charge later model cars at 1000 mph.
    Yup, mine won't charge faster than around 500 mph because it is older and because it is the electrical equivalent of a gas hog only getting 3 miles to a kWh (or $0.033 per mile rather than $0.025).

    Ed Lee lives in his own little world where he bought a ragged out Leaf which had a small battery to begin with. Now the battery is not much more powerful than a couple of D cells. So he has to get towed between chargers when taking a trip. Not the
    sort of person you consult for advice on BEVs.

    I had to charge on the way home the other day, but that worked well for me as it gave me time to have a shrimp sandwich and a pint after a long day of work.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Jul 17 15:35:43 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a subsidy.


    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0,
    it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used
    for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our
    tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized
    by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to
    show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot."

    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with
    how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from
    making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e. having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state
    or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old
    and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom
    for you!!

    Depending on where you are, there are lots of level 2 chargers that don't bother with the cost of the electricity. Hotels in particular have them. I've never seen one that was in any way protected from just anyone using it. Heck, in one location it
    had a sign with an 800 number if you couldn't get your XYZ card to work (I had one) and they just turned it on for free. Public transportation also offers them.

    The idea of requiring free gasoline along with free charging is interesting. Normally laws are passed to solve a problem. I'm wondering what problem free charging is causing? Maybe it's because Tesla didn't move their headquarters to North Carolina???

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Don Y on Sun Jul 17 18:45:54 2022
    On 7/17/2022 4:28 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the
    Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one
    drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20
    drops per second.  We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline
    with free electricity.

    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    I.e., in our case, our average rate of travel (measured by the car)
    is ~19MPH (we only drive "in town" and, despite 45MPH speed limits,
    there are enough stop lights to keep the average speed that low; I
    wonder what it must be like in a REAL city!).

    And, given the stop-n-go nature of our driving -- plus the fact that
    the ACbrrr has to run even when you're making no forward progress -- our
    "in town" mileage is only around 22MPG (that doubles as soon as we get
    on the highway).

    So, spend an hour charging the vehicle in order to drive it for an hour? Seems *insanely* inefficient!  We spend ~5 minutes (10 if there's a queue) to get ~350 "in town" miles loaded into the tank.


    Most of the energy in the fuel goes to heat the Universe, I'm definitely
    not paying for gas car driver's free fuel to heat the Universe, any more
    than my Mom wanted to pay for me leaving the sliding door to the den
    open in the winter when I was a kid..

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Jul 17 15:52:32 2022
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 00:46:01 UTC+2, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 4:28 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the
    Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one
    drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20
    drops per second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline
    with free electricity.

    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    I.e., in our case, our average rate of travel (measured by the car)
    is ~19MPH (we only drive "in town" and, despite 45MPH speed limits,
    there are enough stop lights to keep the average speed that low; I
    wonder what it must be like in a REAL city!).

    And, given the stop-n-go nature of our driving -- plus the fact that
    the ACbrrr has to run even when you're making no forward progress -- our "in town" mileage is only around 22MPG (that doubles as soon as we get
    on the highway).

    So, spend an hour charging the vehicle in order to drive it for an hour? Seems *insanely* inefficient! We spend ~5 minutes (10 if there's a queue) to get ~350 "in town" miles loaded into the tank.

    Most of the energy in the fuel goes to heat the Universe, I'm definitely
    not paying for gas car driver's free fuel to heat the Universe, any more
    than my Mom wanted to pay for me leaving the sliding door to the den
    open in the winter when I was a kid..
    ---Most of the energy in the fuel goes to heat the Universe,

    don't be silly, learn more about the energy emitted b y the Sun

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jul 17 15:51:01 2022
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 00:31:21 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 4:28:43 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a >>> subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20 drops per second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline with free electricity.
    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    I.e., in our case, our average rate of travel (measured by the car)
    is ~19MPH (we only drive "in town" and, despite 45MPH speed limits,
    there are enough stop lights to keep the average speed that low; I
    wonder what it must be like in a REAL city!).

    And, given the stop-n-go nature of our driving -- plus the fact that
    the ACbrrr has to run even when you're making no forward progress -- our "in town" mileage is only around 22MPG (that doubles as soon as we get
    on the highway).

    So, spend an hour charging the vehicle in order to drive it for an hour? Seems *insanely* inefficient! We spend ~5 minutes (10 if there's a queue) to get ~350 "in town" miles loaded into the tank.
    I always find it amusing to watch one idiot complain about something said by another idiot.

    Just so you are aware. Normal people charge BEVs at home, every night. So we don't use "chargers" unless we are on a trip. Even then, we don't spend hours charging to go a hundred miles. The Tesla Superchargers can charge later model cars at 1000 mph.
    Yup, mine won't charge faster than around 500 mph because it is older and because it is the electrical equivalent of a gas hog only getting 3 miles to a kWh (or $0.033 per mile rather than $0.025).

    Ed Lee lives in his own little world where he bought a ragged out Leaf which had a small battery to begin with. Now the battery is not much more powerful than a couple of D cells. So he has to get towed between chargers when taking a trip. Not the sort
    of person you consult for advice on BEVs.

    I had to charge on the way home the other day, but that worked well for me as it gave me time to have a shrimp sandwich and a pint after a long day of work.

    --
    stop your bullshit
    no EV chargers on the go, so ppl give up EV fake

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jul 17 18:58:16 2022
    On 7/17/2022 6:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash >>>
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.


    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In
    Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0,
    it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used
    for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our
    tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized
    by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is
    absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to
    show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot."

    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans
    understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with
    how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from
    making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e.
    having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state
    or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old
    and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom
    for you!!

    Depending on where you are, there are lots of level 2 chargers that don't bother with the cost of the electricity. Hotels in particular have them. I've never seen one that was in any way protected from just anyone using it. Heck, in one location it
    had a sign with an 800 number if you couldn't get your XYZ card to work (I had one) and they just turned it on for free. Public transportation also offers them.

    I know some hotels in Boston and Providence have free chargers for
    patrons but the great majority of them are locked down in parking
    garages with hourly or daily rates, I tend to consider these "pay
    chargers" however you pay for them. Same thing with train stations.

    Whether any hotels out in the 'burbs have free Level 2 chargers you can
    just swoop into an open lot and use I admit I haven't deeply
    investigated, I rarely stay in hotels near my home, lol.

    The charger at my doctor's office and all the chargers at Audubon
    sanctuaries in MA all something like 25 cent a kWh or so.


    The idea of requiring free gasoline along with free charging is interesting. Normally laws are passed to solve a problem. I'm wondering what problem free charging is causing? Maybe it's because Tesla didn't move their headquarters to North Carolina??
    ?


    Laws made by your local Republicans are generally designed to "solve"
    made-up problems that Fox News et al have propagandized all the
    credulous stupos into believing; like that leftists have secretly made
    it so there are thousands of totally free public chargers across the
    state giving out millions of YOUR TAX DOLLARS in electricity every day
    to the wealthy EV-drivng "parasites at the top", while meanwhile the
    dirty poors and blacks "parasites at the bottom" rob them from below
    with SSI and Section 8.

    It doesn't generally tend to occur to the Fox News fanclub that if there
    were actually so much free shit on offer anywhere America would likely
    be a much different place than it is.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to amdx on Sun Jul 17 15:59:10 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:28:50 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.

    If they want to be equitable, does that mean all gas stations will be required to sell diesel as well as electricity?

    Will they apply the same principle to free samples in the stores? If you give this product away for free, you have to give away samples of every product?

    Sometimes, it does boggle the mind.

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Jul 17 16:04:17 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:58:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 6:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash >>>
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.


    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In
    Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0,
    it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used >> for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our
    tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized >> by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is
    absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to
    show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot."

    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans
    understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with >> how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from
    making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e. >> having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state
    or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old >> and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom >> for you!!

    Depending on where you are, there are lots of level 2 chargers that don't bother with the cost of the electricity. Hotels in particular have them. I've never seen one that was in any way protected from just anyone using it. Heck, in one location it
    had a sign with an 800 number if you couldn't get your XYZ card to work (I had one) and they just turned it on for free. Public transportation also offers them.
    I know some hotels in Boston and Providence have free chargers for
    patrons but the great majority of them are locked down in parking
    garages with hourly or daily rates, I tend to consider these "pay
    chargers" however you pay for them. Same thing with train stations.

    I think that is just the city environment where you pay for the air and water.


    Whether any hotels out in the 'burbs have free Level 2 chargers you can
    just swoop into an open lot and use I admit I haven't deeply
    investigated, I rarely stay in hotels near my home, lol.

    Absolutely true. It's kinda like what they said about nuclear plants, "too cheap to meter". It's not worth the hassle of dealing with something that would bring in so little revenue.


    The charger at my doctor's office and all the chargers at Audubon sanctuaries in MA all something like 25 cent a kWh or so.

    How do you pay for them? That's the problem.


    The idea of requiring free gasoline along with free charging is interesting. Normally laws are passed to solve a problem. I'm wondering what problem free charging is causing? Maybe it's because Tesla didn't move their headquarters to North Carolina???


    Laws made by your local Republicans are generally designed to "solve" made-up problems that Fox News et al have propagandized all the
    credulous stupos into believing; like that leftists have secretly made
    it so there are thousands of totally free public chargers across the
    state giving out millions of YOUR TAX DOLLARS in electricity every day
    to the wealthy EV-drivng "parasites at the top", while meanwhile the
    dirty poors and blacks "parasites at the bottom" rob them from below
    with SSI and Section 8.

    That's no lie. I love all the free charging at the government's expense. They actually take my charging costs off my electric bill. Isn't that swell?


    It doesn't generally tend to occur to the Fox News fanclub that if there were actually so much free shit on offer anywhere America would likely
    be a much different place than it is.

    "Fox"... heh, heh, heh. He said "Fox"... heh, heh, heh...

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jul 17 19:13:51 2022
    On 7/17/2022 6:59 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:28:50 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.

    If they want to be equitable, does that mean all gas stations will be required to sell diesel as well as electricity?

    Will they apply the same principle to free samples in the stores? If you give this product away for free, you have to give away samples of every product?

    Sometimes, it does boggle the mind.

    I think basically what will happen at worst is that DPWs won't make
    their chargers open to the public anymore, and maybe some businesses
    that have Level 2 destination chargers that weren't making any money on
    them to begin with will shut them down.

    Oh well. There's a bunch of overpriced Level 2 chargers around me in
    random places that nobody ever uses, it's already yesterday's tech I
    don't care a bit if they're removed either, I've always thought the
    whole chargers on every street corner thing was a fucking gimmick anyway.

    In the future most people will charge their cars at home most of the
    time and hit up charge stations like Tesla has for long trips. I expect
    the overall effect on EV adoption in NC if it passes will be close to zero

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jul 17 16:15:04 2022
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 01:04:20 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:58:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 6:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a >>> subsidy.


    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In >> Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0, >> it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used >> for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our >> tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized
    by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is >> absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to >> show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot."

    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans >> understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with
    how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from
    making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e. >> having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state >> or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old >> and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom >> for you!!

    Depending on where you are, there are lots of level 2 chargers that don't bother with the cost of the electricity. Hotels in particular have them. I've never seen one that was in any way protected from just anyone using it. Heck, in one location it
    had a sign with an 800 number if you couldn't get your XYZ card to work (I had one) and they just turned it on for free. Public transportation also offers them.
    I know some hotels in Boston and Providence have free chargers for
    patrons but the great majority of them are locked down in parking
    garages with hourly or daily rates, I tend to consider these "pay chargers" however you pay for them. Same thing with train stations.
    I think that is just the city environment where you pay for the air and water.
    Whether any hotels out in the 'burbs have free Level 2 chargers you can just swoop into an open lot and use I admit I haven't deeply
    investigated, I rarely stay in hotels near my home, lol.
    Absolutely true. It's kinda like what they said about nuclear plants, "too cheap to meter". It's not worth the hassle of dealing with something that would bring in so little revenue.
    The charger at my doctor's office and all the chargers at Audubon sanctuaries in MA all something like 25 cent a kWh or so.
    How do you pay for them? That's the problem.
    The idea of requiring free gasoline along with free charging is interesting. Normally laws are passed to solve a problem. I'm wondering what problem free charging is causing? Maybe it's because Tesla didn't move their headquarters to North Carolina?
    ??

    Laws made by your local Republicans are generally designed to "solve" made-up problems that Fox News et al have propagandized all the
    credulous stupos into believing; like that leftists have secretly made
    it so there are thousands of totally free public chargers across the
    state giving out millions of YOUR TAX DOLLARS in electricity every day
    to the wealthy EV-drivng "parasites at the top", while meanwhile the
    dirty poors and blacks "parasites at the bottom" rob them from below
    with SSI and Section 8.
    That's no lie. I love all the free charging at the government's expense. They actually take my charging costs off my electric bill. Isn't that swell?
    It doesn't generally tend to occur to the Fox News fanclub that if there were actually so much free shit on offer anywhere America would likely
    be a much different place than it is.
    "Fox"... heh, heh, heh. He said "Fox"... heh, heh, heh...

    --

    Ricky, don't be silly

    we don't buy EV Teslas, since no fast chargers on-the-go and energy costs doubled recently
    so it makes on sense to buy Tesla
    and charge it the whole day

    There is no solution to the problem of scarcity of EV-chargers since
    it's all about logistics and time spent at EV-chargers

    Your Tesla spam , makes us sick

    ----+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - htt... rd11...09

    Not interested
    Tesla is down and may collapse within 12 months due to general global crisis

    I buy Twitter.. was an old marketing fake ( I can afford to buy Twitter)
    \
    But life is Brutal and full of Zasadzkas
    But life is always for real

    so stop your day dreaming

    We don't buy Teslas, since it makes no sense to spend months at EV-chargers

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  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Ricky on Sun Jul 17 19:21:34 2022
    On 7/17/2022 7:20 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:15:07 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 01:04:20 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:58:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 6:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a >>>>>>> subsidy.


    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In >>>>>> Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0, >>>>>> it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used >>>>>> for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our >>>>>> tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized >>>>>> by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is >>>>>> absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to >>>>>> show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot." >>>>>>
    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans >>>>>> understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with >>>>>> how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from >>>>>> making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e. >>>>>> having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state >>>>>> or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old >>>>>> and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom >>>>>> for you!!

    Depending on where you are, there are lots of level 2 chargers that don't bother with the cost of the electricity. Hotels in particular have them. I've never seen one that was in any way protected from just anyone using it. Heck, in one location it
    had a sign with an 800 number if you couldn't get your XYZ card to work (I had one) and they just turned it on for free. Public transportation also offers them.
    I know some hotels in Boston and Providence have free chargers for
    patrons but the great majority of them are locked down in parking
    garages with hourly or daily rates, I tend to consider these "pay
    chargers" however you pay for them. Same thing with train stations.
    I think that is just the city environment where you pay for the air and water.
    Whether any hotels out in the 'burbs have free Level 2 chargers you can >>>> just swoop into an open lot and use I admit I haven't deeply
    investigated, I rarely stay in hotels near my home, lol.
    Absolutely true. It's kinda like what they said about nuclear plants, "too cheap to meter". It's not worth the hassle of dealing with something that would bring in so little revenue.
    The charger at my doctor's office and all the chargers at Audubon
    sanctuaries in MA all something like 25 cent a kWh or so.
    How do you pay for them? That's the problem.
    The idea of requiring free gasoline along with free charging is interesting. Normally laws are passed to solve a problem. I'm wondering what problem free charging is causing? Maybe it's because Tesla didn't move their headquarters to North Carolina?
    ??

    Laws made by your local Republicans are generally designed to "solve"
    made-up problems that Fox News et al have propagandized all the
    credulous stupos into believing; like that leftists have secretly made >>>> it so there are thousands of totally free public chargers across the
    state giving out millions of YOUR TAX DOLLARS in electricity every day >>>> to the wealthy EV-drivng "parasites at the top", while meanwhile the
    dirty poors and blacks "parasites at the bottom" rob them from below
    with SSI and Section 8.
    That's no lie. I love all the free charging at the government's expense. They actually take my charging costs off my electric bill. Isn't that swell?
    It doesn't generally tend to occur to the Fox News fanclub that if there >>>> were actually so much free shit on offer anywhere America would likely >>>> be a much different place than it is.
    "Fox"... heh, heh, heh. He said "Fox"... heh, heh, heh...

    --

    Ricky, don't be silly

    we don't buy EV Teslas, since no fast chargers on-the-go and energy costs doubled recently
    so it makes on sense to buy Tesla
    and charge it the whole day

    There is no solution to the problem of scarcity of EV-chargers since
    it's all about logistics and time spent at EV-chargers

    Your Tesla spam , makes us sick

    ----+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Not interested
    Tesla is down and may collapse within 12 months due to general global crisis >>
    I buy Twitter.. was an old marketing fake ( I can afford to buy Twitter)
    \
    But life is Brutal and full of Zasadzkas
    But life is always for real

    so stop your day dreaming

    We don't buy Teslas, since it makes no sense to spend months at EV-chargers

    I think I understand what you are saying, but it's hard to get through your broken English. What is your first language?

    But yes, I agree that BEVs are great. Thanks for the thumbs up!

    Thanks on the bump for my referral code.


    lol

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  • From Ricky@21:1/5 to a a on Sun Jul 17 16:20:19 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 7:15:07 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
    On Monday, 18 July 2022 at 01:04:20 UTC+2, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:58:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 6:35 PM, Ricky wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 2:28 PM, amdx wrote:

    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a >>> subsidy.


    There probably aren't that many no-cost EV chargers around, anyway. In
    Massachusetts there's only one I use sometimes nearby that charges $0,
    it's at a DPW facility, runs entirely off solar power, and is also used
    for charging DPW vehicles but is open to the public to use because our
    tax $$$ paid for all that shit to begin with.

    Most other chargers are on private property and the owners have realized
    by now that they can charge money for its use. Sometimes the price is >> absurd, sometimes it's nominal, but they all charge something.

    "Thus, House Bill 1049 decrees that all customer receipts will have to
    show what share of the bill went toward the charger out in the lot." >>
    "Party of small government", lol. He's optimistic that most Americans >> understand decimal numbers that small.

    Like most topics local government officials are deeply out-of-touch with
    how anything works in the real world but that doesn't stop them from >> making legislation about it.

    Anyway, can't wait for you wingnuts to get your "small government" i.e.
    having your life run under the iron fist of some double-digit IQ state
    or local petty tyrant functionary who think the Earth is 8000 years old
    and doesn't know how many ovaries a woman has. Gonna be so much freedom
    for you!!

    Depending on where you are, there are lots of level 2 chargers that don't bother with the cost of the electricity. Hotels in particular have them. I've never seen one that was in any way protected from just anyone using it. Heck, in one location
    it had a sign with an 800 number if you couldn't get your XYZ card to work (I had one) and they just turned it on for free. Public transportation also offers them.
    I know some hotels in Boston and Providence have free chargers for patrons but the great majority of them are locked down in parking garages with hourly or daily rates, I tend to consider these "pay chargers" however you pay for them. Same thing with train stations.
    I think that is just the city environment where you pay for the air and water.
    Whether any hotels out in the 'burbs have free Level 2 chargers you can just swoop into an open lot and use I admit I haven't deeply investigated, I rarely stay in hotels near my home, lol.
    Absolutely true. It's kinda like what they said about nuclear plants, "too cheap to meter". It's not worth the hassle of dealing with something that would bring in so little revenue.
    The charger at my doctor's office and all the chargers at Audubon sanctuaries in MA all something like 25 cent a kWh or so.
    How do you pay for them? That's the problem.
    The idea of requiring free gasoline along with free charging is interesting. Normally laws are passed to solve a problem. I'm wondering what problem free charging is causing? Maybe it's because Tesla didn't move their headquarters to North
    Carolina???

    Laws made by your local Republicans are generally designed to "solve" made-up problems that Fox News et al have propagandized all the credulous stupos into believing; like that leftists have secretly made it so there are thousands of totally free public chargers across the state giving out millions of YOUR TAX DOLLARS in electricity every day to the wealthy EV-drivng "parasites at the top", while meanwhile the dirty poors and blacks "parasites at the bottom" rob them from below with SSI and Section 8.
    That's no lie. I love all the free charging at the government's expense. They actually take my charging costs off my electric bill. Isn't that swell?
    It doesn't generally tend to occur to the Fox News fanclub that if there were actually so much free shit on offer anywhere America would likely be a much different place than it is.
    "Fox"... heh, heh, heh. He said "Fox"... heh, heh, heh...

    --

    Ricky, don't be silly

    we don't buy EV Teslas, since no fast chargers on-the-go and energy costs doubled recently
    so it makes on sense to buy Tesla
    and charge it the whole day

    There is no solution to the problem of scarcity of EV-chargers since
    it's all about logistics and time spent at EV-chargers

    Your Tesla spam , makes us sick

    ----+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Not interested
    Tesla is down and may collapse within 12 months due to general global crisis

    I buy Twitter.. was an old marketing fake ( I can afford to buy Twitter)
    \
    But life is Brutal and full of Zasadzkas
    But life is always for real

    so stop your day dreaming

    We don't buy Teslas, since it makes no sense to spend months at EV-chargers

    I think I understand what you are saying, but it's hard to get through your broken English. What is your first language?

    But yes, I agree that BEVs are great. Thanks for the thumbs up!

    Thanks on the bump for my referral code.

    --

    Rick C.

    +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to bitrex on Sun Jul 17 18:04:31 2022
    On 7/17/2022 3:45 PM, bitrex wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 4:28 PM, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/17/2022 12:10 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:45:43 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 11:28:50 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash >>>>>
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/


    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a
    subsidy.
    Yes, to be fair. There should be free gasoline station dispensing one drop >>>> of gasoline per minute next to it. No more and no less.

    Actually, should be 1 gallon (70,000 drops) per hour or around 20 drops per >>> second. We need a federal law: equal right to free gasoline with free
    electricity.

    So, it takes an *hour* to get enough of a charge to travel 20-30 miles?

    I.e., in our case, our average rate of travel (measured by the car)
    is ~19MPH (we only drive "in town" and, despite 45MPH speed limits,
    there are enough stop lights to keep the average speed that low; I
    wonder what it must be like in a REAL city!).

    And, given the stop-n-go nature of our driving -- plus the fact that
    the ACbrrr has to run even when you're making no forward progress -- our
    "in town" mileage is only around 22MPG (that doubles as soon as we get
    on the highway).

    So, spend an hour charging the vehicle in order to drive it for an hour?
    Seems *insanely* inefficient! We spend ~5 minutes (10 if there's a queue) >> to get ~350 "in town" miles loaded into the tank.

    Most of the energy in the fuel goes to heat the Universe, I'm definitely not paying for gas car driver's free fuel to heat the Universe, any more than my Mom wanted to pay for me leaving the sliding door to the den open in the winter
    when I was a kid..

    Your folks (and their folks before them, etc.) gladly did so.
    And, it was likely a result of that that your standard of living
    wasn't that of The Wild West or Cromagnon man.

    Why not ride a bicycle? Or, walk?! Or, subsistence farm for
    all you need (folks up north surely don't NEED citrus; folks
    south don't NEED apples... why are we transporting all these
    foodstuffs -- BY ANY MEANS -- when we likely have sufficient
    nutrients in walking distance)

    [Ans: because it limits what you can do and, by extension, what
    a society can accomplish]

    Always amusing to watch The Preachy and wonder what other "sins"
    THEY'RE still hiding (eat meat? NOT telecommute? work for a
    company that doesn't contribute to "improving the state of
    the universe"? etc.)

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to amdx on Sun Jul 17 18:08:54 2022
    On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 2:28:50 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
    North Carolina Looks to Remove Public EV Chargers, Probably to the Trash

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40543385/north-carolina-wants-remove-free-public-ev-chargers/

    It's more than spending taxpayer money so those with EVs can have a subsidy.

    The legislation is not to be taken seriously. The nut job sponsors are not North Carolina.

    This one is a real lunatic:

    In late September 2021, it was revealed that Rep. Kidwell's name was among the some 38,000 people whose names appear on a membership roster of the Oath Keepers; a far-right anti-government militia, following a hack of the group's internal data. Rep.
    Kidwell did not comment on whether he is a member of the group or not.[5] However, records show that Kidwell has been on the Oath Keepers' roster since at least 2012.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Kidwell

    This one is senile:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_G._Cleveland#:~:text=George%20Grant%20Cleveland%20(born%20May,the%20United%20States%20Marine%20Corps.

    This one looks to be a career crook from the wiki bio:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Brody#:~:text=Mark%20Allen%20Brody%20(born%20December,and%20Union%20counties)%20since%202013.

    This one is a medically certifiable imbecile- railroad engineer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Moss




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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Fred Bloggs on Sun Jul 17 22:06:01 2022
    On 07/17/2022 07:08 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    This one is a medically certifiable imbecile- railroad engineer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Moss

    He's enough of an imbecile to flip a seat that the Democrats warmed for
    over 20 years.

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  • From Fred Bloggs@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Jul 19 06:00:10 2022
    On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:06:10 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
    On 07/17/2022 07:08 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
    This one is a medically certifiable imbecile- railroad engineer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Moss
    He's enough of an imbecile to flip a seat that the Democrats warmed for
    over 20 years.

    He's what's called a downstream hack. He votes how the local GOP tells him to vote. It's very likely he knows little to nothing about the substantive matter of the big issues. But being a functional imbecile trainable in relatively complex tasks, he can
    probably learn the elements of procedure of lawmaking very well.

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